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Title: Three Articles that help explain Israel
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WELS (Wisconsin Evangelical Lutheran Synod)
URL Source: http://www.wels.net/news-events/for ... december-2008/invisible-church
Published: Jun 24, 2012
Author: various - Noted at end of each article.
Post Date: 2012-06-24 10:03:21 by SJN
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The Invisible Church As the Bible describes the church, it becomes clear that the church is both what we see and what we cannot see. Church. The word paints a picture. You see the building in which you worship. It may be a small, white-frame building set on a hill in the quiet countryside. Or it may be a large, stone structure occupying a street corner in a busy city. It’s not unusual for us to think of a building when we think of church. Worship is an important part of our lives, and that worship takes place in a building we love, whether it is fancy or plain. But that is not the way the word church is used in the Bible. In Scripture, church most often refers to people and not to buildings. The church is invisible In the New Testament the word ecclesia is often translated as church. Ecclesia refers to a group of people who have been called together. It is an assembly. Yet even that definition does not fully explain what the church is. As the Bible describes the church, it becomes clear that the church is both what we see and what we cannot see. The church is both visible and invisible. Why would we call a church invisible? You can see a building. You can see the people who gather in that building. Yet we do speak of the church as invisible in the Apostles’ Creed when we confess “I believe in the holy Christian church, the communion of saints.” Sometimes people mistakenly use the term saint to refer to a person who does an abundance of good deeds, someone who helps others. But the Bible uses the term to describe simply a believer. We even distinguish between believers who have been called home to heaven and those who still battle in this world. We speak of saints triumphant and saints militant. The apostle Peter describes these believers as “a chosen people, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people belonging to God” (1 Peter 2:9). Together all believers form the holy Christian church, a “spiritual house” made up of living stones chosen by God. When the Holy Spirit works faith in our hearts, we become part of this structure. The Lord Jesus can see the faith in our hearts. We, however, can only see the fruits of faith and not the faith itself. Because we cannot see faith, the church is invisible to our eyes. The prophet Elijah did not recognize that there were still seven thousand believers in Israel (1 Kings 19:8-18). He thought that he was the only believer left. Likewise, we cannot always tell whether a person is a believer or an unbeliever. As the Bible describes the church, it becomes clear that the church is both what we see and what we cannot see. Although the church may be invisible to us, the Lord sees his church clearly. “The Lord knows those who are his” (2 Timothy 2:19). At the same time each person knows what is in his or her heart. Trusting in the promises the Lord gives us, we know that we belong to that communion of saints, the church of God. Characteristics of the invisible church This invisible gathering of all believers is not limited by geography. The apostle John reminds us that believers come from different places and “from every nation, tribe, people and language” (Revelation 7:9). In addition, the church is not limited by time. All believers who have lived, are now living, and will live until Jesus returns at the end of time—all these believers are part of this church. The church, the body of all believers, is invisible, and it is also universal. Once again we confess this fact in the Third Article of the Apostles’ Creed. “I believe in the holy Christian church.” The first people who used this confession of faith said, “I believe in the holy catholic church.” The word catholic originally had no denominational connotation. It simply meant universal. When catholic became associated with a particular organization, the word Christian was substituted to prevent confusion. In the Apostles’ Creed we confess that we believe that the Lord gathers together everyone whose faith is in Jesus Christ as the Savior. People believe in many things. We say that we believe in our team, in our country, and in people who are dear to us. Likewise, many people believe in some religious figure other than Christ. God’s invisible church gathers together only those people who confess Jesus as their Savior. We distinguish ourselves from the followers of Judaism, Islam, Buddhism, and every other religion. We confess that Jesus Christ is true man and true God. We believe that Christ is sinless and perfect and that he is the Lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world. As the Bible describes the church, it becomes clear that the church is both what we see and what we cannot see. In a world that suggests that it does not matter what you believe as long as you believe, it becomes important to remember that the invisible church gathers together all believers in Christ. Without faith in Jesus we cannot be saved. Without Jesus we have no part in the communion of saints, the gathering of all believers. Jesus makes that clear when he says, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me” (John 14:6). People die. Church buildings may fall apart. Congregations may disband. But the invisible church continues. The Lord has promised that there will always be true believers who are kept faithful by the power of God. “My sheep listen to my voice; I know them, and they follow me. I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one can snatch them out of my hand” (John 10:27,28). What a comfort it is to know that the Holy Spirit, who calls us to faith, also preserves us in that faith through the gospel in Word and sacraments! It is easy to become attached to a congregation. It is in that fellowship that we listen to the good news of Jesus proclaimed. There we hear that our sins are forgiven. In our congregation we draw close to Jesus as we receive the sacrament of his body and blood. Likewise the building in which a congregation worships may be a special place. It may be the same structure in which we were baptized, confirmed, and married. It reminds us of all the blessings God has showered upon us. But we are part of something that is even more valuable, the holy Christian church. Our triune God has brought us together with people we may never see or know on this side of eternity. Through faith the Lord has made us a part of the congregation of all believers. Right now we are not able to see this church in its entirety. Yet what is invisible to our eyes now will be seen when the Lord returns in glory. What a joy it will be to see all believers from every part of the world and from all times! The day will come when we will gather together and praise the God of grace who gives us membership in his family, the invisible church. That church is not really invisible. It is only invisible to us. God sees it clearly. James Korthals, a professor at Wisconsin Lutheran Seminary, Mequon, Wisconsin, is a member at David’s Star, Jackson. Peter's Picture of the Church 1 Peter 2:4-10 The word "temple" in our modern society usually describes a large, beautiful building which is used for the worship of some god. The use of such temples goes back thousands of years. Peter used it to paint a beautiful word picture of Jesus and his church in 2:4-8. Made up of living stones Jesus is pictured in many ways in John's gospel. Peter adds his own picture here, when he writes, "The Lord Jesus is the living stone" (v. 4). In verse 6 he gives the original source for this statement (Isaiah 28:16), where God said, "Look! I'm laying a stone in Zion [another name for Israel], a very special cornerstone of great value, and the person who believes in him will never be disappointed." In the ancient world the cornerstone was more than a stone on which was carved the date of construction. The cornerstone determined the length, the width, and the height of the building, so that the whole building depended on that cornerstone. That is the picture Peter uses to describe the church in verse 5a, where he says, "And since you are living stones, as you come to him you are built up into a spiritual temple," of which Jesus is the cornerstone. The church is built on Jesus, and around Jesus, the cornerstone. And it is made up of people who are like Jesus--perfectly holy beings in God's sight. That is the way God sees every person who truly believes in Jesus as his or her Savior, because our God-given faith makes us new creatures who are perfectly holy in God's sight, and every such person "will never be disappointed" on Judgment Day. Then Peter explains in verse 7, "This means that he's of great value to you people who believe in him, but for those who don't believe in him, 'the stone which the builders [the Jewish nation as a whole] decided was no good, is the very one which has become the cornerstone'; and 'the stone which will make people stumble, and the rock which will make them fall.' "How clear Peter makes it that Jesus is the difference between eternal life and eternal damnation. We are now a holy group of priests Next Peter uses a new metaphor in verse 5 when he says that the believers who come to Jesus as living stones "are built up into a spiritual temple, to be a holy group of priests, who offer up spiritual sacrifices which God is happy to receive." He continues in verses 9,10, "There was a time when you were no people at all, but now you are God's people. You who never knew God's mercy have now received his mercy." Praise the Lord! Peter is reminding us that there was a time when we were all outsiders, so far as God is concerned, unbelievers who had never heard of the triune God. But now that we have heard the good news and have come to believe it, we are God's people, while the Jews, as a nation, have rejected their Messiah and are outsiders. Now you must take note of the fact that every believer is a priest whose principal occupation it is to offer spiritual sacrifices to our triune God each day of our lives. Yes, from morning to evening we offer our God our thanks and praises for the undeserved love he has shown us by sending first his Son to atone for all our sins, and then his Holy Spirit who has brought us to believe the good news that all our sins are forgiven by Jesus' death on the cross, so that we are now God's children who are perfectly holy in God's sight. Our task as priests is to also bring him our other sacrifices. First there are our time and our talents which we spend carrying out the different tasks we can do as members of our congregations. In some cases we may give our Lord all of our time and talents to serve as pastors, teachers, missionaries, or church office workers. All of us, whether we are active workers or not, can offer the Lord a portion of our financial resources, which represent the value of our time spent in some gainful occupation. And of course the temple in which we serve is known to us as the church, the whole body of believers. The picture of the church that Peter gives us here is perhaps the most complete picture to be found anywhere in the Bible. Julian Anderson is a retired pastor and seminary professor living in Naples, Florida. Samuel: A Judge in Israel Concentrating on the Lord is daunting when dangers clamor for attention. Think back 300 years before Samuel. Following the death of those who carved a Jewish homeland out of Canaan, “another generation grew up, who knew neither the Lord nor what he had done for Israel” (Judges 2:10). To awaken his spiritually-anesthetized people, God enlisted neighboring nations to harass, enslave, and terrorize Israel. Slapped to consciousness, God’s people recognized their sin, pleaded for forgiveness, and prayed for relief. God then raised up leaders—judges—who with the Lord’s power pushed back the oppressors. Moral and spiritual health flourished. But “when the judge died, the people returned to ways even more corrupt than those of their fathers . . .” (Judges 2:19). Repenting to God This cycle of godlessness, oppression, repentance, freedom, upright living, and a return to godlessness repeated itself until Samuel. Remember Eli and his sons? 1 Samuel 7 brings us to a repentance and freedom section of that cycle and to Samuel as Israel’s final judge. The Ark of the Covenant remained in the border town of Kiriath-Jearim for 20 years after the Philistines captured it and then returned it to stem a Lord-induced plague. During those two decades “all the people of Israel mourned and sought after the Lord” (7:2). To confirm that renaissance of faith, Samuel summoned his countrymen to a spiritually essential, but politically provocative, act—national purification and rededication. Israel was not a free country. Philistine overlords kept close watch. When their surveillance noticed huge numbers of Israelites staging at Mizpah (literally, “look out point”), their early-warning alarms wailed. Mizpah was a military gem mounted in hills about eight miles north of Jerusalem. Soon the sound of Philistine marching boots, the clank of armor, and the bellow of war trumpets echoed off Mizpah. “When the Israelites heard of it, they were afraid . . .” (7:7). No doubt. Concentrating on the Lord is daunting when dangers (dare we add personal problems or financial difficulties) clamor for attention. Victory through God Samuel, however, urged Israel to fasten on God. “Do not stop crying out to the Lord our God for us, that he may rescue us” (7:8). Strength was not in their military might, but in the Lord’s omnipotence. God confirmed that. With Israeli knees bent in prayer and without an Israeli sword unsheathed, God’s deafening thunder routed the Philistine army. Panicked, the troops stumbled south toward safety. Their backs made easy targets. The Philistine losses that day did not completely free Israel. We await Saul and David to accomplish that. Israel, however, did enjoy a season of peace with Philistia and, as a fringe benefit, with the Amorites. Concentrating on the Lord is daunting when dangers clamor for attention. To mark the victory, Samuel set up a monument called Ebenezer (“stone of help”). Ebenezer stones (church cornerstones, wedding anniversaries, birthdays) remind us, “Thus far has the Lord helped us.” But our most conclusive proof that there’s always an upside in our downside world is Jesus, “the stone the builders rejected [that] has become the capstone” (1 Peter 2:7). James A. Aderman is pastor at Fairview, Milwaukee.
(The Following article should help to illuminate why the Nation of Israel and it's people have seen thousands of years of turmoil).
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#200. To: Murron (#198)
And you're just a crackpot, circling the Tidy Bowl with LF's liberal contingent.
I don't know why you accept his claims at face value. Or why you consider his opinion to have elevated meaning if he was SF. We have a confessed war criminal now running for U.S. Senate. He was a SEAL who has admitted to war crimes in Vietnam. So does that somehow make him credible all at once? Maybe he could wave his stump at you if you doubt him. But we do know he is a SEAL. Can you vouch for sneaky? I don't think so. The internet is chock full of SEAL wannabes. Even those who never served can pick up plenty of lingo and procedural information at the various vet forums.
I notice that sneaky is trying to stir up a rabble of his liberal buddies from LP over this thread. Just don't post it here at LF. And you should ban Fred Mertz. He is nothing but trouble on every conservative forum he has ventured to. Very much like Boxcar "Willie Green" in that respect.
I give the benefit of the doubt on these forums until something presents itself otherwise.
As iron sharpens iron, So a man sharpens the countenance of his friend. -Proverbs 27:17 (NKJV)
Now up to 4 Bozos here on LF. Must be getting under the skin. Brian S (we all know what the "s" stands for) was the third to put me on Bozo. Wondering if ol' Jimma put me there too for #4?
As iron sharpens iron, So a man sharpens the countenance of his friend. -Proverbs 27:17 (NKJV)
Thank you TC!
You come from a position that sees "tolerance" as being "acceptance." Gays are asking for acceptance and indoctrination and not tolerance. The true meaning of tolerance is this: you have a position, I have a position, we do not agree with each other's position but depart peacefully. What comes after this is called acceptance. Acceptance would be we have opposing views and one of us backs down and "accepts" the other's position as their own. Folks like SJN, me, Liberator and A K A Stone are all about tolerance as it is properly defined. We will not accept the homosexual position. And because folk like us do not accept your position on homosexuality there is only one option left to 'win' the debate. That would be called indoctrination and re- education. And WE ARE seeing that indoctrination today are we not? It is happening in the schools, after school programs, on TV and in universities. This week is the 50th Anniversary of the court decisions forbidding prayer and Bible study in public schools. So you can't say the Christians are trying to indoctrinate the kids in public forums, they can't it is illegal. However, given the homosexual lobby is not considered a religion (it should be) they can get local permission from school boards to "evangelize" their position thus cutting off the whole tolerance or acceptance route to the national debate. That is what good Christian folk are fighting for. Some form of neutrality. If gays can spread their false gospel to the masses unopposed hiding behind the cloak of "intolerance" and "bigotry" of others, The Gospel of Jesus Christ should be getting equal time. And if Christians do not get equal time, then we should be all demanding neutrality, which brings us back to the REAL meaning of tolerance. So based on the above, you can keep calling us intolerant bigots but that has little meaning and is just a chant. If you were tolerant in the real sense of the word, you could call the Christian response to the homosexual agenda as reactionary. And Christians would be correct and tolerant in calling the radical homosexual agenda an insurgency. As iron sharpens iron, So a man sharpens the countenance of his friend. -Proverbs 27:17 (NKJV) Excellent, excellent summary. You have nailed it perfectly.
It is the constant battle of the wills: -Those that want to teach you how to think vs. -Those that teach you what to think
As iron sharpens iron, So a man sharpens the countenance of his friend. -Proverbs 27:17 (NKJV)
Maybe it already has. Do you really find that many viciously aggressively antichrist atheist types, full of hate for religion like sneakypete is, in the military? Personally, I've never met even one that behaved like this. And I would guess you haven't either. Isn't it peculiar how sneaky reserves every bit of his fury only for Christians? I've never seen him post a peep on the Major Hassan shootings at Fort Hood. You'd think he might reserve a bit of his venom for the Muslims. But, no, his only target is the Prince of Peace. That's why I don't buy it. Never did. No doubt, he and others can summon considerable military or weapons lingo to parade around but I still don't buy it. I've come to believe that up to half the people who make such claims online have never gotten closer to the actual military than playing board game re-enactments of historical battles and watching Discovery channel and Military channel materials. Anyone can read historical novels, frequent veteran forums, pick up the lingo, etc. I do know that there are a lot of military imposters online. Sneaky isn't merely debating here. He's pouring out his rage at Christ.
Personally, I've never met even one that behaved like this. And I would guess you haven't either. Isn't it peculiar how sneaky reserves every bit of his fury only for Christians? I've never seen him post a peep on the Major Hassan shootings at Fort Hood. You'd think he might reserve a bit of his venom for the Muslims. But, no, his only target is the Prince of Peace. I have to say, in the Army today there IS that element. Most are younger and came in when the floodgate was open after 9/11. Much different military now than before 9/11. We have not changed for the better I will say. But the mold of the SF Soldier from the era pete hails from, your statement would be correct. Not many honorably discharged Soldiers from the Vietnam era would spout the garbage he does. Only John Kerry types whose discharge circumstances were dubious.
As iron sharpens iron, So a man sharpens the countenance of his friend. -Proverbs 27:17 (NKJV)
Break federal laws and you'll find they'll turn you into a homosexual in a federal prison. And not by your own choice. So they passed that hurdle long ago. They could care less even though they occasionally make a few public laments over the state of their prisons as free-rape zones of the vast majority of inmates. So literally millions of normal men have already been forced into being homosexuals involuntarily as a result of the longstanding federal policy of our government(s). There is no denying it. It is state-imposed sexual slavery. It is rape as criminal punishment.
Exactly. The whiff is pretty strong. I was going to mention that same thing in my last post but didn't...that the only ex-military I've heard rage this way are the dishononable or less-than-honorable discharged ones.
Biff don't be a fool. Marriage is between a man and a woman. Doesn't matter what the NIGGER in the White House says. Yeah I said Obama is a nigger. Nigger, nigger, nigger.
So what about all the ones who are pedophiles???
Political Bumper Stickers: The fastest way in the world to let people know you are a total dumbass.... Total number of Obama 2012 bumper stickers I've seen so far......5.. Total number of Romney 2012 bumper stickers I've seen so far...0.. Total number of Obama vs GW Bush 2012 bumper stickers....2!!
What makes you think I give a shit about what some satanist Obama cock worshiper that rolls around in human shit thinks?
These comments are just too much. You do realize Google is recording all of that for posterity? Adios.
Adios. Good they will see that I am not one of the girly men. That I am one of the pissed off people Oh and the 3 or 4 people you wanted me to ban. The answer is no. What I described is what Mike figuratively does. He is a sex pervert that wants to corrupt our culture. He wouldn't be nearly as bad if he just acted like the pig he is and rolled around in it.
Pedophiles feel intimitated sexually by their peers and go for innocent prey. Many pedophiles don't care about the gender of the child. Someone who is a pedophile is that, a pedophile, not a heterosexual or a homosexual.
You must be on a bad acid trip to so badly miss the person whom that discription applies to. You are very immature and apparently incapable of comporting yourself properly in adult conversation. This is your problem, not mine.
Mike quit making exescuses for queers. If the queer goes for the boy and he is male he is a faggot pedophile and should be put to death. If the pedophile likes girls and is male he is a hetro pedophile, equally deserving of death.
I'm not interesting in having a conversation with destroyers of my nation. I'm more interested in destroying your type of person. I don't care about your little sissy words of tolerating pedophiles and queers and other evil doers. You should know about that. Didn't your wife leave you because you were to obsessed with the people who pay others to mutilate their genitalia.
I have been arguing many many issues since getting on line in the mid 1990s. One of them is this issue. In 1996-8 this was a hot topic on the Time.com politics board, and I bothered to read the APA studies on homosexuality and saw first hand the well done research that showed homosexuals are quite normal; and productive, with only a difference in gender preference than you or me. I have the good fortune of having met and known an extremely large number of gays and lesbians in Eugne, Portland and other places. I have noted for myself that their gender preference does not reduce their value as citizens or human beings. Now if you want to be a bigot and keep your head in the sand like an ostrich, that is your problem. But if we ever get another group trying to vilify gays and lesbians unfairly again here in Oregon as we did when the Oregon Citizen's Alliance was trying to do it and failed. I will be must happy to get again once more in helping defeat their efforts as I did the first time as an activist working for Oregon basic Rights. Injustice and bigotry anywhere is a threat to justice and human rights for everyone. I also worked in Eugene Free South Africa in the 1980s, and on the American Indian Movement in the early 1970s. Caring about human rights is what I am into. And that will never change.
Your diatribe sounds every bit as irrational and intolerant as anything Hitler's followers fervently believed. My ex and I are still friends and co-parents. Why we split is private as is the case with many of the divorces in this country. What the rest of the garbled junk in your post means is not comprehensible, and feel free to leave it that way.
God said it aint right. I'll go with God instead of some freaks trying to rationalize deviant behavior.
It is good fortune to hang out with sex perverts and degenerates? Sounds like your town needs several cans of RAID.
I have been attending the Olympic Trials herein Eugene, Oregon with my sister who is from a state closer to your's then mine. She is still going to foolishly waste her time at Liberty post and the other forums she goes to, many of which I like too. If you think for a moment she is me, you are quite the idiot. ;-D
They are still human Mike. They are sinners who want their sin to be proclaimed righteous. I could care less if they want to be perverts. But when they try to desecrate the meaning of marriage. Those are fighting words and I would rather have the faggots wiped off the earth then be forced by government to accept the equivalent of pedophile marriage. It is sick Mike. You are sick Mike. Your opinions don't matter to anyone who knows right from wrong. Which in your continuing state of confusion you don't know.
It sounds like you are not going to elevate the level of discourse to a sane adult level, so take care, nice chatting with you bud, But I have things do do right now. Laters.
Ooooh whippie doo. Does it make you feel important when you tell us you've been on the net since the mid 90's. Well I was going online for a dozen years before you ever thought about it. I must be really important now huh.
You are a anti marriage bigot fool.
Oooh another whippy doo.
Oooh another whippe doo.
Homosexual relationships are normal human sexual relationships that have always been around and always will be. You can't do a Hitler style 'final solution' and get rid of them. All you would do is be a part of humanity who would be remembered in the same breath as the Adolf Hitlers of the world.
So you readily admit you are a fool too. Ok thanks but I already knew that.
So why don't t babies come out of mens asses?
I want to get married again and will someday. Perhaps even to my current lady friend. I an deeply concerned we are at a historic low point in the number of people who are married. Only 49% of men and women are involved in heterosexual marriage, and it behooves all of us to work to improve marriage.
All you would do is be a part of humanity who would be remembered in the same breath as the Adolf Hitlers of the world. No I can't nor would I want to. Is that why you hate God? You know because ha hates fags and killed bunch of them at Sodom and Gomorrah.
You can only get married once fool. Every time you have sex with anyone other then your original wife is adultery. You sinner you. Is your new "lady friend" attracted to scrawny girly men, who constantly go on the internet and champion the cause of men who cut their penis's off? Or have you been working your bean pole like arms out?
babies don't come out of Kleenex used to clean up with after any man, gay or straight masturbates. They don't come from people who are sterile, too old, or if the couple is using birth control either. Straight couples also engage in sodomy too. Your argument/rant has no legs to stand on.
Dammit Mike you finally said something sane. I knew deep down you had a bit of decency in you. Now let that part of you grow.
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#201. To: redleghunter (#197)
And as an SF Soldier you will figure out what MISO is.
#202. To: Fred Mertz, A K A Stone, redleghunter (#201)
#203. To: TooConservative (#201)
The internet is chock full of SEAL wannabes. Even those who never served can pick up plenty of lingo and procedural information at the various vet forums.
#204. To: TooConservative, Liberator, A K A Stone, SJN (#137)
#205. To: TooConservative (#179)
#206. To: redleghunter (#180)
Really? Was it love and tolerance that led gays to stone and threaten Mormon churches after Prop 8 was passed in CA?
#207. To: SJN (#206)
#208. To: redleghunter (#203)
I give the benefit of the doubt on these forums until something presents itself otherwise.
#209. To: TooConservative (#208)
Maybe it already has. Do you really find that many viciously aggressively antichrist atheist types, full of hate for religion like sneakypete is, in the military?
#210. To: sneakypete (#187)
Do you think the government can pass a law and make YOU a homosexual?
#211. To: redleghunter (#209)
Not many honorably discharged Soldiers from the Vietnam era would spout the garbage he does.
#212. To: Biff Tannen (#157)
lol, you are trying to use the force of government to impose your beliefs.
#213. To: Ferret Mike (#154)
Homosexual people are quite normal and have always been.....
#214. To: Ferret Mike (#156)
What makes you think that you acting like a child with petty baiting bothers me?
#215. To: A K A Stone (#214)
#216. To: TooConservative (#215)
You do realize Google is recording all of that for posterity?
#217. To: CZ82 (#213)
#218. To: A K A Stone (#214)
"What makes you think I give a shit about what some satanist Obama cock worshiper that rolls around in human shit thinks?"
#219. To: Ferret Mike (#217)
Many pedophiles don't care about the gender of the child. Someone who is a pedophile is that, a pedophile, not a heterosexual or a homosexual.
#220. To: Ferret Mike (#218)
You are very immature and apparently incapable of comporting yourself properly in adult conversation.
#221. To: A K A Stone (#219)
#222. To: A K A Stone (#220)
#223. To: Ferret Mike (#221)
I have been arguing many many issues since getting on line in the mid 1990s. One of them is this issue. In 1996-8 this was a hot topic on the Time.com politics board, and I bothered to read the APA studies on homosexuality and saw first hand the well done research that showed homosexuals are quite normal; and productive, with only a difference in gender preference than you or me.
#224. To: Ferret Mike (#221)
I have the good fortune of having met and known an extremely large number of gays and lesbians in Eugne,
#225. To: A K A Stone (#220)
#226. To: Ferret Mike (#221)
I have noted for myself that their gender preference does not reduce their value as citizens or human beings.
#227. To: A K A Stone (#224)
#228. To: Ferret Mike (#221)
I have been arguing many many issues since getting on line in the mid 1990s.
#229. To: Ferret Mike (#221)
Now if you want to be a bigot and keep your head in the sand like an ostrich, that is your problem.
#230. To: Ferret Mike (#221)
I also worked in Eugene Free South Africa in the 1980s
#231. To: All (#230)
I have been attending the Olympic Trials herein Eugene,
#232. To: A K A Stone (#226)
#233. To: Ferret Mike (#225)
She is still going to foolishly waste her time at Liberty post and the other forums she goes to, many of which I like too.
#234. To: Ferret Mike (#232)
Homosexual relationships are normal human sexual relationships
#235. To: A K A Stone (#229)
"You are a anti marriage bigot fool."
#236. To: Ferret Mike (#232)
You can't do a Hitler style 'final solution' and get rid of them.
#237. To: Ferret Mike (#235)
I want to get married again and will someday.
#238. To: A K A Stone (#234)
#239. To: Ferret Mike (#235)
I an deeply concerned we are at a historic low point in the number of people who are married. Only 49% of men and women are involved in heterosexual marriage, and it behooves all of us to work to improve marriage.
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