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Title: Trayvon Martin Killed By Single Gunshot Fired From 'Intermediate Range,' Autopsy Shows
Source: By NBC News and msnbc.com
URL Source: http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2 ... ?chromedomain=openchannel&lite
Published: May 16, 2012
Author: By NBC News and msnbc.com
Post Date: 2012-05-16 20:20:15 by Brian S
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Views: 23163
Comments: 71

Florida teenager Trayvon Martin died from a single gunshot wound to the chest fired from “intermediate range,” according to an autopsy report reviewed Wednesday by NBC News.

The official report, prepared by the medical examiner in Volusia County, Fla., also found that the 17-year-old Martin had one other fresh injury – a small abrasion, no more than a quarter-inch in size – on his left ring finger below the knuckle.

Separately, a medical report on Martin’s alleged killer, 28-year-old George Zimmerman, prepared by his personal physician the day after Martin’s shooting in Sanford, Fla., on Feb. 26, found that the Neighborhood Watch volunteer suffered a likely broken nose, swelling, two black eyes and cuts to the scalp. That report, first reported Tuesday by ABC News, also was reviewed by NBC News. Advertise | AdChoices

Both documents are part of a mountain of evidence – up to 300 pages and 67 CDs of witness statements, surveillance videos and other material-- expected to be made public soon in connection with the second-degree murder case against Zimmerman.

Zimmerman allegedly shot Martin during a confrontation inside the gated community in Sanford where Zimmerman was a neighborhood volunteer and where Martin was visiting his father’s fiancée.

After first reporting a suspicious person in the neighborhood in a phone call to Sanford police, Zimmerman followed the teenager before a fatal confrontation that remains shrouded in mystery.

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#1. To: Brian S (#0)

Textbook case of self-defense.

But thanks for playing.

Capitalist Eric  posted on  2012-05-16   20:41:57 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Capitalist Eric (#1) (Edited)

What was the weapon that Zimmerman used? Do you know?

EDIT: Nevermind, found it. Kel-Tec 9 mm.

I can tell you this, it was most likely within 8-10 feet max, or Z likely would have missed.

I own a Kel-Tec 9 mm and it's not accurate at all beyond that distance.

We The People  posted on  2012-05-16   20:50:27 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: We The People (#3)

Try the Springfield XD-9 with a 4" barrel. Surprisingly good.

Capitalist Eric  posted on  2012-05-16   20:57:26 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Capitalist Eric, sneakypete (#4)

Right now I'm leaning toward the Springfield 1911.

Haven't owned or fired a 1911 in years. Maybe a S&W.

What I'd really like to find is a mid 20's Colt. But they're so pricey.

In a 1911 would you go with Springfield or S&W? Or what?

We The People  posted on  2012-05-16   21:04:35 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: We The People (#6)

In a 1911 would you go with Springfield or S&W? Or what?

Since I didn't even know S&W builds a 1911,I'd go with Springfield. They've been doing it for years and have a good reputation.

If you prefer to buy a used basic 1911,look around for a Norinco. It pains me to say this,but they were really good basic military model 1911A1's. Maybe the only Chinese product ever built that had good steel.

sneakypete  posted on  2012-05-16   23:50:27 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: sneakypete, We The People (#19)

In a 1911 would you go with Springfield or S&W? Or what?

Since I didn't even know S&W builds a 1911,I'd go with Springfield. They've been doing it for years and have a good reputation.

If you prefer to buy a used basic 1911,look around for a Norinco. It pains me to say this,but they were really good basic military model 1911A1's. Maybe the only Chinese product ever built that had good steel.

S&W makes some great 1911s. Their Elite series is a match grade piece right out of the box. S&W has always used an external ejector design so that is one major difference from a pure Browning 1911 design since he used an internal ejector on on THAT design. External ejectors are better, you don't have to time them and if they break they are an easy fix. In fact in ALL of his later designs of autoloaders Browning also used an external ejector design.

One thing about Kimber is their legendary LACK of customer service, (if you are just a citizen). Also it's alot harder to get Kimber mags. Don't get me wrong, I like Kimbers and I'll be getting a carry one soon. I looked at one yesterday, (ultra Carry II), but I also looked at the compact Glock and the Para Warthog.

As far as I'm concerned you can't have too many .45s/1911s. If I was forced to keep just one I'd keep my S&W 1911STA, it ROCKS, (I love that it came with a titanium firing pin and adjustable trigger etc).

I used to be a 1911 purist, now I'm just a .45 acp purist, (and .40 cal, and 10mm, and .357 and 9mm and 22 mag and 22 lr and ...), ;^)

btw; to me, my full sized S&W 1911STA handles better than almost any 45 that I've ever owned, and I REALLY dig the ALL stainless frame and slide.

Personally I would not own a ChiCom anything, BUT that said, I do own several RUSSIAN shotguns and AKS which I like for what they were designed for.

I've also been looking at Sig Sauer P220s and the H&Ks, which are both WAY pricey, (Kimber level or more), for all metal ones. Sig has been having quality issues for the last couple of years and H&K's customer service makes Kimber look good. So it's always a matter of taste.

The all metal Springfields are OK places to start, I have no opinion on any of the poly receiver firearms, except to say that as an old fart I always prefer ALL METAL pieces.

Hope this helps.

ALWAYS, check the latest CDNN Investments catalog, they have KILLER deals on firearms. I saw a Sig P220 with aluminum grips and 2 extra 6 rnd mags for around $550. + shipping and xfer fees. (I'd avoid some of their optics and little stuff because most of them are ChiCom made).

If I could I'd buy them ALL.

I saw a nib unfired S&W 1911STA on AK list last week for $850. , but I snoozed. So they are around if you look for them.

Sorry ... you just kind of hit a special nerve re shopping for .45acp pistols with me.

Good luck and happy shooting.

Mad Dog  posted on  2012-05-17   3:08:33 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#23. To: Mad Dog (#21) (Edited)

ALWAYS, check the latest CDNN Investments catalog, they have KILLER deals on firearms. I saw a Sig P220 with aluminum grips and 2 extra 6 rnd mags for around $550. + shipping and xfer fees.

I bought one of the "full size" Sig P220s with aluminum grips, night sights and 2 magazines from CDNN about a year ago.... They have them made especially for them and the aluminum grips are good for people with smaller hands.....

Haven't had a single FTE or FTF yet and have run all kinds of ammo (cheap and expensive) thru it. Sights were only slightly off to the left when I got it (which seems to be the case with most Sigs) one adjustment with a punch took care of it.... Shoots nice tight groupings... Very nice pistol for the price.....

CZ82  posted on  2012-05-17 07:24:03 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: Mad Dog, We The People, CZ82 (#21)

One thing about Kimber is their legendary LACK of customer service, (if you are just a citizen). Also it's alot harder to get Kimber mags. Don't get me wrong, I like Kimbers and I'll be getting a carry one soon.

With my first one (about 12 years ago), I had some FTF issues... sent it back to the factory, and the polished the ramp a bit more (they're usually mirror- smooth, anyway), took about 2 weeks turnaround time... STILL had feed problems.

It turned out the Kimber magazines often have rough edges on the inside of the mag, where the top round lays against the mag fingers, ready to be stripped out and pushed into the chamber. I took a knife sharpenening stone, rubbed on the offending edges for about 30 seconds per side, and haven't had a failure (to feed OR eject) since. With every Kimber magazine I have, that's always been an issue, and I've learned to clean them up very quickly. Easy peezy. But nowadays, when I buy spares, I get Wilson Combat mags. Very good prices, and you get 8 in the mag instead of 7.

Their completely black low-profile sights bugged me, though- in low-light conditions, you've got nothing to aim from... Shooting at the standard round, black targets was a bitch. For a while, I painted the Glock-style marks on my guns, but finally I shelled out the money, bought Tritium 3-dots. Now I love 'em.

As to the other manufacturers, I haven't tried them. I "grew up" on the Colt .45 in the Navy, so when it came time to buy as a civilian, I went to a range in San Jose, rented out a bunch of different 1911's, and I soon as I shot a Kimber, I knew that was it; no need to keep looking.

Between the dead-on accuracy and consistency, the smooth-as-silk trigger and the price, I don't bother considering anything else. As a side note, getting used to the silky trigger allowed me to go back to the cheaper guns (where you can feel the block "hang" just before it fires), and not have any more anticipation problems. Now, I'm just rock-steady, whether it's with a Ruger P- 89-94, the XDs or anything else... The Kimber forced me to become a much better shooter.

YMMV, of course.

An interesting side-note on the Springfield XD-9... while they're absolutely incredible for reliability, simplicity and offer pretty good accuracy, they have very stiff recoil springs, and will not tolerate cheap ammo from a company that does "light" powder loads. If you run good stuff, they'll rock and roll forever, it seems. The other aspect of this, is that my wife simply didn't have the upper-body strength to operate the slide correctly.

So one day we stopped at the Cabelas outside Philly... imagine a gun-case 100' long, ALL pistols. I figured, if she couldn't find something she liked here, than I was completely screwed. I had her start trying out different 9mm models, to find one she could slide back easily. She picked out the Ruger P89, because it's easy to operate.

As a bonus, you can pick up a nice used one for ~$300, and a new one for <$500, all day. It easily matches the accuracy of the XD-9, and has (so far) been very reliable. We picked up a new P94 as well, essentially the same thing. She's VERY happy with them, and getting better with every trip to the range.

Capitalist Eric  posted on  2012-05-17 11:38:06 ET  (1 image) Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: Mad Dog (#21)

I've also been looking at Sig Sauer P220s and the H&Ks,

I plan on buying a CZ 75 SP01 in 40 S&W in the near future. Not because I really need another handgun (or most of the ones I already have),but because I don't have a 40 cal and they are really nice guns.

I'll probably buy a basic gun because I am a firm believer in the theory that the less crap there is the less crap there is to go wrong.

Not to mention the fact that they are ALL "ghost sights" to me nowadays,so why pay more for useless upgrades? I can spend that money on dies,brass,primers,and powder.

sneakypete  posted on  2012-05-17 12:21:00 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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