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Title: Document Recently Found Has Eyewitness Account of Jesus Performing Miracle (Hoax)
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URL Source: http://guardianlv.com/2014/10/docum ... t-of-jesus-performing-miracle/
Published: Oct 17, 2014
Author: Kimberly Ruble
Post Date: 2014-10-17 22:53:49 by A K A Stone
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Comments: 96
In Rome, a document recently found has an eyewitness account of Jesus performing a miracle. An Italian professional was examining the paper written in the first century by the Roman historian Marcus Paterculus. It has only been recently found inside the annals of the Vatican and on it there was written what appears to be the very first eyewitness account ever documented of one of the miracles performed by Jesus. The author told of a scene that he supposedly observed, in which a prophet who he named Isous de Nazarenus, revived a baby who had been stillborn and gave him back to his mother.
Historian Ignazio Perrucci was employed by authorities of the Vatican in 2012 to go through and analyze over 6,000 antique documents that had been found in massive archive crypts. Perrucci had already been excited when he detected that the writer of the text was the celebrated Roman historian Paterculus, but he was totally shocked after he read the content of the document.
Professor Perrucci discovered the text in the collections of the Vatican, while he was looking through a packet of personal letters and other minor documents that dated back to the Roman period. The writing, when looked at as a complete narrative tells of the writer’s departing journey from Parthia to Rome, which happened in 31 AD. It was recorded on four pieces of parchment. He speaks of various events happening during his journey, like an intense sandstorm in Mesopotamia and when he visits a temple in Melitta which is now called Mdina in modern day Malta.
Yet the piece of text that really got the historian’s attention was when he read about an event occurring in the town of Sebaste. That would be close to the city of Nablus in the modern day, which is in the West Bank. The writer talked about the coming of a great leader into the city with his assembly of disciples. He also had many followers and this meant that a lot of the lower class people from nearby villages were gathering around the group. Paterculus stated that the great man’s name was Isous de Nazarenus, which was a Greco Latin translation of Jesus’ Hebrew name, Yeshua haNotzri.
The document stated that when he entered the town, it was written that Jesus had gone to the home of a woman by the name of Elisheba. She had just had a stillborn baby. Jesus reportedly picked up the dead infant and said a prayer in Aramaic. The writer stated that it was “immensus”, which meant that it was unintelligible. Next, right in front of the crown, to their wonder and astonishment, the baby returned to life crying and fidgeting like a vigorous newborn.
Marcus Paterculus, was a Roman officer of Campanian heritage, and it appears that he saw Jesus as some sort of great man who could perform miracles. He did not appear to associate him with the Christian idea of him being the Messiah.
There have been numerous tests and examinations done in the past few weeks to try and determine the manuscripts authenticity. The make-up of the parchment and the ink used to write on it, the literary panache and even the handwriting have been cautiously inspected and are believed to legitimate. The dating investigation also showed that the parchment on which the text was penned, did date from the 1st century, precisely from between 20-40 AD.
This text written by an author, who has always been known for his dependability, has brought a new viewpoint on the life of Jesus of Nazareth. An official translation of the manuscript is planned to be released and made available online in numerous different languages over the next couple of months. However, the effect of the discovery has already been felt in the scientific community. Numerous researchers believe this to be one of the greatest developments ever found toward the study of the life of Jesus, while many others think it is nothing but a fraud and have uttered doubts about the conclusions of all the tests and want many more done before they declare this to be any sign of that Jesus really lived. They do not trust the document.
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#16. To: pinguinite (#0)
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Well, satire or not, the theological model I subscribe to does not mean Jesus never lived and performed miracles. There may well have been a man named Jesus (or whatever the ancient version of his name was as it certainly wouldn't have been spelled in our present day alphabet), walking the earth, performing miracles and spreading a message of good will, and upsetting the establishment in the process. Supernatural events (aka miracles) can and do occur. The issue I have with Christianity is only that A) Reincarnation does occur, in almost certain contradiction of Hebrews 9:27. B) The bible, therefore, cannot be the "Word of God". At least in the sense of perfect divine inspiration. The original message could have been divinely true but then corrupted as passed from that point into written form (i.e. present day bible). C) In my personal view, because we are souls born in the spirit world that can and do exist independently of our human bodies, we are not *primarily* human beings. Our human identity is only a secondary identity. Because of that, the core of Christian theology, which holds that Jesus took human form to indentify with us, and died as one of us, for the salvation of our non-human souls, breaks down. That because some souls never incarnate, and others incarnate from time to time as non-humans, on alien worlds. IOW, our human identity is merely incidental. That being the case, a human sacrifice (Jesus dying on the cross for the salvation of us "humans") no longer makes sense. Again, that's my personal view. I'm sure there are others who do believe in reincarnation but also subscribe to that element of Christian theology. I understand the Gnostic Christians of the first few centuries AD did subscribe to reincarnation until Constantine declared it a heresy (for the purposes of political control of the masses). There is much is the gospels I do agree with. The golden rule for one, and that love is the greatest commandment (though not a commandment, per se). While the theological reasons for the death of Jesus I find erroneous, the message behind the story of his sacrifice is correct -- namely that we are all loved enormously, far more than we can humanly comprehend. Though in my view, the love is greater than that portrayed by Christian theology because I say we are never overtly judged or condemned to hell for all eternity. There will be judgement, but we will judge ourselves, and judge soundly, without the distraction of our human mind, and lovingly encouraged to grow and do better next time. Whether a soul can condemn itself to annihilation, I do not know, but free will is perfect in the spirit world. This theological model is, in my view, superior because we are loved more perfectly. God never gives up on us, as opposed to giving up on an unrepentant sinner when he dies, young or old. All of us are here because we chose to be here, knowing in advance (at the subconsciously/spiritual level) what our lives would be like, so life is in fact, fair. None of us suffers pain without a reason. Life has a real, practical purpose, and that is for us to grow and advance spiritually. In short, there are far more sound answers with this model than with the Christian model. But back on the subject of Jesus performing miracles, it's very possible. Souls do have that capability. The stronger, more advanced the souls, the more powerful, though most of us walking the earth are pretty weak (or we wouldn't be here). Best...
Did you obtain your understanding of the life between life from personal hypnosis or a trained Newton hypnosis? How different are Newton's beliefs and methods to those practiced by Hollywood actress Shirley MacLaine? I read some of Newton's website. Frankly it is nothing new from the New Age era of the 70s and 80s. What he has done was marry the beliefs of human reincarnation, New Age mysticism and use hypnosis as a method to access past experiences. Again frankly not new as mediums have existed since the beginning of civilization. I also offer a concern of hypnosis. People voluntarily submit to hypnosis to stop smoking, lose weight etc. In such cases a person is willingly allowing someone to alter their behavior or thoughts whether it be to not pick up a pack of smokes or not eat that donut at midnight. Aren't you concerned someone you don't know is "getting inside" your head and has you in a vulnerable suggestive state? The testimonials of those who were personally under Newton for hypnosis or one of his many assistants boast similar or completely identical experiences and understanding. This might shock some but it is most obvious as those who are hypnotized not to smoke have similar testimonials. Why? The suggestive nature of hypnosis. This is akin to brain washing and very cultic. Also, what evidence can you provide the canonical scriptures are not the Word of God. You used "cannot be" which is an assertion and not based on evidence.
No. I'm not particularly familiar with Shirley MacLaine's beliefs. My take is that Newton has not "married beliefs". What I like about his approach is that he has taken more of the scientific avenue. He has mentioned in interviews how he had purposely avoided conferences, books and outside information about the subject of reincarnation and such so as to not be biased. His effort was to restrict all his learning from his clients, and querying them in open ended fashion, not asking yes/no questions of what they see, which explicitly plants images in their minds but rather questions such as "what do you see?" He further claims he began his career as an atheist, but was brought kicking and screaming to the prospect of reincarnation by what his clients have told him. He claims that a very convincing factor in upholding the credibility of his findings is the consistency of the things his thousands of clients have told him over the years, regardless of their cultural or (conscious) religious beliefs. Could Newton be a fraud? Maybe, but if he is, then in my view he's an excellent one for coming up with a portrait of a spirit world that answers just about every challenging question about who and what we are and why we are here, and does so better than Christianity does. And two: if he is a fraud, there's about no web sites out I've found that discredit him in any credible way. My understanding is that hypnosis cannot make someone do something that they are not ultimately willing to do, like jump off a cliff. A hypnotist cannot force someone to be hypnotized. A hypnotist is only a guide such that any success with it is due to the ability of the person being hypnotized. Hollywood has embellished this with vampire movies and such which has put some misinformation out to the public, but I understand that is fiction. Having said that, I have seen TV programs in which a self-proclaimed hypnotist can supposedly hypnotise people instantly and make them do crazy things. I'm not sure if that could be real or just staged, but it's certainly different from what is practised therapeutically. Well, if Hebrews 9:27 can be taken to only mean that reincarnation does NOT occur, and reincarnation in reality DOES occur, then I consider that evidence that the bible cannot be the infallible "Word of God". That is a logical proof. Would you not agree? But perhaps Hebrews 9:27 doesn't quite say that, or perhaps reincarnation does not occur. If either of those are the case, then the bible could still be the "Word of God". I'm of the mind, however, that the passage is indisputably saying we get one life. I'm also of the mind that reincarnation is a real phenomenon, ergo.... Of course it seems apparent on it's face that reincarnation would undermine the core of biblical teaching... i.e. what I already posted above, so it's not just this single verse. Where is the proof that the bible IS the "Word of God?" You've mentioned before evidence in the way of fulfilled prophecies, but ultimately, can we base a faith on something because one ancient text corroborates another ancient text? How much can we ultimately know about how much or little one writer knew of another writer? And in any event, does true faith come from the academic knowledge in one's head, or from the heart?
Newton in his videos and books states people attain the past and present soul world via hypnosis by Newton himself or a trained hypnotist. Am I to conclude you believe his beliefs and others based on testimony of others and not your own experiences?
That is not a correct conclusion. First, according to his books, Newton's "beliefs" stem from the things his clients have told him while under hypnosis. His first 2 books are written as "case studies" in which he has transcripts of discussions he's had with his clients while they are hypnotised. His approach is very scientific and that's one of the things I really like about him. His books are not simply musings about life that came to him while meditating on a mountaintop or whatever. But to your question, no, I've not been hypnotized myself. Still I do have my own experiences and observations with life in general, and Michael Newton's findings do the best job I've ever found of explaining them, and does so better that Christian theology ever has. That is why I am compelled to subscribe to it.
Ping, can you clarify? "Explaining" what "better than Christian theology ever has "?
Under Newton's model, we have no conflict with the theory of evolution. Life can exist all through the universe, even intelligent life, and there's no issue about our importance or spiritual value above that of animals. So earth need not be the "center of the universe", so to speak. The "wrath of God" becomes non-existent. Fear goes away. The loved ones that have died before us are never, ever gone forever. Condemnation vanishes. We all have complete free will, but at the same time, we have a highly valued incentive to progress forward on our spiritual path. Contrary to what mom said, life IS in fact, very fair. No one is on earth who didn't choose to be here. We never have enemies, only friends that get really, really mad at us for a while. Everything just works like a smoothly oiled machine. Everything. I mean, if God had a choice in how to set up the universe and spirit world, why *WOULDN'T* he have chosen this model? How's that in a nutshell?
Newton's Model seem to be quite liberal, allowing for a myriad of possibility, running atethetical to the Bible. Coincidence? It's only "conflict" seems to be in abiding in any definitive set of values, mores, rules, or law. The "wrath of God" becomes non-existent. Fear goes away. The loved ones that have died before us are never, ever gone forever. Condemnation vanishes. Please don't take this personally -- I'd admire your candor and honesty. But IF Satan were to write his Bible, he would preface with the above. Fear of the Lord is beginning of ALL wisdom. We all have complete free will, but at the same time, we have a highly valued incentive to progress forward on our spiritual path. I agree. But one must be careful with what direction our will takes us. 13 “Enter by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and there are many who go in by it. 14 Because[a] narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it." ~ Matthew 7:13-14 NKJV Contrary to what mom said, life IS in fact, very fair. No one is on earth who didn't choose to be here. We never have enemies, only friends that get really, really mad at us for a while. Lol -- I agree with Mom. Life isn't "fair," but then no one ever promised that it would be "fair." We are entitled to neither fairness, happiness, nor riches. Our minds, our bodies, and spirits are challenged in this world. Strangely, those in this world who find it their personal candy store may find their spirit sorely lacking in seeking God. To dismiss and find irrelevant God's voice is potentially a curse and fatal in attaining next life. Matthew 19:24: "And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God." As to lacking "enemies"? Come on, Ping. You can't be that naive or idealistic. Everything just works like a smoothly oiled machine. Everything. I mean, if God had a choice in how to set up the universe and spirit world, why *WOULDN'T* he have chosen this model? How's that in a nutshell? Nice nutshell. Wish I could reciprocate :-( We may not have chosen to be here, but God did. For Hisd reason and purpose. And God DID have a choice in exactly how this Universe works -- He created it, remember? :-) HIS, our world was designed to challenge the spirit of His Creation: MAN. To separate the wheat from the chaff; the good from evil; the humble from the vain; the loyal from disloyal; the wise from the foolish; the Godly from un-Godly; and to those those who persevere from those who surrender to the whims of flesh and weakness of spirit, THEY are rewarded most.
You may be right. But that doesn't mean you are. We are here for a purpose not understood. Not clear, but understood and very clear in the Newton model. One area where the Newton model scores higher on the logic test.
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#20. To: A K A Stone (#16)
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#21. To: Pinguinite, A K A Stone, Don, liberator, out damned spot (#20)
#22. To: redleghunter (#21)
Did you obtain your understanding of the life between life from personal hypnosis or a trained Newton hypnosis?
How different are Newton's beliefs and methods to those practiced by Hollywood actress Shirley MacLaine?
I read some of Newton's website. Frankly it is nothing new from the New Age era of the 70s and 80s. What he has done was marry the beliefs of human reincarnation, New Age mysticism and use hypnosis as a method to access past experiences.
I also offer a concern of hypnosis. People voluntarily submit to hypnosis to stop smoking, lose weight etc. In such cases a person is willingly allowing someone to alter their behavior or thoughts whether it be to not pick up a pack of smokes or not eat that donut at midnight. Aren't you concerned someone you don't know is "getting inside" your head and has you in a vulnerable suggestive state?
Also, what evidence can you provide the canonical scriptures are not the Word of God. You used "cannot be" which is an assertion and not based on evidence.
#27. To: Pinguinite (#22)
#36. To: redleghunter (#27)
Newton in his videos and books states people attain the past and present soul world via hypnosis by Newton himself or a trained hypnotist. Am I to conclude you believe his beliefs and others based on testimony of others and not your own experiences?
#56. To: Pinguinite, redleghunter (#36)
Michael Newton's findings do the best job I've ever found of explaining them, and does so better that Christian theology ever has.
#66. To: Liberator (#56)
Ping, can you clarify? "Explaining" what "better than Christian theology ever has "?
#73. To: Pinguinite (#66)
Under Newton's model, we have no conflict with the theory of evolution. Life can exist all through the universe, even intelligent life, and there's no issue about our importance or spiritual value above that of animals. So earth need not be the "center of the universe", so to speak.
#82. To: Liberator (#73)
Please don't take this personally -- I'd admire your candor and honesty. But IF Satan were to write his Bible, he would preface with the above. Fear of the Lord is beginning of ALL wisdom.
We may not have chosen to be here, but God did. For Hisd reason and purpose. And God DID have a choice in exactly how this Universe works -- He created it, remember? :-)
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