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Title: How Can Situations Like The Colorado Theatre Shooting Be Prevented?
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Published: Jul 24, 2012
Author: Dennis Marcellino
Post Date: 2012-07-24 08:00:32 by CZ82
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How Can Situations Like The Colorado Theatre Shooting Be Prevented? Written on Saturday, July 21, 2012 by Dennis Marcellino Why didn’t these things happen in the 1950’s? Why didn’t we need airport screenings then? Why didn’t people need to lock their house or car doors then? The answer is simple. There was more order then (especially in families) … which then naturally released more love and peace and security. I lived through it so I know that to be true personally. But a person can verify what I’m saying by listening to the music back then and watching the TV shows and movies. There was a different feeling in the air … even in the most impoverished communities. There was a patriotism in a country that we could be proud of and be united behind. Can we really be proud of today’s music and morals? Here’s what it boils down to. There is a greater tolerance for “sin” now. And the natural, inbred reaction to sin is anger … to “correct” it and to implement “justice.” But political correctness has not only forced people to swallow that sin, but they even are arrested or sued for trying to speak out against it. But then at some point it explodes … in situations like these and domestic violence, even to the point where adults murder their families. We’re seeing it more and more in the news, whereas I never saw it in the news when I was growing up. The immorality of today’s society has made it very difficult to create and maintain a good marriage and family. And the feelings tied to marriage and family are VERY powerful … and therefore the anger to correct also is great. The pressures of today are much greater. And pressure has to be released. But the love in a family helped people in the past. That’s why there weren’t a lot of gang murders, even in the black communities, where women were respected and people dressed nice and worked hard. But more than anything, God and His laws were respected above all else. But now we have rampant pornography and out of wedlock births. And those things tear at the family and cause the greatest pressure … in a person’s heart. So then a person either turns to violence or addictions to try to bring their internal experience to a good and not bad state. And poverty isn’t an excuse, because people were still generally civil even in the great depression. And in the Bible Paul says that he has learned to be content whether in poverty or riches. As a person who is devoted to God, I know that to also be true personally. I’m content in all situations JUST because I’m tied to and understand God. The solution is this: a happy heart doesn’t do violence. And the way to have a happy heart is to love and obey God and just be tied to people who do the same. It’s that simple. But the mainstream institutions constantly work to keep God out of the media and schools. So then kids are pressured to go along with the mainstream. So what can we do? Don’t vote for a democrat. That party is the party that promotes more and more tolerance to sin. And educate yourself and others to the realities that I’ve stated here.
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Bring the USSA troops from ALL 177 + Nations home Right Now. Slash the USSA Military budget by 1/2. Eliminate Cars while the Train System explodes. And of course the LAst mission of the DoD is to go to the Offshore Tax Havens and Forcibly take back the $21 Trillion.....;} And many other solutions would auto follow, such as more intimate social contacts that would be able to follow a drug addled sociopath... loading ballistic NATO armor and enough firepower to do 5th Gen Warfare.....;} But Nothing will be done.....humans will descend to a more stable state now.
And he was doing so well, up to this point! He meant to say... Don't vote for a democrat, or a republican. One party, two evil branches.
Obama's watch stopped on 24 May 2008, but he's been too busy smoking crack to notice.
Romney isn't that great. But only a moron would say they are the same.
They. Are. The. Same. Gun Control....same. Offshore Tax Haven....same. Military....same. Israel....same. Finance....same. Bottom 99%....Any difference is minimal...see Obama/RomneyCare for details.... ;} "Obama: Shooting People “Evil … Senseless” by Jay Janson June 22, 2012 - While reading the text of Obama Statement on Shootings in Colorado, one line struck this writer as quite astounding: "We may never understand what leads anybody to terrorize their fellow human beings like this. Such violence, such evil is senseless. It’s beyond reason." The President may have realized afterward that since he has been ordering the shooting of thousands in a half-dozen countries, the words "evil, senseless, beyond reason" could easily reflect back on himself. A later Obama statement on the massacre in a Colorado movie house did not contain the words "evil," "senseless," "violence beyond reason." ..
Once you've stooped to the level of voting for GLAAD donating gay muppets, Boy Scout molesting pedophiles like Mitt and Obama, there's no difference. Obama's watch stopped on 24 May 2008, but he's been too busy smoking crack to notice.
Excellent summary of the problem. Instead os banning weapons, ban most of the Hollywood-elite movies. Few are even worth watching, much less paying money for. This guy said he was influenced by this movie - so why isn't the liberal left clamoring for some sort of control over what their cohorts in Hollywood put out?
Israel....same. Finance....same Not hardly. Obama will have the destruction of the US complete in a couple more years - just look at what he's done in 3.5. With Romney, it will take longer. And with a conservative House and Senate to deal with, we may be able to stem the tide and even reverse the trend. Highly unlikely b/c the Senate is rarely conservative, but it's our only hope. What is your solution? Or do you just want to complain and watch the country go over a cliff while you sip your adult beverage in your lawn chair?
Israel....same. Finance....same Not hardly. On those three?....EXACTLY....;}
Ny solution? Why thank you very much for asking Seren....;} First: Complaining accomplishes nothing. And I'm not complaining. I'm informing. While Standing. Holding. Waiting for the USSA to burn itself out. And have been from the Days before Reagan was elected. Insurgencies as a rule generally last about 35 years....;} Then looking for Local Control to re assert. It's 1914, 1938, 1963 all over again, as the Top 400-50 000 have run out of arheuments and all they have left is violence. Israel is the cat's paw. Iran has nukes and is waiting for Israel to make it s final mistake.
And USSAns could do worse And the country HAS gone over the cliff (Xmas 2007) It's being kept on life support for the benefit of the Top 1%....;}
Absolutely true,but that is only half of the story. Back in the 50's people who were mentally disturbed were locked away in mental institutions. These people don't just suddenly spring up from out of nowhere as adults,they have been disturbed their whole lives,and their families,teachers,and friends all knew it. Then in the 1960's the ACLU with backing from people intent on destroying America won a court case put before a leftist court that stated locking mentally disturbed people away who were thought to be dangerous but had not YET hurt anyone violated their Constitutional RIGHT to be mentally disturbed and danerous,so the looney bins were emptied. The result are still seen today,with the streets of cities loaded with homeless people who die from disease and exposure to the weather while suffering greatly the whole time. Occasionally one of the loons will get angry at the world over his condition,and he strikes out to get even with the world. The other reason is VERY closely related. Back in the 1950's if you were caught committing a violent crime,you WERE going to go to jail,and you WERE going to serve your time,period. Then the ACLU decided the prisons were overcrowded and this violated the right of the people who had never shown the slightest bit of concern about the rights of anyone else,so they started early-release programs for good behavior. Which is entirely counter-productive because what you are teaching these people then is that they can get out of prison early and escape doing their time if they just learn how to behave in prison. The message that SHOULD be sent is "You WILL behave in prison because that is what people are expected to do in society in order to keep jobs,raise families,and live normal,peaceful lives,and because if you don't,ADDITIONAL time will be added to the sentence you are already serving." In other words,people in the 1950's understood that actions have consequences,and bad actions result in bad consequences. By the mid-1960's people were expecting NO consequences from bad behavior,other than maybe some free meds and a disability check. All this can be laid directly at the feet of the Dim appointees to the Supreme Court in the 40's and 50's.
"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011 Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs Steve Jobs,life-long Dim,and major Barry Soetoro supporter.
He meant to say... Don't vote for a democrat, or a republican. Yeah,but that ain't going to happen. The Thumpers see themselves taking over complete control of the alleged Republican Party,and making it "God's Party". Of course,those of us who are sane and have read a little history know that if they are ever successful,the in-fighting by the various cults will start the next day,and bodies will start popping up all over.
"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011 Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs Steve Jobs,life-long Dim,and major Barry Soetoro supporter.
They have more rights than me or you.... And if they don't want their nutcracker dicussing their problems with the family, then the family has "NO" right to know about their illness or treatment....
Choosing and voting for a presidential candidate is like picking which STD you want to suffer from….
No,they're not! One group has a leader that is slightly darker than the other group,and the other group has a leader that is slightly whiter than the leader of the other group. On top of that,one group is pro-worker,and the other group is anti-worker,one group loves everybody,and the only group only loves rich whites. See how easy it is to play the "divide and conquer" game?
"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011 Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs Steve Jobs,life-long Dim,and major Barry Soetoro supporter.
They are good at it because, unfortunately, it works.
Massachusetts Mitt will have the votes from a compliant House and Senate to do more to destroy our country in 4 years than Obama could do in 40 years with a House and Senate blocking his every move for partisan reasons.
"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011 Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs Steve Jobs,life-long Dim,and major Barry Soetoro supporter.
What's with this "we" stuff,white man?
"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011 Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs Steve Jobs,life-long Dim,and major Barry Soetoro supporter.
On top of that,one group is pro-worker,and the other group is anti-worker,one group loves everybody,and the only group only loves rich whites. See how easy it is to play the "divide and conquer" game? That is some funny sh*t right there.
Here I thought you were paying attention...That makes no sense. Carry on...
Hilarious! Great catch.
I AM paying attention. At this point our ONLY hope is gridlock,and we ain't going to get gridlock with Massachusetts Mitt. A Republican-controlled House and Senate will rubber stamp anything he proposes in the name of Party Unity. IF we can get gridlock,we MIGHT be able to hold on to the Constitution and our sovereign status until the alleged Republican party collapses from cronyism and corruption,and a actual opposition party rises from the ashes. What we have right now are two branches of the same party.
"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011 Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs Steve Jobs,life-long Dim,and major Barry Soetoro supporter.
And along with the 1960s came the war on poverty, which effectively removed black men from the black families. And then the 70s saw a government endorsing women killing their unborn children. That has to have an effect on society--subconsciously, of course, when even the mother, the nurturer of society, is ok to off the most innocent beings. And while you might not agree, pete, there was and still is the on-going attempt to completely wipe God out of the public square. I don't recall which founding father said it, but one of them said that the Constitution was written for a godly citizenry. And then all these video games/arcade games based on killing, killing, killing...scores on the numbers killed. The videos are addictive. The sounds and sights and such are mesmerizing and are just like the slot machines in casinos where addicted gamblers play mindlessly. I have actually witnessed that last scenario. I would imagine a group could get together and come up with a great list of things which have brought about the ills of the nation. One thing I find interesting is the time frame. As I recall, back before the 1994 takeover of the house by the GOP, the Dems had been in control for some 40 years.......and those 40 years coincide with the destructive events we're describing here.
Dee,the truth is this has always been done,ever since the dawn of time. There are only two differences. One real difference is in days of yore it was midwives smothering the babies,not doctors with a needle. That's why you didn't seem many deformed or crippled kids back in the 50's and earlier. They "died at birth". Working class people back then,especially ones in rural and farm communities just couldn't afford,in ANY sense of the word,a child that couldn't work and contribute to the family. The other difference is healthy babies weren't smothered at birth. They were mostly cherished by the parents,and if they parents didn't want them,they put them up for adoption to people who would cherish them.
"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011 Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs Steve Jobs,life-long Dim,and major Barry Soetoro supporter.
No. It only looks like it does. Every Empire tries it. Every Empire dies.....;} Only when the lion learns to write will the hunter no longer be a hero....;}
They both seek what's best for the Top 1%. They. Are. The. Same. Gun Control....same. Offshore Tax Haven....same. Military....same. Israel....same. Finance....same. Bottom 99%....Any difference is minimal...see Obama/RomneyCare for details.... ;} "Obama: Shooting People “Evil … Senseless” by Jay Janson June 22, 2012 - While reading the text of Obama Statement on Shootings in Colorado, one line struck this writer as quite astounding: "We may never understand what leads anybody to terrorize their fellow human beings like this. Such violence, such evil is senseless. It’s beyond reason." The President may have realized afterward that since he has been ordering the shooting of thousands in a half-dozen countries, the words "evil, senseless, beyond reason" could easily reflect back on himself. A later Obama statement on the massacre in a Colorado movie house did not contain the words "evil," "senseless," "violence beyond reason." ..
The First thing either will do in the WH... Renew the ongoing State of Emergency decree of September 14, 2001.
If what you say is true, it was not goverment sanctioned as today; nor was it passed around in open society discussions, and certainly not demanded by a bunch of yowling wimmen about some 'right' they had to choose to kill their unborn. There is a BIG difference in the scenario you present as being the norm back in those days. I personally don't buy that this was routinely done. I concede that there has always been evil flaws in mankind and wouldn't swear it never happened.
Hollywood and the state run media (some call the MSM) don't want you to believe their products have anything to do with Holmes. The murderer dressed up like a character, was a "fan" of the movie series and chose to do the shooting at the opening of the latest movie in the series. A clear minded person would come to the conclusion the movie series, aka Hollywood and the media that promoted the movie series, would be a contributing factor. But instead they tried to blame lawful gun owners and the Tea Party, and talk radio. They, Hollywood, know it, we know it and they think we are all stupid not to realize what is clear.
As iron sharpens iron, So a man sharpens the countenance of his friend. -Proverbs 27:17 (NKJV)
Of course,those of us who are sane and have read a little history know that if they are ever successful,the in-fighting by the various cults will start the next day,and bodies will start popping up all over. Pete, bravo on your post #11, but your post above and the bunk on smothering babies to death in your post to Rowdee you lose the bubble. In post #11 you clearly outline the destruction the liberal courts of the 60s and 70s produced. Might I add what Rowdee makes a good point about? In those same years the same cloaked judges ruled the Bible could not be taught in school and that prayer was offensive, even voluntary prayer in schools. There is a connection but because you personally dismiss faith in God, you dismiss the court cases pushing God out of the American dialogue.
As iron sharpens iron, So a man sharpens the countenance of his friend. -Proverbs 27:17 (NKJV)
Why wouldn't it be true? My own mother told me about this when I was a child. She had witnessed this happen when the older woman across the street gave birth to a monster back in the early 40's. She said the child was smothered at birth,and the woman who gave birth was told it was stillborn. it was not goverment sanctioned as today; No it wasn't,but what difference does that make? The results are the same. nor was it passed around in open society discussions, So what? The truth is often ugly,which is why so many people lie. Granted,they are polite lies (you baby was stillborn) designed to spare someone's feelings,but lies none the less. and certainly not demanded by a bunch of yowling wimmen about some 'right' they had to choose to kill their unborn. Wrong. While there was no yowling involved,there damn sure would have been if some of those babies had been allowed to live,and that's not even addressing the burden caring for such a child would have laid on the family. I personally don't buy that this was routinely done. Of course you don't. It conflicts with YOUR view on what is politically correct. We all have our blind spots,including you and I. The truth is even worse than that. Just a few hundred years ago living children were being left out in the cold to die in seasons where the crops had failed and the game was scarce. Just because people didn't talk about doesn't mean it didn't happen.
"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011 Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs Steve Jobs,life-long Dim,and major Barry Soetoro supporter.
Good for them. Schools are no place for the violence and pornography that is in the Bible. Not to mention the FACT that people like you will INSIST it be presented as established fact instead of fiction. and that prayer was offensive, even voluntary prayer in schools. There is no such critter is voluntary prayer in schools when the prayer is led by the teachers,AND TRUE voluntary prayer is not and never has been banned in schools. You're just pissed because it can't be organized and peer pressure and the dominating influence of the teachers can't be used as tools to try to convert non-believers. There is a connection but because you personally dismiss faith in God, you dismiss the court cases pushing God out of the American dialogue. Mythical creatures don't BELONG in the dialogue when discussing the laws of our nation. This is America,not Jerusalem,Vatican City,or Mecca.
"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011 Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs Steve Jobs,life-long Dim,and major Barry Soetoro supporter.
You make the experience your mother witnessed seem like "normal" for all society. It was not. For every smothered and murdered deformed or mentally retarded baby there were 100s of thousands that were not and put in homes or cared for by the families. Back then there were plenty of church run and faith run homes where such children were properly cared for if the parents could not do it. One such home was a few blocks from my house. There I witnessed over 50 kids in wheel chairs with the most horrible deformities watch me and my friends play baseball on their grounds. Then there was a good classmate in my middle school. Had MD, went to regular classes and lived until he was 13. That little spark plug fought every day to breathe and he wanted to live and gave it his best. So the murderous midwives will have to give account for their deeds on the Last Day. And if they have not repented, it will be most horrible for them. On the other hand, I am sure your mom did the right thing and reported the murderous bitch who smothered the babies at birth.
As iron sharpens iron, So a man sharpens the countenance of his friend. -Proverbs 27:17 (NKJV)
So you think these midwives were doing the family a favor by murdering their children? And you approve of this? What a way to "play god" now isnt' it? But I can see this happening when parents, midwives and posters have no moral absolutes.
As iron sharpens iron, So a man sharpens the countenance of his friend. -Proverbs 27:17 (NKJV)
My own great grandparents who were farmers in Texas, had something like 13 o 14 kids; had a deformed son.....they didn't kill Ira....and that Great Grandpa was no 'thumper' or holy roller. So, we each have a story to hold up our view. The difference re government approval of abortions: because it is the 'legal' jurisdiction under which people live that is saying 'go kill your kid with our blessing'........this has to send a message that life isn't worth much. Back then, people didn't have the mindset that an elderly grandparent or aunt or a deformed child was a 'burden'. It was how the cards were dealt and you played that hand compared to today where 'it isn't fair'is the attitude that I have to deal with anything but myself, me , me, me. There were times when some could be sent to the poor or alms houses, and some to medical institutions. Life experiences can shade or color our opinions. I had a neighbor in the mid 1960s who went to Mexico and had an abortion. The only way we found out was that she nearly bled to death after returning. Fortunately her brother who was a sailor came up from San Diego for the weekend and found her and got her to the hospital in time. Nice gal. Flight attendant.
There is no such critter is voluntary prayer in schools when the prayer is led by the teachers,AND TRUE voluntary prayer is not and never has been banned in schools. You're just pissed because it can't be organized and peer pressure and the dominating influence of the teachers can't be used as tools to try to convert non-believers. Mythical creatures don't BELONG in the dialogue when discussing the laws of our nation. This is America,not Jerusalem,Vatican City,or Mecca. Disregarding your lack of knowing what is actually going on in schools (I do know because I am active in the local schools), I think you have it backwards. You cannot bring yourself to the fact that this nation was founded on Christian principles. When those principles were banned from our teaching of youth, society quickly went in the crapper. There is a true cause and effect you will igore, because you have a deep hatred for those who believe in God and worship Him. Let's go back to your wonderful post #11 when it seemed people knew right from wrong and how to keep bad people from hurting lawful citizens. You said "back in the 50s" "we" knew better, society knew better. It was not some humanistic secular book of "norms" or "rules" that made it that way. No, it was a nation that still revered and believed in God. I would even go the length that by the 50s, maybe most folks did not truly revere in God or believe in God, but their parents did, and their parents taught the next generation right and wrong based on their faith. So in effect the 50s and some of the 60s those growing up knew right from wrong and what "right" looked like but did not know "why" it was right only that their parents and church told them so. So since that next generation did not know the "why" they did not teach it to their kids because they could not explain it. That is why we are in the crapper now. That is why folks give opinions but they cannot cite why they believe something. That is why instead of one standard of morals there are millions, because everyone is their own 'god' and everything is relative. Everyone has truly become an island "entire of itself." And those islands stink, they are corrupt, murderous and heavily medicated. And those islands choose this pain, anger and fear because they deny or reject The Remedy to their ills.
As iron sharpens iron, So a man sharpens the countenance of his friend. -Proverbs 27:17 (NKJV)
Back then, people didn't have the mindset that an elderky grandparent or aunt or a deformed child was a 'burden'. It was how the cards were dealt and you played that hand compared to today where 'it isn't fair'is the attitude that I have to deal with anything but myself, me , me, me. There were times when some could be sent to the poor or alms houses, and some to medical institutions. Good post. I agree.
As iron sharpens iron, So a man sharpens the countenance of his friend. -Proverbs 27:17 (NKJV)
And the truth is even worse than that. Back in the days of Rome, the husband/father had complete control of his offspring. If he didn't want a child, it was thumbs down, and they were discarded alongside the road, in the trash pile or whatever. And we have some evil, evil people in the USA today who are saying we should have this same ability in todays world! Preposterous! Right? Well, who would have thunk 20 years ago queers would be getting married? Or our military would be proudly display queers in parades? Or that whites are the haters, and blacks are incapable of that? Or teaching kids how to put condoms on bananas in school is called sex education? Or that schools insteading of teaching reading, writing, and arithmetic are teaching that Heather has 2 Mommies, and that Adam and Steve are normal, just like you (the child)?
Yeah,it was. If I'm wrong,direct me to all the photos of deformed children. Children with birth defects has no chance of providing for themselves. They were a luxury people just couldn't afford. For every smothered and murdered deformed or mentally retarded baby there were 100s of thousands that were not and put in homes or cared for by the families. Where is the evidence of this. I only know of ONE,and he was the only child of a upper middle-class family. He was born with a deformed arm. Basically,his left hand was attached to his elbow and it was dead. Never grew and never had any motion. BTW,how can you look at a newborn and tell he or she is retarded? Or did you just throw that in for emotional reasons? Back then there were plenty of church run and faith run homes where such children were properly cared for if the parents could not do it. MORE nonsense. These existed ONLY in the larger cities,and prior to the 1950's most Americans lived in rural areas. So the murderous midwives will have to give account for their deeds on the Last Day. And if they have not repented, it will be most horrible for them. Your kind and loving God is going to torture them for all of eternity,right? On the other hand, I am sure your mom did the right thing and reported the murderous bitch who smothered the babies at birth. Yes,she did the right thing,and kept her mouth shut about it,just like women have done since the dawn of time.
"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011 Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs Steve Jobs,life-long Dim,and major Barry Soetoro supporter.
Of course. You are applying modern sensibilities to older realities,and feeling righteous about it. Tell us all about how YOU would take the food out of the mouth of a healthy child that was able to do the work necessary to help keep a family alive,to give it to a unhealthy/handicapped child that would never be anything but a burden on the family and the whole "tribe". And you approve of this? Where did I say this,and what does my approval OR disapproval have to do with incidents that happened decades to tens of thousands of years ago? In case you haven't noticed,conditions have changed from what they used to be even 50 years ago,never mind 500 years ago. But I can see this happening when parents, midwives and posters have no moral absolutes. What *I* see is people posing with "holier than thou" personalities because they have the ability to block out reality and replace it with "feelings" like the left has.
"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011 Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs Steve Jobs,life-long Dim,and major Barry Soetoro supporter.
They clearly had the luxury of being able to afford to support a deformed son because of all the healthy sons they had,plus their established position as successful farmers. Good for them! That wasn't everyone's reality,though. Back then, people didn't have the mindset that an elderky grandparent or aunt or a deformed child was a 'burden'. Correction: People with the LUXURY of having living conditions that allowed them to provide for the elderly didn't worry about providing for someone elderly and unable to work. For example,the Eskimos had a tradition of leaving their elderly out on the ice alone when the village had to pack up and move to fresher hunting grounds. Life experiences can shade or color our opinions. So can recorded history if you open your mind to the possibility of more than one reality.
"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011 Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs Steve Jobs,life-long Dim,and major Barry Soetoro supporter.
Because it's NOT a fact. We not only DON'T have a religious government,the FF's wee specific about the separation of Church and State. There is a true cause and effect you will igore, because you have a deep hatred for those who believe in God and worship Him. You have that backwards. It is the true believers that have a deep hatred for non-believers. Why not just come out and damn me to burn in hell fire for eternity while you are at it? We all know that is what you are thinking. After all,doesn't your kind and loving God say this is what happens to non-believers that don't kiss his ass and the asses of the asses that represent him? No, it was a nation that still revered and believed in God. Horseshit.
"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011 Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs Steve Jobs,life-long Dim,and major Barry Soetoro supporter.
By the time I finished reading the bolded part of the quote, my mind was thinking they were gonna say 'white man--its a racist shooting'!! LOL.....dumb, I know, but to their little minds, it would relieve any guilt pointing their way.
There has never been a shortage of evil,self-serving people in all of recorded history,and not much chance of them ever being in short supply. Well, who would have thunk 20 years ago queers would be getting married? Queers. Or teaching kids how to put condoms on bananas in school is called sex education? Do you REALLY object to kids being taught how to avoid catching VD ? SERIOUSLY?
"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011 Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs Steve Jobs,life-long Dim,and major Barry Soetoro supporter.
I, for one, Pete, don't want any teachers leading prayer in school. They've screwed up the subjects they supposedly trained to teach. I cannot believe they would somehow do a fantastic job on something they seemingly know so little about. JMO. Regarding the Bible with violence and sacrifices and such......history is replete with nations doing violence, sacrifices, and such-- ancient times, and in modern times. History books contain stories, as do many library books and magazine and newspaper articles....and now the internet. Archaeology is full of such findings--do we toss out anything archaeology teaches us? burn all those books, newspapers, and magazines? Delete the internet?
I believe you may be overspeaking here, redleghunter. i've known Pete for many, many years (like 12 years or so) and not known him as a hater. I know full well he has no use for religion, but he knows I am a Christian and that hasn't jarred our friendship. However, you may have a different frame of reference for a different reason.
Sam and Beulah had l son die at birth; and one other son that grew to adulthood besides Ira. All the rest of the passel of kids were girls. And I think they had something like 40 acres in a not so wealthy part of Texas. And her grandmother was a midwife and her grandfather a Doctor, though he had been shot to death many years before while out on a house call. Just yesterday while researching a different family line, I came across a notation that one of the daughters 'had a limp' from birth; that she never married; she lived with her parents; and was buried next to them when she died. This was a family of 6 kids IIRC and was in Alabama or Georgia. I also have the sister of Beulah who was crippled in some way, never married, and is buried beside her parents in Oklahoma. That was a family of 14 kids, of which 4 were boys and John and Janie were NOT wealthy by any stretch. I can also say that one finds this sort of information all the time in going thru family histories. And on census forms you oftentimes come across 'schools' or 'institutions' that have a lot of children in them with notations of their condition. I haven't done a census research project regarding the matter of rural vs city living. However, it is difficult to believe that more people lived in rural places when you consider that states like Montana (3rd or 4th largest) and Idaho have existed all their statehood years without attaining a million people (unless it has been done with this last census) vs NYC alone having millions; ditto LA, Houston, Louisiana, San Francisco, Chicago, Atlantas, Philadelphia, and Pittsburg, and Detroit. Agriculture has been on a steady downhill course since the early part of the last century.
Not by a public education teacher! It belongs in the home. That's what a father is for--to direct and guide his son through high growing up, formative years. Government has no place in that. They can't even control themselves, so what would make me think they could do a good job with my child?
Children with birth defects has no chance of providing for themselves. They were a luxury people just couldn't afford. For every smothered and murdered deformed or mentally retarded baby there were 100s of thousands that were not and put in homes or cared for by the families. Where is the evidence of this. I only know of ONE,and he was the only child of a upper middle-class family. He was born with a deformed arm. Basically,his left hand was attached to his elbow and it was dead. Never grew and never had any motion. BTW,how can you look at a newborn and tell he or she is retarded? Or did you just throw that in for emotional reasons? Back then there were plenty of church run and faith run homes where such children were properly cared for if the parents could not do it. MORE nonsense. These existed ONLY in the larger cities,and prior to the 1950's most Americans lived in rural areas. So the murderous midwives will have to give account for their deeds on the Last Day. And if they have not repented, it will be most horrible for them. Your kind and loving God is going to torture them for all of eternity,right? On the other hand, I am sure your mom did the right thing and reported the murderous bitch who smothered the babies at birth. Yes,she did the right thing,and kept her mouth shut about it,just like women have done since the dawn of time. You can stick your head in the sand if you want but deformed children were born, have been born and continue to be born and live. Midwives and nurses know by simple response tests if a child is mentally retarded or Downs. I don't know what house of horrors you grew up in or what "children of the corn" town you resided, but your generalizations are bunk. It is clear you condone the murder of deformed children. You clearly lay out why you support the wholesale murder of those who are deformed. It is all financial and convenience related. Same bogus claim the abortionists give today. Don't know where you get from my statements that God is going to torture deformed murdered by midwives babies. Those are your words, my words referred to the murderers who would put themselves above God to be their own god to make decisions on who should or should not live. The test of a just society is how they treat those with lesser means and those who cannot help themselves. Your "children of the corn" horror house town fails this test.
As iron sharpens iron, So a man sharpens the countenance of his friend. -Proverbs 27:17 (NKJV)
Tell us all about how YOU would take the food out of the mouth of a healthy child that was able to do the work necessary to help keep a family alive,to give it to a unhealthy/handicapped child that would never be anything but a burden on the family and the whole "tribe". And you approve of this? Where did I say this,and what does my approval OR disapproval have to do with incidents that happened decades to tens of thousands of years ago? In case you haven't noticed,conditions have changed from what they used to be even 50 years ago,never mind 500 years ago. But I can see this happening when parents, midwives and posters have no moral absolutes. What *I* see is people posing with "holier than thou" personalities because they have the ability to block out reality and replace it with "feelings" like the left has. Your posts clearly indicate you approve of the murdering of newborns who do not meet a particular standard. It has nothing to do with "holier than thou", on the other hand it has to do with obeying God's commands and Words. This has nothing to do with "feelings." It has to do with revering God and His Creation. My position is firmly tied to an absolute. You do not kill an innocent life. You do not murder. What the midwife did and your mother condoned was murder. Those that did and condoned the murder did so because they feared their lives would be changed and inconvenienced. That is selfishness and shows those people had no hope or faith in anything other than themselves. Your far out country example does not hold water. Country folk back then had cars or trucks. They had the ability to drive to the pastor or priest for help and get a deformed child to the proper care. "Tell us all about how YOU would take the food out of the mouth of a healthy child that was able to do the work necessary to help keep a family alive,to give it to a unhealthy/handicapped child that would never be anything but a burden on the family and the whole "tribe"." Your above position is clear. But at what age is the "cut off" point for smothering. Suppose the child is 3 years old and developed cancer. Did your family "ville" just drown the kid in the pond or did they try to get the kid help? Was that sensible or did they lock the kid in the basement until he or she died? Did they suffocate granny because she was going to die soon anyway and needed her food for the healthy baby? How absurd and telling this "ville" was and what it produced.
As iron sharpens iron, So a man sharpens the countenance of his friend. -Proverbs 27:17 (NKJV)
There is a true cause and effect you will igore, because you have a deep hatred for those who believe in God and worship Him. You have that backwards. It is the true believers that have a deep hatred for non-believers. Why not just come out and damn me to burn in hell fire for eternity while you are at it? We all know that is what you are thinking. After all,doesn't your kind and loving God say this is what happens to non-believers that don't kiss his ass and the asses of the asses that represent him? No, it was a nation that still revered and believed in God. Horseshit. You keep saying we are not built on Christian principles, I provided numerous references and you could not find one jot in response other than your opinion. I don't hate you, nor do I want to see you punished eternally. I can't do any of what you claim above, only God can. He is the Judge. My job is to point people to His Word. If they ignore or reject, the blood is not on my hands.
As iron sharpens iron, So a man sharpens the countenance of his friend. -Proverbs 27:17 (NKJV)
And those are the recorded accounts of families taking care of their own and working with the hand dealt to them. Even my mother growing up on a dirt poor Irish farm told me about the relatives who had conditions like the ones above. Never did murder come into the mind. Those with less abilities were loved more and protected more. She used to tell us that some winters were lean on food, but on a farm, even a poor farm, you always find ways to feed the clan.
As iron sharpens iron, So a man sharpens the countenance of his friend. -Proverbs 27:17 (NKJV)
Farmers wives could make filling, good tasting meals out of a little lard, flour, milk, and maybe a swish of a cow's tail through it. I lived my first 9 years in farming country. My mother could cook. When we moved to the big city, even in the toughest of times, we always had food on the table--wasn't caviar by any stretch, or filet minon, but downright good tasting and filling. When my elderly mother finally decided to move up here to be near my brother and I, we were both so excited because we couldn't wait to taste her fried chicken again. I've eaten a lot of fried chicken in my time, but hers was simply the best. Toss in some milk gravy and mashed potatoes--yeah, some of her biscuits, too, and you'd be thinking you were already in heaven.
I like Lees Famous Recipe.
I sure can't argue with that.
"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011 Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs Steve Jobs,life-long Dim,and major Barry Soetoro supporter.
And why would it? I would never presume to tell you or anyone else that you can't be religious or what your religious beliefs have to be. We are free to be anything we want in this country as long as we aren't harming anyone else,and I wouldn't change that even if I could. Just look at how boring life would be if you only talked with people that agreed with you on everything.
"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011 Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs Steve Jobs,life-long Dim,and major Barry Soetoro supporter.
I agree,but we can't overlook the fact that a awful lot of boys don't have a father at home to coach them on anything,and sadly,it seems like a lot of today's mothers just can't be bothered to try to teach their children anything. And I think you would have to agree that trying to stop the spread of VD is a genuine public interest. They can,they just don't want to.
"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011 Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs Steve Jobs,life-long Dim,and major Barry Soetoro supporter.
Of course they are. I'd be willing to bet a bigger percentage are born and live today than at any other time in history,other than the short period in the 50's when some drug was given to pregnant women. That one drug whose name I can't remember right now had nightmare results. They do now,but historically they didn't. I don't know what house of horrors you grew up in or what "children of the corn" town you resided, .... "Children of the corn"? Really? What does your loving God have to say about things like that? It is clear you condone the murder of deformed children. It is clear you are a idiot. You clearly lay out why you support the wholesale murder of those who are deformed. It is all financial and convenience related. Same bogus claim the abortionists give today. Also you are either a liar,or too stupid to recognize the difference between reporting/commenting and promoting. I'll leave it to you to pick one.
"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011 Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs Steve Jobs,life-long Dim,and major Barry Soetoro supporter.
And your posts prove why you need a religious leader to tell you how to think. Otherwise you would be playing in the traffic.
"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011 Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs Steve Jobs,life-long Dim,and major Barry Soetoro supporter.
The Love Police - Societal Controls
What a stupid thing to say. He never said one thing about condoning it. Ridiculous. Why are you lying about what he said?
. Hey Mike! Many of us can't see the video you posted. Maybe, you could be a smart poster and post the REAL link to the content of your post. What the HELL are you doing without an explicit ASCII link, anyway?
There you go, sunshine.
You don't understand the way posts work, do you? Especially when you propagate an intentional video or picture with many folks that KNOW you understand how to post?! I don't see any of that CRAP. I ONLY see ASCII text.
Google "love police" and you will find Charlie's site. I am completely disinterested in your alleged consternation. Thank you for sharing though. ;-)
No ASCII post for personal opinion? FUCK YOU!
Not today thanks. All the strippers and street walkers on strike down there are they?
Yo Holmes! What's the happs? I shouldn't use that Holmes name...with the shooting and all.
Obviously, you know something that deserves a thread of pictures and videos without personal comment. What is your personal comment, Mike? Do you have any other comment about yourself or personal perspective other than riding a bike and going to college and loving Eugene, OR, USA and voting fr 0bama other than WAYYYYYY BACK in your personal history..... you climbed a tree and was hacked?
Désolé mec, je ne parle pas anglais.
Not much. Good to see you and hope your summer is going spiffy.
Ahhhhh... such an ashamed attribute about yourself that you don't understand simple poster comments, when there is criticism about your fucked-upped posts. Lets complain to .... I know .... I know .. Moderator X.. she shall fix you up REAL TIME!
Women should be involved, too. Absolutely. I had a dear friend who was more of a father to her two sons than their own father was. The boys got to where they wouldn't even bother to ask their Dad about anything because they never kinew how he'd respond. Those boys talked to Diane about everything, and I mean everything. It takes caring.
I didn't say anything about VD. I prefer that it be taught at home, too. And again, for the same reason. We'll never have a perfect world, but that doesn't mean we should stop trying and 'just let gubmint do it'.
You're probably thinking of thalidomide...babies born without limbs sorts of things. This drug was given to women who experienced morning sickness, as I recall.
There is a lot more involved in this centrist idea that both the ONE and ONLY Republican/Democratic Party wants to admit. They have categorically: removed the idea of individual liberty concerning formal educational efforts about the once worthwhile nation other than direct control from a statist, centrist government.
I am holier then you Sneakypeter.
And it takes someone the children are able to respect.
"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011 Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs Steve Jobs,life-long Dim,and major Barry Soetoro supporter.
What's wrong with BOTH approaches? The good parents that work to raise their children can inform their children at home,and the children who don't have parents that care can get their information at school? How does it hurt your kids to get the information twice?
"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011 Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs Steve Jobs,life-long Dim,and major Barry Soetoro supporter.
Yup,that was it. Some pretty scary stuff. Thanks!
"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011 Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs Steve Jobs,life-long Dim,and major Barry Soetoro supporter.
LOL!
"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011 Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs Steve Jobs,life-long Dim,and major Barry Soetoro supporter.
I don'tknow that 'respect' is necessarily the word to use. But I do know that it helps if someonecan pique their interest or challenges them in such a way that they don't feel they've been put down because 'they're a kid'. And total strangers can do that--so that is why I quetion the word 'respect'.
I can't trust government. Even if I believed their intent was always good. Organizations like Boys Scouts and Girl Scouts and the mentors of Boys and Girls clubs, so long as they are heterosexual and non child abusers would work for me. Or a private doctor or nurse, given the same restrictions. I would accept church groups, but DEFINITELY with the same restrictions. Even private schools would be better, with the same restrictions, as anything government coul provide. And there is no correcting government schools--all they ever do is throw more money at them and hope it works...there is no concern for the kids.
Now that is funny, AKA!!!
Ok, if name calling is how you deal with this subject, I will ask again and we can both cut through the bull. In your mother's town where they killed babies who were deformed at birth: Do you or do you not support such actions?
As iron sharpens iron, So a man sharpens the countenance of his friend. -Proverbs 27:17 (NKJV)
Last time I checked, I looked both ways, did not get hit and have never run over or hit a "religious leader".
As iron sharpens iron, So a man sharpens the countenance of his friend. -Proverbs 27:17 (NKJV)
Ok, sorry a bit rough with Children of the Corn. Maybe Harvest Home with Betty Davis is more appropriate: As iron sharpens iron, So a man sharpens the countenance of his friend. -Proverbs 27:17 (NKJV)
You clearly lay out why you support the wholesale murder of those who are deformed. Ridiculous. Why are you lying about what he said? Perhaps you have not been following Biff. So below are quotes from sneakypete, with a few posed questions from other posters to give context. All responses are pete's if you scroll up. Pete is also pinged. sneakypete posts on this thread regarding the smothering of children: Dee,the truth is this has always been done,ever since the dawn of time. There are only two differences. One real difference is in days of yore it was midwives smothering the babies,not doctors with a needle. That's why you didn't seem many deformed or crippled kids back in the 50's and earlier. They "died at birth". Working class people back then,especially ones in rural and farm communities just couldn't afford,in ANY sense of the word,a child that couldn't work and contribute to the family. Why wouldn't it be true? My own mother told me about this when I was a child. She had witnessed this happen when the older woman across the street gave birth to a monster back in the early 40's. She said the child was smothered at birth,and the woman who gave birth was told it was stillborn. So what? The truth is often ugly,which is why so many people lie. Granted,they are polite lies (you baby was stillborn) designed to spare someone's feelings,but lies none the less. Wrong. While there was no yowling involved,there damn sure would have been if some of those babies had been allowed to live,and that's not even addressing the burden caring for such a child would have laid on the family. Children with birth defects has no chance of providing for themselves. They were a luxury people just couldn't afford. On the other hand, I am sure your mom did the right thing and reported the murderous bitch who smothered the babies at birth. Yes,she did the right thing,and kept her mouth shut about it,just like women have done since the dawn of time. So you think these midwives were doing the family a favor by murdering their children? Of course. You are applying modern sensibilities to older realities,and feeling righteous about it. Tell us all about how YOU would take the food out of the mouth of a healthy child that was able to do the work necessary to help keep a family alive,to give it to a unhealthy/handicapped child that would never be anything but a burden on the family and the whole "tribe". XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX End of sneakypete's comments XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX So my RLH comment is this. I see no comments from SP stating this was a horrible act. In fact, he tells us above his mother did the right thing.
As iron sharpens iron, So a man sharpens the countenance of his friend. -Proverbs 27:17 (NKJV)
The closest town was maybe a two day trip away at the time. This was a small village of maybe 50-75 people. Do you or do you not support such actions? Are you seriously asked me if I support actions taken by private individuals 60 or more years ago? Do you or do you not support bashing the brains of the babies of your enemies out against their city walls? After all,according to the Bible you believe in,that is what God told his soldiers to do,and you clearly follow your God.
"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011 Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs Steve Jobs,life-long Dim,and major Barry Soetoro supporter.
It's abundantly obvious why you are a true believer. You are too stupid to be anything else. Anything beyond blindly following orders would be too much of a mental stretch for you.
"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011 Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs Steve Jobs,life-long Dim,and major Barry Soetoro supporter.
Yes, i see your point. However, i think sneaky is refusing to judge people of the past by todays standards, and youbare interpreting his refusal to judge as support. I see him talking about what was and what is with him understanding why they did it, rather than taking sides or showing support. I too refuse to judge them. I've been in bad situations in my life and been surprised and appalled by my decisions when i look back. I'm going to focus and spend my energy on me being better rather than standing in judgement of others. I'm not a good person. Now where near good enough to judge others decisions when they are in trouble.
. I think that's a fair question.
. That one gave me a chuckle. lol
I think that's a fair question. You have the living God giving you a command. HE knows the future. He has a plan. If the Jews would have merged with these people and let them live. It would probably have changed their culture and Gods plan. God knows good from evil. We don't always. Sneakypeter is not found of the people who founded this nation. Not fond of the founding values.
A fool has said in his heart there is no God. Pete you are a fool. Pitiful as you have been around long that you should know the good group from the bad group.
Yes you are, yes you are. Change that view and right now. /Dr. Phil
. I have never heard rational thought expressed better.
"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011 Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs Steve Jobs,life-long Dim,and major Barry Soetoro supporter.
Ok,so you have a all-powerful God that wants to off a whole tribe of people that have pissed him off for some unknown reason or reasons,and instead of handing what would have surely been a simple matter for him (plague,locusts,turning them into salt,turning them into frogs,etc,etc,etc) he is so lazy and trifling he tells a tribe of Jews to do his dirty work for him? If this is true,how do you know he didn't get pissed off at the Jews and Gypsies in the 30's,and bring Hitler to power to eliminate them all? Your God,WADDA GUY! It's easy to see why you love him.
"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011 Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs Steve Jobs,life-long Dim,and major Barry Soetoro supporter.
/Dr. Phil You're ok,I'm ok,Biff's ok. Some of these other guys really suck,though.
"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011 Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs Steve Jobs,life-long Dim,and major Barry Soetoro supporter.
A clever way to change the subject. But if you must know, this is my belief: From Isaiah chapter 45: 9 “Woe to him who strives with his Maker! Let the potsherd strive with the potsherds of the earth! Shall the clay say to him who forms it, ‘What are you making?’ Or shall your handiwork say, ‘He has no hands’? 10 Woe to him who says to his father, ‘What are you begetting?’ Or to the woman, ‘What have you brought forth?’” 11 Thus says the Lord, The Holy One of Israel, and his Maker: “Ask Me of things to come concerning My sons; And concerning the work of My hands, you command Me. 12 I have made the earth, And created man on it. I—My hands—stretched out the heavens, And all their host I have commanded.
As iron sharpens iron, So a man sharpens the countenance of his friend. -Proverbs 27:17 (NKJV)
I can sense your anger. It is a lie to think that a person does not "march" to the "orders" of Someone, someone or something. I choose to trust and obey God in what He has revealed to us. That is not blindly following, but in full knowledge of what has been revealed. You, from what I can read, trust and obey yourself. That is the difference.
As iron sharpens iron, So a man sharpens the countenance of his friend. -Proverbs 27:17 (NKJV)
I see him talking about what was and what is with him understanding why they did it, rather than taking sides or showing support. I too refuse to judge them. I've been in bad situations in my life and been surprised and appalled by my decisions when i look back. I'm going to focus and spend my energy on me being better rather than standing in judgement of others. I'm not a good person. Now where near good enough to judge others decisions when they are in trouble. Biff, IMHO your post above is clear and honest. Thank you. My "but" to all this is history is full of examples of allowing murders and genocide by turning a blind eye. Perhaps I was looking at a small town in Somewhere USA, where midwives "did a favor" to mothers with deformed children and saw a historical example. Perhaps looking the other way and not judging the midwives is akin to the neighbors of Jews in Germany who heard the SS come for the Jews, cart them off and then heard the trains pull away. I mean, what could those German neighbors really do right? They either looked the other way knowing this was not quite right, or they could have asked a few questions and then be loaded on those trains too. I think my overarching point is, when do we stand up for the principles and morals we believe in. By doing or saying nothing, we condone the practices and IMO just as guilty.
As iron sharpens iron, So a man sharpens the countenance of his friend. -Proverbs 27:17 (NKJV)
Biff, you hit that one out of the ball park. Meaning, many people go an entire life in denial thinking they are "good." I am on the same team, I am not a "good" person either. No one is good, no not one. That is why we need the Gospel.
As iron sharpens iron, So a man sharpens the countenance of his friend. -Proverbs 27:17 (NKJV)
If this is true,how do you know he didn't get pissed off at the Jews and Gypsies in the 30's,and bring Hitler to power to eliminate them all? Your God,WADDA GUY! It's easy to see why you love him. Pete, I invite you to read again the Canaan campaigns in the book of Joshua. I say this because God clearly points out the reason/reasons. You will also find in Joshua that the Israelites did not go into battle alone. I understand this is an emotional issue for you by your statements. I am appealing to the sneakypete I know on LP to think critically and review the sources (Exodus and Joshua) and actually read what was said by God and compare it with your claims. On another note, if I offended the memory of your mother in any way I truly apologize. I did not mean to drag her specifically into this debate but point out the deplorable midwife practices and that someone should have defended the innocent.
As iron sharpens iron, So a man sharpens the countenance of his friend. -Proverbs 27:17 (NKJV)
A clever way to change the subject. Clever? If you even understood what the word means you would understand the subjects are IDENTICAL. Namely things that happened in the past. If YOU expect ME to justify or make excuses for what happened 60 or so years ago,you have no moral standing to not be asked the same question and expected to respond BY YOUR OWN STANDARDS about things that happened 2000 or so years ago. From Isaiah chapter 45: Wasn't he a distant relative of Doctor Seuss? Come to think of it,weren't they in the same business? From Lennon '67: "I am the walrus goo goo g'joob."
"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011 Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs Steve Jobs,life-long Dim,and major Barry Soetoro supporter.
That is the point, isn't it? If we do not derive our worldview by moral absolutes then anyone's opinion or set of "standards" is what society will degrade to. That is moral relativism.
As iron sharpens iron, So a man sharpens the countenance of his friend. -Proverbs 27:17 (NKJV)
If you stand by what you believe in,you approve of soldiers bashing the brains of infants out on city walls. After all,you worship the deity that ordered it done,ACCORDING TO YOUR OWN BELIEFS.
"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011 Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs Steve Jobs,life-long Dim,and major Barry Soetoro supporter.
What reason could there possibly be than the utter destruction of your enemies to the point they ceased to exist?
"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011 Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs Steve Jobs,life-long Dim,and major Barry Soetoro supporter.
I don't understand your post. YOU,the individual, HAVE no moral standards other than the ones you adopted to conform to the viewpoints of your religion. By surrendering yourself to those beliefs,you MUST accept anything they approve of as moral. The people who agreed with Hitler thought the moral thing to do was eliminate all the Jews,Gypsies,children with mental and physical disabilities,and even petty criminals in some cases. Were THEY a moral people? BTW,I am NOT refereeing to the common German citizen whose choice it was to pretend this was not happening of have it happen to himself and his family. I am refereeing to the true-believer Nazi's. I don't believe in second-hand guilt. The only people guilty are the people who commit the crimes or order the crimes to be committed.
"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011 Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs Steve Jobs,life-long Dim,and major Barry Soetoro supporter.
More clearly. Where do you/did you obtain your moral values? I addressed your "baby head bashing" comment in a previous post. If you do not want to review in the Exodus and Joshua the reasons God gave for punishing the Canaanite nations, then what you posted is uninformed.
As iron sharpens iron, So a man sharpens the countenance of his friend. -Proverbs 27:17 (NKJV)
Interesting you pick Hitler. They were following his worldview and system. He based it on his beliefs. It was a situation of a nation following the relative moral "standards" of one man and his minions. That is the point. If we derive our worldview, our morals from what we "think" is right, then who says what is right and what is wrong? It is all relative.
As iron sharpens iron, So a man sharpens the countenance of his friend. -Proverbs 27:17 (NKJV)
Ah, yes, the ever-logical Tea Party connection....
what about someone that knows a crime is about to be committed?
I can't give you a precise answer,other than from living life and observing how the people around me live their lives and conduct themselves. I like to think I have taken the best for my own and dismissed the superficial,but my own ego gets in my way just as much as the ego of anyone else gets in their way. After all,don't all of us think we are right while recognizing that it is impossible for everyone to be right when there are so many conflicting opinions?
"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011 Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs Steve Jobs,life-long Dim,and major Barry Soetoro supporter.
He was just the most obvious and most documented. The truth is that Stalin and Mao made Hitler look like a Cub Scout leader by comparison,but the leftist media and historians have been working since day 1 to cover up the evils of communism while pretending it's big brother and biggest competitor is pure evil and published documents and film to prove how evil fascism is. hat is the point. If we derive our worldview, our morals from what we "think" is right, then who says what is right and what is wrong? It is just mind-boggling that you can't see your own written words reinforce my positions. Religious people by definition get all their moral viewpoints from one central source, There ARE no individual moral positions.
"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011 Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs Steve Jobs,life-long Dim,and major Barry Soetoro supporter.
What about them? Are you wanting to prosecute thought crimes? Thought-crimes once removed,on top of that? How many times growing up did you hear someone say they were going to kill somebody else? Probably hundreds of times before you even got out of hight school. How many of those murders actually took place?
"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011 Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs Steve Jobs,life-long Dim,and major Barry Soetoro supporter.
You are only stating one aspect. If someone planned to kill you and told others about it - you would be fine if the act occurred and nobody did anything? (Are you in NYC?)
Yeah,what the hell. People SHOULD be prosecuted for what they are thinking,right? If someone planned to kill you and told others about it - you would be fine if the act occurred and nobody did anything? A heads-up would be appreciated,but not really necessary. I've always assumed everybody I don't know and most of the people I do know would cause me harm if it would profit them and they thought they could get away with it. I don't expect the government to protect me 24/7. I provide my own protection. (Are you in NYC?) No,I am an American.
"It is impossible to talk reason with those who can only parrot Party Slogans." sneakypete Sept 2011 Stay Hungry...Stay Foolish --Steve Jobs Steve Jobs,life-long Dim,and major Barry Soetoro supporter.
Even more mind boggling is that your examples of Hitler, Mao, Stalin et al, ARE examples of a relative "values" worldview. "Religious people by definition get all their moral viewpoints from one central source, There ARE no individual moral positions." Worded a bit differently, but you are close to a truth in the above statement. Those who have Christ draw their values from His Words. This is what we call an absolute.
As iron sharpens iron, So a man sharpens the countenance of his friend. -Proverbs 27:17 (NKJV)
So where would someone get their values from if they didn't have a Bible or couldn't read, or didn't have someone to teach them. Are you saying God depends on a book to get his values across to people? What about most of the people born in the last two thousand years, who were illiterate and had no access to books or education and were just trying to stay alive. Where were they supposed to get their values from?
. Are you saying God depends on a book to get his values across to people? What about most of the people born in the last two thousand years, who were illiterate and had no access to books or education and were just trying to stay alive. Where were they supposed to get their values from? Biff, if we look at history we will see most societies had values consistent with Exodus chapter 20. Why? Because we are told in Scriptures that all mankind has the Law of God "written in their hearts." Here is what Paul told the Romans in chapter 2: 13 for not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified: 14 (for when Gentiles that have not the law do by nature the things of the law, these, not having the law, are the law unto themselves; 15 in that they show the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience bearing witness therewith, and their thoughts one with another accusing or else excusing them);(ASV version) God masterfully put this in our makeup when He created us. Your reference to those who never heard about Scriptures, Jesus Christ or the Bible I believe is answered by Paul above (you may want to read all of chapter 2 of Romans to get the full context). But the point I was making to pete is mankind since Eden is in rebellion of God's Way. So much like those that made the gold calf in the wilderness when Moses was absent, we too today create our own idols of self crafted worldviews or moral/ethical principles in contravention to God's Way, God's Law, God's Word.
As iron sharpens iron, So a man sharpens the countenance of his friend. -Proverbs 27:17 (NKJV)
#2. To: CZ82, *The Two Parties ARE the Same* (#0)
So what can we do? Don’t vote for a democrat.
"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul
#3. To: hondo68 (#2)
He meant to say... Don't vote for a democrat, or a republican. One party, two evil branches.
#4. To: A K A Stone (#3)
Romney isn't that great. But only a moron would say they are the same.
#5. To: A K A Stone, *The Two Parties ARE the Same* (#3)
(Edited)
"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul
#6. To: CZ82 (#0)
Here’s what it boils down to. There is a greater tolerance for “sin” now. And the natural, inbred reaction to sin is anger … to “correct” it and to implement “justice.” But political correctness has not only forced people to swallow that sin, but they even are arrested or sued for trying to speak out against it.
#7. To: mcgowanjm (#4)
Military....same.
#8. To: Serenissima Venezia (#7)
Military....same.
#9. To: Serenissima Venezia (#7)
What is your solution? Or do you just want to complain and watch the country go over a cliff while you sip your adult beverage in your lawn chair?
#10. To: Serenissima Venezia (#7)
watch the country go over a cliff while you sip your adult beverage in your lawn chair?
#11. To: CZ82 (#0)
Why didn’t these things happen in the 1950’s? Why didn’t we need airport screenings then? Why didn’t people need to lock their house or car doors then? The answer is simple. There was more order then (especially in families) … which then naturally released more love and peace and security.
#12. To: hondo68 (#2)
And he was doing so well, up to this point!
#13. To: sneakypete (#11)
Then in the 1960's the ACLU with backing from people intent on destroying America won a court case put before a leftist court that stated locking mentally disturbed people away who were thought to be dangerous but had not YET hurt anyone violated their Constitutional RIGHT to be mentally disturbed and danerous,so the looney bins were emptied.
#14. To: mcgowanjm (#4)
They. Are. The. Same.
#15. To: sneakypete (#14)
See how easy it is to play the "divide and conquer" game?
#16. To: Serenissima Venezia (#7)
With Romney, it will take longer. And with a conservative House and Senate to deal with,.....
#17. To: CZ82 (#13)
They have more rights than me or you....
#18. To: sneakypete (#14)
No,they're not! One group has a leader that is slightly darker than the other group,and the other group has a leader that is slightly whiter than the leader of the other group.
#19. To: sneakypete (#16)
Massachusetts Mitt will have the votes from a compliant House and Senate to do more to destroy our country in 4 years than Obama could do in 40 years...
#20. To: hondo68 (#5)
#21. To: Liberator (#19)
Here I thought you were paying attention...That makes no sense. Carry on...
#22. To: sneakypete (#11)
#23. To: rowdee (#22)
And then the 70s saw a government endorsing women killing their unborn children. That has to have an effect on society--subconsciously, of course, when even the mother, the nurturer of society, is ok to off the most innocent beings.
#24. To: Fred Mertz (#15)
#25. To: sneakypete (#14)
#26. To: All (#25)
#27. To: sneakypete (#23)
#28. To: Serenissima Venezia, CZ82 (#6)
This guy said he was influenced by this movie - so why isn't the liberal left clamoring for some sort of control over what their cohorts in Hollywood put out?
#29. To: sneakypete, rowdee, SJN, Liberator (#12)
The Thumpers see themselves taking over complete control of the alleged Republican Party,and making it "God's Party".
#30. To: rowdee (#27)
If what you say is true,
#31. To: redleghunter (#29)
(Edited)
In those same years the same cloaked judges ruled the Bible could not be taught in school
#32. To: sneakypete, rowdee, SJN (#30)
Why wouldn't it be true? My own mother told me about this when I was a child. She had witnessed this happen when the older woman across the street gave birth to a monster back in the early 40's. She said the child was smothered at birth,and the woman who gave birth was told it was stillborn.
#33. To: sneakypete (#30)
Wrong. While there was no yowling involved,there damn sure would have been if some of those babies had been allowed to live,and that's not even addressing the burden caring for such a child would have laid on the family.
#34. To: sneakypete (#30)
(Edited)
#35. To: sneakypete, rowdee, SJN, Liberator, GarySpFc (#31)
Good for them. Schools are no place for the violence and pornography that is in the Bible. Not to mention the FACT that people like you will INSIST it be presented as established fact instead of fiction.
#36. To: rowdee (#34)
The difference re government approval of abortions: because it is the 'legal' jurisdiction under which people live that is saying 'go kill your kid with our blessing'........this has to send a message that life isn't worth much.
#37. To: sneakypete (#30)
The truth is even worse than that. Just a few hundred years ago living children were being left out in the cold to die in seasons where the crops had failed and the game was scarce. Just because people didn't talk about doesn't mean it didn't happen.
#38. To: redleghunter (#32)
You make the experience your mother witnessed seem like "normal" for all society. It was not.
#39. To: redleghunter (#33)
So you think these midwives were doing the family a favor by murdering their children?
#40. To: rowdee (#34)
"My own great grandparents who were farmers in Texas, had something like 13 o 14 kids; had a deformed son.....they didn't kill Ira....and that Great Grandpa was no 'thumper' or holy roller. So, we each have a story to hold up our view.
#41. To: redleghunter (#35)
You cannot bring yourself to the fact that this nation was founded on Christian principles.
#42. To: redleghunter (#28)
Hollywood and the state run media (some call the MSM) don't want you to believe their products have anything to do with Holmes. The murderer dressed up like a character, was a "fan" of the movie series and chose to do the shooting at the opening of the latest movie in the series. A clear minded person would come to the conclusion the movie series, aka Hollywood and the media that promoted the movie series, would be a contributing factor. But instead they tried to blame lawful gun owners and the Tea Party, and talk radio. They, Hollywood, know it, we know it and they think we are all stupid not to realize what is clear.
#43. To: rowdee (#37)
And we have some evil, evil people in the USA today who are saying we should have this same ability in todays world! Preposterous! Right?
#44. To: sneakypete (#31)
#45. To: redleghunter, Sneakypete (#35)
There is a true cause and effect you will igore, because you have a deep hatred for those who believe in God and worship Him.
#46. To: sneakypete (#40)
#47. To: sneakypete (#43)
#48. To: sneakypete (#38)
Yeah,it was. If I'm wrong,direct me to all the photos of deformed children.
#49. To: sneakypete (#39)
Of course. You are applying modern sensibilities to older realities,and feeling righteous about it.
#50. To: sneakypete (#41)
Because it's NOT a fact. We not only DON'T have a religious government,the FF's wee specific about the separation of Church and State.
#51. To: rowdee (#46)
I can also say that one finds this sort of information all the time in going thru family histories. And on census forms you oftentimes come across 'schools' or 'institutions' that have a lot of children in them with notations of their condition.
#52. To: redleghunter (#51)
#53. To: rowdee (#52)
#54. To: rowdee (#44)
I, for one, Pete, don't want any teachers leading prayer in school. They've screwed up the subjects they supposedly trained to teach. I cannot believe they would somehow do a fantastic job on something they seemingly know so little about. JMO.
#55. To: rowdee (#45)
he knows I am a Christian and that hasn't jarred our friendship
#56. To: rowdee (#47)
Not by a public education teacher! It belongs in the home. That's what a father is for--to direct and guide his son through high growing up, formative years.
#57. To: redleghunter (#48)
You can stick your head in the sand if you want but deformed children were born, have been born and continue to be born and live.
#58. To: redleghunter (#49)
Your posts clearly indicate you approve of the murdering of newborns who do not meet a particular standard.
#59. To: sneakypete (#56)
(Edited)
#60. To: redleghunter (#48)
It is clear you condone the murder of deformed children.
You clearly lay out why you support the wholesale murder of those who are deformed.
Say hi to your mom for me.
#61. To: Ferret Mike (#59)
#62. To: buckeroo (#61)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5FgqjhBGdCg&feature=player_embedded
#63. To: Ferret Mike (#62)
#64. To: buckeroo (#63)
http://www.cveitch.org/
#65. To: Ferret Mike (#64)
#66. To: buckeroo (#65)
#67. To: Ferret Mike, buckeroo (#66)
#68. To: Ferret Mike (#66)
#69. To: buckeroo (#68)
#70. To: Fred Mertz (#67)
#71. To: Ferret Mike, Moderator X (#69)
Désolé mec, je ne parle pas anglais.
#72. To: sneakypete (#56)
#73. To: sneakypete (#56)
And I think you would have to agree that trying to stop the spread of VD is a genuine public interest.
#74. To: sneakypete (#57)
#75. To: rowdee, sneakypete (#44)
I, for one, Pete, don't want any teachers leading prayer in school. They've screwed up the subjects they supposedly trained to teach. I cannot believe they would somehow do a fantastic job on something they seemingly know so little about. JMO.
It means the philosophy for the humanistic concept about free individual determinism will is subjugated by a bureaucrat eating a donut and standing at the water cooler cooler to chat about retirement in Washington DC.
#76. To: redleghunter, sneakypete (#49)
#77. To: rowdee (#72)
It takes caring.
#78. To: rowdee (#73)
We'll never have a perfect world, but that doesn't mean we should stop trying and 'just let gubmint do it'.
#79. To: rowdee (#74)
You're probably thinking of thalidomide...babies born without limbs sorts of things.
#80. To: A K A Stone (#76)
I am holier then you Sneakypeter.
#81. To: sneakypete (#77)
#82. To: sneakypete (#78)
#83. To: A K A Stone (#76)
#84. To: sneakypete (#57)
You clearly lay out why you support the wholesale murder of those who are deformed. It is all financial and convenience related. Same bogus claim the abortionists give today.
#85. To: sneakypete (#58)
Your posts clearly indicate you approve of the murdering of newborns who do not meet a particular standard. And your posts prove why you need a religious leader to tell you how to think. Otherwise you would be playing in the traffic.
#86. To: sneakypete (#57)
Children of the corn"? Really?
#87. To: Biff Tannen, sneakypete, A K A Stone, Liberator (#60)
It is clear you condone the murder of deformed children. What a stupid thing to say. He never said one thing about condoning it.
#88. To: redleghunter (#84)
In your mother's town where they killed babies who were deformed at birth:
#89. To: redleghunter (#86)
Ok, sorry a bit rough with Children of the Corn. Maybe Harvest Home with Betty Davis is more appropriate:
#90. To: redleghunter (#87)
Say hi to your mom for me.
#91. To: sneakypete (#88)
(Edited)
Do you or do you not support bashing the brains of the babies of your enemies out against their city walls? After all,according to the Bible you believe in,that is what God told his soldiers to do,and you clearly follow your God.
Say hi to your mom for me.
#92. To: redleghunter (#48)
Your "children of the corn" horror house town fails this test.
#93. To: Biff Tannen, Sneakypeter (#91)
Do you or do you not support bashing the brains of the babies of your enemies out against their city walls? After all,according to the Bible you believe in,that is what God told his soldiers to do,and you clearly follow your God.
#94. To: sneakypete (#89)
#95. To: Biff Tannen (#90)
I'm not a good person.
#96. To: Biff Tannen (#90)
I too refuse to judge them. I've been in bad situations in my life and been surprised and appalled by my decisions when i look back. I'm going to focus and spend my energy on me being better rather than standing in judgement of others. I'm not a good person. Now where near good enough to judge others decisions when they are in trouble.
#97. To: A K A Stone (#93)
You have the living God giving you a command. HE knows the future. He has a plan. If the Jews would have merged with these people and let them live. It would probably have changed their culture and Gods plan. God knows good from evil. We don't always. Sneakypeter is not found of the people who founded this nation. Not fond of the founding values.
#98. To: Fred Mertz (#95)
(Edited)
I'm not a good person. Yes you are, yes you are. Change that view and right now.
#99. To: sneakypete (#88)
Do you or do you not support bashing the brains of the babies of your enemies out against their city walls? After all,according to the Bible you believe in,that is what God told his soldiers to do,and you clearly follow your God.
#100. To: sneakypete (#89)
It's abundantly obvious why you are a true believer. You are too stupid to be anything else. Anything beyond blindly following orders would be too much of a mental stretch for you.
#101. To: Biff Tannen (#90)
Yes, i see your point. However, i think sneaky is refusing to judge people of the past by todays standards, and youbare interpreting his refusal to judge as support.
#102. To: Biff Tannen (#90)
I'm not a good person
#103. To: sneakypete (#97)
Ok,so you have a all-powerful God that wants to off a whole tribe of people that have pissed him off for some unknown reason or reasons,and instead of handing what would have surely been a simple matter for him (plague,locusts,turning them into salt,turning them into frogs,etc,etc,etc) he is so lazy and trifling he tells a tribe of Jews to do his dirty work for him?
#104. To: redleghunter (#99)
(Edited)
Do you or do you not support bashing the brains of the babies of your enemies out against their city walls? After all,according to the Bible you believe in,that is what God told his soldiers to do,and you clearly follow your God.
#105. To: sneakypete (#104)
BY YOUR OWN STANDARDS
#106. To: redleghunter (#101)
(Edited)
I think my overarching point is, when do we stand up for the principles and morals we believe in.
#107. To: redleghunter (#103)
I say this because God clearly points out the reason/reasons.
#108. To: redleghunter (#105)
That is the point, isn't it? If we do not derive our worldview by moral absolutes then anyone's opinion or set of "standards" is what society will degrade to. That is moral relativism.
#109. To: sneakypete (#108)
I don't understand your post. YOU,the individual, HAVE no moral standards other than the ones you adopted to conform to the viewpoints of your religion.
#110. To: sneakypete (#108)
The people who agreed with Hitler thought the moral thing to do was eliminate all the Jews,Gypsies,children with mental and physical disabilities,and even petty criminals in some cases. Were THEY a moral people?
#111. To: redleghunter (#28)
But instead they tried to blame lawful gun owners and the Tea Party, and talk radio
#112. To: sneakypete (#108)
I don't believe in second-hand guilt. The only people guilty are the people who commit the crimes or order the crimes to be committed.
#113. To: redleghunter (#109)
More clearly. Where do you/did you obtain your moral values?
#114. To: redleghunter (#110)
Interesting you pick Hitler.
#115. To: Serenissima Venezia (#112)
what about someone that knows a crime is about to be committed?
#116. To: sneakypete (#115)
#117. To: Serenissima Venezia (#116)
You are only stating one aspect.
#118. To: sneakypete (#114)
It is just mind-boggling that you can't see your own written words reinforce my positions. Religious people by definition get all their moral viewpoints from one central source, There ARE no individual moral positions.
#119. To: redleghunter (#118)
Say hi to your mom for me.
#120. To: Biff Tannen (#119)
So where would someone get their values from if they didn't have a Bible or couldn't read, or didn't have someone to teach them.
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