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Title: Gallup poll: 64 percent of Americans want school officials armed to protect children
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URL Source: http://www.naturalnews.com/038430_s ... armed_defense_Gallup_poll.html
Published: Dec 22, 2012
Author: J. D. Heyes
Post Date: 2012-12-22 09:46:43 by Hondo68
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Views: 37904
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(NaturalNews) The Obama administration and its gun-grabbing allies in Congress are planning to exploit the tragic Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting in Newtown, Conn., in a renewed bid to take away guns and gun rights. But in the days following the massacre of 20 first graders and six adults, the Gallup polling firm found that, by overwhelming majorities, most citizens favor decidedly different solutions to prevent further senseless attacks on our nation's schools.
According to the survey, the most popular option chosen by respondents is boosting police presence at schools; 53 percent of respondents said more police would be "very effective" at reducing acts of mass murder, while another 34 percent said it would be "somewhat effective."
In addition to boosting protective measures, Americans also believe that increasing funding and access to mental health services would be an effective deterrent. The Sandy Hook shooter, Adam Lanza, was reportedly afflicted with mental issues; so was the Aurora, Colo., shooter, James Holmes.
Fully half of respondents - 50 percent - said more mental health access and funding would be "very effective" at reducing future violence, with an additional 34 percent saying such measures would be "somewhat effective." Only 14 percent said they believed more funding would not be effective.
Arm the educators
Americans also believe that there is far too much violence depicted on television and in video games to which kids are exposed. 47 percent of respondents said reducing depictions of gun violence in movies, on television and in video games would go a long way towards reducing real-life violence; 31 percent said doing so would be "somewhat effective."
What is especially noteworthy; however, is the number of Americans who believe that arming school personnel would be an effective deterrent; fully 64 percent believe allowing education professionals to be armed would be a "very effective" or "somewhat effective" step.
It's this latter idea that is catching on in a number of public policy and law enforcement circles.
Just days after the Sandy Hook shooting, St. Louis County Police Chief Tom Fitch stated plainly that educators and education professionals should be trained to carry weapons and armed while in school, to protect kids.
"We can talk on the back end of the need for funding of mental illness programs and gun control, but as a law enforcement officer, I'm focused on that five-minute window that it takes for the cops to get there while people are getting killed," he said. "There is somebody out there right now trying to figure out how to do something worse than this guy did, and there is only one way to end a threat, and that's with lethal force."
"We cannot continue to do things as we've always done it, that's why we need to have frank discussion in this country as to where we go from here," he added.
At this point, denial has become our most dangerous enemy
Knee-jerk reactionaries; however, quickly dismissed his suggestion and illogical, unworkable, foolish - you name it - but Fitch, a career law enforcement officer, remained undeterred, mostly because he has yet to hear a better idea.
"How do you think we should respond to that?" he said during an interview on local radio station KMOX, regarding the lag time when shots are first fired to when police arrive. "Nobody has an answer. Nobody has said, 'well, I would do this.' They just say, 'I don't like what you said, it's unacceptable, it's irresponsible, you should be fired.' I've heard all of that. But, nobody has an answer for that critical time period."
He's not alone. Other law enforcement and security experts have similar sentiments.
In an excerpt from a compelling article posted online at PoliceOne.com, featuring a hard-hitting presentation on school security by Lt. Col. Dave Grossman, the solution is laid bare:
The challenge for law enforcement agencies and officers, then, is to overcome not only the attacks taking place in schools, but to first overcome the denial in the minds of mayors, city councils, school administrators, and parents. Grossman said that agencies and officers, although facing an uphill slog against the denial of the general public, must diligently work toward increasing understanding among the sheep that the wolves are coming for their children. Police officers must train and drill with teachers, not only so responding officers are intimately familiar with the facilities, but so that teachers know what they can do in the event of an attack.
Sources:
http://www.gallup.com
http://www.stltoday.com
http://news.stlpublicradio.org
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#2. To: All (#1)
"The only thing that can protect a school from a bad guy with a lobby is a good guy with a lobby."
#3. To: All (#2)
He offered no "major contributions" to the question of what, if anything, should be done to regulate access to combat-styled fire arms, ammunition or high-capacity magazines used in so many mass shootings of late. Nothing. No changes. No additional safety regulations. Not even the minimal, very reasonable gun safety regulations that the vast majority of NRA rank and file members (if not their con-men leadership) are calling for by huge numbers.
Instead, he said, we need to put armed guards in every school in America. Oh, it's also Barack Obama's fault as well, because, says LaPierre, he "zeroed out" money for emergency school security in the last budget.
#4. To: mcgowanjm (#3)
Teachers need guns to protect the kids and themselves. You want them to get shot, before the police show up with GUNS, to stop the assassin?
You must hate teachers and kids.
"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul
#5. To: mcgowanjm (#3)
combat-styled fire arms, ammunition or high-capacity magazines
Those are some of the very items covered by the 2nd Amendment, per the Supreme Court's US v Miller decision. That is, whatever a military militia would be expected to have.
#6. To: Abcdefg (#5)
Those are some of the very items covered by the 2nd Amendment, per the Supreme Court's US v Miller decision. That is, whatever a military militia would be expected to have.
A military style militia is policed regularly by it's officers in order to exclude the crazies.
Almost every country in the Middle East is awash in oil, and we have to side with the one that has nothing but joos. Goddamn, that was good thinkin'. Esso posted on 2012-01-13 7:37:56 ET
#7. To: mininggold, Abcdefg (#6)
militia is policed regularly by it's officers in order to exclude the crazies
King George thought they were crazy too. 
"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul
#8. To: hondo68 (#4)
Teachers need guns to protect the kids and themselves. You want them to get shot, before the police show up with GUNS, to stop the assassin?You must hate teachers and kids.
Armed volunteers are the current proposal by the NRA. A K A vigilantes. I could definitely see you in the Zimmerman role of killing kids with Skittles, hoodies and a 'wrong attitude'.
Almost every country in the Middle East is awash in oil, and we have to side with the one that has nothing but joos. Goddamn, that was good thinkin'. Esso posted on 2012-01-13 7:37:56 ET
#9. To: hondo68 (#4)
You must hate teachers and kids.
He hates the idea that anybody might have the will, the ability and the tools, to tell the government "no more."
He kisses the rings of the elitists, and he believes in the goodness and wisdom of an all-powerful state. The idea that someone would think otherwise, is repugnant to his socialist sensibilities.
Mao Tse-Tung observed that political power comes out of the barrel of a gun. Toejam pushes the agenda of a government with all the power [guns], and the public with none.
He's no more American than Gorbachav.
#10. To: Capitalist Eric, mcgowanjm, mininggold, *The Two Parties ARE the Same* (#9)
Neo-con and Neo-lib are two sides of the same statist coin. They long for global slavery.
Toejam & whinymold are hoping that they'll be the "community organizers" cracking the whip this time.
BWWWWWWWWAAAAAAAAA!
"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul
#11. To: hondo68 (#10) (Edited)
Neo-con and Neo-lib are two sides of the same statist coin. They long for global slavery.Toejam & whinymold are hoping that they'll be the "community organizers" cracking the whip this time.
BWWWWWWWWAAAAAAAAA!
Naah... you just want a return to vigilante justice, where might makes right.
BTW you are sounding more and more like your fellow NRA "organizer", Boris, everyday. Crazy is as crazy does.
Almost every country in the Middle East is awash in oil, and we have to side with the one that has nothing but joos. Goddamn, that was good thinkin'. Esso posted on 2012-01-13 7:37:56 ET
#12. To: hondo68 (#0)
Gallup poll: 64 percent of Americans want school officials armed to protect children
We all know the whores we call politicians are poll-driven creatures.
Wouldn't it be truly hilarious if using the bones of these children as a ladder to climb towards gun bans ended up backfiring on them,and gun laws were taken down as a result?
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
#13. To: Abcdefg (#5)
Those are some of the very items covered by the 2nd Amendment, per the Supreme Court's US v Miller decision.
Those ARE the very weapons the Miller decision stated the 2nd Amendment protected when the SC of 1939 (none of whom had ever spend a single day in uniform) decided the sawn-off shotgun that Miller had been in possession of what "not suitable for military use,therefore it's possession was not protected by the 2nd Amendment."
The irony here being not only had none of the justices ever served or had any idea WHAT was suitable for military use,but that the military had been stocking sawn-off shotguns in their arsenal since before WW-1. The 1897 Winchester was one of them,and the Model 1905 (A-5) Browning were both in the Government arsenal.
Furthermore,the truth is obvious they didn't give a damn about what was legal or not because they decided this matter and found Miller guilty without either he or his counsel being in attendance or even notified of the court date. Which means THEY were breaking the law themselves in order to push a gun ban agenda.
The end result was their ruling only reinforced the idea that weapons suitable for military duty of the type carried by individual infantrymen were the weapons covered,and their use,possession,and ownership could NOT be banned or otherwise restricted. Which means the whole Gun Control Act of 1968 was illegal,and so was ever law since that was piggy-backed on it.
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
#14. To: mininggold (#6)
A military style militia is policed regularly by it's officers in order to exclude the crazies.
No,it's not. That's why it's called a "unorganized militia". They/we don't have to attend any damn meetings.
Don't worry about it,though. You are so obviously looney that if you were ever called up they would send you back home again.
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
#15. To: mininggold (#8)
Armed volunteers are the current proposal by the NRA. A K A vigilantes.
You really do have a deviant mind,don't you?
What's the matter,afraid some murderer is going to get killed before he can murder more innocents?
Or are you just afraid your side has pushed so hard to destroy the country that it has became obvious to so many people that Constitutional Law no longer exists in this country,and the people (Vigilantes in YOUR mind) are going to take it back and start hanging you and the people you vote for?
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
#16. To: hondo68 (#10)
Neo-con and Neo-lib are two sides of the same statist coin.
True enough,and why wouldn't they be? The came from the same families and went to the same schools.
Modern American politicians are no more than carney geeks playing the old shell game to keep the rubes distracted and smiling.
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
#17. To: sneakypete (#14)
No,it's not. That's why it's called a "unorganized militia". They/we don't have to attend any damn meetings.Don't worry about it,though. You are so obviously looney that if you were ever called up they would send you back home again.
Are you going to volunteer to be an armed security guard at your local school?
I think you're the type of guy LaPierre was referring to.. retired military and/or law enforcement. After all, you're pretty handy with a firearm, right?
Would you have been able to stop the shooter in CT?
#18. To: meguro (#17)
Are you going to volunteer to be an armed security guard at your local school?
I would if they would ask me,but that's not likely due to my age.
I think you're the type of guy LaPierre was referring to.. retired military and/or law enforcement. After all, you're pretty handy with a firearm, right?
Yup.
Would you have been able to stop the shooter in CT?
Yes,but unless I was close to the door he shot the window out of and then unlocked it to get in,chances are he would have killed a few of the children before I could have taken him out. Then again,if I had been the one to set up security at the school,the doors would be wired to alarms to let people know about an intruder,and there would have been someone armed in each end of each building near the doors. IF that were the case and he came in the door near me,he would have never gotten to a classroom. I would have been coming right at him going for a headshot,and he would have panicked. Don't forget,these people are cowards. That's why they use guns to go after defenseless children.
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
#19. To: sneakypete (#15) (Edited)
Or are you just afraid your side has pushed so hard to destroy the country that it has became obvious to so many people that Constitutional Law no longer exists in this country,and the people (Vigilantes in YOUR mind) are going to take it back and start hanging you and the people you vote for?
So instead of displaying your lack of an argument, by posting only insults and imaginary tangents, why don't you tell us how armed volunteers AREN'T vigilantes.
Almost every country in the Middle East is awash in oil, and we have to side with the one that has nothing but joos. Goddamn, that was good thinkin'. Esso posted on 2012-01-13 7:37:56 ET
#20. To: mininggold (#19)
So instead of displaying your lack of an argument, by posting only insults and imaginary tangents, why don't you tell us how armed volunteers AREN'T vigilantes.
The same way the pigs aren't vigilantes.
#21. To: sneakypete (#18)
I would if they would ask me,but that's not likely due to my age.
Hopefully anyone with an Aspergers DX is automatically off the list.
Almost every country in the Middle East is awash in oil, and we have to side with the one that has nothing but joos. Goddamn, that was good thinkin'. Esso posted on 2012-01-13 7:37:56 ET
#22. To: A K A Stone (#20)
The same way the pigs aren't vigilantes.
So please explain in detail and with a link, since volunteers are never held to the same standards as paid professionals.
Almost every country in the Middle East is awash in oil, and we have to side with the one that has nothing but joos. Goddamn, that was good thinkin'. Esso posted on 2012-01-13 7:37:56 ET
#23. To: mininggold (#22)
A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.[8]
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sec...nited_States_Constitution
The Congress, whenever two thirds of both Houses shall deem it necessary, shall propose Amendments to this Constitution, or, on the Application of the Legislatures of two thirds of the several States, shall call a Convention for proposing Amendments, which, in either Case, shall be valid to all Intents and Purposes, as Part of this Constitution, when ratified by the Legislatures of three fourths of the several States, or by Conventions in three fourths thereof, as the one or the other Mode of Ratification may be proposed by the Congress; Provided that no Amendment which may be made prior to the Year One thousand eight hundred and eight shall in any Manner affect the first and fourth Clauses in the Ninth Section of the first Article*; and that no State, without its Consent, shall be deprived of its equal Suffrage in the Senate.
law2.umkc.edu/faculty/pro...rials/conlaw/articlev.htm
#24. To: mininggold (#21)
Hopefully anyone with an Aspergers DX is automatically off the list.
http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=33846
#25. To: A K A Stone (#24)
http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=33846
I think that decompensating schizo-affectives should be patrolling our schools with guns.
Almost every country in the Middle East is awash in oil, and we have to side with the one that has nothing but joos. Goddamn, that was good thinkin'. Esso posted on 2012-01-13 7:37:56 ET
#26. To: mininggold (#19)
So instead of displaying your lack of an argument, by posting only insults and imaginary tangents, why don't you tell us how armed volunteers AREN'T vigilantes.
Thanks to your display of ignorance as to the meaning and intent of militias and Vigalentes,you have posed a question impossible to answer. It's like asking "why does apple juice taste different than orange juice? They both come from trees,don't they?
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
#27. To: A K A Stone (#20)
The same way the pigs aren't vigilantes.
That's too subtle. I can guarantee you it went right over her head.
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
#28. To: sneakypete (#27) (Edited)
That's too subtle. I can guarantee you it went right over her head.
Then why can't you explain the difference? Cat got your tongue, or maybe you just can't translate your delusions into plain English.
Almost every country in the Middle East is awash in oil, and we have to side with the one that has nothing but joos. Goddamn, that was good thinkin'. Esso posted on 2012-01-13 7:37:56 ET
#29. To: mininggold (#21) (Edited)
Hopefully anyone with an Aspergers DX is automatically off the list.
ROFLMAO!
Yet I had a top secret crypto security clearance when I was in the army,and have walked into arms rooms and carried out crates of grenades and mines just by asking for them.
Here you are exhibiting your own stupidity by claiming once again that I am stupid or mentally defective.
If I were mentally defective,I would be a Dim or a neo-con,dummy.
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
#30. To: mininggold (#22)
since volunteers are never held to the same standards as paid professionals.
So,PLEASE explain in detail and with a link,where it states volunteers are never held to the same standards as paid professionals.
While you are at it,PLEASE explain with a link,where it states paid professions always have higher qualifications than volunteers.
Thanks.
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
#31. To: sneakypete (#29) (Edited)
ROFLMAO!Yet I had a top secret crypto security clearance when I was in the army,and have walked into arms rooms and carried out crates of grenades and mine just by asking for them.
Here you are exhibiting your own stupidity by claiming once again that I am stupid or mentally defective.
If I were mentally defective,I would be a Dim or a neo-con,dummy.
Every vet has a grandiose war story, the sane ones realize it occurred in the past and will never be repeated.
If you were of sound mind you would realize that your abilities forty years ago have little bearing on your abilities now.
Almost every country in the Middle East is awash in oil, and we have to side with the one that has nothing but joos. Goddamn, that was good thinkin'. Esso posted on 2012-01-13 7:37:56 ET
#32. To: sneakypete (#30)
So,PLEASE explain in detail and with a link,where it states volunteers are never held to the same standards as paid professionals.While you are at it,PLEASE explain with a link,where it states paid professions always have higher qualifications than volunteers.
Thanks.
So volunteers are normally held to the same standards as paid professionals Yeah right.
Please keep your guns away from our schools, since you seem to miss the distinct difference.
Almost every country in the Middle East is awash in oil, and we have to side with the one that has nothing but joos. Goddamn, that was good thinkin'. Esso posted on 2012-01-13 7:37:56 ET
#33. To: mininggold (#28)
Then why can't you explain the difference?
It's not that I can't,it's that YOU are incapable of understanding the difference. Mostly because calling you a idiot would be bragging on you. You just ain't that sharp.
Cat got your tongue,
Oh,yeah.I'm always afraid to speak my mind. Good catch!
or maybe you just can't translate your delusions into plain English.
ROFLMAO! THAT'S rich coming from you!
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
#34. To: mininggold (#31)
Every vet has a grandiose war story,
THAT was a war story?
Do you actually know ANYTHING?
If you were of sound mind you would realize that your abilities forty years ago have little bearing on your abilities now.
Would you want to test this proclamation by running around in a open field and letting me shoot at you?
Or even mo' betta,pick up a weapon and come running at me to see if I could take you out with a head shot?
Enquiring minds,an all dat.
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
#35. To: sneakypete (#33) (Edited)
Instead of your constant dancing around the subject, just spit out the reasons why a volunteer generally is the equivalent to a paid professional. They should be on the tip of your tongue.
Almost every country in the Middle East is awash in oil, and we have to side with the one that has nothing but joos. Goddamn, that was good thinkin'. Esso posted on 2012-01-13 7:37:56 ET
#36. To: mininggold (#35)
just spit out the reasons why a volunteer generally is the equivalent to a paid professional.
Most volunteers WERE paid professionals,dummy!
So whoever votes (D) gets put on the list. Sounds like that might just work.
Not that I disagree with that because I don't,but WHERE did I post that? It certainly wasn't in the post of mine that you were quoting.
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
#37. To: sneakypete (#34)
THAT was a war story?Do you actually know ANYTHING?
If you were of sound mind you would realize that your abilities forty years ago have little bearing on your abilities now.
Would you want to test this proclamation by running around in a open field and letting me shoot at you?
Or even mo' betta,pick up a weapon and come running at me to see if I could take you out with a head shot?
Enquiring minds,an all dat.
You are going off into crazy land now, and it took very stress to get you to that point. Please stay away from our schools.
Almost every country in the Middle East is awash in oil, and we have to side with the one that has nothing but joos. Goddamn, that was good thinkin'. Esso posted on 2012-01-13 7:37:56 ET
#38. To: sneakypete (#36) (Edited)
Your delusions don't make it so.
That last post was an artifact I deleted after I pasted it wrongly. See.... my eye sight isn't like it was 45 years ago only I WILL admit it.
Almost every country in the Middle East is awash in oil, and we have to side with the one that has nothing but joos. Goddamn, that was good thinkin'. Esso posted on 2012-01-13 7:37:56 ET
#39. To: mininggold (#35)
Instead of your constant dancing around the subject, just spit out the reasons why a volunteer generally is the equivalent to a paid professional. They should be on the tip of your tongue.
There is really nothing needed. Just a reminder that everyone has a second amendment right and if you are a teacher and you want to pack heat then you have a pre existing right to do so. No nod needed from the ruling asses.
#40. To: mininggold (#37)
Please stay away from our schools.
Why should he stay away from the schools?
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