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Title: GOP Governors & States Say ‘No’ To ObamaTax
Source: freedomoutpost.com
URL Source: http://freedomoutpost.com/2012/07/g ... ors-states-say-no-to-obamatax/
Published: Jul 2, 2012
Author: freedomoutpost.com
Post Date: 2012-07-02 19:20:38 by CZ82
Keywords: None
Views: 3976
Comments: 11

GOP Governors & States Say ‘No’ To ObamaTax

Twenty-six states are standing up to the Supreme Court’s ruling on the Affordable Care Act. Though Obamacare has been deemed Constitutional under the authority that Congress has to tax, though that was not how the law was even written, many states are declaring that they will not implement insurance exchanges or expand Medicare under Obamacare.

Wisconsin Governor Scott Walker said that he is not in a hurry to implement the mandate. “We’ll look to the fall and if there is a new president and a new Senate that’s part of a Congress willing to change, that’s the next step — political,” Walker said.

Thonline reports,

Gov. Scott Walker pledged again Thursday not to phase in any parts of President Barack Obama’s signature health care reform law ahead of November’s elections even though the U.S. Supreme Court ruled it is constitutional.

Walker, a Republican, has said he holds out hope the GOP will recapture the White House and gain full control of Congress and repeal the legislation. He reiterated his stance Thursday minutes after the court released its ruling.

“While the court said it was legal, that doesn’t make it right,” Walker said at a news conference. “For us to put time and effort and resources into that doesn’t make a lot of sense.”

Interestingly enough, Fox News points out that even if states wanted to implement the provision in the AFfordable Care Act, they couldn’t and here’s why:

The provisions require staffing levels that do not exist and do not have funding, the lobbyist said, adding it would take years to iron out the specifics needed to put the law into action. “It can’t work the way it’s on the books right now. Part of that is that there is so much haze within the act,” said Robert Slayton of the Illinois Association of Health Care Underwriters.

The “haze” comes from 2,700 pages of legal language in the act. Those pages contain provisions that have yet to see the light of day. When the public and the health care industry learn the requirements of those provisions, inevitably they may conflict with the interests of the states. That means new legal challenges are sure to follow. “You’ll see a dozen more battles in the coming years … and some of them will be in the Supreme Court,” said Anup Malani, health law expert at the University of Chicago.

Slayton said the Affordable Care Act does not live up to its name and only addresses one of the problems with health care — access.

Florida Governor Rick Scott echoes Scott Walker as Fox News reports,

Gov. Rick Scott tells Fox News that he and his Attorney General, Pam Bondi, will work tirelessly to make sure the law is repealed. He feels that can be done by electing officials, like Mitt Romney, who have vowed to fight the law before 2014, when most of its provisions kick in.

If that doesn’t happen, Scott insists he still won’t “implement these exchanges that will increase the cost of health and make Medicaid worse.”

Scott claims Medicaid has been growing in Florida at three-and-half times the state’s general revenue. He calls the law the “biggest job killer ever” and says Floridians cannot afford the $1.9 billion dollar increase he believes the law will cost.

Gov. Scott doesn’t believe the law will go into effect in 2014. As a result, he’s also not expanding his state’s Medicaid program. And he says Florida can do without the federal money it will lose.

Even Governor Bobby Jindal will not be implementing Obamacare.

Bobby Jindal, the Governor of Louisiana is one of the possible running mates for Republican presidential nominee Mitt Romney. He said that even though the Supreme Court upheld the Affordable Care Act last week, he was not going to implement it in Louisiana. Jindal said the health care law was a blow to the freedoms of Americans and the President forced that it on the American public.

Jindal said the law means what next will be allowable in the future. He said taxes on people who are refusing to drive a particular car or eat a particular tofu are on the horizon if the law is implemented. Jindal promised that Louisiana would not set up any exchanges.

This is just about right. States are going to have to stand up together, not individually against a tyrannical president and a completely “out to lunch” Supreme Court ruling in order to stop this madness. I say kudos to each of these governors for upholding the Tenth Amendment.


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#1. To: CZ82 (#0)

The Governors are under no obligation to follow an unconstitutional law. Regardless what the "Supreme Court" says. There is zero authority in the constitution for the Supreme court to be the last word on if something is constitutional.

Obama isn't even from this country. So no one has to obey anything that asswipe says.

A K A Stone  posted on  2012-07-02   19:43:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: CZ82 (#0) (Edited)

Jindal said the law means what next will be allowable in the future. He said taxes on people who are refusing to drive a particular car or eat a particular tofu are on the horizon if the law is implemented.

This is exactly right.

Imagine a future in which you must PROVE to the IRS that you've purchased a pound of broccoli for each family member per week or the IRS will impose a tax penalty on you.

That is what's coming next -- just look at Mayor Bloomberg's food police for the trend.

This ruling enables the U.S. government to construct a truly totalitarian society, where politicians are able to micro-manage every aspect of your life for your own good.

It's truly frightening. We can thank another Bush judicial appointee for it.


"we must as a species go into a period of shrinkage that we have not experienced since the Dark Ages and the Black Plague" -- lucysmom (A.K.A. minnigold)

jwpegler  posted on  2012-07-03   10:21:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: jwpegler (#2)

This ruling enables the U.S. government to construct a truly totalitarian society, where politicians are able to micro-manage every aspect of your life for your own good.

When a very large percentage of that 2,700 page abortion says "at the discretion of" (some politically motivated douchebag) you know you're screwed... They can conceivably control every aspect of everyones life in the entire country with this one POS bill!!!

Choosing and voting for a presidential candidate is like picking which STD you want to suffer from….

CZ82  posted on  2012-07-03   16:36:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: CZ82 (#3)

When a very large percentage of that 2,700 page abortion says "at the discretion of" (some politically motivated douchebag)...

Enforced by the most ruthless collection agency on the planet -- the IRS.

That's the part that seems to be lost on most people.


"we must as a species go into a period of shrinkage that we have not experienced since the Dark Ages and the Black Plague" -- lucysmom (A.K.A. minnigold)

jwpegler  posted on  2012-07-03   16:38:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: jwpegler, liberator (#2)

Imagine a future in which you must PROVE to the IRS that you've purchased a pound of broccoli for each family member per week or the IRS will impose a tax penalty on you.

I believe the law lets the states create these insurance exchanges, which then provide subsidies based on income. At the federal level, there are no subsidies. And according to the Robert's ruling, there can be no penalty for states that do not comply.

So it truly is up to each state to implement this fiasco.

Another good reason for me to leave Mexifornia as soon as possible!

Serenissima Venezia  posted on  2012-07-03   16:42:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Serenissima Venezia (#5)

And according to the Robert's ruling, there can be no penalty for states that do not comply.

You are confusing two separate things.

A.) The Court ruled that states who don't expand Medicaid cannot be penalized by withholding current Medicaid payments.

B.) The Court ruled that the U.S. government can penalize individuals who don't buy healthcare insurance. Roberts called this penalty a tax. This ruling enables future legislation that could penalize us for not buying healthy food, electric cars, or anything else. It's the biggest expansion of the government's powers since the New Deal.


"we must as a species go into a period of shrinkage that we have not experienced since the Dark Ages and the Black Plague" -- lucysmom (A.K.A. minnigold)

jwpegler  posted on  2012-07-03   16:53:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: jwpegler (#4)

Enforced by the most ruthless collection agency on the planet -- the IRS.

That's the part that seems to be lost on most people.

And you won't be able to have any bank accounts of any size for fear of it being raided by the IRS!!!

Choosing and voting for a presidential candidate is like picking which STD you want to suffer from….

CZ82  posted on  2012-07-03   16:53:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: jwpegler (#6)

A.) The Court ruled that states who don't expand Medicaid cannot be penalized by withholding current Medicaid payments.

B.) The Court ruled that the U.S. government can penalize individuals who don't buy healthcare insurance. Roberts called this penalty a tax. This ruling enables future legislation that could penalize us for not buying healthy food, electric cars, or anything else. It's the biggest expansion of the government's powers since the New Deal.

As far as A goes, is expanding Medicaid the same thing as these insurance exchanges?

If so, then it sounds like you are saying that states can not allow these insurance exchanges, therefore giving people no subsidy when buying insurance, yet the federal government can access them a penalty for not paying for insurance at the full price.

Is that it? It's not quite what Obama care was meant to be – further expansion of the government and more people getting money from the government.

Serenissima Venezia  posted on  2012-07-03   18:36:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Serenissima Venezia (#8) (Edited)

is expanding Medicaid the same thing as these insurance exchanges?

No.

Medicaid is government insurance for poor people.

The insurance exchanges are for the rest of us to buy our own insurance.


"we must as a species go into a period of shrinkage that we have not experienced since the Dark Ages and the Black Plague" -- lucysmom (A.K.A. minnigold)

jwpegler  posted on  2012-07-04   9:51:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: jwpegler (#9)

No.

Medicaid is government insurance for poor people.

The insurance exchanges are for the rest of us to buy our own insurance.

Yes, I know that.

I originally said the states are not being penalized for not setting up the insurance exchanges. You brought Medicaid into the discussion, saying I was confusing the two.

This 'discussion' is going nowhere.

Serenissima Venezia  posted on  2012-07-04   23:31:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Serenissima Venezia (#10) (Edited)

This 'discussion' is going nowhere.

The bottom line is that starting in 2014 YOU will be fined if you don't purchase healthcare insurance. The fines will escalate every year. This will happen regardless of what any state government does with regards to Obamacare.


"we must as a species go into a period of shrinkage that we have not experienced since the Dark Ages and the Black Plague" -- lucysmom (A.K.A. minnigold)

jwpegler  posted on  2012-07-05   10:30:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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