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Humor Title: Nugent Says He's Insulted By Concert Cancellation (04-27) 21:35 PDT LOS ANGELES, (AP) -- Ted Nugent said he was insulted by the cancellation of his planned concert at an Army post over his comments about President Barack Obama. Commanders at the Fort Knox, Ky., post nixed Nugent's segment of a June concert after the rocker and conservative activist said at a recent National Rifle Association meeting that he would be "dead or in jail by this time next year" if Obama is re-elected. Nugent told The Associated Press this week that his words were not intended as a threat against the president. "To think that there's a bureaucrat in the United States Army that would consider the use or abuse of First Amendment rights in determining who is going to perform at an Army base is an insult and defiles the sacrifices of those heroes who fought for the U.S. Constitution, Bill of Rights," Nugent said. Nugent said he had received messages of support from troops and noted that the Secret Service had met with him and closed its case about the remarks. "There is nothing in my spoken word or written word that could be even wildly considered by any stretch of the imagination to be a threat to anyone," Nugent said. Asked to clarify the remarks at the NRA convention, Nugent said: "A whole bunch of us ... believe ... we are in danger of being improperly and criminally jailed — I mean criminally on the part of the government." Earlier in the week, Nugent pleaded guilty to transporting a black bear he illegally killed in Alaska, saying he was sorry for unwittingly violating the law. He told the AP that he advises fellow hunters, "even when you are aghast at a maniac, inexplicable, illogical law, please abide by those laws at all costs." Nugent said the prosecution in U.S. District Court was the result of a "witch hunt" by federal officials over his activism. "We the people are turning up the heat," he said. "And that's why I'm being singled out by certain fish and game agencies and certain U.S. attorneys." The AP was not successful in obtaining comment from Jack Schmidt, the assistant U.S. attorney who prosecuted Nugent this week in Ketchikan, Alaska. An email seeking comment from Karen Loeffler, the U.S. Attorney for Alaska, was not immediately returned. Post Comment Private Reply Ignore Thread Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest Comments (1-51) not displayed.
...while cunning runts like you were wetting your adult diapers about Nugent's commentary on Obama, I supported his right to free speech. Does Nugent's right to free speech mean that mininggold doesn't have the right to her opinion about what he said, and the freedom to express that opinion? Anyone claiming to be an expert is selling something. I brandish my ignorance like a crucifix at vampires. Aaron Bady #53. To: Ferret Mike (#15) I second what buck here says. Count me in for three. We have an inmate in charge of the asylum. I gave him an effU on another thread, so we'll see if this reply hits the board.
#54. To: hondo68 (#47) Liz Cheney I've noticed 'this one' popping up all over the place as of late... Never swear "allegiance" to anything other than the 'right to change your mind'! #55. To: buckeroo (#17) I doubt that Stone will understand your post. But, he is a Romney supporter ... Romney? The one who couldn't defeat McLamebrain? Say it ain't so.
#56. To: Brian S, A K A Stone, *Yukon neo-Progressive Vermin* (#54) Only a homo would like Romney's judgesMittens is only a "conservative" in Mass., Alaska, and San Fransicko. The "Gay Judeges" link is SO special!Romney's radical judge appointees Conservatives may legitimately question Romney's pro-abortion and sexual-radical appointees: the judges, high-level staffers, and policy makers whose goal is to undermine traditional social values and radically transform society. Homosexual and transgender activists played major roles in Governor Romney's campaign, transition team, and Departments of Public Health, Social Services, and Education. They pushed their policies and propaganda into state agencies, medical offices, and public schools at every level. [9] The Boston GLBT newspaper Bay Windows happily catalogued Romney's "gay" appointees, knowing that they would use their offices to promote their causes. Their "sexual orientation" was not just a private matter, as Romney would have us believe, but carried a political agenda. The lead attorney for "gay marriage" in Massachusetts explained, "As feminists in the 1970s rightly noted, and other civil rights and social justice movements found out, the personal is political, or at least it can become so." [10] Yet as Governor, Romney chose to ignore this obvious fact. Romney appointed at least two homosexual activist judges, and even bragged about it: I've appointed approximately 60 judges, one or two of whom... one of whom I'm quite confident is gay, the other may be gay as well. I think he probably is, and there may be more for all I know. But I've never asked a judicial candidate, "are you gay?" and discriminated against them on that basis. Nor, if I look in their resume and there's an indication of their being gay, I don't then delve into it and say, "Gee, are you gay yourself, or are you in support of gay issues?" I believe that in America, we should not discriminate against people on the basis of our differences. [11] A pro-Romney web site (AboutMittRomney.com, "Gay Judges") [12] proudly notes his outreach to pro-gay-rights legal groups. The Governor encouraged their members to apply for judicial openings. Supposedly, the chairman of Romney's judicial nominating committee could be counted on to be conservative as a member of the Federalist Society. However, he was complicit in this alliance with feminist and sexual-radical attorneys: Romney's appointee to the chairmanship of the Judicial Nominating Commission, Boston lawyer Christopher D. Moore, has reached out to minority and women's bar associations to encourage members to apply. He's done the same with the state lesbian and gay bar association, which also has a seat on Romney's joint bar committee... [13] [Emphasis added.] The inclusion of these bar associations certainly satisfied the Governor's new requirement that all nominees had to be members of the bar. But it gives the lie to his claim that his new selection process would be free of politics. What are radical feminism and gay rights advocacy about, if not politics? The Women's Bar Association included many radical feminist members, revealing its stripes in 2000 when it honored GLAD (Gay & Lesbian Advocates & Defenders) lesbian activist attorney Mary Bonauto, who would argue the Goodridge "gay marriage" case before the courts .[14] And certainly many of the Women's Bar members were promoters of the long-standing pro-woman gender bias in the family courts regarding divorce, child custody, and restraining orders. [15] Was Governor Romney ready to listen to the other side? The Fatherhood Coalition cofounder, Mark Charalambous, said in February 2003: While we are hopeful that in the long run Mitt will turn out to be a good Governor for the Commonwealth as a whole with respect to the state's financial and economic woes, the state's non-custodial fathers in Massachusetts have no reason to be optimistic. Mitt has not responded to any of our overtures for a dialogue, neither during the campaign nor since taking office. He is apparently continuing the pattern of his Republican predecessors in viewing fathers' rights as some kind of subset of women's issues. We have been told that he is putting our issues in Lieutenant Governor Kerry Healey's domain -- which is bad news for us since Healey is a victim/feminism partisan who claims some kind of authority/expertise in domestic violence. This is bad news not just for non-custodial fathers, but for all males. Romney's refusal to respond to our overtures indicates to me that he intends to follow in Weld and Cellucci's footsteps. He has so far ignored our concerns about the anti-father bias in the courts and the domestic violence, child abuse, and child support regimes that are crucifying fathers in the name of protecting women and providing for children. He has instead gone so far as to appoint Judith Beals, the discredited former spokesman for Jane Doe [ultra-feminist group against 'domestic violence"], to his transition team. [16] [Emphasis added.] Things did not improve for fathers in the family courts during Romney's tenure. The Massachusetts Lesbian & Gay Bar Association (MLGBA during Romney57;s term), has recently added 60;transgender61; and "queer" to its name: It's now the Massachusetts LGBTQ Bar Association. [17] Through that group, Romney was effectively seeking candidates who (in MLGBA's own words in 2006) were "dedicated to ensuring that the Massachusetts Supreme Judicial Court decision on marriage equality is upheld, and that any anti-gay amendment or legislation is defeated." [18] The MLGBA attorneys had argued for years that the statute criminalizing sodomy ("the abominable and detestable crime against nature, whether with mankind or with a beast," Ch. 272, Section 34) should be overturned. Romney seemed to agree in an interview with the Boston homosexual newspaper Bay Windows (in 1994). [19] And he was on record since 1994 as supporting "gay rights" and non-discrimination on the basis of "sexual orientation." So it's not surprising he reached out to this group to apply for judgeships. In 1999, the MLGBA had honored Justice Margaret Marshall of the Massachusetts high court (later the Chief Justice behind the 2003 Goodridge "gay marriage" ruling) as keynote speaker at their annual fundraiser dinner. There she advocated extending rights for homosexuals and transgenders. This clearly exhibited her partiality on the "gay marriage" issue. The Massachusetts Constitution clearly states that judges must be impartial. [20] Yet Governor Romney chose to ignore this, refusing to support the grassroots activists' call to remove her from office after her clearly biased and unconstitutional Goodridge ruling. Though Romney held the country's attention in 2003-2004 during the "gay marriage" constitutional crisis, he failed to lead as a conservative and check the errant judges. That may be all one needs to know about his true commitment to constitutional principles. [21] These two radical groups -- the Women's Bar Association and the MLGBA (later the MLGBTQ Bar Association) -- were later instrumental in pushing the "transgender rights and hate-crimes" bill (passed in November 2011). [22] Yet they had been full-fledged participants in Romney's judicial selection process. One of Romney's known homosexual judge appointees to district court was Stephen Abany (in May 2005). [23] Romney would have known Abany's "sexual orientation" because he was an activist for gay-rights causes. Abany, a board member of the MLGBA, had testified at the State House in 1999 advocating repeal of the Massachusetts law criminalizing sodomy. [24] Such activism and glaring opposition to Romney's stated support for traditional marriage apparently did not keep him from making this appointment. A second homosexual (or at least, openly pro-gay-rights) judge was Marianne Hinkle: Another Romney choice for the bench is Marianne C. Hinkle, a registered Democrat who worked as an aide to Governor Michael S. Dukakis in the late 1970s and prosecuted John C. Salvi III in the 1994 Brookline abortion clinic shootings. Hinkle, in her application for the bench, describes herself as a longtime active member of Dignity/USA, a group that advocates for expanded gay rights in the Catholic Church and society generally. [25] There was likely a third "gay" appointee, since Romney told the National Journal that his second likely "gay" appointee was a 60;he.61; Romney said he paid no notice to "his nominees" political leanings or sexual orientation" Governor Romney insisted that "his nominees' political leanings or sexual orientation" did not concern him. With increased attention on judicial nominees after President Bush's nomination of John G. Roberts Jr. to the US Supreme Court, Romney said Friday that he has not paid a moment's notice to his nominees' political leanings or sexual orientation or to the impact his choices might have on a future presidential run. He said he has focused on two factors: their legal experience and whether the nominees would be tough on crime". Observers in the Bay State legal community, meanwhile, said they see a contradiction between Romney's judicial choices and his conservative rhetoric, including his stated opposition to same-sex marriage". The governor said that, so far, he has had few chances to appoint judges to the highest state courts, where his criteria would change to include "strict construction, judicial philosophy." 60;With regards to those at the district court and clerk magistrate level, their political views aren't really going to come into play unless their views indicate they will be soft on crime, because in that case, apply elsewhere," Romney said. [27] [Emphasis added.] Romney has tried to deflect conservative criticism of his appointments of gay-rights advocates by claiming that lower-level judges would not have their "political" opinions on GLBT issues come into play. A pro-Romney operative in Iowa posted this at RedState (in 2006): The above is a key point. Ziuko on Red State commented: '"If Federal courts are the major leagues, state [and district] courts aren't even the minor leagues, they're a pick up game of tee ball"... Who gives a rip if a small-time criminal court judge is gay!?!--especially if they have a judicial record of being tough on crime and are working in criminal courts! [28] But this is disingenuous. Some very consequential cases have been in district courts where a judge's pro-homosexual bias would be highly significant. One example: In 2005 in Lexington, Massachusetts, David Parker was charged with "trespassing" at his son's elementary school for demanding his lawful right to be notified in advance of homosexual curriculum. That trespassing case went to Concord District Court. Another example: During the marriage amendment debate in Massachusetts in 2006, Catholic Vote staffer Larry Cirignano was falsely accused by an ACLU agitator with "assault and battery" and "civil rights violations." That case went to Worcester District Court. [29] Furthermore, the "hate crimes" cases clearly involve criminal courts and a judge's bias could color his rulings. www.amycontrada.com/Romney_s_Judiciary.html#record
Obama's watch stopped on 24 May 2008, but he's been too busy smoking crack to notice. #57. To: lucysmom, Thunderbird (#52) Does Nugent's right to free speech mean that mininggold doesn't have the right to her opinion about what he said, and the freedom to express that opinion? Tbird thinks the 1st amendment only applies to speech that is bought and paid for. Almost every country in the Middle East is awash in oil, and we have to side with the one that has nothing but joos. Goddamn, that was good thinkin'. Esso posted on 2012-01-13 7:37:56 ET #58. To: lucysmom (#52) Does Nugent's right to free speech mean that mininggold doesn't have the right to her opinion about what he said, and the freedom to express that opinion? None of mings free speech rights have been violated. Even if I started deleting stuff she said. None of her free speech rights would be violated. Your strawman is a single piece of straw.
#59. To: Fred Mertz (#55) Romney? The one who couldn't defeat McLamebrain? And Reagan couldn't defeat Ford. What was your point again. Oh Romney sucks. Yes I know that. But Obama sucks much more.
#60. To: Ferret Mike, A K A Stone (#15) He baits and goes for shock value over content, Nothing gets a pack interested more than throwing red meat into a pack of wolves which I think is the reason for all discussion boards to prosper. I don't think you should criticize him for employing a bit of good old fashioned marketing to the site. For example, until I read this thread I didn't know he was a Romney fan; I thought he was just anti-Obama which just may be clouding your perspective.
#61. To: A K A Stone (#23) I'm going to vote for Romney. I want Obama to be fired. Romney may even be slightly better. Possibly worse. Wait a minute. You are voting for Romney even though you admit he could be worse? That's about the most fucked-up reason I've ever heard for voting for someone. "if you're not cop, you're little people" #62. To: A K A Stone, buckeroo (#28) Yeah. And you didn't vote against Obama. You wont vote against him next time. You must like Obama. You and he have a lot in common. Logical Fallacies and the Art of Debate
Non Sequitur ("It does not follow"). This is the simple fallacy of stating, as a conclusion, something that does not strictly follow from the premises. "if you're not cop, you're little people" #63. To: A K A Stone, buckeroo (#35) Your hero called Ted Nugent a pedophile. That is factually incorrect. And “Uncle Ted” isn’t just your run-of-the-mill sleazebag con artist. He’s a child-molesting sicko, too. He had the parents of his underaged girlfriend sign her over to him as her guardian so he could have sex with her. He was thirty at the time. Yes, the parents should have been locked up for child abuse and sex trafficking . . . and he should have met the same fate. Then, he had the teenager raise his kids while he stayed on the road to have sex with other groupies. He’s now the proud babydaddy to eight children with six different women, most of whom he abandoned and to whom he refused to pay child support. One of those kids was fathered with another woman (not his wife) during his current marriage, and while he fought for years to avoid paying even a dime of child support, you paid instead, as the kid and mother went on welfare. Oh, and before you ignorantly spout that this is some "libturd hit-piece". It was written by Debbie Schlussel DEBBIE SCHLUSSEL: Conservative political commentator, radio talk show host, columnist, and attorney Schlussel’s unique expertise on radical Islam/Islamic terrorism and a host of other issues make her a popular speaker and television and radio news talk show guest, both nationally & internationally. "if you're not cop, you're little people" #64. To: mininggold (#57) Tbird thinks the 1st amendment only applies to speech that is bought and paid for. Oh, my bad. I was having a senior moment; now I remember, money = speech. If members of the 99% get together and picket, it is not free capitalist speech it is communism, or communism's brother - FASCISM (oh no!). However when the Koch Brothers' pay for a bus and transport Tea Partiers to picket, that's free speech. When Colonel Walter Hitchcock said, "freedom ain't free", that is what he meant, money changed hands. Anyone claiming to be an expert is selling something. I brandish my ignorance like a crucifix at vampires. Aaron Bady #65. To: A K A Stone (#58) None of mings free speech rights have been violated. Did I say they were? Anyone claiming to be an expert is selling something. I brandish my ignorance like a crucifix at vampires. Aaron Bady #66. To: lucysmom (#52) Does Nugent's right to free speech mean that mininggold doesn't have the right to her opinion about what he said, and the freedom to express that opinion? No. Where your right to free speech ends is when you start slinging words like pedofile around at folks you disagree with. Both you and Ming (surprise) have been doing that recently. Typical rat tactic.
#67. To: Thunderbird, Deckard (#66) (Edited) Where your right to free speech ends is when you start slinging words like pedofile around at folks you disagree with. Both you and Ming (surprise) have been doing that recently. I don't throw words around like "pedophile" unless the label is based in fact. Read Deckard's post #63. You ought to do your homework before mouthing off. A bit selective in your choice of false accusations to be offended by aren't you. Anyone claiming to be an expert is selling something. I brandish my ignorance like a crucifix at vampires. Aaron Bady #68. To: lucysmom (#67) I don't throw words around like "pedophile" unless the label is based in fact. So when I pull up a comment from you calling other posters here *pedophile*, will you promise to get on your broom and fly away?
#69. To: Thunderbird (#68) So when I pull up a comment from you calling other posters here *pedophile*, will you promise to get on your broom and fly away? I would certainly like to see where I did that. If you can't, or won't do that, will you get on your broom and fly away? I'm curious, does your sensitivity to misapplied labels extend to Stone calling me and others murderers? Anyone claiming to be an expert is selling something. I brandish my ignorance like a crucifix at vampires. Aaron Bady #70. To: Deckard (#63) (Edited) He’s a child-molesting sicko, too... underaged girlfriend... The girl was 17. 17 is not a "child". Age of consent laws have been increasing in the U.S. over the last 30 years, but in most states they are still NOT what people on this thread are imagining them to be. In most states, the age of consent is 16 (up from 14, in the 1970s). A lot of states also have close age exemptions for people who are 14 and 15.
Iran’s main drive for acquiring atomic weapons is not for use against Israel but as a deterrent against U.S. intervention -- Major General Zeevi Farkash, head of the Israeli Military Intelligence Directorate #71. To: Thunderbird (#66) (Edited) No. Where your right to free speech ends is when you start slinging words like pedofile around at folks you disagree with. Exactly right. A 17 year old is not a child. Most state laws concur with regards to sex. The only reason that states raised their drinking ages from 18 to 21 is that Carter bribed them with federal highway funds. They should be reduced to 18 as well. Iran’s main drive for acquiring atomic weapons is not for use against Israel but as a deterrent against U.S. intervention -- Major General Zeevi Farkash, head of the Israeli Military Intelligence Directorate #72. To: jwpegler (#71) A pedophile is an adult or adolescent who is 16 years of age or older, who is sexually attracted to children who have not reached puberty, generally those below 14. Courtney Love says she was 12. Anyone claiming to be an expert is selling something. I brandish my ignorance like a crucifix at vampires. Aaron Bady #73. To: lucysmom (#72) Courtney Love says she was 12. From the looks of it here it appears the GOP has turned into the Grand Old Lecher party. Almost every country in the Middle East is awash in oil, and we have to side with the one that has nothing but joos. Goddamn, that was good thinkin'. Esso posted on 2012-01-13 7:37:56 ET #74. To: lucysmom (#72) (Edited) Courtney Love says she was 12. Why do you believe anything that that wacko says? Nugent is from Michigan. She is from Washington. How did they meet??? Maybe she was some crazed groupie who lied about her age to get back stage at a concert. Or maybe she's just mentally ill, as she has repeatedly demonstrated over the years. Regardless, Nugent had a reputation for banging young women, not pre-pubescent children. So tagging him with the "pedophile" label is both inaccurate and unfair, especially when the only "evidence" of this is a story by Kookoo Love. Iran’s main drive for acquiring atomic weapons is not for use against Israel but as a deterrent against U.S. intervention -- Major General Zeevi Farkash, head of the Israeli Military Intelligence Directorate #75. To: mininggold, *GOP Family Values On Parade* (#73) From the looks of it here it appears the GOP has turned into the Grand Old Lecher party. Indeed. Never swear "allegiance" to anything other than the 'right to change your mind'! #76. To: Thunderbird (#66) No. Where your right to free speech ends is when you start slinging words like pedofile around at folks you disagree with. Both you and Ming (surprise) have been doing that recently. Typical rat tactic. Who did I call a pedophile besides your hero and Michael Jackson, wannabe, Teddy? Sounds like you are the rat now. Almost every country in the Middle East is awash in oil, and we have to side with the one that has nothing but joos. Goddamn, that was good thinkin'. Esso posted on 2012-01-13 7:37:56 ET #77. To: jwpegler (#74) Why do you believe anything that that wacko says? They are both wacko, you just prefer the conservative wacko. Anyone claiming to be an expert is selling something. I brandish my ignorance like a crucifix at vampires. Aaron Bady #78. To: mininggold (#73) From the looks of it here it appears the GOP has turned into the Grand Old Lecher party. It's kind of stunning - two consenting adults of the same sex want to get married and the GOLP are outraged; but let a dirty old man seduce under aged girls and it ain't no prob when the guy's a conservative. Anyone claiming to be an expert is selling something. I brandish my ignorance like a crucifix at vampires. Aaron Bady #79. To: lucysmom (#78) It's kind of stunning - two consenting adults of the same sex want to get married Marriage is a man and a woman. Understand that dyke? Of course you don't you're immoral or stupid.
#80. To: mininggold (#76) Sounds like you are the rat now. Do you think he'll get on his broom and fly on out of here? Anyone claiming to be an expert is selling something. I brandish my ignorance like a crucifix at vampires. Aaron Bady #81. To: A K A Stone (#79) Marriage is a man and a woman. Understand that dyke? Of course you don't you're immoral or stupid. If two men want to marry, what makes you think it's your business? Anyone claiming to be an expert is selling something. I brandish my ignorance like a crucifix at vampires. Aaron Bady #82. To: lucysmom (#81) If two men want to marry, what makes you think it's your business? LOL! What business is it of yours then if Ted wants to sleep with underage girls? It's OK for you to have an opinion but not others? Idiot.
#83. To: lucysmom (#81) If two men want to marry, what makes you think it's your business? Because I don't want to live in a degenerate perverted sicko society. Right is right and wrong is wrong. You obviously don't know the difference between right and wrong, good and evil. You regularly call good evil and evil good. The Bible talks about people like you. It says not to listen to you. Your way is the way to hell.
#84. To: We The People (#82) I worked with this guy once. He was just starting college. He said if their is grass on the field play ball. I don't agree with that I am just reporting what he said.
#85. To: A K A Stone (#84) I don't agree with that I don't either, I just had to point out the hypocrisy of our resident socialist who thinks it's OK for her opinion that someone is a pedophile be aired yet your opinion on gay marriage is not because it's 'none of your business'. Ted's activities are certainly her business, but gay marriage is not yours. She's a hypocritical idiot.
#86. To: lucysmom (#81) If two men want to marry, what makes you think it's your business? You have multiple responses on this topic, many of them today, yet you have no answer here? Not even some idiotic hypothetical question?
#87. To: lucysmom (#69) I would certainly like to see where I did that. It took less than a minute to find this comment from you. Lucysmom using the Pedophile bomb. Typical gutless lying liberal.
#88. To: We The People (#86) You have multiple responses on this topic, many of them today, yet you have no answer here? just like F****t Mike on the Zimmerman threads.
#89. To: Thunderbird (#88) And not a single post by any of the socialists since. Makes one wonder how many of them are the same idiot.
#90. To: Thunderbird, Ferret Mike (#88) F****t Mike Why did you spell out Ferret Mike's name in such a way? Never swear "allegiance" to anything other than the 'right to change your mind'! #91. To: Thunderbird (#87) Typical gutless lying liberal. Naaah, you're more likely to be a baby killer. Stone sees them everywhere. Almost every country in the Middle East is awash in oil, and we have to side with the one that has nothing but joos. Goddamn, that was good thinkin'. Esso posted on 2012-01-13 7:37:56 ET Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest |
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