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Title: Experts Eat Crow After High Court Health Ruling
Source: THE HILL
URL Source: http://thehill.com/blogs/healthwatc ... t-crow-after-high-court-ruling
Published: Jun 30, 2012
Author: Sam Baker
Post Date: 2012-06-30 12:42:18 by Brian S
Keywords: None
Views: 1341
Comments: 3

The Supreme Court’s healthcare ruling upended conventional wisdom and expert predictions at nearly every turn.

The court said in a 5-4 decision this week that the individual mandate in President Obama’s healthcare law is constitutional. The court also said the law’s Medicaid expansion was unconstitutional, but found a fix that didn’t require striking down the entire law.

Even lawmakers and legal experts who correctly predicted that the court would uphold the mandate were surprised by the details of the decision and the makeup of the court’s majority. Some lawyers who worked on the case were surprised at their victories on certain points.

“I’m still surprised at how we got here. I’m sure President Obama is surprised at how we got here,” said Alberto Gonzales, who served as attorney general under President George W. Bush and helped vet Chief Justice John Roberts during the nomination process.

Gonzales said he expected the court to uphold the healthcare law, but not on the grounds it used.

Roberts and the court’s liberal justices said the individual mandate is constitutional because it functions as a tax — an argument that hadn’t gotten any traction until Thursday.

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#1. To: Brian S (#0)

Roberts and the court’s liberal justices said the individual mandate is constitutional because it functions as a tax — an argument that hadn’t gotten any traction until Thursday.

This is the problem I have with this nation. The idea of being penalized for NOT buying into a government mandated program. There has NEVER been a penalty or tax or any such requirement before in American history upon the People.

Even the federal income tax has no such mandate or requirement other than having to file once a year or when ever you feel like it has no such mandate, assuming you have any income.

But there is more! If you opt out of 0bamakare because you can't afford the mandate, the penalty rises infinitely year after year. Suppose, a person has no personal requirements for medical care and therefore this mandate. Why should they be required to pay a penalty? A penalty for being healthy? Or, a penalty for not being capable of paying in the first place?

Fuck 'em. I have always told many lamers these political zealots are all socialists. I am not buying into it.

buckeroo  posted on  2012-06-30   13:03:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: buckeroo (#1)

This decision now enables gubment, which is now part owner of a major car manufacturing company, to mandate everyone in 'merika to buy a vehicle only from that company, or be penalized via a yearly tax.

What next.....perhaps only using bank a vs all the rest--oh, wait.....the rest will be regulated out of business, or be starved out of business vis gubment action or inaction.

It won't be long now;the accelerator just got stuck, thus ensuring faster acceleration over the cliff.

rowdee  posted on  2012-06-30   13:45:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: rowdee (#2) (Edited)

You and I agree, rowdee: government is ONLY a mechanism to guard our rights, liberties and freedoms from foreign and domestic enemies. That is ALL the government is about or at least in the US Constitution.

Requiring a federal government penalty because some don't choose to join into a method of subversion about a federal government scam is nothing more than coercion. The US government has destroyed the foundations of liberties, freedoms and rights that are the PRINCIPLES for which made this nation is GREAT.

It won't be long now;the accelerator just got stuck, thus ensuring faster acceleration over the cliff.

I am cleaning the guns, today. I am looking for new pictures of federal government idiots on the Internet for the next [practice] target shooting exercises.

buckeroo  posted on  2012-06-30   14:00:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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