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Title: So What If Trayvon Martin Killed Zimmerman (warning extremely graphic images contained in thread)
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Published: Jul 15, 2013
Author: A K A Stone
Post Date: 2013-07-15 00:33:13 by A K A Stone
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What if the Trayvon Martin had a different ending.
What if Trayvon Martin was going to the store one day. He was going to get some skittles and something to drink. He got some skittles and some Arizona fruit punch. He was walking home and he saw this guy following him. The guy followed him into the dark. Trayvon got scared. Thought a crazy ass cracker was stalking him. So he ran into the dark to hide and watch. The guy was still there walking around. Trayvon fearing for his life attacks Zimmerman and kills him. Zimmerman is found with a gun. If those of us who support the verdict are consistent. Would we have to say Trayvon would have been not guilty as well? I have a bit of mixed feelings on this.
Put it this way. Say Clint Eastwood was going to get something to eat one day. He saw some Mexican looking guy following him. He leads the man following him into the dark then runs and disappears. He then attacks and kills the man following him. Would you cheer?
I know Trayvon isn't Clint Eastwood. Just something to think about.
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Maybe Clint only wanted to know if there was a decent mexican diner in the area and the spic took offense? Then what?
Ever been punched in the nose, Stone? I have. It stuns you. You literally see stars. GZ didn't know his assailant was 17. All he knew was that he was in a vulnerable position and getting his head beat in. The boy should have kept his hands to himself and gone home.
#4. To: Logsplitter (#3)
Ever been punched in the nose, Stone? I have. It stuns you. You literally see stars. GZ didn't know his assailant was 17. All he knew was that he was in a vulnerable position and getting his head beat in. The boy should have kept his hands to himself and gone home.
I agree with you.
Also I've been punched in the nose and i've punched in the nose. I've won more fights then i've lost by a lot. I don't start fights.
#7. To: A K A Stone, Logsplitter (#4)
[Logsplitter] Ever been punched in the nose, Stone? I have. It stuns you. You literally see stars.[A K A Stone] I've been punched in the nose and i've punched in the nose.
Perhaps one of you can explain a point about the Trayvon Martin case evidence. Accept as true that Trayvon bopped Zimmerman in the nose and that Zimmerman suffered a broken nose. Accept that the broken nose bled profusely. Accept that Zimmerman was on his back so gravity took the blood up his nose and he was choking on it and swallowing it. Accept that by some unexplained means, Zimmerman reached his gun, unholstered it, aimed and fired it, killing Trayvon Martin. Accept that Zimmerman climbed on top of Trayvon and spread out Martin's arms, not realizing Martin was dead or dying, as claimed by Zimmerman. When Zimmerman climbed on top of Trayvon with a snootful of blood, why did he not spray or pour blood all over the front of himself and down on Trayvon Martin? I have never heard anyone address this point.
#8. To: nolu chan (#7)
Did you see the picture of dead Trayvon Martin? On the ground with his shoes with no socks on? From the scene. He didn't seem to have much blood on him. I used to watch Dexter but a blood splatter expert I am not.
#9. To: A K A Stone (#8)
I used to watch Dexter but a blood splatter expert I am not.
Your ignorance is cracking me up right now.
#10. To: Fred Mertz, nolu chan (#9)
Do you see much blood on Trayvon?
#12. To: A K A Stone (#10)
I invite you to follow a line of questioning not pursued at trial, indeed, I have not heard it pursued at all. Perhaps my cousin Vinny can ask a question for you to consider.
Following Zimmerman statements and assertions, assume the following to be the gospel truth:
Z encountered TM.TM bopped Z in the nose.
Z suffered a broken nose which bled profusely, as broken noses tend to do.
Z fell to the ground and TM gained the "mounted" position. This was above the hips, in the belly button area. After some sliding about, TM's knees approached Z's armpits.
TM put his hands over Z's nose and mouth. As Z was on his back, the profuse flow of blood followed gravity and flowed up Z's nose. Z was choking on, and swallowing, the blood. This accounts for the scarcity of blood on Z and TM.
Z somehow (not important) reached his weapon, unholstered it, aimed it, and shot TM with the gun in contact with TM's shirt and from 2 to 4 inches from TM's body. The hollow point bullet fragmented, striking TM's heart and lung. It caused very severe internal bleeding resulting in rapid loss of blood pressure and very little external bleeding from the chest wound.
Z did not immediately realize that TM was dead or dying, or even seriously wounded. To ensure his own safely, Z climbed on top of TM and spread out his arms on the ground.
[Vincent Laguardia Gambini] So, the defendant was bleeding profusely up his nose. He had a snootful of blood. Where did the snootful of blood go when Z reversed position and climbed on top of TM? Were the laws of physics suspended in Sanford? Does gravity work differently in Z's gated community?
It's not all over the front of Z and none appears to have landed on TM.
#17. To: nolu chan (#12)
[Vincent Laguardia Gambini] So, the defendant was bleeding profusely up his nose. He had a snootful of blood. Where did the snootful of blood go when Z reversed position and climbed on top of TM? Were the laws of physics suspended in Sanford? Does gravity work differently in Z's gated community?
When I read stuff like this I've got to wonder whether the liberal ass-hat who wrote it would like a practical demonstration. We'll measure how much blood spurts out of his nose after I punch him, determine what role 'gravity' plays in how it spatters, etc etc.
In other news it was raining that night in Sanford and Trayvon Martin was laid out uncovered for almost 30 minutes. Furthermore, as pointed out by the defense expert, Martin's wound seems to have been cleaned up some between the scene and the autopsy table. Couple this with the wet clothes being bagged in plastic and the expectation for useful analysis decreases precipitously.
#20. To: Thunderbird (#17)
In other news it was raining that night in Sanford and Trayvon Martin was laid out uncovered for almost 30 minutes. Furthermore, as pointed out by the defense expert, Martin's wound seems to have been cleaned up some between the scene and the autopsy table. Couple this with the wet clothes being bagged in plastic and the expectation for useful analysis decreases precipitously.
The photograph of Trayvon Martin fails to show the gusher of blood that descended upon him, whether it was such to be useful for analysis or not. Later, its presence could not even be detected by chemical analysis. The blanket that was used to cover Trayvon's body was not recorded into evidence and the donut munchers purportedly do not know what happened to it.
Cleaning up the wounds of Zimmerman is irrelevant. His clothes were photographed while the small lacerations were uncleaned, and the potentially deadly bloody nose was still bloody. They did not find much blood anywhere.
The detectives who detected did not detect blood on Trayvon, the concrete, or the ground. They detected droplets of blood on the clothes of Zimmerman.
This blood not only degraded beyond providing a DNA match (except for droplets on Zimmerman's clothes matched to Zimmerman), it degraded to invisibility and non-detectability by chemical tests.
#21. To: nolu chan (#20)
Pat Buchanan says Zimmerman's butt was wet and that Trayvons knees were wet.
#32. To: A K A Stone (#21)
Pat Buchanan says Zimmerman's butt was wet and that Trayvons knees were wet.
Yes, he did.
[Buchanan] Why was the back of Zimmerman's jacket soaking wet, and the back of Trayvon's dry, if Trayvon was on the bottom? Why were the knees of Trayvon's pants wet, if he was on the bottom?
It is consistent with Zimmerman was on his back and Trayvon in a mounted position. Of course, that does not state that the back of Zimmerman's trousers were soaking wet. It would be consistent with having his legs and butt off the ground, and this position maintained through the gunshot and getting up.
Perhaps problematic is the Zimmerman claim that he was punched and mounted at the "T" and Trayvon's body was about 40 feet from the "T". This travel has been generally attributed to the altercation not being a static one-position fight, but a fluid battle with changing positions relative to each other, during which movement was made away from the "T".
#42. To: nolu chan (#32)
Perhaps problematic is the Zimmerman claim
I'm not saying Zimmerman lied. But say you were attacked completely unjustified. You kill the guy. Would you embellish your story to make sure you didn't get in trouble by maybe saying something like he said he was going to kill you?
#43. To: Pebbles, *Yukon neo-Progressive Vermin* (#42) (Edited)
Pebbles wrote:
Are you having an identity crisis Stone, gender confused?
#44. To: hondo68 (#43)
Is that a tutu? I'm not up on women's fashions.
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