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Title: Ron Paul Supporters Are Really Pissed That Rand Paul Endorsed Mitt Romney
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Business Insider
URL Source: http://www.businessinsider.com/ron- ... mitt-romney-endorsement-2012-6
Published: Jun 11, 2012
Author: Grace Wyler
Post Date: 2012-06-11 11:51:54 by Brian S
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Views: 4942
Comments: 18
Kentucky Sen. Rand Paul broke ranks with his father's political army this week and endorsed Mitt Romney as the Republican Party presidential nominee, setting off a firestorm of outrage in the Ron Paul Universe. Here's a sampling of the reactions from around the Internet: The Daily Paul Facebook The Daily Paul Facebook The Daily Paul As the comments suggest, Sen. Paul's endorsement appears to have seriously damaged his credibility within the Movement — at least among its most hardcore activists. The virulent backlash indicates that the endorsement could have harmful political ramifications for the Kentucky Senator, raising doubts about his ability to unite his father's grassroots army with more mainstream elements of the Republican Party base. "I think Rand Paul believed he could build from his father's base," said Brian Doherty, a journalist who has been covering the Ron Paul Revolution since the late 1990s. "But I think he has probably found in the last 24 hours that this might prove more difficult than he expected." But Doherty told Business Insider that he was not completely surprised that Sen. Paul opted to endorse Romney. Unlike his father, Paul has frequently shown a willingness to work with the GOP Establishment, and has previously indicated that he planned on getting behind whoever his party picked as the nominee. "There are a lot of Ron Paul people who like to think of themselves as a ragtag rebel army," Doherty said. "But Rand Paul is clearly positioning himself to play the part of the loyal opposition in the Republican Party. Emphasis on loyal." What was surprising about the endorsement, Doherty said, was its timing. Although Ron Paul has admitted he is no chance of winning the GOP nomination, he is still technically running for president and announced earlier this week that he expects to have 200 bound delegates at the Republican National Convention this summer. Moreover, his campaign is still encouraging supporters to try to get elected as national delegates at state and local party conventions. "It seems like a gratuitous kick in the face to his father's most ardent supporters," Doherty said, adding that the endorsement seems to indicate that "Rand Paul might have less respect for the grassroots movement than he ought to." It's possible, however, that Rand Paul knew he was going to piss off his father's die-hard fans — he just didn't care. "There's a lot more to the movement than the hard-core fanatics," Doherty said. "There are a lot of people who voted for Ron Paul [in the primaries] who are not writing angry things about Rand Paul on the Internet today." And Rand Paul's comments during his endorsement Thursday suggest that he was at least aware of the people he was betraying: "My dad has a legion of young followers who are on the Internet, and they think they rule the Internet," Paul told Fox News host Sean Hannity. "Maybe they do and maybe they don't." Hindsight may show that these remarks underscored some serious political hubris. Rand Paul's political clout depends, in part, on his ability to rally these grassroots Internet activists, and get them to make noise and moneybombs. Even if he has decided that he can give up on the most hard-core fanatics, his support for Romney threatens to hurt his credibility within the broader Liberty Movement, particularly among those who see Romney's hawkish foreign policy positions — and Bush-era national security advisors — as anathema to the movement's principles. Still, Rand Paul's endorsement does have some obvious political benefits, at least in the short-term. Already, the endorsement has raised the Kentucky Senator's national media profile, and sparked speculation about a possible VP nod. At Friday's Conservative Political Action Conference in Chicago, Sen. Paul came in fourth place in the vice presidential straw poll with 8% of the vote, coming in one point behind House Budget Chair Paul Ryan. When asked about a possible V.P. run yesterday, Sen. Paul told CNN "it would be a great honor to be considered."
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#1. To: Brian S (#0)
No we're not. Some are some aren't.
Bullshit. They will see his voting record and vote accordingly.
I will vote 3rd party. I will not vote for a communist...be they black or white. For Rand to stand behind a person that loves war, hates liberty and thinks the NDAA and drones over America are a great idea, is VERY telling. Rand SUCKS and has lost me forever.
Ron Paul tried 3 times his way. Rands voting record is superb. What do you disagree with him on that he voted for? Anything? Consider this patriot.
Agreed.
LoonyMing: I brandish my ignorance like a crucifix at vampires. 'It's now very common to hear people say, "I'm rather offended by that", as if that gives them certain rights. It's no more than a whine. It has no meaning, it has no purpose, it has no reason to be respected as a phrase. "I'm offended by that." Well, so fucking what?' —Stephen Fry
No. I've been a Ron supporter since the early 1980s. In 1988, I supported him for President. I actually met him 3 times that year and was honored to have introduced him at a fundraiser in Auburn Hills, MI right after he spoke at the Detroit economic club. The woman who was running his campaign in Michigan talked me into running for Congress as an LP candidate. I did. I am NOT pissed at all. Given how HORRIBLE Obama really is, Rand Paul's endorsement was the only rational and reasonable thing to do. Is Romney going to be a libertarian hero? No. But he's also NOT going to create new entitlement programs (like Bush and Obama). He's also NOT going to raise marginal tax rates, like Obama wants. He IS likely to reform medicare, medicaid, and social security -- he won't have any choice, given the country's dire fiscal situation.
One "aww shit" wipes out all the "atta boys." Rand's gave his "public" vote... for Mitt mcRomney, neocon sock-puppet. You remind me of the classic "This Modern World" cartoon , where every one of the neocons is touting the benefits of a shit-sandwich.... A good pic of WHO rand supports: LoonyMing: I brandish my ignorance like a crucifix at vampires. 'It's now very common to hear people say, "I'm rather offended by that", as if that gives them certain rights. It's no more than a whine. It has no meaning, it has no purpose, it has no reason to be respected as a phrase. "I'm offended by that." Well, so fucking what?' —Stephen Fry
He could have simply abstained from supporting anybody. Throwing your weight behind a communist that DISTAINS the freedoms expoused by the framers, while stating you're for freedom and liberty, is akin to Hitler stating he loves jews as he sent them off to the gas chambers. NO SIR, you're either FOR liberty or global communism..., impossible to have it both ways... we now know where the loyalties of Rand Paul lie.
Pro-abort, pro-gun control, pro-universal health care, pro-drone, pro-patriot act, pro-NDAA, pro-war, pro-banker, pro-big government, pro-globalist, Romney gets Rand Pauls full support and we are being told to believe it's just a ploy to advance freedom... the ignorance of that train of thought is mind numbing. I'm voting 3rd party and if the Kenyan wins, so be it. Romney is nothing more than a white version of the usurper anyway.
given the fact this man will say ANYTHING depending on his target audience, why on earth do you believe ANYTHING he says he will, or won't, do? LIARS LIE... THAT'S WHAT THEY DO... What part of that do you not understand...
Romney, the private equity guy, is communist??? Seriously, that statement makes you look like a major hook.
No...his Pro-abort, pro-gun control, pro-universal health care, pro-drone, pro- patriot act, pro-NDAA, pro-war, pro-banker, pro-big government, pro-globalist, free trade, distribution of wealth, wipe out the middle class, is what makes this guys beliefs on par with Karl Marx...have you ever even READ the 10 planks of the Communist manifesto...no?, I thought not. Just another uninformed illiterate with an opinion based on absolutely NOTHING. Your uninformed "feelings" mean absolutely nothing.
Romney may not be the ideal candidate. But I honestly don't think he fits the definition of a communist.
Then you'd be DEAD WRONG... not only does Romney support these 10 planks, he supports any and all extreme means to enforce them... The 10 PLANKS stated in the Communist Manifesto and some of their American counterparts are... 1. Abolition of private property in land and application of all rents of land to public purpose. The courts have interpreted the 14th Amendment of the U.S. Constitution (1868) to give the government far more "eminent domain" power than was originally intended, Under the rubric of "eminent domain" and various zoning regulations, land use regulations by the Bureau of Land Managementproperty taxes, and "environmental" excuses, private property rights have become very diluted and private property in landis, vehicles, and other forms are seized almost every day in this country under the "forfeiture" provisions of the RICO statutes and the so-called War on Drugs.. 2. A heavy progressive or graduated income tax. The 16th Amendment of the U.S. Constitution, 1913 (which some scholars maintain was never properly ratified), and various State income taxes, established this major Marxist coup in the United States many decades ago. These taxes continue to drain the lifeblood out of the American economy and greatly reduce the accumulation of desperately needed capital for future growth, business starts, job creation, and salary increases. 3. Abolition of all rights of inheritance. Another Marxian attack on private property rights is in the form of Federal & State estate taxes and other inheritance taxes, which have abolished or at least greatly diluted the right of private property owners to determine the disposition and distribution of their estates upon their death. Instead, government bureaucrats get their greedy hands involved . 4. Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels. We call it government seizures, tax liens, "forfeiture" Public "law" 99-570 (1986); Executive order 11490, sections 1205, 2002 which gives private land to the Department of Urban Development; the imprisonment of "terrorists" and those who speak out or write against the "government" (1997 Crime/Terrorist Bill); or the IRS confiscation of property without due process. 5. Centralization of credit in the hands of the state, by means of a national bank with state capital and an exclusive monopoly. The Federal Reserve System, created by the Federal Reserve Act of Congress in 1913, is indeed such a "national bank" and it politically manipulates interest rates and holds a monopoly on legal counterfeiting in the United States. This is exactly what Marx had in mind and completely fulfills this plank, another major socialist objective. Yet, most Americans naively believe the U.S. of A. is far from a Marxist or socialist nation. 6. Centralization of the means of communication and transportation in the hands of the state. In the U.S., communication and transportation are controlled and regulated by the Federal Communications Commission (FCC) established by the Communications Act of 1934 and the Department of Transportation and the Interstate Commerce Commission (established by Congress in 1887), and the Federal Aviation Administration as well as Executive orders 11490, 10999 -- not to mention various state bureaucracies and regulations. There is also the federal postal monopoly, AMTRAK and CONRAIL -- outright socialist (government-owned) enterprises. Instead of free-market private enteprrise in these important industries, these fields in America are semi-cartelized through the government's regulatory-industiral complex. 7. Extension of factories and instruments of production owned by the state; the bringing into cultivation of waste lands, and the improvement of the soil generally in accordance with a common plan. While the U.S. does not have vast "collective farms" (which failed so miserably in the Soviet Union), we nevertheless do have a significant degree of government involvement in agriculture in the form of price support subsidies and acreage alotments and land-use controls. The Desert Entry Act and The Department of Agriculture. As well as the Department of Commerce and Labor, Department of Interior, the Evironmental Protection Agency, Bureau of Land Management, Bureau of Reclamation, Bureau of Mines, National Park Service, and the IRS control of business through corporate regulations. 8. Equal obligation of all to work. Establishment of Industrial armies, especially for agriculture. We call it the Social Security Administration and The Department of Labor. The National debt and inflation caused by the communal bank has caused the need for a two "income" family. Woman in the workplace since the 1920's, the 19th amendment of the U.S. Constitution, the Civil Rights Act of 1964, assorted Socialist Unions, affirmative action, the Federal Public Works Program and of course Executive order 11000. And I almost forgot...The Equal Rights Amendment means that women should do all work that men do including the military and since passage it would make women subject to the draft. 9. Combination of agriculture with manufacturing industries; gradual abolition of the distinction between town and country by a more equable distribution of the population over the country. We call it the Planning Reorganization Act of 1949 , zoning (Title 17 1910- 1990) and Super Corporate Farms, as well as Executive orders 11647, 11731 (ten regions) and Public "law" 89-136. 10. Free education for all children in government schools. Abolition of children's factory labor in its present form. Combination of education with industrial production, etc. etc. People are being taxed to support what we call 'public' schools, which train the young to work for the communal debt system. We also call it the Department of Education, the NEA and Outcome Based "Education" .
Show me where Romney supported abolition of private property. You may not like the guy and he certainly isn't my first second third or fourth choice. But for you to quote the 10 planks and say Romney supports them all is a bit disingenuous imo.
are you saying he isn't for RICO laws, the "war on drugs" the "war on terror" the confiscation of property through the IRS...ALL of which can be done without trial... all they have to say is you are a suspected terrorist or that you disagree with government policy and you can be sent to GITMO or assassinated at the whim of the government. The laws that are currently on the books are a tyrants dream...and Romney loves them all..
Because he doesn't have any choice. Romney understands capitalism and Obama does not. America is on the verge of collapse. Romney gets it. Obama does not. There is an enormous difference.
are you SERIOUS...he has no choice but to lie! We ALWAYS have a choice, and the fact you don't see that says VOLUMNS about YOUR character.
#2. To: Brian S (#0)
As the comments suggest, Sen. Paul's endorsement appears to have seriously damaged his credibility within the Movement — at least among its most hardcore activists. The virulent backlash indicates that the endorsement could have harmful political ramifications for the Kentucky Senator, raising doubts about his ability to unite his father's grassroots army with more mainstream elements of the Republican Party base.
#3. To: Brian S (#0)
#4. To: freedomsnotfree (#3)
#5. To: freedomsnotfree (#3)
For Rand to stand behind a person that loves war, hates liberty and thinks the NDAA and drones over America are a great idea, is VERY telling. Rand SUCKS and has lost me forever.
Translation: IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH
#6. To: Brian S (#0)
(Edited)
Ron Paul Supporters Are Really Pissed That Rand Paul Endorsed Mitt Romney
we must as a species go into a period of shrinkage that we have not experienced since the Dark Ages and the Black Plague -- lucysmom (A.K.A. minnigold)
#7. To: A K A Stone (#4)
(Edited)
Ron Paul tried 3 times his way. Rands voting record is superb.
Translation: IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH
#8. To: A K A Stone (#4)
#9. To: Capitalist Eric, aka stone (#7)
#10. To: jwpegler (#6)
But he's also NOT going to create new entitlement programs (like Bush and Obama). He's also NOT going to raise marginal tax rates...
#11. To: freedomsnotfree (#9)
Throwing your weight behind a communist
we must as a species go into a period of shrinkage that we have not experienced since the Dark Ages and the Black Plague -- lucysmom (A.K.A. minnigold)
#12. To: jwpegler (#11)
#13. To: freedomsnotfree (#8)
Throwing your weight behind a communist
#14. To: A K A Stone (#13)
But I honestly don't think he fits the definition of a communist.
#15. To: freedomsnotfree (#14)
1. Abolition of private property in land and application of all rents of land to public purpose.
#16. To: A K A Stone (#15)
#17. To: freedomsnotfree (#10)
given the fact this man will say ANYTHING depending on his target audience, why on earth do you believe ANYTHING he says he will, or won't, do? LIARS LIE... THAT'S WHAT THEY DO... What part of that do you not understand...
we must as a species go into a period of shrinkage that we have not experienced since the Dark Ages and the Black Plague -- lucysmom (A.K.A. minnigold)
#18. To: jwpegler (#17)
Because he doesn't have any choice.
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