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Title: “GIVE ME YOUR TIRED, YOUR POOR, YOUR HUDDLED MASSES YEARNING TO CASH WELFARE CHECKS…”
Source: Powerlineblog
URL Source: http://www.powerlineblog.com/archiv ... ing-to-cash-welfare-checks.php
Published: Nov 20, 2012
Author: JOHN HINDERAKER
Post Date: 2012-11-20 22:51:44 by Mudboy Slim
Keywords: ObamaNation, ILLEGALS
Views: 132426
Comments: 201

Federal law prohibits the admission of aliens to this country who are “likely at any time to become a public charge.” This is one of many statutes that the scofflaw Obama administration brazenly flouts. Rather than ensuring that immigrants will not become liabilities to the public purse, the Obama administration explicitly lures them to the U.S. with promises of lavish welfare benefits–a policy that is both illegal and perverse. This web site promoting federal welfare benefits, now the largest item in the federal budget, mirrors information that is included in packets given to new arrivals in the U.S.:

I can only imagine the disgust with which my immigrant ancestors would react to Obama’s “Government Benefits” brochure. Meanwhile, Senators like Jeff Sessions are trying to get information about the Obama administration’s illegal promotion of welfare benefits, but are being stonewalled–the Obama administration’s invariable response to requests for transparency. Earlier today, Sessions released this statement:

The Department of Homeland Security’s effort to enroll immigrants in welfare raises serious legal, social, and financial issues.

Federal law prohibits the granting of visas to those likely to be welfare reliant, yet DHS actively promotes these benefits to millions of new arrivals every year. DHS knows this, which is perhaps why they refuse to comply with an oversight request on this very issue from the Ranking Members of four Senate Committees.

It is a long-held principle of immigration that those seeking a life in America are expected to be able to care for themselves financially and contribute to the financial health of the nation. The Administration’s actions show this principle is no longer in effect. Encouraging self-sufficiency must be a bedrock for our immigration policy, with the goal of reducing poverty, strengthening the family, and promoting our economic values. But Administration officials and their policies are working actively against this goal. At the same time, those who would be self-sufficient are denied or delayed in their admittance.

This is of course a financial issue as well. America spends enough each year on welfare to equal $60,000 for every household beneath the poverty line. Welfare is now the largest item in the budget and is projected to grow another 30 percent in the next four years. We should not pursue an immigration policy that places even more strain on the funding for domestic programs.

DHS should remove any sections of its website, and any portions of its materials for new arrivals, that promote or encourage welfare reliance. And DHS should respond, at once, to the outstanding oversight request on its failure to enforce legally mandated welfare restrictions. The American people deserve to know the hidden truth about how our immigration system is being run.

For the first time in my lifetime, we have a federal government that feels no compunction about disregarding its own laws. If we had an independent press, the Obama administration’s lawbreaking might well give rise to public indignation. (1 image)

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#134. To: mcgowanjm (#126)

"You see, Rabbi..."

What is an anti-Semite, fer 500, Alex...MUD

"Devolve Power Outta the Federal Leviathan and Back to the States,
Localities, and Individuals as Prescribed in the US Constitution."

Mudboy Slim  posted on  2013-03-06   17:42:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#135. To: mcgowanjm (#127)

"Opinion Poll:
The Ideal:
The Richest make 10% more than the Poorest"

How is THIS ideal for anyone? And how will ANYTHING get innovated or made cheaper and more accessible to more folks? Pure silliness...and far from ideal fer all but mind-numbed socialists.

What they Think:
The Richest make 20-40% more than the Poorest

Once again...HOO CARES?! I want to make TWICE what I am making now, next year. Then 10% MORE the following year, ad infinitum or until I retire. Sounds fair to me...HOO cares what deal y'all work out fer yerselves, I'll be fine.

"The Reality:
The Richest 1% make 380X more than the Avg Worker.....;}

KUM-BUY-YAWWW...we all hate our employers and those men hiding behind the curtain. Still, let's not forget to PRAISE KARL MARX!!

pssst...

"One day, MUD, you and or yours will not notice that your Security has vacated their posts."

Mac, what on earth are you jibber-jabbering about now, my friend?! I shall NEVER vacate my posts...MUD

"Devolve Power Outta the Federal Leviathan and Back to the States,
Localities, and Individuals as Prescribed in the US Constitution."

Mudboy Slim  posted on  2013-03-06   17:56:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#136. To: Mudboy Slim (#135)

I shall NEVER vacate my posts...MUD

BUWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

you have zero empathy.

I don't doubt that you'll never vacate your post.....;}

mcgowanjm  posted on  2013-03-06   18:45:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#137. To: Mudboy Slim (#134)

"You see, Rabbi..."

What is an anti-Semite, fer 500, Alex...MUD

So the Israelis are Not worthless.

But the Bottom 50% of Americans are worthless.

That right?

mcgowanjm  posted on  2013-03-06   18:46:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#138. To: Mudboy Slim (#133)

If Scalia hadn't the House would've...Gore was simply check-mated twelve ways to Sunday.

check mate?

I thought we were counting votes.

You do want to count all the votes.

mcgowanjm  posted on  2013-03-06   18:48:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#139. To: Mudboy Slim (#132)

Rehnquist?! Et tu? I

You don't think Scalia crawled out from under a rock.

It takes time. POTUS's have to be killed.

Wars have to be started.

Laws passed.

;}

mcgowanjm  posted on  2013-03-06   18:50:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#140. To: Mudboy Slim (#131)

"Florida 2000.....;}"

All's well that end's well, I reckon...MUD )8^D!!

Yep. You've got violence on your side.

No arguement here on that.

but Evil is not all powerful.

something stops it. that something is good.....8D

mcgowanjm  posted on  2013-03-06   18:57:52 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#141. To: All (#140)

The book is fucking upside down.

mcgowanjm  posted on  2013-03-06   18:58:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#142. To: Mudboy Slim (#130)

My dad, the 8th of 9 kids to a Kansas farmer and his wife, and my mom, 3rd of 4 kids to a Kansas farmer and his wife, were BOTH the first kids in their families to ever receive a college diploma. My dad became a Navy Captain and my mom was a stay-at-home mom to four boys, all of whom graduated from college and have Masters of Business from various institutions.

Third base, my arse, you know how little Navy officers make before they become Lt.-Commanders or above?! My mom pinched some friggin' pennies...MUD

Great. My uncle's Jesse James.

now what.

You want to explain why you want to pull up the ladder as you shit on everyone's head beneath you?

mcgowanjm  posted on  2013-03-06   19:00:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#143. To: mcgowanjm (#136)

"...you have zero empathy."

Unwarranted and untrue...Handups not HandOuts, dude...

"I don't doubt that you'll never vacate your post.....;}"

Wise you can be at times, Mac...do I know you from somewhere?!

"Devolve Power Outta the Federal Leviathan and Back to the States,
Localities, and Individuals as Prescribed in the US Constitution."

Mudboy Slim  posted on  2013-03-06   19:03:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#144. To: Mudboy Slim (#129)

"If you're living, your contributing."

Pish-posh...MUD

MORE.

If you're living the Top 1% make sure you're having to go thru them/you.

Kinda like each human is a store of energy......

If you're free, you're being exterminated....

"Forest_elephantsAfrican forest elephants are being poached out of existence. A study just published in the online journal PLOS ONE shows that across their range in central Africa, a staggering 62 percent of all forest elephants have been killed for their ivory over the past decade.

“The analysis confirms what conservationists have feared: the rapid trend towards extinction – potentially within the next decade – of the forest elephant,” says Dr. Samantha Strindberg of the Wildlife Conservation Society (WCS), one of the lead authors of the study. "

But that's ok. Cause humans will be on the same trac in 10 years as well.....;}

mcgowanjm  posted on  2013-03-06   19:04:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#145. To: mcgowanjm (#137)

"...the Bottom 50% of Americans are worthless."

That right?

Yer words, not mine, Mac...I believe I said something along the lines of non- taxpayers aka non-producers or the like...by no means worthless.

Here's the point, Lefty...if you've got a general population where 20% are children too young to work or vote, and 20% retired and non-productive, well, we've still got 60% of folks ready--and we hope willing--to get everything done and pay all the bills.

So by no means am I writing off 50% of Americans, those 20% young'uns (two kids) and 20% Ol'Timers (my parents) matter a whole lot to me...MUD

"Devolve Power Outta the Federal Leviathan and Back to the States,
Localities, and Individuals as Prescribed in the US Constitution."

Mudboy Slim  posted on  2013-03-06   19:13:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#146. To: mcgowanjm (#144)

"If you're living the Top 1% make sure you're having to go thru them/you."

Which, my friend, is a direct result from the increase of wealth-deciding decisions we route thru DeeCee...rewards, awards, and backroom deals we blindly entrust to the Federal BureaucRATS who don't even live in the F'in' region?!

Amazing what SHEEEPLE we have become, me included...MUD

"Devolve Power Outta the Federal Leviathan and Back to the States,
Localities, and Individuals as Prescribed in the US Constitution."

Mudboy Slim  posted on  2013-03-06   19:19:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#147. To: mcgowanjm (#138)

check mate?

In a nutshell...yep.

"Devolve Power Outta the Federal Leviathan and Back to the States,
Localities, and Individuals as Prescribed in the US Constitution."

Mudboy Slim  posted on  2013-03-06   19:20:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#148. To: mcgowanjm (#140)

"Evil is not all powerful.

something stops it. that something is good.....8D"

Couldn't agree more, Frodo...MUD

"Devolve Power Outta the Federal Leviathan and Back to the States,
Localities, and Individuals as Prescribed in the US Constitution."

Mudboy Slim  posted on  2013-03-06   19:23:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#149. To: mcgowanjm (#142)

"...you want to pull up the ladder..."

Wha?? I ain't pulling up no ladders...I live in THE HOOD and employ the locals, buddy, regardless of race (NO ILLEGALS, though). The Federal Leviathan is urban America's biggest nightmare and has been ever since the 60's...do some reading, Mac...MUD

"Devolve Power Outta the Federal Leviathan and Back to the States,
Localities, and Individuals as Prescribed in the US Constitution."

Mudboy Slim  posted on  2013-03-06   19:27:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#150. To: Jasmine, Fibr dog, Goldi-lox, ferret, Bill D Berger, Jhoffa_, continental op, buckeroo (#149)

"Black VI"

The MudCave ^ | 29 December 2001 | Mudboy Slim
Posted on 12/29/2001 4:35:20 AM by Mudboy Slim

"FWIW...T-Mac Shall Be INDICTED!!"
(To be sung to Buffalo Springfield's "For What It's Worth")

There's somethin' happenin' here...it ain't Right...
Vile Left, they Rule by Fear!!
ATF men in a tank over there,
slaughterin' kids whilst they knelt in prayer!!
It's high time we INDICT T-Mac...PUNK Dem's Clown!!
DNC Chairman...who killed Ron Brown?!!

There's bad men doin' WRONG...
RATS'll win The Fight, unless the Right is Strong!!
Bold people must speak OUR minds...we're gettin' too much resistance from OUR side!!
It's time we ROUT Lib'rals, TRASH DemClowns!!
High time fer Justice to now Rebound!!

Barry feels he can't be beat...Med'yuh Poltroons, they're Effete!!
Forgivin' wrongs, Press parrots RATS' LIES!!
Most (ALL?) them say, "Obama's OUR GUY!!"
It's time we STOP DemRATS...Stop DemClowns!!
Big Guv'ment's shakin' OUR Country down!!

Rev-o-lutions start slow...but Limbaugh's Legions shall grow!!
Evil Wins when the Good are afraid!!
Step outta line...the time's come fer Right to hold sway!!
We shall INDICT T-Mac...Stop Left's Clown!!
All ya good BRIEFERS, come help us out!!
We gotta STOP Barack...soil his Crown!!
Ev'rybody help what's goin' down!!

We're gonna STOP Lib'rals...STOP DemClowns!!
Destroy Lib'ralism...let's do it NOW!!

(12/29/2001...Happy Birthday, MamaMUD!!)

Terrance P.(unk) McAuliffe is Complicit with ALL the EX-Traitor-in-Chief's Campaign Finance Abuse Felonies and TREASON!!! Here's how...

It's High Time the Right INDICTED DNC Chairman Terry "Punk" McAuliffe, IMHO, of course!!

Slick Willie is a Liar/Felon/Rapist/MassMurderer/WarCriminal/Traitor/Tyrant...but he had a whole lotta help from the Left.
The Vast LeftWing Medyuh Whore'd will Defend the Indefensible--again--at their own peril!!

When we INDICT DNC Chairman Terry McAuliffe,
the BrainDead Lib'ral Dem'RAT Masses won't have a clue that
we are actually beginning The Discovery Stage for Slick Willie's inevitable INDICTMENT
...but the well-informed RightWing shall know, because we'll make it happen!!

[BRIEFERS/L_Flamers/L_Posters/4umers], it's time to flex our muscles and show the Left who controls the GOP!!

And it ain't the Big Guv'ment RINOs!!!

Let's ROCK...MUD

1 posted on 12/29/2001 4:35:20 AM by Mudboy Slim (Justice@in't.negotiable!!)

Yeah, let's ROCK...MUD

"Devolve Power Outta the Federal Leviathan and Back to the States,
Localities, and Individuals as Prescribed in the US Constitution."

Mudboy Slim  posted on  2013-03-06   20:06:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#151. To: Mudboy Slim (#150) (Edited)

Here is Ohio's own, Crystal Bowersox doing 'for what's it's worth." Which she recorded on her first album after American Idol called 'Farmer's Daughter.'

She's living in Portland, Oregon when she's not on the road. She's got a great voice, and is a very sweet gal.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2013-03-06   21:37:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#152. To: Ferret Mike (#151)

Excellent, Mike...yes, she seems like a sweet gal, and sings nice, too.

Will you not engage me in discussion other than small talk, Mr. Ferret?

"Devolve Power Outta the Federal Leviathan and Back to the States,
Localities, and Individuals as Prescribed in the US Constitution."

Mudboy Slim  posted on  2013-03-06   22:07:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#153. To: Ferret Mike, sneakypete, unamused, Badeye, A K A Stone, byeltsin, Murron, AuntB, Bill D Berger (#151)

Heh heh heh...back when Jim Carrey's schtick was new and fresh...MUD

"Devolve Power Outta the Federal Leviathan and Back to the States,
Localities, and Individuals as Prescribed in the US Constitution."

Mudboy Slim  posted on  2013-03-06   22:36:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#154. To: sultan88, Landru, FBD, jla, Ragtime Cowgirl, byeltsin, A K A Stone, Corin Stormhands, yankhater, MeekOneGOP, philman_36, ferret, Murron, meguro (#150)

"Black VII"

"Truth Shall Rise Again" (T-Mac's Indictment is Nigh...)
MudCave, Inc. ^ | 15 January 2002
Beware the Ides of March | Mudboy Slim
Posted on 1/15/2002 4:33:56 AM by Mudboy Slim

"Truth Shall Rise Again!!"
(To be sung to R.E.M.'s "So. Central Rain")

Obama's gonna fall!! Dem Leftists try to stall...
Their Lib'ral mis-directions...are driving RATS insane!!
Our Will shan't bend!! Bad Barry washed away...
The Evil of the Lib'rals...has forced Mudboy to sing.

I'm sorry...BO's sorry...Left's sorry...Right's always...

Justice is our Right...Third Party calls...the RINOs frown...
The wise man wrote his words upon the rocks...
But MUD's not bound to follow suit!!
The Left shall bend...Left's ConDamnation's Nigh!!
If RATS' Treas'nous Crimes YOU Condone...yer choice isn't mine!!

BO's sorry...Left's sorry...

Med'yuh never called!! MUD waited for Left's calls...
Left's lies and mis-directions are driving US away!!
Then Limbaugh sang...Left's brain-washin' washed away...
Left says that I should "Just Move ON!!"...that Choice isn't mine!!

I'm sorry...Barry's sorry...Left's sorry...Justice's RIGHT!!!

Ooooh...Ahhhhh...Ahhhhhhhhh-EEEEE...Ahhhhh-ahhhhhhh-uhhhhh...

{end very intensely on Am}

Heh heh heh...Mudboy Slim (15 January 2002)

"Any Establishment that would have MUD as a member is no Establishment fer me..."...sultan88

Oh yeah...and never forget that...
DNC Chairman Terry McAuliffe is a Dirty, Downright Scoundrel RatPUNK who needs to be INDICTED fer his crimes!!

The Inner Machinations of the Mind Remain an Eternal Enigma to...MUD

1 posted on 1/15/2002 4:33:56 AM by Mudboy Slim (Justice@in't.Negotiable!!)

"Devolve Power Outta the Federal Leviathan and Back to the States,
Localities, and Individuals as Prescribed in the US Constitution."

Mudboy Slim  posted on  2013-03-06   23:48:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#155. To: Mudboy Slim (#149)

The Federal Leviathan is urban America's biggest nightmare and has been ever since the 60's...do some reading, Mac...MUD

So why aren't you Ever posting about the USSA's Empire.

Why aren't you Ever posting about the War of 9/11.

Why aren't you Ever posting about the October 08 $25 Trillion Bailout that gave us the Largest Wealth Transfer in History.

And now the Greatest Inequality in the History of man?

Huh?

www.the-peoples-forum.com...gi?ArtNum=32592&Disp=1#C1

mcgowanjm  posted on  2013-03-07   8:37:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#156. To: Mudboy Slim (#148)

"Evil is not all powerful.

something stops it. that something is good.....8D"

Couldn't agree more, Frodo...MUD

frodo.....;}

that's pretty good.

like it's a myth or something.

that would make you over towards Mordor somewhere, or Rohan, thinking that Sarumman knows what he's doing.

Besides, he's too powerful to mess with....

LMFAO.....

Dear Aunt Em

Hate you

Hate Kansas

Taking the dog

Dorothy

;}

mcgowanjm  posted on  2013-03-07   8:41:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#157. To: Mudboy Slim (#147)

check mate?

In a nutshell...yep.

And see the above post for confirmation.

Think Saruman has things under control.

Cognitive dissonance.

2.2 billion humans about to dis appear from the Global Rolls.

mcgowanjm  posted on  2013-03-07   8:43:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#158. To: Mudboy Slim (#146)

Which, my friend,....

not your friend.....not when you think the USSA's Weath inequality is just from some people working harder than others.....

mcgowanjm  posted on  2013-03-07   8:45:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#159. To: Mudboy Slim (#146)

a direct result from the increase of wealth-deciding decisions we route thru DeeCee...rewards, awards, and backroom deals we blindly entrust to the Federal BureaucRATS who don't even live in the F'in' region?!

Amazing what SHEEEPLE we have become, me included...MUD

It ALL starts here, MUD

You can start pointing out the Treason right here at LF....;}

mcgowanjm  posted on  2013-03-07   8:46:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#160. To: Mudboy Slim (#134) (Edited)

To: mcgowanjm

"You see, Rabbi..."

What is an anti-Semite, fer 500, Alex...MUD

#94. To: mcgowanjm (#92)

After Justice Thomas, Scalia's my FAVE...MUD

"Devolve Power Outta the Federal Leviathan and Back to the States, Localities, and Individuals as Prescribed in the US Constitution."

Mudboy Slim posted on 2013-03-02 13:29:24 ET Reply Trace Private Reply #95. To: Fred Mertz (#81)

Hey there, ethyl...

"...you don't own property. Then shut up you shouldn't be able to vote."

I prefer to refer to it as OnlyNetTaxpayersHaveEarnedTheFranchise.com...MUD

"Devolve Power Outta the Federal Leviathan and Back to the States, Localities, and Individuals as Prescribed in the US Constitution."

Mudboy Slim posted on 2013-03-02 14:22:48 ET

So, what %age of USSAns adhere to the above beliefs, MUD?

2%?

What kind of Social Safety Net do you think should be available to the Bottom 98% who are SOL with the System as it stands?

When's the Monopoly Game over?

mcgowanjm  posted on  2013-03-07   8:55:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#161. To: mcgowanjm (#160)

To: jla; FBD; Liz; stand watie; Alamo-Girl; BufordP; ForGod'sSake; Peach; Ms. AntiFeminazi

"Oppression's Wrong!!"
(To be sung to Bob Marley's "Redemption Song")

Ohh, pat'riots...Left, they rob US...
Bold Right, shed yer chains for whips!!
Minions chatter while we fight...
RATS are socialist wimps!!
Folks, MUD's band shall stand strong...
As we strike the High and Mighty!!
Move forward...go "X"-Generation...triumphantly!!
Won't you help US sing...
MUD's songs of Freedom?!
'Cuz the Right's takin' stands...
Oppression's Wrong!!
Defeat Left's SCUM!!

Emancipate yerself from Left's enslavement...
Some like Limbaugh shall BRIEF fer Right!!
Have no fear of sources of energy...
Next, the Right's gonna break Left's spine!!
How long shall RATS steal my profits...
As we subsidize Left's KOOKS?! Ooh!!
Come play, let's be a part of it...
Recall the day NooYawk shook!!

Won't you help MUD sing...
Bold songs of BRIEFin'?!
Folks, RightWing's takin' stands!!
Corruption's Wrong!!
Oppression's Wrong!!
Big Guv'ment's Wrong!!

(BigMan on guitar)

Emancipate yerself from Left's enslavement...
Some like Limbaugh shall BRIEF fer Right!!
Woah!! Have no fear of sources of energy...
Next, Righteous gonna break Left's spine!!
How long shall RATS steal my profits...
As we subsidize Left's KOOKS?! Ooh!!
Come play, let's be a part of it...
Recall the day DeeCee shook!!
Won't you help MUD sing...
Dese songs of BRIEFin'?!
Folks, RightWing's takin' stands!!
Big Guv'ment's Wrong!!
All y'all join the Band...
Oppression's Wrong!!
We sing of FReedom...
Songs of FReedom!!

Mudboy Slim (12 April 2006)

"Devolve Power Outta the Federal Leviathan and Back to the States,
Localities, and Individuals as Prescribed in the US Constitution."

Mudboy Slim  posted on  2013-03-07   12:43:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#162. To: Mudboy Slim (#161)

SLipperry As A pIg.

What's a Kansas Wheat Shocker doing working AIPAC's Agenda.

mcgowanjm  posted on  2013-03-08   8:40:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#163. To: mcgowanjm (#160)

"So, what %age of USSAns adhere to the above beliefs, MUD? 2%?"

Mac, it's not healthy to base all yer assumptions about Right vs. Wrong on who posted the latest push poll.

However, yes, I hope I can forever be to the Right of 98% of Americans...MUD

"Devolve Power Outta the Federal Leviathan and Back to the States,
Localities, and Individuals as Prescribed in the US Constitution."

Mudboy Slim  posted on  2013-03-09   11:37:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#164. To: mcgowanjm (#162)

"SLipperry As A pIg."

Nonsense, I'm as bald-faced with the posting my opinions as anyone, no doubt where I stand on most any issue.

"What's a Kansas Wheat Shocker doing working AIPAC's Agenda."

If yer calling me a "Jew-lover", Mac, for shame...MUD

"Devolve Power Outta the Federal Leviathan and Back to the States,
Localities, and Individuals as Prescribed in the US Constitution."

Mudboy Slim  posted on  2013-03-09   11:40:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#165. To: Mudboy Slim (#164)

If yer calling me a "Jew-lover", Mac, for shame...MUD

I said AIPAC

But you reach for the Smear.....typical bad defense...;}

And why do you NEVER have anything to say about o

Ben Zygier being killed in a Super Max Israeli prison?

Just those mooching Bottom 90% Americans......

mcgowanjm  posted on  2013-03-10   10:57:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#166. To: Mudboy Slim (#163)

Mac, it's not healthy to base all yer assumptions about Right vs. Wrong on who posted the latest push poll.

Push Poll?

Really.

But I really don't do polls.

I do %ages....and right now the Top 1% are getting ALL the Bailouts and the Bottom 99% are getting the shaft.

Avg CEO makes 380 X the Avg Worker and you give a rat's ass.....;}

Just worthless mooching Americans who can't handle Empire.

mcgowanjm  posted on  2013-03-10   11:00:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#167. To: mcgowanjm (#166)

"...right now the Top 1% are getting ALL the Bailouts and the Bottom 99% are getting the shaft."

Pish posh and absolute balderdash, mac. Almost 50% of Americans are sucking at the Federal TEAT, consuming more in Federal bennies than they pay in Federal taxes. I'm supposed to feel sorry for ALL of these folks and believe yer class- warfare gibberish about them getting the shaft as they consume subsidized housing, food stamps, direct cash welfare payments, and the myriad of social services that are bankrupting the Federal Leviathan today...MUD

"Devolve Power Outta the Federal Leviathan and Back to the States,
Localities, and Individuals as Prescribed in the US Constitution."

Mudboy Slim  posted on  2013-03-10   14:32:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#168. To: mcgowanjm (#165)

"...why do you NEVER have anything to say about o?"

Obama, I presume?!

More Obama-bashin' HERE!!"

"Ben Zygier being killed in a Super Max Israeli prison?

Call me STOOOPID, but I've never heard of Mr. Zygier...please post a link, I'll read it.

"Just those mooching Bottom 90% Americans......"

Yer words, not mine...I believe well over 50% of Americans are willing to put in a hard day's work in exchange for their bimonthly paychecks or daily stipends...MUD

"Devolve Power Outta the Federal Leviathan and Back to the States,
Localities, and Individuals as Prescribed in the US Constitution."

Mudboy Slim  posted on  2013-03-10   15:22:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#169. To: Mudboy Slim (#168)

Yer words, not mine...I believe well over 50% of Americans are willing to put in a hard day's work in exchange for their bimonthly paychecks or daily stipends...MUD

'stipends'......haven't heard that in a while.....

Sounds like 'Allowance' to me.....;}

And I'm not surprised you haven't heard of Ben Zygier......;}

Why don't you google the name.....see what comes up........;}

mcgowanjm  posted on  2013-03-11   9:31:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#170. To: Mudboy Slim (#167)

Pish posh and absolute balderdash, mac.

And there it is again!

To go along with 'stipends'....R we in the Tale of Two Cities, here?

KC, KS & KC, MO.....LMAO....8D

You have Zero Idea of the Wealth Inequality in this Nation.

Imagine a town of 10 000.....where 100 own 40% of the land. And 10 own 40%. And it's worse than that.

mcgowanjm  posted on  2013-03-11   9:35:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#171. To: mcgowanjm (#170)

Imagine a town of 10 000.....where 100 own 40% of the land. And 10 own 40%. And it's worse than that.

The conservative vision of a thriving metropolis is a company town.

Almost every country in the Middle East is awash in oil, and we have to side with the one that has nothing but joos. Goddamn, that was good thinkin'. Esso posted on 2012-01-13 7:37:56 ET

mininggold  posted on  2013-03-11   12:27:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#172. To: mcgowanjm, mininggold, ferret, meguro, (#170)

"Imagine a town of 10 000.....where 100 own 40% of the land. And 10 own 40%. And it's worse than that."

I honestly believe this concentration of wealth--and Power--is a direct result of increased DeeCee control over every aspect of our lives. Corporate monopolies only survive at the behest of the Ruling Elite. We must down-size the Federal impact on our daily lives, and devolve power to the States, Localities, and Individuals.

It's the libertarian solution and will lead to an explosion of growth in productivity...MUD

"Devolve Power Outta the Federal Leviathan and Back to the States,
Localities, and Individuals as Prescribed in the US Constitution."

Mudboy Slim  posted on  2013-03-11   21:04:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#173. To: mininggold (#171)

"The conservative vision of a thriving metropolis is a company town."

Nonsense...conservatives believe Americans deserve to keep more of the bread they make. Liberals believe hard-working Americans oughtta keep sending more and more of our hard- earned dollars to DeeCee so that bureaucRATS can dole out our money to those who choose not to accept whatever work opportunities are available to them (and there are work opportunities available EVERYWHERE)!!

Regards...MUD

"Devolve Power Outta the Federal Leviathan and Back to the States,
Localities, and Individuals as Prescribed in the US Constitution."

Mudboy Slim  posted on  2013-03-11   21:08:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#174. To: mcgowanjm (#169)

"Ben Zygier...Prisoner X"

"Prisoner X"
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Ben Zygier

Born 9 December 1976
Melbourne, Victoria, Australia
Died 15 December 2010 (aged 34)
Ramla, Israel
Nationality Australian-Israeli
Other names Ben Alon, Ben Allen, Benjamin Burrows, Prisoner X[1]
Spouse(s) Maya
Children Romi and Yuli
Parents Louise and Geoffrey[2]

Prisoner X, Mr. X and Mister X were placeholder names for Ben Zygier while he was imprisoned in Israel in strict secrecy for unspecified crimes at Ayalon Prison, a maximum-security prison in Ramla. He died in custody in 2010 and is reported to have committed suicide by hanging himself in his cell. Ben Zygier was an Australian-Israeli citizen who was allegedly a member of Mossad. The Israeli government has acknowledged that a prisoner held under a pseudonym died in their custody and has confirmed the prisoner's identity as Ben Zygier. Before an Australian Broadcasting Corporation investigation identified Zygier in February 2013, little was known about him. Until that report aired, Israeli media were subject to a media blackout.

Biography
Ben Zygier was born in Melbourne in 1976 to a prominent Jewish family. His father Geoffrey was head of the B'nai Brith Anti-Defamation Commission and was active in other Jewish organizations. His mother Louise worked at Monash University and raised funds for the local Jewish Community Center. Zygier participated in the Hashomer Hatzair a Socialist–Zionist, secular Jewish youth movement. After completing his law studies, he made aliyah as part of Hashomer Hatzair in 1994 and volunteered at Kibbutz Gazit together with a group of other Australian Jews. After completing his military service in the Israel Defense Forces, he was recruited into the Mossad in the early 2000s, and from 2003 to 2004 worked at the prestigious Herzog Fox & Neeman law firm. In 2006, he married an Israeli woman, Maya Zalewski, and the couple had two daughters, Romi and Yuli.[2][14][15] In 2009, he briefly returned to Australia to obtain an MBA at Monash University.

Death
It is believed that Ben Zygier died on 15 December 2010. Feldman, Zygier's attorney, had met with his client the day before. Feldman said he saw no signs of suicidal thoughts when they met. According to Feldman, Zygier was "rational and focused", although anxious about his upcoming trial.[19]

The cause of Zygier's death has been the matter of some speculation. Ynet posted on 27 December 2010 that an inmate at Ayalon Prison had committed suicide two weeks prior by hanging himself, but the story was suppressed. ABC's exposé claimed that a death certificate for a Ben Alon (the name Zygier adopted when he immigrated to Israel) was issued by a coroner at the Abu Kabir Forensic Institute. The cause of death was listed as asphyxiation by hanging, and the location of death as Ramla, the city which hosts Ayalon Prison.[33] According to the ABC, the cell in which he was held was supposedly suicide-proof and constantly monitored by surveillance cameras, leading it to question how Zygier was able to hang himself.[34] However the chief of Israel's prison service rejected the claims saying that the cell was not specially supervised, nor was it considered suicide proof. The prison service also stated that it wanted Ben Zygier's complete supervision orders made public, which it believes would mitigate its responsibility.[35]

Israel's Channel 10 TV news cited unnamed members of Zygier's rescue crew who claimed the inmate hanged himself in the bathroom, out of view of surveillance cameras.[36] A photograph from surveillance footage during Yigal Amir's incarceration in Unit 15 appears to show a separate, adjacent room from the main cell containing a shower and bathroom.[37] A supposed transcript of a phone call from the prison to the Magen David Adom emergency services was read aloud on Channel 10 news, in which the caller reportedly said, "he's hanged himself", and requested a mobile intensive care unit.[36]

An investigation by the Israel Prison Service concluded that Zygier hanged himself from the bars in his cell bathroom. Zygier took a sheet to the bathroom, presumably on the pretense of washing it, and tied it to the bars on his window without guards noticing. Zygier had not been placed on suicide watch, and as a result, the guards only checked on him every 20–25 minutes rather than every few minutes.[38]

Six weeks before the emergence of the ABC report, a lengthy inquiry by Israeli magistrate judge Daphna Blatman Kedrai concluded that it was suicide. Kedrai recommended that a further inquiry be drawn into whether Israeli prison authorities were negligent in his death. After the inquiry, Israel reportedly offered the Zygier family considerable financial compensation for his death.[39] An Israeli official denied that compensation was offered, arguing that none would be necessary until negligence had been proven.[40] In February 2013, in the face of mounting media scrutiny, 8 pages of a 28-page report prepared by Judge Kedrai at the conclusion of her inquiry in December 2012, was released to the public. In the report Kedrai determined Zygier had died as the result of suicide, but found prison officers had contributed to the circumstances leading to his death. The judge said "orders had been given to prevent suicide," and that "these orders were not upheld." Judge Kedrai reported that bruises had been found on Zygier's body but could not determine whether they occurred before or after his death. She noted traces of a tranquilizer drug were found in Zygier's body but did not make anything of it. Whilst leaving her findings open, the judge said she could not negate the "the active intervention on the part of another person who intentionally caused his death," but her report said this was negated by "the examination of the conditions of imprisonment that denied entry to the cell and the contents of the camera sweeps that negated the entry of another person into the cell." [41]

Sounds suspicious...what's yer point, mac?!

"Devolve Power Outta the Federal Leviathan and Back to the States,
Localities, and Individuals as Prescribed in the US Constitution."

Mudboy Slim  posted on  2013-03-11   21:21:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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