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Title: Mass murder ... 'normal' --- in world without God
Source: wnd.com
URL Source: http://www.wnd.com/2012/07/mass-mur ... world-without-god/?cat_orig=us
Published: Jul 24, 2012
Author: Ray Comfort
Post Date: 2012-07-24 15:58:18 by BorisY
Keywords: reprobates, reprobates, reprobates
Views: 7578
Comments: 26

Mass murder 'normal' in world without God

Ray Comfort explains why the 'Joker' pulled the trigger

WASHINGTON – The press is eagerly hunting clues as to why James “the Joker” Holmes murdered 12 people and injured dozens more in a shooting attack at an Aurora, Colo., movie theater where people had gathered to see the latest Batman movie.

But they’re not likely to find them, says evangelist-author Ray Comfort – because they’re looking in all the wrong places.

“This latest alleged mass murderer isn’t so easy to peg,” says Comfort, author of the new book “Hitler, God and the Bible.” “He came from a good home, in a good area, and he had a good education. But those who ask ‘What went wrong?’ are asking the wrong question. It should rather be ‘What is wrong?’ The biblical worldview isn’t that anything went wrong. Here was a normal sinful human being involved in an evil act of murder. The Scriptures tell ‘The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked’ (Jer. 17:9), and that no one is morally good in God’s eyes.”

Comfort continues: “However, the humanistic worldview is radically different. It says that no one is born with a sinful (evil) nature. All human beings are inherently good, and when someone goes off the rails, there must be some mitigating factor – he was bullied, was a loner, had an abusive father, or a dominant mother, etc. While some of these are serious issues, millions of people get through them without going out and killing other people.”

In other words, in a world without God, mass murder would be normal.

“The day before the mass shooting, I had lunch with a pastor who shared how God had saved him while he was in prison.” said Comfort. “He had been given three years, and he was so depressed he was placed in a suicide cell with five other men. During the night he awoke to see one of the other prisoners hanging by his neck with his fellow inmates urging him on, saying, ‘Go, go, go … you can do it!’ It reminded me of the time I read of crowds calling, ‘Jump! Do it!’ to a suicidal man as he stood on a ledge on a high building.”

In preparation for a sequel to “Hitler, God and the Bible,” Comfort is working on a book called “The Beatles, God and the Bible” and a movie about John Lennon. In preparation he has been interviewing people to ask if they would murder for $10,000. While most say they wouldn’t, some would.

“When I questioned those who refused, it usually came back to being morally responsible to God for murder,” said Comfort. “However, any real fear of God is slowly dissipating from our nation. I would dare to say that there are many who love violent video games and violent movies, who would like to know what it feels like to kill another human being. But they don’t carry out their fantasy because of the fear of retribution from civil law.”

Comfort explains that when the biblical premise of man being evil by nature is forsaken, a criminal isn’t responsible for his crimes, other than those imposed by the state – which are temporal. In many societies today individuals are no longer considered responsible for what they do – good or bad. Barack Obama recently explained that businessmen are not responsible for the businesses they built. Likewise, on the negative side, societal conditions and life’s circumstances are often blamed for violent crimes.

“Imagine how wicked society would be if the fear of God and the fear of civil law were both completely removed,” said Comfort. “Imagine if a man could rape and murder, with no concerns about being punished? That’s when we would see the true heart of humanity, and that’s where we as a nation are slowly heading.”

With the rejection of God by more and more Americans, Comfort expects to see an exponential escalation of Auroras.

“We have turned our backs on God, and given Him lip-service by maintaining a belief in His existence and at the same time embracing that which is abhorrent to Him; things such as homosexual marriage, abortion, adultery, fornication, pornography, lying, theft and blasphemy.” said Comfort. “Few have any fear of God, which the Bible says is the ‘beginning’ of wisdom. A wise man once said, ‘Most I fear God. Next I fear him who fears Him not.’ When someone doesn’t fear God, they give themselves to evil. This was clearly the case in the latest mass murder.”

So what’s the answer?

“The only answer is the Gospel,” says Comfort. “Christians must share their faith in obedience to the Great Commission, because we are only seeing the fruit of sin this side of death. There’s another side, and it’s on what many call ‘the other side.’ There’s a very real Hell after death for anyone who dies in sin. Yet God is rich in mercy and has provided a Savior. All who repent and trust in Him not only find everlasting life, but they no longer give themselves to evil by lying, stealing, or killing. That’s the only answer for America – and every other nation.”

See all of Ray Comfort’s books and videos in the Ray Comfort department of the WND Superstore.


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#2. To: BorisY (#0) (Edited)

See the Crusades, Spanish Inquisition, Militant Islam, extremist West Bank Israelis, and Jim Jones for a rebuttal.

People who are absolutely convinced that God is on their side can perform acts against their fellow man that are just as horrific as unbelievers.

jwpegler  posted on  2012-07-24   16:25:26 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: jwpegler (#2) (Edited)

People who are absolutely convinced that God is on their side can perform acts against their fellow man that are just as horrific as unbelievers.

See the Crusades, Spanish Inquisition, Militant Islam, extremist West Bank Israelis, and Jim Jones for a rebuttal.

Including "Jim Jones" in your list was a nice touch to your lame rebuttal. You're absurd of course... God IS on the "side" of righteousness, you moral relativist heathen. SOME of us believe in that absolute of righteousness. It's YOUR ilk who believe the Ten Commandments (and not The Ten Suggestions) are irrelevant to maintaining order and respect for their fellow man. Not so much the Secular Humanists who've managed to hijack the respective morals, ethics and cultures of both Europe and the USA.

Answer me this riddle, Pegman: When was the last time an Evangelical-Protestant "Jesus-Freak" went on a "horrific" murder rampage, Sparky? Or as a group imposed their will on a population by the sword?

Here's what Ray Comfort says about our state of morality (and try to rebut ANY one of his points. IF you can):

“We have turned our backs on God, and given Him lip-service by maintaining a belief in His existence and at the same time embracing that which is abhorrent to Him; things such as homosexual marriage, abortion, adultery, fornication, pornography, lying, theft and blasphemy.” said Comfort. “Few have any fear of God, which the Bible says is the ‘beginning’ of wisdom. A wise man once said, ‘Most I fear God. Next I fear him who fears Him not.’ When someone doesn’t fear God, they give themselves to evil. This was clearly the case in the latest mass murder.”

Here's the title: Mass murder 'normal' in world without God

Ray Comfort is 110% correct. But you're going to ask, "That does depend whose 'God' it is, doesn't it?"; I would submit that he is referring to the very same God the Founders of THIS nation worshiped.

Liberator  posted on  2012-07-24   17:34:05 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Liberator (#4)

When was the last time an Evangelical-Protestant went on a "horrific" murder rampage, Sparky? Or as a group imposed their will on a population by the sword?

Do you mean like the KKK?

Or Timothy McVeigh?

Or Evangelical Protestants (like Michael Griffin, Rev. Paul Jennings Hill, John Salvi, Eric Robert Rudolph, James Charles Kopp, Scott Roeder, etc.) who murdered abortion doctors?

Do you want me to list more???

How about Protestant Witch Hunting between the 15th and 18th Centuries?

Please, don't sit here and tell us that Evangelical Protestants are incapable of being every bit as nasty as anyone else, because it's bullshit.

jwpegler  posted on  2012-07-24   20:03:35 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: jwpegler, Liberator (#8)

Do you mean like the KKK?

Or Timothy McVeigh?

Or Evangelical Protestants (like Michael Griffin, Rev. Paul Jennings Hill, John Salvi, Eric Robert Rudolph, James Charles Kopp, Scott Roeder, etc.) who murdered abortion doctors?

Do you want me to list more???

How about Protestant Witch Hunting between the 15th and 18th Centuries?

Please, don't sit here and tell us that Evangelical Protestants are incapable of being every bit as nasty as anyone else, because it's bullshit.

Hi JW. You have listed some really significant history. Let me be the first to confirm that Ray Comfort is no where near or even in the same galaxy with the murderers you posted above. In fact Ray spends most of his time pointing out historical examples of people and movements that USE the Bible wrongly and incompletely, which leads to fear, anger and death. Here is one example:

www.youtube.com/watch? v=7y2KsU_dhwI

The above is a bit long (33 min) and produced by Ray Comfort. So if you are honest, you will watch it and should conclude Ray Comfort is no KKK anti- abortion sniper killer.

All that you posted in the quote box is true except for McVeigh. He never professed to be a Christian. Even so all of the above you posted are not Christians given they do not meet the standards set forth by Jesus Christ and His apostles. Any small deviation from the true Gospel preached by The Master and His apostles is false and leads to sin, leads to hate and violence.

I hope you enjoy the video.

God Bless,

RLH

redleghunter  posted on  2012-07-25   13:39:57 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: redleghunter (#17)

Let me be the first to confirm that Ray Comfort is no where near or even in the same galaxy with the murderers you posted above.

I never suggested he was.

I'm merely pointing out that all murderers are not unbelievers and sometimes people do murder in the name of god.

jwpegler  posted on  2012-07-25   14:45:52 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: jwpegler (#18)

I'm merely pointing out that all murderers are not unbelievers and sometimes people do murder in the name of god.

I think we approach the issue differently. I am a Christian. I am at peace with God, which empowers me to be at peace with fellow man. Those that belong to the Good Shepherd hear His Voice and listen to Him. Those that claim to be of the Good Shepherd and do murder in His name, do not belong to the Good Shepherd but to the adversary, the devil. So all those horrible things we know of, a name may be invoked but the works are not done in the only Name. That is why I posted the 180 movie for review. Ray Comfort points out that Hitler actually used portions of the Bible to "justify" his actions. Ray points out this has been done throughout history wrongly and truly not in God's Name.

redleghunter  posted on  2012-07-25   15:15:55 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: redleghunter (#19) (Edited)

Those that claim to be of the Good Shepherd and do murder in His name, do not belong to the Good Shepherd but to the adversary, the devil

Let me make a couple of points.

The host of this forum believes that the people who murdered abortion doctors are true heroes. He said so on this thread. Does he belong to the devil? I don't think so. I believe that A K A Stone is a real Christian. How about John Brown who murdered people to free slaves, and was hung as a terrorist? Did he belong to the devil as well?

You can't know what is in someone's heart.

My really simple point (that no one on this thread seems to understand) is there are all kinds of murderers in the world, including people who truly believe in god.

I'm an old adage kind of guy. One of my favorites is: "the road to hell is paved with good intentions".

Unfortunately, the author seems to think that if we just all believed in god, then everything will be fine. It's just not true. We are all infallible humans who are capable of doing horrific things, often times with the best of intentions -- especially when we think we are absolutely right.

jwpegler  posted on  2012-07-25   19:31:07 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: jwpegler (#24)

Unfortunately, the author seems to think that if we just all believed in god, then everything will be fine.

Man's history is littered with instances of evil being perpetrated on other men all in the name of God, and it will continue to happen no matter what you do... Now whether or not some of those men who did those horrible things "TRULY" believed in God remains to be seen....

Just because someone is religious doesn't mean they're righteous or moral... And just because someone isn't religious doesn't mean they can't be righteous or moral!!

CZ82  posted on  2012-07-26   7:13:06 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#26. To: CZ82 (#25)

Just because someone is religious doesn't mean they're righteous or moral... And just because someone isn't religious doesn't mean they can't be righteous or moral!!

Exactly right.

jwpegler  posted on  2012-07-26 09:26:45 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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