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Title: Republicans Join Democrats to Destroy Second Amendment
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URL Source: http://www.infowars.com/republicans ... s-to-destroy-second-amendment/
Published: Dec 26, 2012
Author: Kurt Nimmo
Post Date: 2012-12-26 13:06:02 by Hondo68
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In addition to surrendering to the Democrat instinct to tax Americans into oblivion, Republicans in Congress are prepared to go along with knee-jerk legislation rolling back the Second Amendment in the coming year.
“Put guns on the table. Also, put video games on the table. Put mental health on the table,” Rep. Jack Kingston of Georgia said last week as the Republican leadership signaled it is ready to chip away at the right to own firearms.
Kingston said Republicans are likely to move on more anti-gun legislation after a “grief stage” in response to the Sandy Hook elementary school shooting.
“In the coming days and weeks, we will engage in a meaningful conversation and thoughtful debate about how to change laws and culture that allow violence to grow,” said formerly pro-Second Amendment Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid. “And every idea should be on the table as we discuss how best to do just that.”
Sens. Marco Rubio of Florida and Chuck Grassley of Iowa are ready to trade off the Second Amendment in order to make a political deal with Democrats. “You’ve got to take all these things into consideration,” Grassley said.
Grassley also believes the federal government should legislate on societal issues. He said Congress needs to discuss a culture that “tends to be less civil now than it has been for a long period of time.”
Arguing that Republicans must abandon libertarian principles in order “to remain relevant in a country whose views are changing,” the Associated Press cites a Washington Post/ABC News poll published last week in the wake of the Connecticut shooting that shows 54 percent of Americans surveyed want restrictions placed on the Second Amendment.
For statist Republicans, relevance is all the rage. Following the shooting in Connecticut, former Republican congressman from Florida, Joe Scarborough, easily betrayed the Constitution. “I knew that day that the ideologies of my past career were no longer relevant to the future that I want, that I demand, for my children,” he said.
“The party is at a point where it wants to have those discussions in public, where people feel comfortable differing from what is perceived as the party orthodoxy,” said Republican consultant Dan Hazelwood, revealing the sad fact that Republican fealty to the Second Amendment and thus the Constitution at large is waning.
Retiring Republican Ron Paul responded to this sudden political sea change on the part of his colleagues.
“Predictably, the political left responded to the tragedy with emotional calls for increased gun control. This is understandable, but misguided,” Paul said after the massacre. “The impulse to have government ‘do something’ to protect us in the wake of national tragedies is reflexive and often well intentioned. Many Americans believe that if we simply pass the right laws, future horrors like the Sandy Hook Elementary shooting can be prevented. But this impulse ignores the self evident truth that criminals don’t obey laws. The political right, unfortunately, has fallen into the same trap in its calls for quick legislative solutions to gun violence. If only we put armed police or armed teachers in schools, we’re told, would-be school shooters would be dissuaded or stopped. While I certainly agree that more guns equals less crime and that private gun ownership prevents many shootings. I don’t agree that conservatives and libertarians should view government legislation, especially at the federal level, as the solution to violence.”
Ron Paul criticized reaction to the shooting by the NRA. Following the shooting, NRA boss Wayne LaPierre said the state should respond by placing more armed cops and guards in public education schools.
Paul rightly saw this as an excuse to expand an already bloated police state:
Furthermore, do we really want to live in a world of police checkpoints, surveillance cameras, metal detectors, X-ray scanners, and warrantless physical searches? We see this culture in our airports: witness the shabby spectacle of once proud, happy Americans shuffling through long lines while uniformed TSA agents bark orders. This is the world of government provided “security,” a world far too many Americans now seem to accept or even endorse. School shootings, no matter how horrific, do not justify creating an Orwellian surveillance state in America.
Republicans in Congress will vote with Democrats to further erode the Second Amendment. The establishment is now exploiting the Sandy Hook shooting to accomplish its long-term objective of disarming the American people.
No state can strip its citizens of their natural rights if they are armed and if a large number of them understand the principles behind the Constitution and the real reason for the Second Amendment.
Poster Comment:
Add in the rest of the liberal congress-critters who endorsed John "Trigger Lock" McCain, and Willard "Semiauto Ban" Romney, and some form of so called gun control seems likely to get passed. (1 image)
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#69. To: We The People (#59) (Edited)
LOL! No, I think I'll stay, as long as it pleases me, and make you cry some more. If you're too big a pussy to handle it, use the filter.
Thunderbird prefers to support serial adulterers running for president. As Cain was his "man".
Almost every country in the Middle East is awash in oil, and we have to side with the one that has nothing but joos. Goddamn, that was good thinkin'. Esso posted on 2012-01-13 7:37:56 ET
#70. To: sneakypete (#64)
Libertarians want open borders? Sure of that,are you?
From their platform moron. They like killing babies too.
http://www.lp.org/platform 1.4 Abortion
Recognizing that abortion is a sensitive issue and that people can hold good-faith views on all sides, we believe that government should be kept out of the matter, leaving the question to each person for their conscientious consideration.
3.4 Free Trade and Migration
We support the removal of governmental impediments to free trade. Political freedom and escape from tyranny demand that individuals not be unreasonably constrained by government in the crossing of political boundaries. Economic freedom demands the unrestricted movement of human as well as financial capital across national borders. However, we support control over the entry into our country of foreign nationals who pose a credible threat to security, health or property.
#71. To: Thunderbird, sneakypete (#45)
We support the removal of governmental impediments to free trade. Political freedom and escape from tyranny demand that individuals not be unreasonably constrained by government in the crossing of political boundaries. Economic freedom demands the unrestricted movement of human as well as financial capital across national borders. However, we support control over the entry into our country of foreign nationals who pose a credible threat to security, health or property.
Peter eater thinks this is a quote from the founding fathers.
#72. To: meguro (#66)
I sure am, Weeps.Happy New Year!
Happy New Year to you too, faggot.
Celebrating the Chinese New Year too?
"If men through fear, fraud or mistake, should in terms renounce and give up any essential natural right, the eternal law of reason and the great end of society, would absolutely vacate such renunciation; the right to freedom being the gift of God Almighty, it is not in the power of Man to alienate this gift, and voluntarily become a slave." Samuel Adams, Rights of the Colonists, 1772
#73. To: mininggold, sneakypete (#68) (Edited)
Reading between the lines together a large dose of fantasy is sneaky's specialty, in order to reach his comfort level which is: anyone not agreeing with him is a commie.
Yup, all the crusty old geezer has is his vacuous rhetoric.
#74. To: We The People (#72)
Happy New Year to you too, faggot.Celebrating the Chinese New Year too?
I'm not a cigarette, weeps.
Sure, I'll celebrate it, how about you?
#75. To: meguro (#67)
And yet you can't cite just one instance of where I explicitly stated I support anything remotely resembling a police state.
The other day you said something to the affect that you were happy Obama was running rings around the Republicans.
Everything the usurper does is to advance himself and his police state. Everything.
#76. To: A K A Stone (#75)
The other day you said something to the affect that you were happy Obama was running rings around the Republicans.
Not quite, but sure I hope Obama prevails. Now what's this got to do with a police state?
#77. To: A K A Stone (#75)
Everything the usurper does is to advance himself and his police state. Everything.
Everything you post is retarded... Everything.
#78. To: meguro (#77)
• God was mercifully willing to spare the cities for the sake of a few righteous people, but none lived there. The Bible tells us all the inhabitants were depraved.
• One of the reasons God destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah was because he did not want the Jews to be influenced by this evil. As the Creator of all things, God has the divine right to destroy evil as he sees fit.
• Lot and his family were spared, but his future sons-in-laws were destroyed because they thought Lot was joking about God's wrath. Millions of people today think God and sin are things to joke about. God does exist, and he does punish unrepentant sinners.
• The Bible clearly states that the fire and sulfur, or brimstone, rained down "from the Lord out of the heavens" (Genesis 19:24, NIV), not upward from a volcano. Lot's wife, whose name is not given, became a pillar of salt. Some scholars believe she was covered with molten material. Question for Reflection:
Evil is all around us in today's society, from lying and stealing to pornography, drugs, illicit sex, and violence. God calls us to be holy people set apart, not influenced by our wicked culture. Sin always has consequences. Do you take sin and God's wrath seriously?
#79. To: meguro (#67)
And yet you can't cite just one instance of where I explicitly stated I support anything remotely resembling a police state.
You are just too thick to understand what is obvious to people that aren't drones. I bet you don't "think" Cuba,Laos,VN,The USSR,Eastern Europe,and China were police states either,do you? The good news is you have a solid basis for a fraud suit against every school you ever attended.
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
#80. To: mininggold, meguro (#68)
Reading between the lines together a large dose of fantasy is sneaky's specialty, in order to reach his comfort level which is: anyone not agreeing with him is a commie.
Look at who has came to cover your back,meg!
THERE's a real brain-trust if I have ever seen one!
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
#81. To: A K A Stone (#70)
Libertarians want open borders? Sure of that,are you?
From their platform moron.
Libertarians are free-thinkers. This means they aren't slaves to party doctrine.
You are confusing libertarians with the Dims and the New World Order Party.
They like killing babies too.
And you want to use the force of government to stop them in any and all cases because you think life begins at erection,right?
What will the penalty be for missing the evening prayers once you take over?
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
#82. To: A K A Stone (#71)
We support the removal of governmental impediments to free trade.
And your fascist alleged Republican Party supports strict government control of the market through the Federal Reserve and trade legislation designed to protect large campaign donors and people who control large voting blocks,like unions.
Political freedom and escape from tyranny demand that individuals not be unreasonably constrained by government in the crossing of political boundaries.a
All of which you are in favor of,comrade. You are willing to graciously allow the citizens to have all the rights you think they need,though.
Economic freedom demands the unrestricted movement of human as well as financial capital across national borders.
Which proves that even mostly rational people can have insane moments.
However, we support control over the entry into our country of foreign nationals who pose a credible threat to security, health or property.
That's a pretty broad statement,which can be used to cut off all immigration,depending on who gets to decide what and who is a threat.
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
#83. To: A K A Stone (#71)
Peter eater thinks this is a quote from the founding fathers.
Since you are incapable of thinking,how would you know what or how anybody else thinks?
Hell,you still believe in miracles.
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
#84. To: sneakypete (#83)
Since you are incapable of thinking,how would you know what or how anybody else thinks?
You just said libertarians don't believe in open borders. I just showed you the contrary. Quit whining about it and admit that you are wrong.
#85. To: A K A Stone, sneakypete (#84)
You just said libertarians don't believe in open borders. I just showed you the contrary.
Your link was to the (BIG L) Libertarian party, a subset of (small l) libertarians.
Even in the Libertarian Party there are factions which favor strict borders and deporting invaders. Libertarians don't follow the herd, and that's even more true for the small l, libertarians.
You voted for reconquista Mitt, so you should be happy with Obama since he has the same policies.
"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul
#86. To: sneakypete, mininggold (#80)
Look at who has came to cover your back,meg!THERE's a real brain-trust if I have ever seen one!
Still no examples of where I support a police state?
#87. To: A K A Stone (#78)
Blah, blah, blah, yada, yada, yada..,
#88. To: sneakypete (#79) (Edited)
I bet you don't "think" Cuba,Laos,VN,The USSR,Eastern Europe,and China were police states either,do you?
Losing bet, silly old geezer.
#89. To: A K A Stone (#84)
You just said libertarians don't believe in open borders.
No,I wrote that not all Libertarians believe in open borders. YOU need to quit whining and admit that YOU are wrong.
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
#90. To: sneakypete (#89)
No,I wrote that not all Libertarians believe in open borders. YOU need to quit whining and admit that YOU are wrong.
You used no such qualifier. Here is my quote followed by yours.
"They weren't for open borders like libertarians."
"Libertarians want open borders? Sure of that,are you? "
#91. To: hondo68 (#85)
Even in the Libertarian Party there are factions which favor strict borders and deporting invaders.
What you said is true. I won't argue with you about it.
#92. To: meguro (#86)
Still no examples of where I support a police state?
You voted for Obummer and you voted for the Green Party communist candidate.
You are an admitted leftist.
ALL leftists want a police state.
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
#93. To: meguro (#88)
I bet you don't "think" Cuba,Laos,VN,The USSR,Eastern Europe,and China were police states either,do you?Losing bet, silly old geezer.
Really? Were/are they leftist governments? Were they police states?
Are YOU a leftist?
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
#94. To: A K A Stone (#90)
No,I wrote that not all Libertarians believe in open borders. YOU need to quit whining and admit that YOU are wrong.You used no such qualifier. Here is my quote followed by yours.
"They weren't for open borders like libertarians."
"Libertarians want open borders? Sure of that,are you? "
It isn't obvious to you that was a question to you about all Libertarians being for open borders?
Seriously?
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
#95. To: sneakypete (#92) (Edited)
You voted for Obummer and you voted for the Green Party communist candidate.You are an admitted leftist.
ALL leftists want a police state.
Still can't cite a single instance of anything "police state" I support.
Game, set, match.
Happy New Year, old timer.
#96. To: sneakypete (#93) (Edited)
Really? Were/are they leftist governments? Were they police states?Are YOU a leftist?
Does Sweden have a "leftist" government?
Not even sure how you define it. Seems it's your "catchall" phrase.
Leftist this, leftist that.... yada, yada, yada... zzzzz.
Is supporting gay marriage, the legalization of drugs, the ending of wars, and a woman's right to choose leftist? Is wanting the Bible thumpers out of my life leftist?
Do you consider the neocons, Bushbots, and Bible Thumpers leftist? Are boteye, gomer, packbot, yutard, mudbot, and fire island leftists?
#97. To: meguro (#95)
Still can't cite a single instance of anything "police state" I support.
The Green Party,asshole.
Ralph Nader,asshole
Barry Soetoro 1st term,asshole
Gun Control,asshole
The Civil Wrongs Act of 1964,asshole
Affirmative Action,asshole
Seems like the ONLY time you support individual freedoms are when it comes to individual freedoms for homosexuals,asshole
Quotas,asshole
No bid minority contracts,asshole
And I'd done playing your little game. You admit being a leftist,and you admit to supporting all the above. Even BorisY isn't brain-damaged so badly he can't see the link between leftism and police states,so that means you are ashamed of being a leftist or you wouldn't deny it.
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
#98. To: meguro (#96)
Does Sweden have a "leftist" government?
They did have,but that is changing.
BTW,is there some reason you are refusing to comment on the governments I mentioned,comrade?
Not even sure how you define it.
Another lie.I have defined it several times right here on this thread. Leftism calls for the dominance of the government over the people and the curtailing of individual freedoms. A government where the only real "right" the individuals have are to go along with government dictates or go to prison.
You know who these people and governments are because you admire them.
Do you consider the neocons, Bushbots, and Bible Thumpers leftist?
Absolutely! I've even told them this right here on LF. ON THREADS I KNOW YOU READ.
Are boteye, gomer, packbot, yutard, mudbot, and fire island leftists?
Yes,but most are too stupid to know it. They just blindly follow their party,with practically no thought at all given to where the party is leading them. IF they ever thought about it with a open mind they would realize they have been tricked into putting their loyalty towards their party instead of towards their country,but they are too indoctrinated to even realize the Dims and the Republicans are actually two branches of the same party,and both are working to destroy America as a free country and sovereign nation.
Just like your boys and girls in the Dim and Green Parties.
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
#99. To: sneakypete (#79)
The good news is you have a solid basis for a fraud suit against every school you ever attended.
Now you know that's never gonna happen because he doesn't feel like he's been misled... The self appointed smart are just like that, it's in their nature!!
“We have four boxes with which to defend our freedom: the soap box, the ballot box, the jury box, and the ammunition box.”
#100. To: CZ82 (#99)
Now you know that's never gonna happen because he doesn't feel like he's been misled... The self appointed smart
It's not hard to look smart when you constantly surround yourself with morons.
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
#101. To: sneakypete (#100)
Now you know that's never gonna happen because he doesn't feel like he's been misled... The self appointed smartIt's not hard to look smart when you constantly surround yourself with morons.
That reminds me of the old saying "It's better to remain silent and thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt"...
“We have four boxes with which to defend our freedom: the soap box, the ballot box, the jury box, and the ammunition box.”
#102. To: meguro (#74)
I'm not a cigarette, weeps.
But... I didn't call you a cigarette, I called you a pole climber.
What's wrong? I thought those little pet names were all the rage with you and the rest of the hair pullers? I thought you liked that?
"If men through fear, fraud or mistake, should in terms renounce and give up any essential natural right, the eternal law of reason and the great end of society, would absolutely vacate such renunciation; the right to freedom being the gift of God Almighty, it is not in the power of Man to alienate this gift, and voluntarily become a slave." Samuel Adams, Rights of the Colonists, 1772
#103. To: We The People (#102)
What's wrong? I thought those little pet names were all the rage with you and the rest of the hair pullers? I thought you liked that?
Not really, weeps, but if you get off calling me them, knock yourself out.
#104. To: meguro (#103)
Not really, weeps, but if you get off calling me them, knock yourself out.
Wow. You are seriously dense.
Let me spell this out for you. That little pet name that you call me???... I don't like it. It's childish and quite frankly, petty and stupid. It reminds me of some idiot on another forum that calls himself yukon. I can't have a serious conversation with people who act like that idiot.
I'll make you a deal. You stop and I'll stop.
"If men through fear, fraud or mistake, should in terms renounce and give up any essential natural right, the eternal law of reason and the great end of society, would absolutely vacate such renunciation; the right to freedom being the gift of God Almighty, it is not in the power of Man to alienate this gift, and voluntarily become a slave." Samuel Adams, Rights of the Colonists, 1772
#105. To: We The People (#104) (Edited)
Let me spell this out for you. That little pet name that you call me???... I don't like it. It's childish and quite frankly, petty and stupid. It reminds me of some idiot on another forum that calls himself yukon. I can't have a serious conversation with people who act like that idiot.I'll make you a deal. You stop and I'll stop.
But it's so much easier for me to type, and I'm lazy. :-)
But sure, ok, I'll stop.
BTW, you heard that the aforementioned poster was booted from el Pee?
#106. To: sneakypete (#98) (Edited)
Another lie.I have defined it several times right here on this thread. Leftism calls for the dominance of the government over the people and the curtailing of individual freedoms. A government where the only real "right" the individuals have are to go along with government dictates or go to prison.
I call for the legalization of drugs, gay marriage, a women's right to choose. Plus I want less militarism by the US, starting with ending all the senseless wars and closing Gitmo. Yup, I'm for the curtailing of freedoms, alright.
Sure thing, Arch.
#107. To: sneakypete (#97)
And I'd done playing your little game.
Well good, as you lost long ago.
#108. To: sneakypete (#97)
Gun Control,asshole
Yeah, because I don't like the idea of psychos running around with guns.
The Civil Wrongs Act of 1964,asshole
What's the matter? You don't like a black man sitting next to you on the short bus? Yeah, segregation was such a grand idea. Hey, let's just bring back slavery and public lynchings of blacks!
Affirmative Action,asshole
I already mentioned to do that while it was well-intentioned, Affirmative Action is probably a misguided policy. You conveniently forgot that too, eh?
Quotas,asshole
No bid minority contracts,asshole
I don't recall even discussing either of these issues with you, numbnuts.
#109. To: We The People (#104)
It reminds me of some idiot on another forum that calls himself yukon.
Yu-Tard is no longer on LP. Goldi gave him the permanent boot this time.
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
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