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Title: War Games
Source: Chick Publications
URL Source: http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/1090/1090_01.asp
Published: Jan 9, 2014
Author: Jack Chick
Post Date: 2014-01-09 16:31:15 by redleghunter
Keywords: None
Views: 45253
Comments: 75


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#1. To: redleghunter (#0)

Please explain the holiness of the "Holy Bible" or any other "Christian" document. Thank you in advance.

buckeroo  posted on  2014-01-09   22:58:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: buckeroo (#1)

God is HOLY, HOLY, HOLY therefore God's Written Word is HOLY.

5 Trust in the Lord with all your heart, And lean not on your own understanding; 6 In all your ways acknowledge Him, And He shall direct[a] your paths.(Proverbs 3:5-6)

redleghunter  posted on  2014-01-09   23:51:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: redleghunter (#2)

Who says "God's Word" is Holy?

buckeroo  posted on  2014-01-10   8:11:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: buckeroo (#3)

www.biblegateway.com/vers...-James-Version-KJV-Bible/

5 Trust in the Lord with all your heart, And lean not on your own understanding; 6 In all your ways acknowledge Him, And He shall direct[a] your paths.(Proverbs 3:5-6)

redleghunter  posted on  2014-01-15   1:04:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: buckeroo (#3)

God tells us His word is holy. The Holy Bible tells us He is Holy. The millions of People who have known God tells us His word is Holy. The millions of people who today know God witness that His word is Holy. There is a great list of witnesses who say His word is holy.

Don  posted on  2014-01-15   22:28:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: redleghunter (#4)

www.biblegateway.com/vers...-James-Version-KJV-Bible/

What does an Internet hotlink have to do with "God's Word" being Holy? Your post is a joke, correct? Rhetorically, it does not answer my question at all.

buckeroo  posted on  2014-01-16   21:18:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Don (#5)

God tells us His word is holy.

Cool. Why can't I hear God telling me this secret, since you say, "God tells us His word is holy." Just asking a simple question.

The Holy Bible tells us He is Holy.

Cool. If the Holy Bible tells us [me] that He [God] is Holy, who wrote the Holy Bible? Did God [himself] write this document? If so, why isn't there any authentication of God in any point of fact outside of the Holy Bible?

The millions of People who have known God tells us His word is Holy. The millions of people who today know God witness that His word is Holy. There is a great list of witnesses who say His word is holy.

Cool. Where are these "millions" to support your comment because I don't have access to the list that you seem to possess as a "secret." Why do these "millions" have access to secret documents where the rest of us BILLIONS of people have none? Why isn't God revealing himself to all of us?

The Holy Bible tells us He is Holy.

Cool. All religious foundations have a documented word or two, including animism, about the "Word of God." But those other religious beliefs may not use the "Holy Bible" as a reference. In fact, even within the broad Christian perspective, there are about 100 accepted Bibles, dated from the Vulgate. Which one is "Holy?" All of them? If so, am I to read ALL variations of "God's Word" to understand what "Holy" really means?

Why does God obfuscate his own word in so many renderings of the "Holy Bible?" More than that question, why does God deliver his word so mysteriously in about 100 "Holy Bibles" for only selected millions, when in fact there are BILLIONS of People on the planet?

buckeroo  posted on  2014-01-16   21:56:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: buckeroo (#7)

You cannot hear God because you aren't a Christian. You do hear temptations whispering all the time. You just don't think it is anything but your own thoughts.

T suspect you have already heard this; however, God did write the Holy Bible. The Only begotten Son of God came to Earth and lived a part of the New Testament. You already know this.

The millions are the Christians. Just pick out a Christian Church and go in. You'll find your witnesses there. If you were making any sort of effort and wanted to know, this would have already occurred to. Many witnesses have died as martyrs to testify as witnesses. There is a book called A Cloud of Witnesses written many years ago.

Man has written various versions of the Holy Bible. Satan has used people to spread confusion to stop people from arriving at the truth. Even now, if you wanted the truth, God Himself would see that you arrive at truth in your search for Him. There are versions of the Bible that I trust. If you want to know which ones they are, I will tell you.

It isn't God who spreads confusion, it is Satan, the Great Liar and deceiver.

Don  posted on  2014-01-17   12:18:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Don (#8)

If you want to know which ones they are, I will tell you.

I'd like to Know Don. You are a good man.

I trust the KJV. I don't have a Bishops Bible or the Geneva Bible but I have skimmed them a little online and they seem to be "good versions also.

I don't like the NIV. It seems to contradict itself.

A K A Stone  posted on  2014-01-17   12:32:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: A K A Stone (#9)

I have a couple of the Geneva Bible and a reprint of the King James 1611 Bible.

I like the KIng James edited for updating and the New King James, the American Standard and the New American Standard, and I understand the older NIV is good. I understand the English Standard Version is good.

I like the Scoville Study Bible and the James MacArthur Study Bible. The MacArthur Study Bible has good notes from the James MacArthur Commentary on the Holy Bible.

Don  posted on  2014-01-17   18:24:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: buckeroo (#6)

Read the scriptures and the answer is apparent.

5 Trust in the Lord with all your heart, And lean not on your own understanding; 6 In all your ways acknowledge Him, And He shall direct[a] your paths.(Proverbs 3:5-6)

redleghunter  posted on  2014-01-20   3:03:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Don (#10)

I like JMac's study Bibles as well. I have the NKJV (received text) and NASB (critical text) versions on my tablet and mobile. Having a tablet it is easy to add freebies and I was able to get the KJV Schofield bible for a couple of bucks. I also keep a Catholic NABRE and an Orthodox Study Bible on the tablet since we converse often with Catholics and Eastern Orthodox.

If you have a tablet (iPad, Kindle Fire etc) let me know and I can suggest a host of APPs which have several Bible versions for free.

Other commentaries I would recommend having are John Gill's and Matthew Henry. Great commentaries written way before modernism hit.

5 Trust in the Lord with all your heart, And lean not on your own understanding; 6 In all your ways acknowledge Him, And He shall direct[a] your paths.(Proverbs 3:5-6)

redleghunter  posted on  2014-01-21   17:29:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Don (#8)

You cannot hear God because you aren't a Christian. You do hear temptations whispering all the time. You just don't think it is anything but your own thoughts.

I consider myself closer to Christ than so called "Christians." I hear no temptations; you are presumptuous and absurd.

T suspect you have already heard this; however, God did write the Holy Bible. The Only begotten Son of God came to Earth and lived a part of the New Testament. You already know this.

If God wrote the Holy Bible where is he to backup his authorship besides some fragile ignorant old man that penned the Bible based on a hardship case from Israel or other regions local to the customs and social mores of the Jews from 600 BCE?

The millions are the Christians. Just pick out a Christian Church and go in. You'll find your witnesses there. If you were making any sort of effort and wanted to know, this would have already occurred to. Many witnesses have died as martyrs to testify as witnesses. There is a book called A Cloud of Witnesses written many years ago.

BAH!

Man has written various versions of the Holy Bible. Satan has used people to spread confusion to stop people from arriving at the truth. Even now, if you wanted the truth, God Himself would see that you arrive at truth in your search for Him. There are versions of the Bible that I trust. If you want to know which ones they are, I will tell you.

So which version of the Bible did God write? What do you have, some official seal of the Pope or Jimmy Bakker? So many choices out there but I know you have one selected, so which is it?

It isn't God who spreads confusion, it is Satan, the Great Liar and deceiver.

Your borrowed dualism concept from about 2600 years ago from Zoraster is absolute evidence of and about the myth concerning the origin of the "Holy Bible" from the diaspora which began with the 6th century BCE conquest of the ancient Kingdom of Judah by Babylon, the destruction of the First Temple (586 BCE), and the expulsion of the population, as recorded in the Bible.

The Bablonians (Persians) taught the Jews how to write while they were in Babylon. Once they were released as common misfits and no benefit to Babylon, they traveled back to their make-believe nation and made up the myths that you read today in the Old Testament.

buckeroo  posted on  2014-01-21   21:02:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: redleghunter (#11)

The scriptures don't contain "answers."

buckeroo  posted on  2014-01-21   21:03:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: buckeroo (#14)

The Scriptures don't have answers for those who disregard them.

Don  posted on  2014-01-21   22:34:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: buckeroo (#13)

Here is a suggestion. Start using numbers on your paragraphs. It is much easier to answer them one by one.

Don  posted on  2014-01-21   22:36:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: Don (#15)

The scriptures contain "myths."

buckeroo  posted on  2014-01-21   22:45:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Don (#16)

I indented your responses along with italicisation, Don. Your responses are easily identifiable based on any reader's capability to distinguish your pronounced zeal from my responses.

buckeroo  posted on  2014-01-21   22:48:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: buckeroo (#17)

Well, I put you down in the Non-believer's Column some Time ago.

Don  posted on  2014-01-22   0:14:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: buckeroo (#18)

Zeal vs. non zeal ?

Don  posted on  2014-01-22   0:15:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: buckeroo (#13)

How is it you consider yourself closer to God?

It is absurd to think you aren't tempted by sin when ALL of us are.

Where is God? Look up. He doesn't have to prove Himself to you. He has done that already in His Creation, and He did that by sending His only begotten Son to die for His people.

BAH? Are you a fan of Scrooge?

He wrote the original autographs, I.e. The original documents. The boards of people who translated the Hebrew and the Greek and Jewish from the original documents wrote good translations in the dependable versions as no valid mistakes can be detected, at least none that change the meanings of the verses.

The ancient kingdoms knew God. He made Himself known by them. If you read through the Old Testament, you can see that. You say that Israel borrowed from other religions. It is no surprise that other nations knew Jehovah and His ways, or that those kingdoms worshipped Satan. Even Israel went astray from God.

"Their make believe nation?" Why do you hate Israel?

Don  posted on  2014-01-22   0:37:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: Don (#21)

Buckeroo is looking for something like where he can look up and see that the sky is blue. Then he can agree that the sky is blue. In the old days before Columbus. Buckeroo would have been on the forum. If they had them back then. Saying the world is flat. I walk and see that it is flat. He would laugh at and mock at those who said the world was round. But if he looked in scripture like I believe some have said Columbus did. Anyways if he had looked in scripture he would have known that the world was round.

Because as Isiah says in chapter 40 verse 20

It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in:

A K A Stone  posted on  2014-01-22   0:49:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: Don (#19)

Break out of the Jimmy Bakker/Jerry Falwell "Christian" duality mind meld, Don. You present a case of "dualism" wherein there is "Satan" vs. "God" or "Evil" vs. "Good" or "Lie" vs. "Truth" or some other disguised case of dualism. But you never touch on subjects that are "shades of gray" between the diametrically opposite poles of discussion; and this is where your religion enters the picture of interpretation about reality or the real world around us. Your picture of religious interpretation is based on your Sunday School picture wherein you have acquiesed to the mortal man standing behind the podium and interpretating the "Holy Bible" for you.

So, you run around the Internet playing christian evangelist spreading the "good word" because you heard it in a Sunday School presentation candy wrapped as "the good word" when in fact, it is nothing more than a interpretation at your church of worship. And you pay your 20% titheing as if you had a dime in your all-ready empty pockets. And you fill content and fulfilled as practicing as a "Christian."

Unfortunately, you havn't convinced me that you are any closer to "God" than a Jehovah Witness knocking on my front door anxious to give me a copy of the WatchTower; you havn't convinced me that you know anything about "God" any more than a cheap charlatan masked as a snake oil salesman at a Barnum/Bailey Circus Wagon trying to make a buck.

buckeroo  posted on  2014-01-22   20:57:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: Don (#20)

Zeal vs. non zeal ?

Earlier I suggested you maintained a fantastick sort of "pronounced zeal" which should have struck you as an obvious indicator of your patent attempt towards appealing towards some emotional characteristic that you identify with.

As for your dualistic question, you can answer that on your own.

buckeroo  posted on  2014-01-22   21:27:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: buckeroo (#24)

You don't have answers?

Don  posted on  2014-01-24   0:17:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: Don (#25)

You have all the wrong questions, Don.

buckeroo  posted on  2014-01-25   18:26:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: redleghunter (#3)

Who says "God's Word" is Holy?

You claim some sort of paper authority of and about Jesus Christ. You claim expertise of definitive answers about direct questions.

You can not answer my simple question. Why is that?

buckeroo  posted on  2014-01-26   13:30:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: redleghunter (#11) (Edited)

Read the scriptures and the answer is apparent.

As I look over your many posts about your self-acclaimed pedagogical approach concerning evangelical Christian ministerires, I see you can not answer simple questions. Yet, on the Internet, you have admitted to having many educational degrees of study about your faith, thus testifying to your committment of Jesus Christ.

Why can't you answer simple questions? Instead, you reply with some sort of common BS as italized, above.

buckeroo  posted on  2014-01-26   13:51:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: buckeroo (#27)

God said it. He is the best one to know, since He is the center of righteousness and all other attributes of God.

How do you know He isn't, or do you believe it?

Don  posted on  2014-01-26   22:15:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: Don (#29)

God said it. He is the best one to know, since He is the center of righteousness and all other attributes of God.

Please explain how you know that "God said it." Don't you really mean to say, "you believe God said it"; please be precise within your communications skills without offering mere conjecture, speculation and other unsubstantiated ideas.

buckeroo  posted on  2014-01-26   22:27:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: buckeroo (#30) (Edited)

I know it because I know there is a God who is sovereign over His Universe. Anyone who has a relationship with God knows He exists. A child of Satan cannot believe because Satan has a blindfold over his eyes. I suppose you cannot understand this type of evidence, and I should be patient with you. Not only are you blind to God, but you are condemned and your eyes will be opened when you stand before God at His Judgement Seat. The best that any Christian can do for you is pray for you.

Don  posted on  2014-01-27   15:55:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: Don (#31)

I know it because I know there is a God who is sovereign over His Universe.

Don - you have used redundancy and restatement as a method to provide support for your argument; if you allow me to parse your statement, I shall explain "why" ---

I know it

This partial sentence sets the foundation for your approach that you intend to establish ---

because

Sets the framework for supporting data within the context of your earlier foundation; this substructure of the sentence is the declarative or refinement of the conjugative context ---

I know there is a God

Is a restatement of the earlier foundation by mere substitution of "it" with "there is a God"; this is redundant and nothing more than restatement with substitution. You have ineffectively added to anyone's understanding about supporting mechanisms for your presentation. But you don't stop at your own nonsupportive discussion, you struggle by attempting to clarify your brief definition of "God" ---

who is sovereign over His Universe.

This is an unfortunate structural attempt at limiting "God" in the context of "His Universe" because your struggle for clarification actually confuses any reader of your post, i.e. infers other universes; furthermore your point infers that your belief of a "Satan" as the master of his or its own Universe may bridge all of humanity with God's eternal war against Satan with humanity caught in the middle of of "good" vs. "evil" battle which is a dualistic principle that I earlier introduced to you.

The obvious error with your attempt to explain or clarify God's role about the Universe is that you position God as far from being sovereign of or about humanity or the Universe since there is an interactive characteristic that reflects some sort of meaningful conflict between "His Universe" and some other Universe or even many other Universes; this means the conflict may have infinite relationships; which means God does not possess any more sovereignty about the world around us than anyone else, including yourself. In other words, if such conflict is true, you imply God is limited and therefore God does not possess the power that you profess.

I find your first statement to be redundant and revealing of a contradictory nature. For the rest of your post, I shall ignore altogether as you don't have the knowledge that you profess to have; you may believe your knowledge but you can't explain your way out of a wet paper bag to use a borrowed and often overused cliché.

buckeroo  posted on  2014-01-27   21:24:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: buckeroo (#32)

I may well repeat things when you don't seem to be "getting it." To show you again, I do believe that God is the boss in His Universe. " I know it" is a partial statement to you. There is a subject and a verb which makes a complete sentence. If you are referring to "it," there is sufficient information to allow understanding the sentence. What is your educational level? I ask since you want to teach me how to compose a sentence in the English language.

I will forego reading or commenting on the rest of your post since your response is devoid of supporting your stand and is merely an attempt to impress me with your level of nonsense.

Don  posted on  2014-01-27   23:25:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: Don (#33)

I may well repeat things when you don't seem to be "getting it." To show you again, I do believe that God is the boss in His Universe.

Donnie, Donnie, Donnie ... I understand your points; my issue is that you confuse your points to me and all the readership. So, lets parse your statement:

I do believe that God is the boss in His Universe.

What happened to the idea or the concept or the belief or the holy focus of an all powerful God being omnipotent and ever present in all things? Why do you limit the power of God by suggesting your above quote? Don't you see you have hampered your own opinion? This is what I question about you and you can not answer my question because you are so involved with using words words by your fellow trusted "Christian" compadres, you can not snap out of the mind meld.

Spare the viewing audience your own blastphemy by intentionally limiting the power of God.

buckeroo  posted on  2014-01-28   21:38:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: buckeroo (#28)

You do know the difference between presenting an argument based on objective evidence opposed to stating assertions?

If you refuse to examine the Scriptures, then you are not debating said Scriptures but making assertions based on your subjective propaganda.

5 Trust in the Lord with all your heart, And lean not on your own understanding; 6 In all your ways acknowledge Him, And He shall direct[a] your paths.(Proverbs 3:5-6)

redleghunter  posted on  2014-01-31   23:34:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: redleghunter (#35)

You initiated this thread with some cheap "chick" kartoons. I have asked you questions with some historical tidbits about your frequently overused self-aclaimed degrees in Bible study and all you can say is:

You do know the difference between presenting an argument based on objective evidence opposed to stating assertions?

Man, you got balls. And this was YOUR thread. You are worthless to a discussion of and about your own presented material.

buckeroo  posted on  2014-02-01   9:32:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: buckeroo (#36)

Where did I claim I had degrees in theology?

And I stand by my post. You do not present polemical arguments only assertions.

5 Trust in the Lord with all your heart, And lean not on your own understanding; 6 In all your ways acknowledge Him, And He shall direct[a] your paths.(Proverbs 3:5-6)

redleghunter  posted on  2014-02-01   19:58:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: buckeroo (#34)

I will answer this post when you frame it in a manner showing some logic. Try it again.

Don  posted on  2014-02-02   21:25:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: All (#38)

This place has become a ghost town. Has everyone died?

Don  posted on  2014-02-04   17:04:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: Don (#39)

Has everyone died?

Entirely possible......because the target demographic of this forum is: "Old, angry, white guys, who thrive on hatred and personal attacks, do not admit to wearing adult diapers, and haven't been capable of forming an original thought since those bastard dems brought down Nixon.

But I am hopeful that the absence of stone's regulars can be attributed to reduced computer time at the Arkansas nursing homes, and not anyone's actual demise.

Jameson  posted on  2014-02-04   19:23:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: Jameson (#40)

Entirely possible......because the target demographic of this forum is: "Old, angry, white guys, who thrive on hatred and personal attacks, do not admit to wearing adult diapers, and haven't been capable of forming an original thought since those bastard dems brought down Nixon.

What is wrong with white guys. I'm white are you? Just curious.

I could care less about Nixon.

What is old? You know how many years.

A K A Stone  posted on  2014-02-04   19:35:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: redleghunter (#37)

You do not present polemical arguments

Oh sure, Jesus just loves us like a little huggy bear leaving a Chick Tract as you do, everywhere you go. Sorry pal, you lose the debate and emotional appeal.

buckeroo  posted on  2014-02-04   21:53:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: Don (#38)

I will answer this post when you frame it in a manner showing some logic. Try it again.

Nope. As the thread title was created this is serious debate. And you do not understand that your "faith" about myths is killing any interest from political posters, but .....

I just checked this thread "hit counter" and WOW!

buckeroo  posted on  2014-02-04   21:58:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: buckeroo (#43)

Logic, Bucky. Every thread is serious. You simply have to treat it as such.

Don  posted on  2014-02-05   0:08:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: Don (#44)

No one on this thred has presented more objectivie material than myself. Feel free to ESAD as a result of your personal complaint.

buckeroo  posted on  2014-02-05   0:30:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: A K A Stone (#41)

What is wrong with white guys.

Not a thing! I was simply framing the "tea party" and "conservative" majority demographic as being overwhelmingly old, angry and white.

I could care less about Nixon

Yeah, me too - But I actually heard this angry old white guy wearing a VFW hat and suspenders loudly bitching about something or other, who finished his rant with "...since those bastard dems brought down Nixon..."

LOL

What is old? You know how many years.

being old has nothing to do with years.....being old has everything to do with narrow-mindedness.....IMHO

Jameson  posted on  2014-02-05   9:19:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: Don (#39)

Yeah, Stone mentioned this a few months ago. Miss O'l Biff Tannen. Last few weeks of posts from him he was deep in the epistles of Paul.

5 Trust in the Lord with all your heart, And lean not on your own understanding; 6 In all your ways acknowledge Him, And He shall direct[a] your paths.(Proverbs 3:5-6)

redleghunter  posted on  2014-02-05   11:33:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: Jameson (#40)

But I am hopeful that the absence of stone's regulars can be attributed to reduced computer time at the Arkansas nursing homes, and not anyone's actual demise.

I have to say that was funny. I will note having a mother of nursing home age, with the Boomers heading to managed care facilities the demand for WiFi has increased. It better since the mean age of FR posters is about 65.

5 Trust in the Lord with all your heart, And lean not on your own understanding; 6 In all your ways acknowledge Him, And He shall direct[a] your paths.(Proverbs 3:5-6)

redleghunter  posted on  2014-02-05   11:35:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: buckeroo (#42)

Oh sure, Jesus just loves us like a little huggy bear

Well Jesus does love you buckeroo:

John 1:

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

2 The same was in the beginning with God.

3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.

5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.

6 There was a man sent from God, whose name was John.

7 The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe.

8 He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light.

9 That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.

10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.

11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not.

12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

5 Trust in the Lord with all your heart, And lean not on your own understanding; 6 In all your ways acknowledge Him, And He shall direct[a] your paths.(Proverbs 3:5-6)

redleghunter  posted on  2014-02-05   11:39:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: redleghunter (#48)

have to say that was funny.

Thanks! I was going for funny.

I usually go for funny, but most just don't get "me"

Jameson  posted on  2014-02-05   11:49:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#51. To: buckeroo (#43)

I understand that the Evolution vs. Creation debate last night drew millions of viewers. Are you sure that people are totally turned off by religion?

Don  posted on  2014-02-05   20:14:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: Don (#51)

No. Most folks are seeking answers beyond myth, is all. They are tired of the rants in established churches of and about any faith. If there is a God, established man made churches of any faith are unnecessary for most. If you note, there is waning personal attendence across the spectrum of religion for most churches.

buckeroo  posted on  2014-02-05   21:31:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#53. To: redleghunter (#49)

How do you really know that God inspired or wrote that hog swill you posted?

buckeroo  posted on  2014-02-05   21:33:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#54. To: buckeroo (#52)

There is also waning belief in churches and increased weird beliefs in churches as well. That doesn't mean Biblical teaching is myth: It does possibly mean that we are in the last days as given in the Book of Revelation.

Don  posted on  2014-02-05   22:27:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#55. To: Don (#54)

That doesn't mean Biblical teaching is myth ...

The Bible is filled with myths. What you have a problem with is simply explained as that a "myth" diminishes the concept of reality (the truth) but that is not the case. All a "myth" is: is a BIG STORY worth listening to because there are some life experiences from which some essential element can be learned. It is not necessarily substantiated by documented FACT or measurable data or objective proof much less any supporting/substantiated data.

Watch this recent, popular video:

buckeroo  posted on  2014-02-06   20:52:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#56. To: buckeroo (#55)

What was most instructive about Tuesday night's debate between Ken Ham and Bill Nye [watch entire debate here] over the issue of origins was Nye's blanket admission of total, abject ignorance on the most important questions of the evening.

Where did the atoms that made up the Big Bang come from? Nye has no idea. Where did man's consciousness come from? Nye has no idea. How can matter produce life? Nye has absolutely no idea. This surely is all one needs to know to recognize the utter bankruptcy of the theory of evolution.

http://www.freerepublic.com/%5Ehttp://www.renewamerica.com/columns/fischer/140206

A K A Stone  posted on  2014-02-06   23:31:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#57. To: buckeroo (#55)

From the same above source Fossils. Realize that the fossil record is the only tangible, physical evidence for the theory of evolution that exists. The fossil record is it. There is absolutely nothing else Darwinians have they can show you.

As Yale University's Carl Dunbar says, "Fossils provide the only historical, documentary evidence that life has evolved from simpler to more and more complex forms."

But if Darwin's theory is correct – that increasingly complex life forms developed in tiny little incremental and transitional steps – then the fossil record should be littered with an enormous number of transitional fossils.

Darwin himself said, "The number of intermediate and transitional links must have been inconceivably great."

But, sadly for Darwinians, after more than 150 years of digging in dirt all around the world, there are still no transitional fossils at all, not one! The most famous paleontologist in the world, Harvard's Stephen Jay Gould, said, "The extreme rarity of transitional forms in the fossil record persists as the trade secret of paleontology." (Note" "extreme rarity" is Harvard-speak for "nada, zilch, zippo.")

Colin Patterson of the British Museum of Natural History agrees with Gould that "there are no transitional fossils," not even a single one "for which one could make a watertight argument."

In other words, people who study fossils for a living know there are no transitional forms but they don't want you and me to know it, because it might prompt us to stop imbibing the swill of evolution.

Gould developed an absurd theory called "punctuated equilibrium," a theory that evolution happened so fast, in such rapid bursts, that it left no trace in the fossil record. Imagine that: the only evidence he has for his theory is the total absence of any evidence whatsoever! And this guy taught at Harvard!

What the fossil record teaches us, in contrast to the theory of evolution, is that increasingly complex life forms appear fully formed in the fossil record, just as if they were put there by a Creator. This is especially true of what is called the "Pre-Cambrian Explosion," the vast, overwhelming, and quite sudden appearance of complex life forms at the dawn of time. Evolutionists are at a total loss to explain the Pre-Cambrian Explosion.

The biblical record indicates quite clearly that all things, including increasingly complex life forms, came fully formed from the hand of God.

Thus the fossil record is a powerful argument for the existence of a Creator or Intelligent Designer while at the same time being fatal for the theory of evolution.

Creation Science and Intelligent Design theory have an explanation for the fossil record; evolution does not.

A K A Stone  posted on  2014-02-06   23:33:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#58. To: buckeroo, pinguinite (#55)

Then there was this from the same source. Only a FOOL believes evolution is compatible with science or the Bible.

Genes. The only mechanism – don't miss this – the only mechanism evolutionists have to explain the development of increasingly complex life forms is genetic mutation. Mutations alter DNA, and these alterations can be passed on to descendants.

The problem: naturally occurring genetic mutations are invariably harmful if not fatal to the organism. Rather than improve an organism's capacity to survive, they invariably weaken it. That's why the phrase we most often use to refer to genetic mutations is "birth defects."

If scientists are some day able to engineer beneficial genetic mutations in the lab, that will simply prove our point: we told you it takes intelligence and design.

Catch these two quotes. First, evolutionary microbiologist James Shapiro of the University of Chicago: "There are no detailed Darwinian accounts for the evolution of any fundamental biochemical or cellular systems, only a variety of wishful speculations."

And this from University of Bristol scientist Alan Linton: "Throughout 150 years of the science of bacteriology, there is no evidence that one species of bacteria has changed into another. None exists in the literature claiming that one species has been shown to evolve into another." (Note: "none" means "none, nada, zilch, zippo.")

And if it's never been observed in the simplest of all organisms, it shouldn't come as a surprise that it's never been observed with more complex forms. Says Linton, "There is no evidence for evolution throughout the whole array of higher multicellular organisms." (Note: "no evidence" means "no evidence, nada, zilch, zippo.")

So honest Darwinians will tell you that evolution – by which we mean the transition of one species into another – has never, not ever, been observed by anyone at any time. In other words, they believe in something that nobody has ever seen. Hmmm... And they accuse us of a blind leap of faith!

It turns out that creationists are the ones who believe in science. In fact, it's clear that creationists believe in science and evolutionists do not. If they did, they wouldn't be evolutionists, now, would they?

Bottom line: the easiest verse in the Bible to believe is the very first one of all: "In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth."

A K A Stone  posted on  2014-02-06   23:34:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#59. To: A K A Stone (#58)

There are a lot of people who would tell you to prove that first verse.

Don  posted on  2014-02-06   23:50:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#60. To: buckeroo (#55)

I don't see a video; however, I don't concur with your definition of a myth. Changing the meaning of words is a well-known trick of the left.

Don  posted on  2014-02-07   0:26:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#61. To: Don (#59)

There are a lot of people who would tell you to prove that first verse.

I assume you mean Genesis 1:1.

A K A Stone  posted on  2014-02-07   10:00:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#62. To: A K A Stone (#61)

Yes.

Don  posted on  2014-02-07   21:20:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#63. To: Don (#60) (Edited)

I don't concur with your definition of a myth. Changing the meaning of words is a well-known trick of the left.

Earlier, I was attempting to be brief and succinct. Let me help you out with an authoritative definition ...

myth a symbolic narrative, usually of unknown origin and at least partly traditional, that ostensibly relates actual events and that is especially associated with religious belief. It is distinguished from symbolic behaviour (cult, ritual) and symbolic places or objects (temples, icons). Myths are specific accounts of gods or superhuman beings involved in extraordinary events or circumstances in a time that is unspecified but which is understood as existing apart from ordinary human experience. The term mythology denotes both the study of myth and the body of myths belonging to a particular religious tradition.

As with all religious symbolism, there is no attempt to justify mythic narratives or even to render them plausible. Every myth presents itself as an authoritative, factual account, no matter how much the narrated events are at variance with natural law or ordinary experience. By extension from this primary religious meaning, the word myth may also be used more loosely to refer to an ideological belief when that belief is the object of a quasi-religious faith; an example would be the Marxist eschatological myth of the withering away of the state.

While the outline of myths from a past period or from a society other than one’s own can usually be seen quite clearly, to recognize the myths that are dominant in one’s own time and society is always difficult. This is hardly surprising, because a myth has its authority not by proving itself but by presenting itself. In this sense the authority of a myth indeed “goes without saying,” and the myth can be outlined in detail only when its authority is no longer unquestioned but has been rejected or overcome in some manner by another, more comprehensive myth.

The word myth derives from the Greek mythos, which has a range of meanings from “word,” through “saying” and “story,” to “fiction”; the unquestioned validity of mythos can be contrasted with logos, the word whose validity or truth can be argued and demonstrated. Because myths narrate fantastic events with no attempt at proof, it is sometimes assumed that they are simply stories with no factual basis, and the word has become a synonym for falsehood or, at best, misconception. In the study of religion, however, it is important to distinguish between myths and stories that are merely untrue.

The first part of this article discusses the nature, study, functions, cultural impact, and types of myth, taking into account the various approaches to the subject offered by modern branches of knowledge. In the second part, the specialized topic of the role of animals and plants in myth is examined in some detail. The mythologies of specific cultures are covered in the articles Greek religion, Roman religion, and Germanic religion.

Myths are largely cultural in origin and may be emulated by conquered societies. As for the myths presented in the Bible, they aren't of Jewish origin; many of the earliest are borrowed from the Babylonians which are known to be of Aryan origin. As you know the Jews were marched off to Babylon about 600 BCE [the exile]. That is just about the precise time of creation of the early Hebrew "Bible" called the Tanakh. After the wretched Jews were permitted to go back to their desert paradise (circa 570 BCE), they continued their practice of myth development. Of course, almost all the brighter Jews (at that time) refused to leave Babylon.

buckeroo  posted on  2014-02-07   22:07:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#64. To: A K A Stone (#58)

Did you originally author that post or plagiarize it from some obscure Sunday school teacher? Your point is ridiculous in any case.

buckeroo  posted on  2014-02-07   22:26:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#65. To: A K A Stone (#56)

Where did the atoms that made up the Big Bang come from? Nye has no idea.

As always, you are in error. You lack critical thinking capabilities and so your pathetic observation serves little discussion.

Nye says "it is a mystery." This is the same opinion as mine and many people.

buckeroo  posted on  2014-02-07   23:28:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#66. To: A K A Stone (#57)

The biblical record indicates quite clearly that all things, including increasingly complex life forms, came fully formed from the hand of God.

So what have you suggested? All you have performed is some mystical creature called "God" with a "hand" image creating things.

How do you know, "God" has a "hand" ... because you heard some Jew chit-chat to you about some sheep herder screwing with sheep a couple of thousand years ago?

buckeroo  posted on  2014-02-07   23:34:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#67. To: buckeroo (#64)

The source is listed. Pay attention. Read it.

A K A Stone  posted on  2014-02-08   1:20:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#68. To: buckeroo (#66)

Also Nye lied about the fossil record being in some neat order.

A K A Stone  posted on  2014-02-08   1:21:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#69. To: A K A Stone (#67) (Edited)

The source is listed. Pay attention. Read it.

Has anyone called you an absolute idoti? If not, I shall do so.

buckeroo  posted on  2014-02-08   15:53:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#70. To: A K A Stone (#68) (Edited)

You are a dumb fuck. ; just an observation ABOUT your PERSONAL ways and means CALLED COMMENTARY.

buckeroo  posted on  2014-02-08   15:54:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#71. To: buckeroo (#70)

Bucky, you have to learn to curb your temper. High blood pressure is a killer if left untreated.

Don  posted on  2014-02-08   22:14:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#72. To: buckeroo (#63)

You forgot to give a reference for your cut-and-paste. Myths are simply stories made up to explain beliefs and actions. Ok, I did that in one short sentence. Isn't that better?

Don  posted on  2014-02-08   22:18:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#73. To: buckeroo (#55)

I don't see your video.

Don  posted on  2014-02-08   22:20:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#74. To: buckeroo (#45)

What is ESAD?

Don  posted on  2014-02-08   22:21:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#75. To: redleghunter (#47)

Come to think about it, I haven't read anything from Biff lately.

Don  posted on  2014-02-08   22:23:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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