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Title: Nolu Chan Kicking Twit Robin and Twit Skip Intro's asses!
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Published: Jul 23, 2012
Author: Nolu Can and two twits participate in th
Post Date: 2012-07-23 23:56:55 by A K A Stone
Keywords: twit Robin, twit Skip Intor, nolu chan
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Title: Ron Johnson: High-Capacity Magazines Are A Constitutional Right (VIDEO) URL Source: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/ ... acity-magazines_n_1692810.html Post Date: 2012-07-22 12:23:33 by Skip Intro Keywords: None Views: 44 Comments: 9 WASHINGTON -- Sen. Ron Johnson (R-Wis.) drew a fairly strict line in the sand on Sunday with respect to the coming debate over gun control, suggesting that there is a constitutional right to buy high-capacity clips and magazines. "Does something that would limit magazines that could carry 100 rounds, would that infringe on the constitutional right?" host Chris Wallace asked Johnson on "Fox News Sunday." "I believe so," Johnson replied. "People will talk about unusually lethal weapons, that could be potentially a discussion you could have. But the fact of the matter is there are 30-round magazines that are just common all over the place. You simply can't keep these weapons out of the hands of sick, demented individuals who want to do harm. And when you try and do it, you restrict our freedom." High-capacity magazines were banned under the Federal Assault Weapons Ban, which President Bill Clinton signed into law in 1994 and which expired 10 years later. Since then, gun control advocates have focused their attention on them in their efforts to curb gun-related violence. Opponents of restrictive gun laws have responded by arguing that incidents of violence involving high-capacity magazines are actually quite rare, and that shootings involving handguns are far more common. When former Rep. Gabrielle Giffords (D-Ariz.) was shot in Tucson, the topic finally received national attention. The man who has been charged with killing six people in the attack, along with wounding Giffords and 12 others, used a high-capacity magazine to fire off more than 30 shots before reloading. James Holmes, who allegedly killed 12 people and wounded 58 others Friday morning in an Aurora, Colo. movie theater, reportedly used a high-capacity magazine to fire off multiple rounds without having to reload. The office of Sen. Frank Lautenberg (D-N.J.) told The Huffington Post on Friday that he would be making a renewed push for legislation that would ban high-capacity magazines. Johnson is a conservative member of the Republican Party. But support for high-capacity magazines, even in the wake of the Aurora shooting, extends far beyond him. Former Rep. Chris Shays (R-Conn.), a moderate Republican who is running for Senate, said Friday he opposes a ban on these magazines, despite having voted for the assault weapons ban in 1993 and co-sponsoring a reauthorization bill in 2008. Click for Full Text! Poster Comment: After watching a few episodes of Cajun Pawn Stars I became aware that in Lousiana you can legally purchase and own a Browning M2 .50 caliber machine gun, a military spec sniper rifle, and "tommy" guns, plus lots more. They do draw the line at .55 caliber weapons, but only because the Communists in Washington make them. I guess they've got a real varmint problem down there. Post Comment Private Reply Ignore Thread Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest #1. To: Skip Intro (#0) I guess they've got a real varmint problem down there. The problem is with the Constitution. It recognized the already existing right of the people to keep and bear arms, and stated that the federal government is prohibited from infringing upon that right. It does not prohibit what the Federal government decides is reasonable infringement, it prohibits any infringement of the right, without qualification. If the people care to repeal the 2nd Amendment they may do so. If the federal government may infringe the right to keep and bear arms in any manner it deems reasonable, then the Amendment may as well be considered repealed anyway, as there would be no limit upon what the government might deem reasonable. The right existed for military purposes, to resist invasion, and for states to resist an overreaching central government. The right was not created by the Constitution, but existed before the Constitution, and was recognized by the Constitution. It may be that the Constitution needs amending, but it has not been amended. An analogy may be made to the right of abortion? Can the State government infringe that right with regulations it deems reasonable? For example, can it enforce regulations on clinics it deems reasonable, but which do not directly prohibit abortions? For example, could they enforce a regulation requiring doctors performing abortions to have admitting privileges at a local hospital? And bear in mind, the uninfringeable right to keep and bear arms is provided explicitly in the constitution and the right to abortion only emanates from a penumbra and is difficult to quote. nolu chan posted on 2012-07-22 13:57:12 ET Reply Trace Private Reply #2. To: nolu chan (#1) Do individuals have the right to own drones too? Where do you draw the line? Micro-drones: The new face of cutting-edge warfare Drones are getting smaller and smarter, able to navigate and identify targets without GPS or human operators FAR from the aeroplane-sized craft that are the face of cutting-edge warfare, a much smaller revolution in drones is under way. Micro-aerial vehicles (MAVs) with uncanny navigation and real-time mapping capabilities could soon be zipping through indoor and outdoor spaces, running reconnaissance missions that others cannot. They would allow soldiers to look over hills, inside buildings and inspect suspicious objects without risk. Unlike their larger cousins, whose complex navigation systems let them fly autonomously for hours or even days (see "Aloft for longer than ever"), MAVs are not known for their smarts. They typically rely on a GPS signal to tell them where they are, and on human operators for nearly everything else, such as where to go, what to look for and where to land. Now researchers led by Roland Brockers at the NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory in Pasadena, California, have developed a MAV that uses a camera pointed at the ground to navigate and pick landing spots. It can even identify people and other objects. The system enables the drone to travel through terrain where human control and GPS are unavailable, such as a city street or inside a building. A human operator needs to tell the drone only two things before it sets off: where it is and where its objective is. The craft figures out the rest for itself, using the camera and onboard software to build a 3D map of its surroundings. It can also avoid obstacles and detect surfaces above a predetermined height as possible landing zones. Once it selects a place to put down, it maps the site's dimensions, moves overhead and lands. In a laboratory experiment, a 50 centimetre by 50 centimetre quadrotor craft equipped with the navigation system was able to take off, travel through an obstacle-filled indoor space and land successfully on an elevated platform. Brockers's team is now testing the system in larger, more complex environments. The system was presented at the SPIE Defense, Security and Sensing conference in Baltimore, Maryland, in April. Vijay Kumar of the University of Pennsylvania in Philadelphia says that autonomous navigation and landing capabilities are unprecedented in a drone of this size. "Typically the information required to locate a landing site and stabilise a vehicle over it is coming in at a 100 times a second," he says. "No one else has been able to design a system so small with this kind of processing power." With such capabilities making their way into ever smaller craft, it may not be long until the PD-100 Black Hornet (pictured), which is set to become the world's smallest operational drone, gets an upgrade as well. As it stands the PD-100, which has been in testing by Norwegian manufacturer Prox Dynamics since 2008, can navigate autonomously to a target area using onboard GPS or fly a pre-planned route. It can also be controlled by a human from up to a kilometre away, has an endurance of up to 25 minutes, can hover for a stable view, and fly both indoors and out. At just 20 centimetres long and weighing about 15 grams, the PD-100 makes the drone created by Brockers's team look like a behemoth. And while it may look like a toy, Prox Dynamics claims it can maintain steady flight in winds of up to 5 metres per second. This has attracted the attention of the UK Ministry of Defence, which last year issued a request for the vehicle under the name "Nano-UAS". Aloft for longer than ever A reconnaissance drone has flown for two days straight, fuelled by a laser beam that transmits energy from the ground to the aircraft. Lockheed Martin and Seattle-based LaserMotive teamed up to perform the test last week in a wind tunnel in Palmdale, California, as proof that drones could be made to fly indefinitely via wireless energy transferred from the ground. When the team stopped the flight - because the craft had surpassed the goals of the test - the battery on the drone had more energy than it started with. LaserMotive is now working on adapting the system to beam power from Earth's surface to orbiting satellites and even the moon. “When I give food to the poor, they call me a saint. When I ask why they are poor, they call me a communist.” Dom Hélder Pessoa Câmara, Archbishop of Olinda and Recife, also known as the ‘Bishop of Corum’ He wrote "Spiral of Violence" Robin posted on 2012-07-23 9:59:42 ET Reply Trace Private Reply #3. To: Robin, nolu chan (#2) Given that "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.", then why are there libel and slander laws? Why can't I yell "Fire" in a crowed theater? I see nothing in the First Amendment prohibiting it. Skip Intro posted on 2012-07-23 11:13:18 ET Reply Trace Private Reply #4. To: Skip Intro, nolu chan (#3) Why can't I yell "Fire" in a crowed theater? I see nothing in the First Amendment prohibiting it. a good analogy - we have liberties and boundaries within those liberties Who gets to define the boundary lines? “When I give food to the poor, they call me a saint. When I ask why they are poor, they call me a communist.” Dom Hélder Pessoa Câmara, Archbishop of Olinda and Recife, also known as the ‘Bishop of Corum’ He wrote "Spiral of Violence" Robin posted on 2012-07-23 12:30:25 ET Reply Trace Private Reply #5. To: Robin (#2) Do individuals have the right to own drones too? Don't they already own drones? Is there some law against owning a model aircraft with a camera? The constitutional restriction on government searches does not apply to individuals. That does not involve the right to keep and bear arms. nolu chan posted on 2012-07-23 13:10:14 ET Reply Trace Private Reply #6. To: Skip Intro (#3) Given that "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.", then why are there libel and slander laws? Why can't I yell "Fire" in a crowed theater? I see nothing in the First Amendment prohibiting it. To what law of Congress do you refer? Why don't you try it and let a judge explain the concept of conflict of laws. You do not get to yell fire in a crowded theater because of the conflict of laws. When your exercise of one right can infringe upon other rights, the legislatures and courts let you know whose rights prevail. Schenck v. United States, 249 U.S. 47 at 52 (1919) The most stringent protection of free speech would not protect a man in falsely shouting fire in a theatre and causing a panic. It does not even protect a man from an injunction against uttering words that may have all the effect of force. Gompers v. Bucks Stove & Range Co., 221 U. S. 418, 221 U. S. 439. The question in every case is whether the words used are used in such circumstances and are of such a nature as to create a clear and present danger that they will bring about the substantive evils that Congress has a right to prevent. It is a question of proximity and degree. Brandenburg v. Ohio, 395 U.S. 444 at 447 (1969) These later decisions have fashioned the principle that the constitutional guarantees of free speech and free press do not permit a State to forbid or proscribe advocacy of the use of force or of law violation except where such advocacy is directed to inciting or producing imminent lawless action and is likely to incite or produce such action. Now, please point out how the mere possession of firearms incites or produces imminent lawless action or is likely to produce such action. Shouting fire in a crowded theater threatens to spark a riot and endanger lives. nolu chan posted on 2012-07-23 13:58:26 ET Reply Trace Private Reply #7. To: Robin, Skip Intro (#4) Who gets to define the boundary lines? The term, "You can't shout fire in a crowded theater," comes from Oliver Wendell Holmes in a 1st Amdt decision at the U.S. Supreme Court. See my #6 above. nolu chan posted on 2012-07-23 14:02:43 ET Reply Trace Private Reply #8. To: nolu chan (#5) Do individuals have the right to own drones too? Don't they already own drones? Is there some law against owning a model aircraft with a camera? The constitutional restriction on government searches does not apply to individuals. That does not involve the right to keep and bear arms. I'm trying to draw a parallel, about knowing where the boundaries are within our right to bear arms and in the case of the camera, privacy. Let's start with the camera. Is it legal to fly a drone (or model aircraft) with a camera over your neighbors? Now let's add weapons. Is it legal to fly a drone (or a model aircraft) with a camera and weapons over your neighbors? You do have the right to bear arms, does it extend to flying weapons over your neighbors home? And does it extend to assault weapons? "When I give food to the poor, they call me a saint. When I ask why they are poor, they call me a communist." Dom Hélder Pessoa Câmara, Archbishop of Olinda and Recife, also known as the ‘Bishop of Corum’ He wrote "Spiral of Violence" Robin posted on 2012-07-23 14:28:11 ET Reply Trace Private Reply #9. To: nolu chan (#6) Shouting fire in a crowded theater threatens to spark a riot and endanger lives. So what? Show me where the Constitution says that's illegal. How can you predict in what case that might provoke a fatal outcome? Skip Intro posted on 2012-07-23 17:57:49 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
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#1. To: A K A Stone (#0)
I read it. A reasonable conversation. None of the arguements above changed my position. Sp where specifically is the ass kicking?
And Thanxs for reading TPF, Stone. ;}
I readily admit I enjoy seeing Chan kick the losers asses over there. Yes he is civil about it.
Yes he is civil about it. But he isn't. 'kicking ass' Nolu and I regularly converse. And you haven't shown how Nolu won this debate.
Related thread at TPF: http://www.the-peoples-forum.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=29483 Who are the militia? nolu chan Amendment II The below demonstrate that the militia as defined in 1792 and as it is defined today, has always included all able-bodied white males (18-44), with a few exceptions, and today it includes able-bodied males (17-44) without color distinction, and all females who are members of the National Guard. [snip]
I haven't gathered the will to even look, but how many posts does that loser site even get any more? Like one a day?
Obama has played at being a president while enjoying the perks … golf, insanely expensive vacations at tax-payer expense. He has ignored the responsibilities of the job; no plans, no budgets, no alternatives … just finger pointing; making him a complete failure as a president
A reasonable conversation. None of the arguements above changed my position. Sp where specifically is the ass kicking? I read it too. Stone's sociopathic need to exaggerate rears it's ugly head again.
Almost every country in the Middle East is awash in oil, and we have to side with the one that has nothing but joos. Goddamn, that was good thinkin'. Esso posted on 2012-01-13 7:37:56 ET
He's still got all of his 300 round magazines, and they're fully loaded!
Obama's watch stopped on 24 May 2008, but he's been too busy smoking crack to notice.
nolu chan posted on 2012-07-22 13:57:12 ET Why Stone posted it.
A single shot 4-10 is all you need. If that.
nolu chan posted on 2012-07-22 13:57:12 ET He kicked the twats ass on that one.
Yep, somebody aborted Stone's baby.
Almost every country in the Middle East is awash in oil, and we have to side with the one that has nothing but joos. Goddamn, that was good thinkin'. Esso posted on 2012-01-13 7:37:56 ET
If that. I inherited one from my G-uncle, it originally belonged to my G-grandfather, who was also in the SF earthquake. It still shoots after years of neglect.
Almost every country in the Middle East is awash in oil, and we have to side with the one that has nothing but joos. Goddamn, that was good thinkin'. Esso posted on 2012-01-13 7:37:56 ET
;} Giants to the World Series....congrats....;} Last time: 1989 Loma Prieta earthquake - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1989_Loma_Prieta_earthquake The Loma Prieta earthquake, also known as the Quake of '89 and the World Series Earthquake, was a major earthquake that struck the San Francisco Bay Area ... I remember exactly where I was.
Your bar is set near ground level then. Your Mom really pissed you off, huh....;}
I remember it well, although it felt more like a pleasant wave ride here Much of the 101 traffic was diverted through my area shorter thereafter and it has remained this way forevermore.
Almost every country in the Middle East is awash in oil, and we have to side with the one that has nothing but joos. Goddamn, that was good thinkin'. Esso posted on 2012-01-13 7:37:56 ET
I didn't know that....thanx.
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#3. To: mcgowanjm (#2)
#4. To: A K A Stone (#3)
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I readily admit I enjoy seeing Chan kick the losers asses over there.
#5. To: A K A Stone (#0)
The right existed for military purposes, to resist invasion, and for states to resist an overreaching central government.
Title: Who are the militia?
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Post Date: 2012-07-27 14:38:37 by nolu chan
Keywords: militia, second amendment, rkba
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July 27, 2012 A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.
#6. To: nolu chan (#5)
#7. To: mcgowanjm, A K A Stone (#1)
I read it.
#8. To: mcgowanjm, A K A Stone (#1)
where specifically is the ass kicking?
"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul
#9. To: mininggold (#7)
And bear in mind, the uninfringeable right to keep and bear arms is provided explicitly in the constitution and the right to abortion only emanates from a penumbra and is difficult to quote.
#10. To: hondo68 (#8)
He's still got all of his 300 round magazines, and they're fully loaded!
#11. To: mcgowanjm, mininggold, the peoples scrotum (#9)
And bear in mind, the uninfringeable right to keep and bear arms is provided explicitly in the constitution and the right to abortion only emanates from a penumbra and is difficult to quote.
#12. To: mcgowanjm (#9)
Why Stone posted it.
#13. To: mcgowanjm (#10)
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A single shot 4-10 is all you need.
#14. To: mininggold (#13)
(Edited)
#15. To: A K A Stone (#11)
He kicked the twats ass on that one.
#16. To: mcgowanjm (#14)
The Loma Prieta earthquake, also known as the Quake of '89 and the World Series Earthquake, was a major earthquake that struck the San Francisco Bay Area ...
#17. To: mininggold (#16)
and it has remained this way forevermore.
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