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#1. To: A K A Stone (#0)

So they tried to kill him in the boat......

mcgowanjm  posted on  2013-04-20   8:07:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: All (#1)

by Scott Creighton

As if we needed any further proof that this was a false flag event staged to further reduce our rights and bring on a totalitarian state all the sooner, one of the first stories coming out of the arrest of suspect Dzhokhar Tsarnaev involves an American citizen being stripped of his rights and apparently being treated as an enemy combatant under the provisions set in place by Obama in the NDAA 2012. He is going to be interrogated by a “special team” to determine what exactly?

What we are seeing is the continuation of the psyop in it’s most critical stage, the stage it was created for.

mcgowanjm  posted on  2013-04-20   8:13:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: All (#2)

That official and a second person briefed on the investigation says 19-year-old Dzhokhar Tsarnaev will be questioned by a special interrogation team for high-value suspects. The officials spoke on the condition of anonymity because they weren’t authorized to disclose the information publicly. AP

They are calling this the “public safety exception”. How is taking an American’s rights away from them supposed to be in the interest of the public’s safety I wonder.

They are also bringing in a “special interrogation team” which means the local police and law enforcement won’t have access to him, just their “special” guys. Could those “special guys” be the team from Israel?"

willyloman.wordpress.com/...am-brought-in/#more-24443

mcgowanjm  posted on  2013-04-20   8:13:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: mcgowanjm (#2)

He is going to be interrogated by a “special team” to determine what exactly?

Whether or not he's part of a terrorist cell operating in the Boston area.

Thunderbird  posted on  2013-04-20   8:24:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: All (#2)

Craft International, modeled after Blackwater as an advanced private military training organization, was founded by the late ex-Navy SEAL Sniper Chris Kyle.

Either these serious-looking fellows are big fans of military contractors and want to emulate them, or they're the real deal. In either case, they seem very suspicious to be at the scene of the crime clearly dressed in civilian mission gear.

1.bp.blogspot.com/-YmS9ZJ...1OWUTGGK4/s400/craft1.png

mcgowanjm  posted on  2013-04-20   8:55:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Thunderbird (#4)

Whether or not he's part of a terrorist cell operating in the Boston area.

SO the Reason I asked earlier for a compilation of the number of stings in Boston Metro that the FBI had on going.

GUESS THE DATE!:

When will these words:

FBI Tsarnaev FOIA (un) Redacted Documents

be found in the same sentence.....;}

See FBI mosque Ali Muhamed Blind Sheik CIA Visas Riyadh Salem Informer 93 World Trade Center

for details......

mcgowanjm  posted on  2013-04-20   8:59:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: All (#6)

JUST. Like. This.

#

The Jesse Trentadue Files - Intelwire - EGOPLEX.com intelwire.egoplex.com/trentadueindex.html - Cached - Similar Nov 17, 2005 ... New documents offer details of the FBI's secret Oklahoma City Bombing investigation ... Click here for documents related to Aryan Republican Army and Richard Guthrie. .... This document dealing with BOMBROB, the bank robbery ... " Prior OKBOMB investigation determined that McVeigh had placed a ...

[April 18th 2008] PROOF OF OKC APRIL 19TH 1995 WAS AN FBI ... www.whale.to/b/deagle112.html - Cached Apr 18, 2008 ... "On March 20, 2008, Plaintiff receive from the FBI's Philadelphia Office ... the FBI regarding: Tim McVeigh, Elohim City, the Aryan Republican Army or 'ARA', OKBOMB, BOMBROB, Richard Lee Guthrie and the Mid-West Bank ...

wrote about a strange twist - Mother Jones www.motherjones.com/.../s...-oklahoma-city-bombing?... - Cached BOMBROB subjects [redacted] left [redacted] residence on 4/16/95 en route to ... At that time, some ara suspects lived around Philadelphia, and Pittsburg, Kansas, was ... McVeigh and the ara immediately before the bombing, and that Guthrie himself ... In addition, the memos indicate that the fbi received reports of McVeigh ...

proof of okc april 19th 1995 was an fbi / atf bombing special operation wakeupfromyourslumber.com/node/6486 - Cached Apr 19, 2008 ... PROOF OF OKC APRIL 19TH 1995 WAS AN FBI / ATF BOMBING SPECIAL ... the FBI regarding: Tim McVeigh, Elohim City, the Aryan Republican Army or 'ARA', OKBOMB, BOMBROB, Richard Lee Guthrie and the Mid-West ...

mcgowanjm  posted on  2013-04-20   9:01:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: mcgowanjm (#3)

it's amazing just how completely full of shit you are moron. it's just damned unfortunate they just didn't put a bullet in that prick's head. i would have and then laughed about it.

you're jihad buddy is gonna to die like the scurvy dog he is

calcon  posted on  2013-04-20   9:44:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: mcgowanjm (#3)

let me just add, that his big brother is getting ass raped right now by herd of swine in hell while satan get lubes up for his little brother, who will be joining him soon

very refreshing to see his big brother lying dead and mutilated yesterday, great way to end the week smiling

calcon  posted on  2013-04-20   9:49:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: mcgowanjm (#3)

There's nothing he could tell them that they don't already know.

Logsplitter  posted on  2013-04-20   11:44:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: mcgowanjm (#5)

They're not communicating with other members of their seal team--they're just listening to music on their I-Pods. And the cap with the skull logo? That guy's just a fan of "The Punisher".

Logsplitter  posted on  2013-04-20   11:51:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: mcgowanjm (#7)

Guthrie? Is that the same guy who went by the name Commander Pedro? Got caught in Columbus, Ohio?

Logsplitter  posted on  2013-04-20   11:56:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: A K A Stone (#0)

I heard many times on the news that day that "20 to 30 shots were fired"... LOL!

More like 200.

some text

"If men through fear, fraud or mistake, should in terms renounce and give up any essential natural right, the eternal law of reason and the great end of society, would absolutely vacate such renunciation; the right to freedom being the gift of God Almighty, it is not in the power of Man to alienate this gift, and voluntarily become a slave." Samuel Adams, Rights of the Colonists, 1772

We The People  posted on  2013-04-20   12:29:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Logsplitter (#12)

Guthrie? Is that the same guy who went by the name Commander Pedro? Got caught in Columbus, Ohio?

Let me get familiar with him....again....;}

mcgowanjm  posted on  2013-04-20   12:47:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: All (#14)

theoilage.com/post70136.html#p70136

This behavior is not the behavior of a kid who is in deep trouble and being searched for by the combined efforts of the entire American justice system and online activists like 4Chan and Reddit. Had he done this or been part of an operation, I feel the 19 year old kid would have behaved slightly differently under those circumstances. His life’s pattern did not change after the bombing. That says a lot.

mcgowanjm  posted on  2013-04-20   12:47:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: Logsplitter (#12)

This document dealing with BOMBROB, the bank robbery investigation involving Richard Guthrie, has been significantly redacted. However, it states that "Information has been received through the Southern Poverty Law Center that one [name redacted], aka [name redacted], [redacted] telephone call from Timothy McVeigh, on or about 4/17/1995, two days prior to the OKBOMB attack, when [name redacted], per a source at the SPLC, was in the white supremacist compound at [redacted], OK. [name redacted] allegedly has a lengthy relationship with Timothy McVeigh, one of the two indicted OKBOMB defendants. The source of the SPLC advised that [name redacted] is currently residing with [name redacted] in [redacted], N.C., and plans to leave the U.S. via Mexico in the near future."

a. Richard Guthrie, Jr.

Richard Guthrie was apprehended on January 15, 1996, in Cincinnati, Ohio. He was the first of the ARA members to be arrested. At some point following his arrest, he decided to cooperate with federal authorities in the prosecution of the other bank robbers. He was "debriefed" by federal investigators in March of 1996. He was purportedly offered a plea agreement that would have resulted in a sentence of up to twenty-five years imprisonment. On July 12, 1996, before his guilty plea and a week before he was scheduled to testify against his co-defendant, Peter Langan, Guthrie committed suicide in his jail cell in Covington, Kentucky.

mcgowanjm  posted on  2013-04-20   12:50:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: mcgowanjm (#16)

I googled Langan. He was Com. Pedro.

Logsplitter  posted on  2013-04-20   13:08:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: mcgowanjm (#16)

This cell phone photo allegedly depicts Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, the 19-year-old suspect in the Boston Marathon bombings, in the boat where he was hiding before authorities captured him on Friday night in the backyard of a Watertown, Mass. home. It was posted "as a grab from CBS news." by several Twitter users, according to the Associated Press.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2013-04-20   13:08:59 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: Logsplitter (#17)

I googled Langan. He was Com. Pedro.

Yep. Here to post that....;}

Promotional Video Gives Principles - In a two-hour promotional video made in January 1995 and called “The Armed Struggle Underground,” Langan, calling himself “Commander Pedro,”

“Mid-Western Bank Bandits.” Arrests and Convictions - By late 1995, federal and state authorities will arrest most ARA members; ARA leader Peter Kevin Langan will be convicted on multiple charges of bank robbery, and another ARA leader, Richard Guthrie, will commit suicide in prison after cooperating with authorities.

mcgowanjm  posted on  2013-04-20   16:41:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: Ferret Mike (#18)

GREAT FIND.....;}

And he looks to be in good shape.

The FBI/CIA/NSA wanted him dead.

"Her revelation forced the FBI to post their press release about their extended contact with the boys and it opened up a rather stunning debate, all for the wrong reasons. People were writing that the FBI should have been MORE invasive and thus they could have stopped all of this but what they didn’t acknowledge is the simple fact that the contact may very well have been ongoing… all the way up to the bombing.

4. A father’s anger

That same day the father was interviewed and he said flat out that his sons had been set up by the “secret services” meaning the CIA or the FBI or NSA."

willyloman.wordpress.com/...ooks-that-way/#more-24464

mcgowanjm  posted on  2013-04-20   16:43:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: All (#20)

Russia is forcing the FBI's hand.

mcgowanjm  posted on  2013-04-20   16:47:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: Thunderbird (#4)

Whether or not he's part of a terrorist cell operating in the Boston area.

That would be for a jury to decide. If he is innocent or guilty. Constitutional rights can't be overridden by an act of congress.

As of now I think he is guilty.

I do think the story of him throwing bombs from a carjacked vehicle is suspicious though.

I also think it is suspicious that they said he bragged to someone he carjacked.

Does anyone know who it is that was carjacked. Anyone have a video of that? Or at least several links to where that originated from.

A K A Stone  posted on  2013-04-20   20:24:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: We The People, Ferret Mike (#13)

A K A Stone  posted on  2013-04-20   20:31:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: calcon (#8)

A K A Stone  posted on  2013-04-20   20:36:39 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: mcgowanjm (#20)

Boston Marathon Bomber Dzhokar Tsarnaev attended The Islamic Society of Boston which has links to the Muslim Brotherhood. The Clarion Project reported, via Free Republic:

Dzhokar Tsarnaev, who has been arrested for the terrorist bombings in Boston, attended the Islamic Society of Boston.

Dzhokar Tsarnaev, who has been arrested for the terrorist bombings in Boston, attended the Islamic Society of Boston (ISB) in Cambridge, a mosque with strong Muslim Brotherhood links. The ISB Cultural Center, which is at a separate location, is even run by a group that federal prosecutors said in 2008 “was founded as the overt arm of the Muslim Brotherhood in America.”

An ISB attendee reports last seeing Tsarnaev there during Ramadan last year. It is unclear if his brother, the other bomber, also attended the mosque. The ISB has links to the Muslim Brotherhood, has had radical leadership and promotes anti-Western themes.

For instance, the Islamic Society of Boston recently invited journalist Victoria Brittain to speak at the mosque, who in an article she wrote on MichaelMoore.com wrote that the War on Terror is a “war on Islam” and that Muslims in the West face widespread persecution. In her article, Brittain also criticized British security services who “returned to a post-9/11 stance on overdrive” in the aftermath of the 2005 London subway bombings, referred to as the “7/7" attacks.

ISB teaching is largely based on Islamists like Muslim Brotherhood spiritual leader Yousef al-Qaradawi and Sayyid Qutb, the Brotherhood cleric who influenced Osama Bin Laden.

www.thegatewaypundit.com/...ed-to-muslim-brotherhood/

A K A Stone  posted on  2013-04-20   20:43:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: A K A Stone (#24)

It's too bad this photo leaked out. It's never a pretty sight when the dead -- even the criminal's bodies -- are displayed. However, he got to be a martyr as he would have preferred to be.

I hope his wife and daughter find peace and are able to move foreward in a productive and positive way from all this. So much senseless violence, maiming and death from these pointless acts of terrorism happened that didn't need to be, what a pity.

Both brothers will in the end have gotten what they deserve, but too bad they made the choices they did in life; they could have done so much more had they taken a better path.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2013-04-20   21:39:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: Ferret Mike (#26) (Edited)

A K A Stone  posted on  2013-04-20   21:42:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: A K A Stone (#25)

The Islamic Society of Boston & the Politicians' Red Faces :: Daniel ... www.danielpipes.org/blog/2003/.../the-islamic-society-of-boston-the - Cached - Similar Oct 29, 2003 ... At the groundbreaking in November 2002, local politicians hailed the planned construction of an Islamic Center by the Islamic Society of Boston ...

WAIT FOR THIS:

FBI has had informants in this Society since at least the Start of the War of 9/11......;}

Like I said:

ID ALL FBI Stings in Progress in the Boston Metro Area.

mcgowanjm  posted on  2013-04-21   9:41:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: All (#28)

2. The Blind Sheikh - Peter Lance www.peterlance.com/Peter_Lance/The_Blind_Sheikh.html - Cached - Similar In July 1990, following a similar path to Ali Mohamed, Sheikh Omar Abdel ... In Corrigan's view, the arrival of the blind Sheikh was “a real coup for the local crew ...

3. 9/11's Trainer in Terrorism Was an FBI Informant - Lobster Magazine www.lobster-magazine.co.uk/articles/9-11.htm - Cached - Similar Oct 27, 2006 ... (13) The Al-Kifah Center was headed in 1990 by the blind Egyptian Sheikh Omar Abdel Rahman, who like Ali Mohamed had been admitted to ...

4. After 20 Years in Prison, the 'Blind Sheikh' is Back in the News ...

www.theblaze.com/.../afte...u-need-to-know-about-him/ - Cached Sep 18, 2012 ... The Life and Times of Omar Abdel Rahman, aka The Blind Sheikh .... Shalabi, whose help Ali Mohamed sought before his Afghan war leave, ...

5. How the FBI protected Al Qaeda's 9/11 Hijacking Trainer | Global ... www.globalresearch.ca/how-the-fbi-protected-al-qaeda-s-9-11.../3422 Oct 8, 2006 ... Ali Mohamed. …. trained most of al Qaeda's top leadership ... 1990 by the blind Egyptian Sheikh Omar Abdel Rahman, who like Ali Mohamed ...

6. Omar Abdel-Rahman - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omar_Abdel-Rahman - Cached - Similar Sheikh Omar Abdel-Rahman (Arabic: عمر عبد الرحمن‎, 'Umar 'Abd ar-Raḥman; born 3 May 1938), commonly known in the United States as "The Blind Sheikh", is a blind Egyptian Muslim leader who is ... His sons include Abdullah, Ahmed, Mohammed Omar Abdel-Rahman and Asim .... Omar Ahmad Ali Abdel-Rahman et al.

7. WTC93: 20 Years On - Investigating the Terror www.investigatingtheterro...es/WTC93__20_Years_On.htm - Cached Feb 25, 2013 ... Nonetheless, this relatively ragtag group who were inspired by CIA asset the Blind Sheikh and trained by triple agent Ali Mohamed managed to ...

8. Video: Egypt's Mohamed Morsi tells Wolf Blitzer he wants the Blind ...

shoebat.com/.../video-egy...s-the-blind-sheikh-freed/ - Cached Jan 8, 2013 ... Muslim Brotherhood leader and president of Egypt, Mohamed Morsi, sat down ... Bear in mind that the Blind Sheikh attempted to do what Osama bin Laden ... Morsi's wife – Najla Ali Mahmoud – and Abedin's mother – Saleha ...

9. Context of 'July 1990: 'Blind Sheikh' Enters US Despite Being on ... www.historycommons.org/co...jsp?item=a0790abdulrahman - Cached - Similar It contains events related to the event July 1990: 'Blind Sheikh' Enters US Despite ... One frequent instructor is double agent Ali Mohamed, who is in the US ...

10. Blind Sheikh | The Political Film Blog politicalfilm.wordpress.com/tag/blind-sheikh/ - Cached Feb 27, 2013 ... Ali Mohamed; The Blind Sheikh; Ramzi Yousef; Al-Kifah Mosque (Brooklyn); Visas; Mujahadeen; ISI; Emad Salem. Anyone who gives half a ...

mcgowanjm  posted on  2013-04-21   9:43:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: Ferret Mike (#18)

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/images/tsarnaev-bombing-suspect-cell-phone-photo-in-boat.jpg

The FBI/CIA/NSA HATE that Pic.

Keep running it.....;}

Tamerlan and Dzhokhar Tsarnaev are not the Boston Bombers.

They are like Lee Harvey Oswald.

Why , when we've proved that the FBI, had Fore Knowledge of the 93 WTC Bombing and OKCity Bombing, are people STILL desperate to believe them?

mcgowanjm  posted on  2013-04-21   9:48:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: Ferret Mike (#18)

The FBI/CIA/NSA HATE that Pic.

Keep running it.....;}

Tamerlan and Dzhokhar Tsarnaev are not the Boston Bombers.

They are like Lee Harvey Oswald.

Why , when we've proved that the FBI, had Fore Knowledge of the 93 WTC Bombing and OKCity Bombing, are people STILL desperate to believe them?

mcgowanjm  posted on  2013-04-21   9:48:40 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: A K A Stone, Ferret Mike (#23)

OK, let me get this straight.

The older brother was in custody, in handcuffs, and the younger brother killed him in the carjacked SUV?

We The People  posted on  2013-04-21   10:05:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: We The People (#32)

The older brother was in custody, in handcuffs, and the younger brother killed him in the carjacked SUV?

That is what they are saying. Sounds kind of incredible.

Also who is this guy that the carjacked. Are their and first hand videos of him saying that the "bombers" "bragged" to him about it.

A K A Stone  posted on  2013-04-21   18:44:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: We The People (#32)

A K A Stone  posted on  2013-04-21   19:20:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: mcgowanjm (#31)

Bob Leonard and his family were Boston Marathon veterans and he preferred a spot not too far from the finish line to photograph runners as they concluded their 26.2-mile run. The area was less congested and over the years he learned that the men and women in the lead there usually went on to win.

With his Nikon, Leonard snapped about 10 to 20 photos a minute Monday, capturing group after group of finishing runners and the crowds lining the route.

Three days later, when the FBI released images of the suspects in the Boston Marathon bombing, Leonard used the time stamp shown on them to narrow his search of the hundreds of photos he had taken that day. He realized that he, too, had photos of the faces of the two men authorities were searching for.

He uploaded them to the FBI and Friday morning, he saw his cropped photos all over the morning news.

"That finally gave them a good facial picture," the 58-year-old electrical engineer said. "It was a pretty good breakthrough."

The two men were later identified as brothers, 26-year-old Tamerlan Tsarnaev, who was killed in shootout with police overnight Friday, and 19-year-old Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, distinctive in his backward white baseball cap. The younger man was captured Friday night after a daylong siege of a Boston suburb.

"They actually stood in that corner for quite a bit of time," Leonard of Taunton, Mass., said of the men, just before the younger brother was caught.

After combing the digital images, he was sure he had something the FBI could use. He tried to upload them to an FBI site that it had asked the public to use. Then he called the hotline number and was on hold for about 40 minutes, the response was so overwhelming. He finally got an FBI spokesman, who told him to upload them to another site. Within 20 minutes, someone from the Department of Homeland Security called him back.

"They were on the news ... clear pictures of the two subjects and those were the pictures that I sent in," said Leonard, who started photography as a hobby when his sons played high school sports.

He was not the only picture-taker to help with images of the suspects. Seconds after the bombs exploded, David Green pulled out his smartphone and took a photo of the chaos developing a couple hundred yards in front of him — the smoke, the people running in panic.

The Jacksonville businessman then put his phone back in his pocket and went to help the injured. It wasn't until Thursday, when officials released surveillance video of the two suspects, that Green realized what he had — a picture of Dzhokhar Tsarnaev walking away from the scene.

When Green's photo of one of the Boston bombing suspects fleeing the scene first surfaced, there was considerable doubt as to its authenticity because of the very low resolution of the image, which made the photo appear to be a composite image. When Green later provided the high-resolution frame directly from his cellphone, editors of The Associated Press were able to establish its authenticity based on the improved resolution as well as the time the photo was taken. The AP has established an exclusive arrangement for distribution of the photograph.

Green, back at his home in Florida, wore his yellow and blue Boston Marathon jersey as he talked about the now-famous photo, his finisher's medal from the race propped on a shelf in his home office.

Green, 49, had finished Monday's marathon in 3 hours and 17 minutes, about an hour before the blasts.

After he recovered, he went back to Boylston Street, where the finish line is located, to watch the rest of the race with his friends. He realized his phone was dying, so he went into a nearby store with a recharging station.

About 15 minutes later, he was walking back to his friends when the first bomb went off.

"I thought maybe it was a cannon," Green said. Then the second one exploded as he was walking toward it.

"When I saw it, I pulled out the camera and immediately took that picture," Green said.

He then put it back in his pocket and went to help the injured, including a boy and others who were missing limbs.

"It was like battle — a lot of noise, a lot of smoke, people coming at me in a panic," he said.

A short time later, his friend Jason Lubin texted him and asked if he was OK. He replied with the photograph and a note: "It was just in front of me."

Lubin said Thursday, after the FBI released photos of the two suspects, that he decided to take a closer look at Green's photograph — on the off chance Green had captured anything unusual. He pulled up the photo on his smartphone and zoomed in on the crowd. There in the lower left corner was Dzhokhar Tsarnaev walking around a corner, his backward white baseball cap standing out amid the dozens of panicked people fleeing.

"I literally had to sit down," Lubin said.

Green contacted the FBI, which told him to send them a copy of the photograph.

"He is calmly walking, without panic," Green said of Dzhokhar Tsarnaev.

Leonard also took pictures of the chaotic aftermath, smoke five stories high from the explosions that he said were deafening. He also saw a person who lost a limb before police rushed everyone away from the scene.

"The sense of loss tears your heart apart when you hear the victims' stories," said Leonard, who has lived in Taunton, about 30 miles south of Boston, since 1986 and knows what the race means. "It's just so senseless."

news.yahoo.com/runner-spe...n-suspects-014835588.html

A K A Stone  posted on  2013-04-21   19:24:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: A K A Stone (#35)

This is it.

You think it's the Tsarnaev Bro's, then you think the FBI is good for

9/11 OKBOMB 93 WTC. JFK?

And even after the announced arrest of Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, the remaining survivor of the supposed terrorist bombing duo, we still have:

• No images or video of this person placing any bomb on the ground

• No acknowledgement of the existence of the "Craft" military spooks who all carried large backpacks at the marathon and were found moving away from one of the bombs just minutes before it went off

• No apology from the mainstream media for its week-long rampage against "right-wing extremists" who it vilified as the probable bombers

• No explanation for why it takes thousands of heavily-armed police, armored assault vehicles and federal agents to find and arrest one teenager

• No reply from the FBI on just how much the FBI controlled and manipulated these suspects over the last few years, as has been described by their mother.

• No legal justification for the "lockdown" martial law declaration that has been illegally forced upon the people of Boston

But don't hold your breath on any of this. The last thing the public would ever get in any of this would be real answers.

Learn more: www.naturalnews.com/03999...terror.html#ixzz2R8y3Kvur

mcgowanjm  posted on  2013-04-21   19:34:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: All (#36)

And you can Not tell me why we invaded Iraq.

mcgowanjm  posted on  2013-04-21   19:34:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: A K A Stone, We The People, ALL (#33)

Also who is this guy that the carjacked. Are their and first hand videos of him saying that the "bombers" "bragged" to him about it.

There are quite a few who would like to know who the driver of the Mercedes is, and if this person just might be connected with the bombers in some way....

*****************************

Owner of Mercedes carjacked by Boston jihadist-bombers believes in “coexistence”

Posted on April 20, 2013 by Dr. Eowyn

If you live in a Progressive socialist city like Cambridge, MA, Ann Arbor, MI, Berkeley, CA, or practically any town with a college or university, you’ve seen this holier-than-thou bumper sticker:

Note that the Islamic star-and-crescent is the first symbol in the bumper sticker.

So it’s the height of irony that the Mercedes that was carjacked by Boston Marathon terrorists Tamerlan and Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, after they had killed 26- year-old MIT police officer Sean Collier, has a Coexist bumper sticker. (After bragging to the owner of the Mercedes that they were the Marathon bombers, the Tsarnaev brothers released the driver unharmed.)

Here’s a pic (below) of the car with the Coexist sticker circled in yellow:

Daniel Greenfield of The Sultan Knish is the source of the above pic. Greenfield also points out that Dzhokhar Tsarnaev’s YouTube Channel had three named playlists: “Islam”; “Terrorists”; and “Timur Mucuraev”.

“We Will Dedicate Our Lives to the Jihad” is the Timur Mucuraev song that Dzhokhar Tsarnaev added to his playlist.

Infidels rule the earth/for the faithful life is torture

From above the duty calls you/to fight boldly in the way of Allah

Forget sorrow and take in eternity/The bright road of Jihad waits for you

Paradise’s rivers softly chime/The 72 virgins lovingly whisper"

So much for Coexistence!

~Eowyn

SOURCE

("Do not blame Caesar Obama, blame the people of Rome America who have so enthusiastically acclaimed and adored him and rejoiced in their loss of freedom and danced in his path and given him triumphal processions. Blame the people who hail him when he speaks in the Forum of the new wonderful good society which shall now be Rome's America's, interpreted to mean more money, more ease, more security, and more living fatly at the expense of the industrious."~ Marcus Tullius Cicero)

Murron  posted on  2013-04-21   19:47:29 ET  (2 images) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: Murron (#38)

Interesting. Thanks.

A K A Stone  posted on  2013-04-21   19:50:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: mcgowanjm (#36)

No images or video of this person placing any bomb on the ground

Roll another one, bozo...

Here is a video showing the second bomber carrying a backpack:

Here is a photo of that same backpack next to the 8 year boy, with the second bomber walking away.


It's tax season. This has become one of my favorite quotes over the last few years: Every normal man must be tempted, at times, to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats. -- H. L. Mencken

jwpegler  posted on  2013-04-21   20:01:03 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: jwpegler (#40)

Smoking Drinking Cussing and a little less jesus will get you further along.

You won't have to rely on the State to carry your intel....;}

Today the Washington Post has cobbled together the new official story which focuses nearly entirely on that specific problem because it’s a big, big problem. The FBI has been caught in a lie. And when you lie about the investigation of a deadly terrorist plot after 10 years of CREATING terrorists plots, people get a little upset. And rightly so.

Here's my theory on what actually happened:

The FBI "recruited" the Tsarnaeva brothers years ago as part of their ongoing campaign of staging actual terrorist attacks in the USA as is well documented in the New York Times and elsewhere.

The FBI gave these guys the skills, the plans and the materials to make the "pressure cooker" bombs, then picked the target of the Boston marathon. This tactical-level planning of terrorism by the FBI is not uncommon. As Kurt Nimmo writes on InfoWars:

The FBI is notorious for recruiting and framing terrorist patsies. A report compiled by Mother Jones and the Investigative Reporting Program at the University of California-Berkley found that of the 158 prosecutions carried out on terrorism charges since 9/11, 49 defendants participated in plots that were arranged by FBI agent provocateurs.

"The Craft" operatives were then hired by the government to be on scene and observe the brothers to make sure they placed the backpacks as planned.

The original plan was to then use the explosions to blame "right-wing extremists" by nailing other patsies in the crowd who had already been set up to be present with backpacks. The two brothers would escape blame and be allowed to continue working for the FBI on other terrorism campaigns.

But when the alternative media began circulating suspicious photos of "The Craft" team members and blowing the cover on the whole operation, the FBI suddenly reversed course on Wednesday and retracted its stated arrest of a white suspect, "flipping the script" onto the Tsarnaeva brothers. Knowing they could not sustain the big lie of "right-wing extremists," they decided to sacrifice their two pawns. If they could be killed during a firefight, that would be even better.

One of the Tsarnaeva brothers has already been shot and then run over by a vehicle (almost certainly a government vehicle, although the press ridiculously says his own brother ran over him). The other was captured last night, alive, but it has already been decided this person has no right to any due process and will be tortured and interrogated until he talks.

So the entire theatrical production now moves into Act Two, where any mention of FBI involvement will be memory-holed, and anyone who suggests the FBI might have coached or even trained these two brothers will be labeled a "conspiracy theorist."

Score one for the FBI and its department of terrorism. This should keep the American sheeple compliant and afraid for at least another year or two...

Learn more: http://www.naturalnews.com/03999...terror.html#ixzz2R9UIP7ZW

mcgowanjm  posted on  2013-04-21   21:39:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: mcgowanjm (#41)

A K A Stone  posted on  2013-04-21   21:58:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: A K A Stone (#42)

Yeah Army Navy games.

These two videos are crucial because they are supposedly what put the Tsarnaev brothers on the FBI’s radar in the first place.

Many people, myself included, immediately wondered about why the FBI would claim to have these videos and then not release them to aid the public in identifying the suspects. It made no sense and the claim above from CNN is insultingly stupid.

Turns out there was a reason they didn’t release the videos, they didn’t exist.

mcgowanjm  posted on  2013-04-21   22:14:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: All (#43)

Forget the first story from law enforcement officials that there were two videos which put the brothers there, watching the carnage and planting the bomb. That story is no more…

Now the official story is the guy in the wheel chair, as popular and sympathetic a character as he is, is the one who fingered the brothers while drugged to the gills in a hospital bed.

mcgowanjm  posted on  2013-04-21   22:33:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: mcgowanjm (#44)

Forget the first story from law enforcement officials that there were two videos which put the brothers there, watching the carnage and planting the bomb. That story is no more…

I only heard that from you.

Can you find a video or something credible where I can look if they said that?

A K A Stone  posted on  2013-04-21   22:37:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: All (#44)

And notice how much all those guns/clips helped the Watertown folks keep the State from Unwarranted Search and Seizures....Lulz

We are all Iraqis now folks. Troops are now comfortable moving along our streets pointing high powered fully automatic weapons at civilians just because they dare to look out their windows. And remember, this all happened on the same day the first shots were fired in the Revolutionary War… in the same town as well.

mcgowanjm  posted on  2013-04-21   22:38:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: A K A Stone (#45)

No.

You can tell me how the FBI fingered the Tsarnaev Brothers.

mcgowanjm  posted on  2013-04-21   22:39:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: mcgowanjm (#47)

No.

I can't find it either. I guess it isn't true.

A K A Stone  posted on  2013-04-21   22:40:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: A K A Stone, All (#47)

While still waiting for when you think that pic of Tsarnaev climbing in or out of the boat was made.

mcgowanjm  posted on  2013-04-21   22:40:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: A K A Stone (#48)

I can't find it either. I guess it isn't true.

You can't figure out how the FBI changed it's story on how it fingered the Brothers.

"For several days an unofficial manhunt was underway with thousands on online sleuths pouring over every available image of the race looking for suspicious characters. The feds themselves fed deliberate misinfo to various MSM outlets, implicating the wrong people like the two high school runners who were called “The Bag Men” by a New York paper and of course the now infamous Saudi national.

“Investigators probing the deadly Boston Marathon bombings are circulating photos of two men spotted chatting near the packed finish line, The Post has learned.

In the photos being distributed by law-enforcement officials among themselves, one of the men is carrying a blue duffel bag. The other is wearing a black backpack in the first photo, taken at 10:53 a.m., but it is not visible in the second, taken at 12:30 p.m.” New York Post

Contrary to what a new Washington Post article claims, these false leads didn’t come from the unofficial investigation but rather from “law enforcement insiders” tipping off the major publications like the Times and CNN. They were deliberately given false leads which left the papers with egg on their faces and the netizen investigators chasing down ghosts in blind allies.

But suddenly on Thursday the FBI announced they needed our help to find two guys who came to their attention via two unreleased videos which not only put them on the scene before and after the attacks, but also showed one of them, Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, actually planting the bomb.

“Other footage, still unreleased, shows that the two suspects stayed at the scene to watch the carnage unfold, a federal law enforcement official with knowledge of the investigation told CNN’s Susan Candiotti.”

“When the bombs blow up, when most people are running away and victims were lying on the ground, the two suspects walk away pretty casually,” said the official, who has seen the unreleased video. “They acted differently than everyone else.”

“While video of at least one suspect planting the bomb exists, the FBI had chosen not to release it, according to the official. One reason, according to the official, is that were the media to repeatedly show the suspects leaving the bomb, it might cause some people to overreact if they came into contact with them.” CNN

These two videos are crucial because they are supposedly what put the Tsarnaev brothers on the FBI’s radar in the first place.

Many people, myself included, immediately wondered about why the FBI would claim to have these videos and then not release them to aid the public in identifying the suspects. It made no sense and the claim above from CNN is insultingly stupid.

Turns out there was a reason they didn’t release the videos, they didn’t exist.

As the Washington Post drops the story of the incriminating videos down the memory hole, their new effort published yesterday tries to fill the void as best it can. It is four pages of covering tracks and literally nothing else.

“How federal and local investigators sifted through that ocean of evidence and focused their search on two immigrant brothers is a story of advanced technology and old-fashioned citizen cooperation. It is an object lesson in how hard it is to separate the meaningful from the noise in a world awash with information.” Washington Post

willyloman.wordpress.com/...-is-forgotten/#more-24488

mcgowanjm  posted on  2013-04-21   22:43:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#51. To: All (#50)

In the intensive-care ward, Bauman, who had been near the finish line to see his girlfriend complete Monday’s race, wrote words that would help lead to quick resolution of the bombing that killed three and injured 176 others: “Bag. Saw the guy, looked right at me.”” Washington Post

And there you have it. “Bag. Saw guy. Looked right at me”. Of course, once the FBI got wind of this, it was clear the Tsarnaev brothers did it.

mcgowanjm  posted on  2013-04-21   22:48:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: All (#51)

willyloman.files.wordpres...y-running.jpg?w=480&h=360

mcgowanjm  posted on  2013-04-21   22:49:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#53. To: All (#52) (Edited)

So there were no videos like the officials claimed and they had no images of the brothers either planting bombs or standing around watching the carnage. All of that was a lie. There is no way of understanding what really brought the brothers to the attention of the FBI.

So why did they hold the “presser” and release the images they magically got of the guys who ended up having been on their radar for years? According to the new narrative, they did it to subvert the unofficial investigation. Their own words…

“In addition to being almost universally wrong, the theories developed via social media complicated the official investigation, according to law enforcement officials. Those officials said Saturday that the decision on Thursday to release photos of the two men in baseball caps was meant in part to limit the damage being done to people who were wrongly being targeted as suspects in the news media and on the Internet.” Washington Post

Uh… I thought we just addressed the fact that the two high school runners were wrongly identified by law enforcement officials. So why would this new narrative try to blame that on the unofficial investigators? And if the online investigation was so wildly inaccurate and out of control, why ask for our help?

“That decision, which appeared to be a straightforward request for the public’s help in identifying the two men, turns out to have been a tactic with several purposes.” Washington Post

You’re goddamned right it was a “tactic”… they already knew the names of the Tsarnaev brothers. There was no video of the guys doing jack shit except standing around in front of a restaurant waiting for the FBI’s confidential informant to show up.

mcgowanjm  posted on  2013-04-21   22:50:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#54. To: All (#53)

Police, citizens and technology factor into Boston bombing probe ... www.washingtonpost.com/.....8fb7e977ef71_story_1.html 1 day ago ... In addition to being almost universally wrong, the theories developed via social media complicated the official investigation, according to law ...

mcgowanjm  posted on  2013-04-21   22:52:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#55. To: mcgowanjm (#53)

So there were no videos like the officials claimed

I don't recall them claiming to have a video of him planting the bomb. You made that up didn't you?

A K A Stone  posted on  2013-04-21   22:58:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#56. To: A K A Stone (#55)

There's lots of things folks don't recall.

That's why I'm throwing this up here.

So we can ALL recall together.....8D

It was a tactic to keep the online investigation from continuing to look for the real perps of this mass casualty event.

“At the news conference, FBI Special Agent in Charge Richard DesLauriers sternly asked the public to view only its pictures or risk creating “undue work for vital law enforcement resources.” Washington Post

It was a tactic to create a narrative as to why they were about to submit an entire city to martial law.

mcgowanjm  posted on  2013-04-21   23:02:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#57. To: mcgowanjm (#56)

There's lots of things folks don't recall.

That's why I'm throwing this up here.

So we can ALL recall together.

That is fine and dandy. But documentation helps. You said you can't document that. I can't find anything like that. So color me skeptical of that claim.

Who in the government said that?

A K A Stone  posted on  2013-04-21   23:03:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#58. To: All (#56)

these kids were local and had a great deal of contact with the local field office of the FBI… how the hell did they not recognize them?

Especially after the feds admit they had an ulterior motive for releasing the images on Thursday, the MSM reporters and papers like the Washington Post should have immediately smelled a rat. They knew these kids, they probably had a CI working them. And how they show up as John Doe # 1 and 2 and the Feds pretend not to know who they are? They lie about how they noticed them in the first place and then pretend like that lie never happened? They deliberately fed misinformation to the MSM and then admittedly misdirected even the unofficial online sleuths?

What you are looking at here is not shotty work or the “fog of war” as they like to put it when stories like these are exposed for what they are. This isn’t some bureaucrat covering his ass to protect his pension…

… this is systemic dishonesty and manipulation coming from the leading law enforcement agency in the country.

Ask yourself this: why hasn’t someone been held accountable for the failure to protect those citizens?

mcgowanjm  posted on  2013-04-21   23:04:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#59. To: mcgowanjm (#50)

A K A Stone  posted on  2013-04-22   0:01:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#60. To: All (#0)

A K A Stone  posted on  2013-04-22   0:10:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#61. To: Murron (#38)

Visit NBCNews.com for breaking news, world news, and news about the economy

A K A Stone  posted on  2013-04-22   0:11:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#62. To: mcgowanjm (#36)

"Chilling'' surveillance video from the Boston Marathon attack shows one suspect dropping his backpack and calmly walking away from it before the bomb inside it exploded, Massachusetts Gov. Deval Patrick said on Sunday.

www.mercurynews.com/natio...-suspect-placing-backpack

So is it your position that either the video exists and Gov Deval Patrick is telling the truth? Or Governot Deval Patrick is in on the "conspiracy"?

A K A Stone  posted on  2013-04-22   0:27:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#63. To: A K A Stone (#62)

My position:

Anyone denying these Juveniles a lawyer and their Miranda Rights....

Anyone Not demanding that these two be treated as United States Citizens

is in on the Conspiracy....;}

mcgowanjm  posted on  2013-04-22   7:36:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#64. To: A K A Stone (#62)

I won't be responding to this thread as too many vids are bogging down my computer.....

thanx, McGowanjm

mcgowanjm  posted on  2013-04-22   7:45:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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