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Title: Gallup poll: 64 percent of Americans want school officials armed to protect children
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URL Source: http://www.naturalnews.com/038430_s ... armed_defense_Gallup_poll.html
Published: Dec 22, 2012
Author: J. D. Heyes
Post Date: 2012-12-22 09:46:43 by Hondo68
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Views: 37875
Comments: 63
(NaturalNews) The Obama administration and its gun-grabbing allies in Congress are planning to exploit the tragic Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting in Newtown, Conn., in a renewed bid to take away guns and gun rights. But in the days following the massacre of 20 first graders and six adults, the Gallup polling firm found that, by overwhelming majorities, most citizens favor decidedly different solutions to prevent further senseless attacks on our nation's schools.
According to the survey, the most popular option chosen by respondents is boosting police presence at schools; 53 percent of respondents said more police would be "very effective" at reducing acts of mass murder, while another 34 percent said it would be "somewhat effective."
In addition to boosting protective measures, Americans also believe that increasing funding and access to mental health services would be an effective deterrent. The Sandy Hook shooter, Adam Lanza, was reportedly afflicted with mental issues; so was the Aurora, Colo., shooter, James Holmes.
Fully half of respondents - 50 percent - said more mental health access and funding would be "very effective" at reducing future violence, with an additional 34 percent saying such measures would be "somewhat effective." Only 14 percent said they believed more funding would not be effective.
Arm the educators
Americans also believe that there is far too much violence depicted on television and in video games to which kids are exposed. 47 percent of respondents said reducing depictions of gun violence in movies, on television and in video games would go a long way towards reducing real-life violence; 31 percent said doing so would be "somewhat effective."
What is especially noteworthy; however, is the number of Americans who believe that arming school personnel would be an effective deterrent; fully 64 percent believe allowing education professionals to be armed would be a "very effective" or "somewhat effective" step.
It's this latter idea that is catching on in a number of public policy and law enforcement circles.
Just days after the Sandy Hook shooting, St. Louis County Police Chief Tom Fitch stated plainly that educators and education professionals should be trained to carry weapons and armed while in school, to protect kids.
"We can talk on the back end of the need for funding of mental illness programs and gun control, but as a law enforcement officer, I'm focused on that five-minute window that it takes for the cops to get there while people are getting killed," he said. "There is somebody out there right now trying to figure out how to do something worse than this guy did, and there is only one way to end a threat, and that's with lethal force."
"We cannot continue to do things as we've always done it, that's why we need to have frank discussion in this country as to where we go from here," he added.
At this point, denial has become our most dangerous enemy
Knee-jerk reactionaries; however, quickly dismissed his suggestion and illogical, unworkable, foolish - you name it - but Fitch, a career law enforcement officer, remained undeterred, mostly because he has yet to hear a better idea.
"How do you think we should respond to that?" he said during an interview on local radio station KMOX, regarding the lag time when shots are first fired to when police arrive. "Nobody has an answer. Nobody has said, 'well, I would do this.' They just say, 'I don't like what you said, it's unacceptable, it's irresponsible, you should be fired.' I've heard all of that. But, nobody has an answer for that critical time period."
He's not alone. Other law enforcement and security experts have similar sentiments.
In an excerpt from a compelling article posted online at PoliceOne.com, featuring a hard-hitting presentation on school security by Lt. Col. Dave Grossman, the solution is laid bare:
The challenge for law enforcement agencies and officers, then, is to overcome not only the attacks taking place in schools, but to first overcome the denial in the minds of mayors, city councils, school administrators, and parents. Grossman said that agencies and officers, although facing an uphill slog against the denial of the general public, must diligently work toward increasing understanding among the sheep that the wolves are coming for their children. Police officers must train and drill with teachers, not only so responding officers are intimately familiar with the facilities, but so that teachers know what they can do in the event of an attack.
Sources:
http://www.gallup.com
http://www.stltoday.com
http://news.stlpublicradio.org
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Progressive denial is killing people. Many refuse to admit that guns are how you stop a murdering maniac.
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A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.[8]
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The Congress, whenever two thirds of both Houses shall deem it necessary, shall propose Amendments to this Constitution, or, on the Application of the Legislatures of two thirds of the several States, shall call a Convention for proposing Amendments, which, in either Case, shall be valid to all Intents and Purposes, as Part of this Constitution, when ratified by the Legislatures of three fourths of the several States, or by Conventions in three fourths thereof, as the one or the other Mode of Ratification may be proposed by the Congress; Provided that no Amendment which may be made prior to the Year One thousand eight hundred and eight shall in any Manner affect the first and fourth Clauses in the Ninth Section of the first Article*; and that no State, without its Consent, shall be deprived of its equal Suffrage in the Senate.
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#24. To: mininggold (#21)
Hopefully anyone with an Aspergers DX is automatically off the list.
http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=33846
#25. To: A K A Stone (#24)
http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=33846
I think that decompensating schizo-affectives should be patrolling our schools with guns.
Almost every country in the Middle East is awash in oil, and we have to side with the one that has nothing but joos. Goddamn, that was good thinkin'. Esso posted on 2012-01-13 7:37:56 ET
#26. To: mininggold (#19)
So instead of displaying your lack of an argument, by posting only insults and imaginary tangents, why don't you tell us how armed volunteers AREN'T vigilantes.
Thanks to your display of ignorance as to the meaning and intent of militias and Vigalentes,you have posed a question impossible to answer. It's like asking "why does apple juice taste different than orange juice? They both come from trees,don't they?
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
#27. To: A K A Stone (#20)
The same way the pigs aren't vigilantes.
That's too subtle. I can guarantee you it went right over her head.
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
#28. To: sneakypete (#27) (Edited)
That's too subtle. I can guarantee you it went right over her head.
Then why can't you explain the difference? Cat got your tongue, or maybe you just can't translate your delusions into plain English.
Almost every country in the Middle East is awash in oil, and we have to side with the one that has nothing but joos. Goddamn, that was good thinkin'. Esso posted on 2012-01-13 7:37:56 ET
#29. To: mininggold (#21) (Edited)
Hopefully anyone with an Aspergers DX is automatically off the list.
ROFLMAO!
Yet I had a top secret crypto security clearance when I was in the army,and have walked into arms rooms and carried out crates of grenades and mines just by asking for them.
Here you are exhibiting your own stupidity by claiming once again that I am stupid or mentally defective.
If I were mentally defective,I would be a Dim or a neo-con,dummy.
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
#30. To: mininggold (#22)
since volunteers are never held to the same standards as paid professionals.
So,PLEASE explain in detail and with a link,where it states volunteers are never held to the same standards as paid professionals.
While you are at it,PLEASE explain with a link,where it states paid professions always have higher qualifications than volunteers.
Thanks.
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
#31. To: sneakypete (#29) (Edited)
ROFLMAO!Yet I had a top secret crypto security clearance when I was in the army,and have walked into arms rooms and carried out crates of grenades and mine just by asking for them.
Here you are exhibiting your own stupidity by claiming once again that I am stupid or mentally defective.
If I were mentally defective,I would be a Dim or a neo-con,dummy.
Every vet has a grandiose war story, the sane ones realize it occurred in the past and will never be repeated.
If you were of sound mind you would realize that your abilities forty years ago have little bearing on your abilities now.
Almost every country in the Middle East is awash in oil, and we have to side with the one that has nothing but joos. Goddamn, that was good thinkin'. Esso posted on 2012-01-13 7:37:56 ET
#32. To: sneakypete (#30)
So,PLEASE explain in detail and with a link,where it states volunteers are never held to the same standards as paid professionals.While you are at it,PLEASE explain with a link,where it states paid professions always have higher qualifications than volunteers.
Thanks.
So volunteers are normally held to the same standards as paid professionals Yeah right.
Please keep your guns away from our schools, since you seem to miss the distinct difference.
Almost every country in the Middle East is awash in oil, and we have to side with the one that has nothing but joos. Goddamn, that was good thinkin'. Esso posted on 2012-01-13 7:37:56 ET
#33. To: mininggold (#28)
Then why can't you explain the difference?
It's not that I can't,it's that YOU are incapable of understanding the difference. Mostly because calling you a idiot would be bragging on you. You just ain't that sharp.
Cat got your tongue,
Oh,yeah.I'm always afraid to speak my mind. Good catch!
or maybe you just can't translate your delusions into plain English.
ROFLMAO! THAT'S rich coming from you!
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
#34. To: mininggold (#31)
Every vet has a grandiose war story,
THAT was a war story?
Do you actually know ANYTHING?
If you were of sound mind you would realize that your abilities forty years ago have little bearing on your abilities now.
Would you want to test this proclamation by running around in a open field and letting me shoot at you?
Or even mo' betta,pick up a weapon and come running at me to see if I could take you out with a head shot?
Enquiring minds,an all dat.
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
#35. To: sneakypete (#33) (Edited)
Instead of your constant dancing around the subject, just spit out the reasons why a volunteer generally is the equivalent to a paid professional. They should be on the tip of your tongue.
Almost every country in the Middle East is awash in oil, and we have to side with the one that has nothing but joos. Goddamn, that was good thinkin'. Esso posted on 2012-01-13 7:37:56 ET
#36. To: mininggold (#35)
just spit out the reasons why a volunteer generally is the equivalent to a paid professional.
Most volunteers WERE paid professionals,dummy!
So whoever votes (D) gets put on the list. Sounds like that might just work.
Not that I disagree with that because I don't,but WHERE did I post that? It certainly wasn't in the post of mine that you were quoting.
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
#37. To: sneakypete (#34)
THAT was a war story?Do you actually know ANYTHING?
If you were of sound mind you would realize that your abilities forty years ago have little bearing on your abilities now.
Would you want to test this proclamation by running around in a open field and letting me shoot at you?
Or even mo' betta,pick up a weapon and come running at me to see if I could take you out with a head shot?
Enquiring minds,an all dat.
You are going off into crazy land now, and it took very stress to get you to that point. Please stay away from our schools.
Almost every country in the Middle East is awash in oil, and we have to side with the one that has nothing but joos. Goddamn, that was good thinkin'. Esso posted on 2012-01-13 7:37:56 ET
#38. To: sneakypete (#36) (Edited)
Your delusions don't make it so.
That last post was an artifact I deleted after I pasted it wrongly. See.... my eye sight isn't like it was 45 years ago only I WILL admit it.
Almost every country in the Middle East is awash in oil, and we have to side with the one that has nothing but joos. Goddamn, that was good thinkin'. Esso posted on 2012-01-13 7:37:56 ET
#39. To: mininggold (#35)
Instead of your constant dancing around the subject, just spit out the reasons why a volunteer generally is the equivalent to a paid professional. They should be on the tip of your tongue.
There is really nothing needed. Just a reminder that everyone has a second amendment right and if you are a teacher and you want to pack heat then you have a pre existing right to do so. No nod needed from the ruling asses.
#40. To: mininggold (#37)
Please stay away from our schools.
Why should he stay away from the schools?
#41. To: mininggold (#38)
Please stay out of the voting booth. The school children are depending on it.
#42. To: A K A Stone (#40)
Why should he stay away from the schools?
He can't even handle a disagreement with an old lady without joining you in crazyland, so how can he keep his cool around argumentative students.
Almost every country in the Middle East is awash in oil, and we have to side with the one that has nothing but joos. Goddamn, that was good thinkin'. Esso posted on 2012-01-13 7:37:56 ET
#43. To: mininggold (#42)
He can't even handle a disagreement with an old lady without joining you in crazyland, so how can he keep his cool around argumentative students.
The second amendment is crazyland? You're not a real American.
#44. To: A K A Stone (#41)
Please stay out of the voting booth. The school children are depending on it.
I'll vote anyway I want, and generally the opposite of you if I possibly can do so. Do you really think that you crazyland inhabitants are attracting voters to your cause?
Plus you have said you would get rid of public schools if you could. Maybe you perceive the average fifth grader as being smarter than you and you want to even the odds. Who knows?
Almost every country in the Middle East is awash in oil, and we have to side with the one that has nothing but joos. Goddamn, that was good thinkin'. Esso posted on 2012-01-13 7:37:56 ET
#45. To: A K A Stone (#43) (Edited)
The second amendment is crazyland? You're not a real American.
Read the thread if you can. It has nothing to do with the second amendment.
Almost every country in the Middle East is awash in oil, and we have to side with the one that has nothing but joos. Goddamn, that was good thinkin'. Esso posted on 2012-01-13 7:37:56 ET
#46. To: mininggold (#44)
I'll vote anyway I want, and generally the opposite of you if I possibly can do so. Do you really think that you crazyland inhabitants are attracting voters to your cause?
STAY OUT OF THE VOTING BOOTH! For the children.
#47. To: A K A Stone (#46)
STAY OUT OF THE VOTING BOOTH! For the children.
Why do you hate the rest of the US constitution so much?
Almost every country in the Middle East is awash in oil, and we have to side with the one that has nothing but joos. Goddamn, that was good thinkin'. Esso posted on 2012-01-13 7:37:56 ET
#48. To: mininggold (#45)
ead the thread if you can. It has nothing to do with the second amendment.
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
You want to infringe on the second amendment. If you want to do that you need a 2/3 vote in Senate and Congress followed by 3/4 of the States. Any other way is tyranny.
Why do you support tryanny? Nevermind you are to stupid to answer that.
Just STAY OUT OF THE VOTING BOOTH. The children are depending on it.
#49. To: mininggold (#37)
You are going off into crazy land now, and it took very stress to get you to that point.
It took very stress?
Looks to me like I'm not the one visiting your home town,you are going back to be the prom queen.
Please stay away from our schools.
And the hits just keep coming! First off,I quit high school so I could learn something.Several years later I got both a HS and a 2 year college credit just by taking the tests. I could cut my IQ in half and still be smarter than you.
I tried going back to college after that,but got kicked out after humiliating a professor in class after he got verbal with me. The man was a fool,like most who teach because they are unqualified to do anything else,and teaching history he knew nothing about. I called him on each of his false statements,and gave evidence as to why they were false. He was strongly against the VN war,and even said in class that it wasn't a "real war like WW-2 that I served in". I asked him in open class how much combat he saw in WW-2 while serving in the US Coast Guard in Portsmouth,Virginia,and how this qualified him to speak about "Real wars" when he had never been in one."
At the time I was having to go to the VA hospital every Wednesday afternoon for physical therapy,and being totally lacking in balls he got even with me by changed the test day from Friday to Wednesday,and then gave me a zero each Wednesday and refused to allow me to take makeup tests so he could flunk me.
After that he went to the Dean and said I was speaking to him in a threatening manner in class,flunking out of his class,not attending his classes,and should be dis enrolled.
Then he wrote a formal letter of complaint to the VA showing all my F test results,and claiming I was ripping off the taxpayer by being paid my VA benefits while I was unable to attend classes every day like every other student,and that I had even been dis-enrolled because of my many absences.
When I went to the Dean to protest,he sided with his fellow weasel. Which I guess he pretty much had to do because of the prof having tenure and being afraid of a law suit.
I found out about the letter to the VA when I got a letter from them demanding I pay them back every dime they had given me under the GI bill for that quarter. I ended up losing my disability pay after the VA stopped it in order to recover the money they had given me under the GI Bill.
The fact that I didn't kill that gutless weasel is proof enough that I am not the mental case a mental case like you claims that I am.
So is the fact my ex is running around as free as a bird and not even limping. I even run into her occasionally at the grocery store,and we speak briefly to each other in a civilized tone of voice.
What I am proving here is that you may even be too stupid to be a Dim.
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
#50. To: mininggold (#47)
Why do you hate the rest of the US constitution so much?
Which part is that bag lady?
#51. To: A K A Stone (#48)
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.You want to infringe on the second amendment. If you want to do that you need a 2/3 vote in Senate and Congress followed by 3/4 of the States. Any other way is tyranny.
Why do you support tryanny? Nevermind you are to stupid to answer that.
Just STAY OUT OF THE VOTING BOOTH. The children are depending on it.
Yep the well regulated part of it will flunk you out. Your trip to crazyland everytime someone disagrees with you will get you demoted to camp follower too.
Almost every country in the Middle East is awash in oil, and we have to side with the one that has nothing but joos. Goddamn, that was good thinkin'. Esso posted on 2012-01-13 7:37:56 ET
#52. To: mininggold (#45)
It has nothing to do with the second amendment.
It has EVERYTHING to do with the Second Amendment,you freaking loon! Without the Second Amendment you fascists would have disarmed everybody over 100 years ago,and there would be no armed guards anywhere but around the wealthy.
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
#53. To: sneakypete, Hondo 68 (#52)
It has EVERYTHING to do with the Second Amendment,you freaking loon! Without the Second Amendment you fascists would have disarmed everybody over 100 years ago,and there would be no armed guards anywhere but around the wealthy.
Gun owners need to police themselves as part of being that well regulated militia. As we can see on this and other threads that ain't happening without a fight.
Right now it's turning into thugs with guns.
Almost every country in the Middle East is awash in oil, and we have to side with the one that has nothing but joos. Goddamn, that was good thinkin'. Esso posted on 2012-01-13 7:37:56 ET
#54. To: mininggold (#53)
As we can see on this and other threads that ain't happening without a fight.
Sooner or later you had to be right about something.
Right now it's turning into thugs with guns.
And if people like you get your way,all those thugs will be wearing badges.
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
#55. To: mininggold, sneakypete, *Extended Clip Progressives* (#53)
Gun owners need to police themselves
The CT school shooter wasn't a gun owner. The gun shop refused to sell him the rifle he was trying to purchase. He killed his mother and took her guns, which may have been locked up in a gun safe up until then. I've seen nothing in the news about whether or not she had a gun safe.
I wonder if the main reason he killed her, was to get the key to her gun safe?
Anyway, you can't blame gun owners for the actions of the occasional psycho. But we can blame you for creating gun-free killing zones to protect your kind (progressive psychos).
"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul
#56. To: sneakypete (#54)
Sooner or later you had to be right about something.Right now it's turning into thugs with guns.
And if people like you get your way,all those thugs will be wearing badges.
Why is it always about value judgements?
I see idiot 2nd amendment and other 'armed volunteer' groups trying to stake out their own territories while turning this country into a Mogadishu as being a much bigger threat. And going up against the might of the government and it's military with the equivalent of sling shots? Pretty damned funny.
But I'm sure you can go into any number of third world countries and see some of the most avid followers of the 2nd amendment still at work, bringing peace and prosperity to their regions.
Almost every country in the Middle East is awash in oil, and we have to side with the one that has nothing but joos. Goddamn, that was good thinkin'. Esso posted on 2012-01-13 7:37:56 ET
#57. To: mininggold (#56)
So the drone serial killer should take our guns away?
#58. To: mininggold (#56) (Edited)
I see idiot 2nd amendment and other 'armed volunteer' groups trying to stake out their own territories while turning this country into a Mogadishu as being a much bigger threat.
That's because you are stupid and delusional. Which is proven once again by the quote of yours below.
But I'm sure you can go into any number of third world countries and see some of the most avid followers of the 2nd amendment still at work, bringing peace and prosperity to their regions.
Really? Name one.
We are the ONLY country that has a Bill of Rights,as well as a Second Amendment.
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
#59. To: hondo68, A K A Stone (#55)
Anyway, you can't blame gun owners for the actions of the occasional psycho. But we can blame you for creating gun-free killing zones to protect your kind (progressive psychos).
Stone thinks the armed but somewhat organized volunteer rioters during the LA riots evidently didn't have a beef with the government. It wasn't Stone's beef but they did have what they considered to be a legitimate beef.
BTW I bet most urban armed shooters would be considered leftists on this forum, dispelling the notion that only gun owners are on the right side of the political spectrum.
Almost every country in the Middle East is awash in oil, and we have to side with the one that has nothing but joos. Goddamn, that was good thinkin'. Esso posted on 2012-01-13 7:37:56 ET
#60. To: mininggold (#59)
Stone thinks the armed but somewhat organized volunteer rioters during the LA riots evidently didn't have a beef with the government.
Actually I said they didn't see themselelves as the second amendment militia.
But I will add that they didn't have a cause.
You think the injustice Rodney King got means they can beat up the Denny guy? Or loot businesses?
You are a true nut.
#61. To: sneakypete (#58) (Edited)
hat's because you are stupid and delusional. Which is proven once again by the quote of yours below.But I'm sure you can go into any number of third world countries and see some of the most avid followers of the 2nd amendment still at work, bringing peace and prosperity to their regions.
Really? Name one.
We are the ONLY country that has a Bill of Rights,as well as a Second Amendment.
Stop being so literal, some have governments in their purest form (none), with all rights granted by God until some local guy bigger than you takes them away. There are a few still left in the world although most are not considered AAA+ tourist destinations.
Almost every country in the Middle East is awash in oil, and we have to side with the one that has nothing but joos. Goddamn, that was good thinkin'. Esso posted on 2012-01-13 7:37:56 ET
#62. To: A K A Stone (#60) (Edited)
Actually I said they didn't see themselelves as the second amendment militia.But I will add that they didn't have a cause.
You think the injustice Rodney King got means they can beat up the Denny guy? Or loot businesses?
You are a true nut.
How would you know? Did you poll everyone of them?
They certainly had a cause. It's wasn't your cause, but then it was against the government so it was sort of your cause.
"Armed volunteers" can cause all kinds of havoc.
Almost every country in the Middle East is awash in oil, and we have to side with the one that has nothing but joos. Goddamn, that was good thinkin'. Esso posted on 2012-01-13 7:37:56 ET
#63. To: mininggold (#61)
Stop being so literal, some have governments in their purest form (none), with all rights granted by God until some local guy bigger than you takes them away.
Name one.
And why is it you are suddenly complaining about me being so literal? Could it be because you know you are wrong?
Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
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