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Title: Romney Says He Wouldn't Need Approval of Congress to Attack Iran
Source: The New American
URL Source: http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnew ... val-of-congress-to-attack-iran
Published: Jun 20, 2012
Author: Written by Joe Wolverton, II
Post Date: 2012-06-20 12:20:38 by SJN
Keywords: None
Views: 35453
Comments: 73

Appearing with Bob Schieffer on Sunday’s Face the Nation, Republican presidential candidate and “presumptive nominee” Mitt Romney said that if he is elected in November, he would not need congressional approval to start a war with Iran.

Specifically, Romney said:

I can assure you if I'm president, the Iranians will have no question but that I will be willing to take military action if necessary to prevent them from becoming a nuclear threat to the world. I don't believe at this stage, therefore, if I'm president that we need to have a war powers approval or special authorization for military force. The president has that capacity now. I understand that some in the Senate for instance have written letters to the president indicating you should know that a containment strategy is unacceptable. We cannot survive a course of action which would include a nuclear Iran, and we must be willing to take any and all actions.

Republicans, particularly those occupying the conservative corner of that big tent, may question how Romney’s stance differs significantly from that of President Obama, who famously exercised these imagined “war powers” to initiate military action in Yemen, Libya, and likely Syria.

In his Six-Month Report of the 2012 War Powers Resolution, President Obama informed Congress that the United States, acting under the ostensible authority of the United Nations, NATO, and the Authorization for the Use of Military Force, is currently conducting military operations in Afghanistan, Iraq, Yemen, Somalia, Republic of South Sudan, the Democratic Republic of the Congo, the Central African Republic, Uganda, Egypt, and Kosovo.

American military intervention in every one of these foreign conflicts came about by order of the president without a congressional declaration of war, in direct violation of the separation of powers and enumeration thereof in the Constitution.

Apparently, a President Romney would retain his predecessor’s predilection for ignoring the Constitution and usurping powers that are not his.

This theory is not some politically motivated assertion by Romney’s rivals or an operative of the Obama reelection campaign. As Daniel Larson explained in the American Conservative:

These are not statements that Romney’s critics are putting into his mouth. No one is speculating about what Romney’s position on Iran might be, and no one is imputing views to him that he doesn’t claim to hold. He is telling the public plainly that he believes the United States cannot survive a containment policy directed against Iran. It is fair to conclude from this that Romney is delusional (or is pretending to be delusional) and cannot be entrusted with the responsibilities of the Presidency.

Larson continued:

Romney obviously does not believe war is a last resort, and he clearly doesn't believe that the Congress has anything to say about attacking Iran. According to Romney, it is something that the president could do tomorrow if he believed it necessary. The Constitution is completely irrelevant to Romney, and so is the consent of the American people expressed through its representatives. No one should have any illusions about how Romney would conduct foreign policy if he is elected.

Curiously, it is one of Romney’s newest supporters that once spoke out eloquently and inspiringly against the sort of dictatorial presidency that Romney is promising to perpetuate. On the floor of the Senate, Senator Rand Paul (R-Ky.) said:

Our Founding Fathers were quite concerned about giving the power to declare war to the Executive. They were quite concerned that the Executive could become like a king. Many in this body cannot get boots on ground fast enough in a variety of places, from Syria to Libya to Iran. We don't just send boots to war. We send our young Americans to war. Our young men and women, our soldiers, deserve thoughtful debate. Before sending our young men and women into combat, we should have a mature and thoughtful debate over the ramifications of and over the authorization of war and over the motives of the war. James Madison wrote that the Constitution supposes what history demonstrates. That the Executive is the branch most interested in war and most prone to it. The Constitution, therefore, with studied care vested that power in the Legislature.

Friends of freedom are hopeful that Senator Paul’s endorsement of Mitt Romney has not cost him his dedication to the Constitution or his opposition to the unconstitutional exercise of “war powers” on the part of the occupant of the White House regardless of the letter after his name.

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#2. To: SJN (#0)

Romney's notions here are nothing new. All part of unitary executive theory.

This is part of why an American president is always dangerous. Few real constraints on their power to go to war.

Congress can defund a war. But in a real power struggle between Congress and the executive branch, the president will always hold the upper-hand and will have plenty of ways to keep troops in the field or to use nukes with no consultation at all.

Romney could nuke Tehran and get away with it. So could Obama.

Tooconservative  posted on  2012-06-20   12:32:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: TooConservative (#2)

James Madison wrote that the Constitution supposes what history demonstrates. That the Executive is the branch most interested in war and most prone to it. The Constitution, therefore, with studied care vested that power in the Legislature.

So what happened to the above?

SJN  posted on  2012-06-20   13:12:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: SJN (#3)

James Madison wrote that the Constitution supposes what history demonstrates. That the Executive is the branch most interested in war and most prone to it. The Constitution, therefore, with studied care vested that power in the Legislature.

So what happened to the above?

Yukon says the Constitution is obsolete.

LOLAYDS (Laugh Out Loud At Yukon Drinking Sperm)

nativist nationalist  posted on  2012-06-20   13:16:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: SJN (#3)

So what happened to the above?

Only Congress can declare a war.

But nothing forbids a president from starting a war and carrying it on for some time without any consultation with Congress.

And only Congress, specifically the House, can restrain such wars by defunding them.

People need to be aware of exactly what the Constitution does and does not say about war powers and other matters.

Tooconservative  posted on  2012-06-20   13:36:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: TooConservative (#5) (Edited)

There is nothing in the USCON that states that the POTUS may *start* a war.

I'll believe that a corporation is a person 1 second after Texas executes one...

war  posted on  2012-06-20   14:47:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: TooConservative (#5)

Only Congress can declare a war. But nothing forbids a president from starting a war and carrying it on for some time without any consultation with Congress.

Is that officially or un-officially?

Consultation with and Congressional approval means diddly. Why is anyone pretending otherwise??

0buma dictatorial governance is proof that he can indeed defy the USCON, Congress, Senatorial Inquiry, and enforce edicts that everyone MUST sh*t rainbows. OR ELSE.

Failure to comply could be met with the Wrath Khan of all the other fedgoob alphabet agencies and personnel whose budgets and paychecks. OR else.

His (and our) entire governance is coercive up and down the goobermental Food-Chain.

People need to be aware of exactly what the Constitution does and does not say about war powers and other matters.

As thought it actually matters?? Lol - Come on, TC.

Liberator  posted on  2012-06-20   15:00:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: war (#6)

There is nothing in the USCON that states that the POTUS may *start* a war.

Gonna define the word "start" now??

No one purses/warps/perverts the English language like a self-serving "Progressive"/Dem.

Liberator  posted on  2012-06-20   15:03:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Brian S (#1)

I wonder if he thinks more wars for the bastard state, some call israel, will be a politically 'winning' position?

Speaking of wars, Brian, (and The One who has illegally ousted leaders and created a half-dozen "revolutions" and wars in the ME), I'm more interested in your opinion of 0buma's total FUBARing of the Middle East and his enabling of the Muslim Botherhood, Muslim militants, and Al Qaeda to enforce an insane Death Cult Governance.

Liberator  posted on  2012-06-20   15:08:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: SJN (#3)

James Madison wrote that the Constitution supposes what history demonstrates. That the Executive is the branch most interested in war and most prone to it. The Constitution, therefore, with studied care vested that power in the Legislature.

So what happened to the above?

The Korean War happened.

The U.N. Security Council (without a presence from China or the Soviet Union) voted 9 to 0 to condemn North Korea's invasion of the South.

Harry Truman jumped on the opportunity and committed U.S. troops to a U.N. force.

We can all "thank" Harry Truman for changing the country's basic notion of how we go to war.


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jwpegler  posted on  2012-06-20   15:23:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Liberator (#7)

As thought it actually matters?? Lol - Come on, TC.

A president isn't restrained by Congress at all in foreign policy and defense (including making war).

The Senate can reject treaties the prez signs. The House can defund his wars. That's about it, War Powers Act or not.

The fundamental problem is that you do not have a consistent permanent antiwar faction in either political party. So politics naturally reflects this, no matter what the laws and the Constitution says.

Look at the Republican support for Obama's optional warfare in Yemen, Libya and the clamor for war in Syria and Iran.

Tooconservative  posted on  2012-06-20   15:28:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Liberator (#9)

I'm more interested in your opinion of 0buma's total FUBARing of the Middle East and his enabling of the Muslim Botherhood, Muslim militants, and Al Qaeda to enforce an insane Death Cult Governance.

Since they, Muslim Botherhood, Muslim militants, and Al Qaeda, are enemies of the bastard state you call israel, I couldn't be more pleased with the developments in the ME.

That IS one of the major reasons I supported Obama in 2008 (I thought he would go there) and why, at this point in time I am supporting him in 2012.

Never swear "allegiance" to anything other than the 'right to change your mind'!

Brian S  posted on  2012-06-20   16:04:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: TooConservative (#11)

A president isn't restrained by Congress at all in foreign policy and defense (including making war).

The Senate can reject treaties the prez signs. The House can defund his wars. That's about it, War Powers Act or not.

The fundamental problem is that you do not have a consistent permanent antiwar faction in either political party. So politics naturally reflects this, no matter what the laws and the Constitution says.

Irrespective of "politics," the lynch-pin by which all authority is derived and delegated is a failure to have a consistent respect for the letter of the law and Constitution which has clearly been compromised AT THE TOP. This has been achieved through a collusive "gentleman's agreement" between Congress, the Executive Branch, and Judicial Branch. Immunity for all who violate the constitution's pesky constraints.

Moreover, when the U.S. Senate refused to hear the evidence of crimes committed by Bubba and dismissed Impeachment charges, it became excruciatingly painful that this single act signaled to all that a President would now and forever be declared to be immune to and from justice. Thus: Since Bubba wuz declared "King," the Oval Office has become Throne of the U.S. Goobermint. No wonder the Dems and media subjects never want to give it up.

Liberator  posted on  2012-06-20   18:59:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Liberator (#13)

The government will dare whatever the voters will tolerate.

Tooconservative  posted on  2012-06-20   19:14:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Brian S, aka Muslim-Firster, all (#12)

Since they, Muslim Botherhood, Muslim militants, and Al Qaeda, are enemies of the bastard state you call israel, I couldn't be more pleased with the developments in the ME.

Of course you couldn't; It's not YOUR blood, nor YOUR freedom, nor YOUR peace, nor YOUR sweat and tears affected by your support and lust of a Death Cult and Islamofascism. At least you admit you are a tool FOR both. Must be nice to have you hands clean as you hide safely under your bed, shielded by the sword of Western Civilization, eh?

Israel deserves its own land as much as ANY in the region OR the world; Funny how History has demonstrated Israel's blood-claim of its own land...

NOT so much for the fake borders created by the British for a so-called "Trans-Jordan"; or a family that was given the borders of Arabian peninsula; a fake border of the wholly contrived Kuwait; and the entire region's "bastardized" borders - not to mention the "bastardized" borders of Europe, Africa, and Asia....oh...and BOTH Americas.

That IS one of the major reasons I supported Obama in 2008 (I thought he would go there) and why, at this point in time I am supporting him in 2012.

Are you even an American, "Brian"?? Your #1 Issue for a President, an American governance, and a nation's sovereignty and economy under siege is....Israel??

Just...WOW. A Muslim-Firster. Who doesn't give a rats azz about the USA. Stunning.

Liberator  posted on  2012-06-20   19:15:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: TooConservative (#14)

The government will dare whatever the voters will tolerate.

I hadn't noticed.

TSA0bumaHolderFast&FuriousMuslimRacistGayTARP0bumaCareWealthRe-DistributionExecutivePrivilegeNoBirthCertSolyndraDronesCoughHackSpit...

Liberator  posted on  2012-06-20   19:19:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: Liberator (#15) (Edited)

Just...WOW. A Muslim-Firster. Who doesn't give a rats azz about the USA. Stunning.

I'd guess closer to an Israel-Lastest.

Tooconservative  posted on  2012-06-20   19:30:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Liberator (#15)

I don't argue that there is a muslim problem but first things, first.

Never swear "allegiance" to anything other than the 'right to change your mind'!

Brian S  posted on  2012-06-20   20:11:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: TooConservative, Brian (#17)

I'd guess closer to an Israel-Lastest.

That's being generous.

When your #1 Issue in two crucial national elections starring a Muslim-Queer Commie, Whitey-hating, America-hating Destroyer is NOT the U.S. citizenry, but the status of Israel...The total moniker us "America-Lastest, Death Cultist Firster."

Liberator  posted on  2012-06-20   20:36:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: Brian S (#18)

I don't argue that there is a muslim problem but first things, first.

Yeah...and the problem for you is the lack of American Sharia Law and a fascist police state.

Liberator  posted on  2012-06-20   20:38:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: TooConservative (#14)

The government will dare whatever the voters will tolerate.

? I think you are half an idiot.

The government shall do anything *IT* fucking wants when it has realized the gargantuan size of the US government.

The size of American government has been inflated to the point that all it does is play games of silly international gambits that lead nowhere but failure. Of course, the taxpayers nor the voters are considered by any post WW2 US government, other than their loyalty to a tired, derelict two-party system that created this travesty.

buckeroo  posted on  2012-06-20   20:38:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: buckeroo, TooConservative (#21)

The government shall do anything *IT* fucking wants...

100% true.

It's delusional to believe otherwise...

This disgraceful goob became its own god began when Bubba broke ELEVEN Commandments, wagged his finger and laughed at the American People on live tee-bee - and still wasn't jailed, impeached, or tar & feathered.

Liberator  posted on  2012-06-20   20:46:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: Liberator (#7)

Romney is acting like a Neocon. Obama is not a Neocon and is not likely to start a war with Iran. Romney, on the other hand is, especially with the Neocons whispering in his ear.

NewsJunky  posted on  2012-06-20   20:53:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: Liberator (#22)

This disgraceful goob became its own god began when Bubba broke ELEVEN Commandments, wagged his finger and laughed at the American People on live tee-bee - and still wasn't jailed, impeached, or tar & feathered.

I like that comment, Liberator just one caveat however: I say Bubba was and *IS* the infamous GWBush. There are so many BUBBAs in the American political CON system though. You can take you pick of presidents and can't go wrong since WW2.

buckeroo  posted on  2012-06-20   20:59:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: Liberator (#20)

lack of American Sharia Law and a fascist police state.

Lack of shira, whatever the fuck that is, I agree. Fascist police state? It is here.

Never swear "allegiance" to anything other than the 'right to change your mind'!

Brian S  posted on  2012-06-20   23:00:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: NewsJunky (#23)

Romney is acting like a Neocon.

Lol! Did he make you shit in your pants?

Thunderbird  posted on  2012-06-20   23:03:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: Thunderbird (#26)

I am more interested in the money Romney pulled out of YOUR pockets for his presidential campaign. Tell the channel.. your little secret.

buckeroo  posted on  2012-06-20   23:32:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: nativist nationalist (#4)

Yukon says the Constitution is obsolete.

Where did he say that?

A K A Stone  posted on  2012-06-21   1:16:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: war (#6)

There is nothing in the USCON that states that the POTUS may *start* a war.

You supported Obama's attack on Libya didn't you? I may be wrong.

I agree with what you stated above.

A K A Stone  posted on  2012-06-21   1:17:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: Brian S, war, Jethro Tull (#12)

Since they, Muslim Botherhood, Muslim militants, and Al Qaeda, are enemies of the bastard state you call israel, I couldn't be more pleased with the developments in the ME.

That IS one of the major reasons I supported Obama in 2008 (I thought he would go there) and why, at this point in time I am supporting him in 2012.

So do you think some people at say 4um are stupid for thinking Obama is some kind of pro Israel President?

Why is it again you don't like Israel?

Is America a bastard state having been created on Indian lands.

A K A Stone  posted on  2012-06-21   1:31:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: TooConservative (#2)

Romney could nuke Tehran and get away with it. So could Obama.

It's good to be the king.

meguro  posted on  2012-06-21   2:22:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: meguro (#31)

The problem is they realize that by the time they get elected.

Tooconservative  posted on  2012-06-21   4:04:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: A K A Stone (#29)

You supported Obama's attack on Libya didn't you? I may be wrong.

*Obama* didn't attack Libya...NATO did...

I'll believe that a corporation is a person 1 second after Texas executes one...

war  posted on  2012-06-21   9:52:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: A K A Stone (#30) (Edited)

The US was *Created* on its own.

Israel was created by the UN...

I'll believe that a corporation is a person 1 second after Texas executes one...

war  posted on  2012-06-21   9:53:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: war (#33)

*Obama* didn't attack Libya...NATO did...

What a cop out. We are part of NATO. Our forces were involved weren't they? So NATO can overrule the constitution. Sometimes you talk a good talk, like what you said earlier. Then you let your liberal partisan ship take over and make silly comments like the above.

A K A Stone  posted on  2012-06-21   9:59:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: war (#34)

The US was *Created* on its own.

Israel was created by the UN...

Come on war be honest. If the UN passed a resolution and said that Israel was a natino. It would mean nothing. The fighters on the ground won Israel like the Bible prophesied they would. It isn't their fault the UN came around.

If I used as twisted logic as you I would say Paris created the United States.

A K A Stone  posted on  2012-06-21   10:01:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: A K A Stone (#28)

Where did he say that?

He has said such things many times, here is a thread with several examples of his Tory mentality:

Title: PUT ME IN CHARGE.

One post# 3 he says: What was written in the US Constitution about computers, the internet, the FAA, the USAF, the Interstate Highway system, etc., etc., etc.?

On post# 7 he includes ...The powers enumerated in the US Constitution don't cover things that were unkown hundreds of years ago.

Yukon is a fraud, he's as left wing as they come, guy never met a government program he didn't like. He's an enemy of the Constitution, which makes him an enemy of America. Enemies of America should meet the same fate, whether they be in a cave in Afghanistan or single-wide in Alaska.

nativist nationalist  posted on  2012-06-21   12:27:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: NewsJunky (#23)

Romney is acting like a Neocon...Romney, on the other hand is, especially with the Neocons whispering in his ear.

Is that supposed to be a NEWSFLASH??

Obama is not a Neocon and is not likely to start a war with Iran.

No, not at all; JUST start a war in a half-dozen OTHER countries in the Middle East and run guns into Mexico under the false flag op, 'Fast & Furious'. That besides being a lying Commie-Fascist Muslim Queer Racist who is totally FUBARing the USA.

Is it your opinion that he's supposed to be better than Romney?

Liberator  posted on  2012-06-21   17:45:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: buckeroo (#24)

I like that comment, Liberator just one caveat however: I say Bubba was and *IS* the infamous GWBush.

There is only one original Bubba.

Dubya wouldn't have the temerity to wag his finger at the country, "Aaah NEVER...bla, blah, blah..."

There are so many BUBBAs in the American political CON system though. You can take you pick of presidents and can't go wrong since WW2.

I guess it can be said there have been degrees of "Bubba-ism" since WWII. But somehow, the worst of the lot just happen to be Dems.

Liberator  posted on  2012-06-21   17:51:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: Liberator (#39)

I guess it can be said there have been degrees of "Bubba-ism" since WWII.

You just "guess"? What the FUCK? You can't figure the political system out based on the merits of US governance since WW2?

What happened to YOU along the way?

buckeroo  posted on  2012-06-22   0:04:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: A K A Stone (#36) (Edited)

If the UN passed a resolution and said that Israel was a nation...

...it's not *if*...it did...and it's pretty easy for a group of organized and well armed fighters to beat up a bunch of nomads and to take over a tourist city with no set population...and even more so when the international community gives tacit approval for that nation to form as it might...

I'll believe that a corporation is a person 1 second after Texas executes one...

war  posted on  2012-06-22   8:05:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: A K A Stone (#35)

What a cop out. We are part of NATO. Our forces were involved weren't they? So NATO can overrule the constitution.

NATO was formed via treaty...read Article VI of the USCON...

I'll believe that a corporation is a person 1 second after Texas executes one...

war  posted on  2012-06-22   8:08:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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