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Title: Sen. Rand Paul: When Big Oil Screws Americans At The Gas Pump, ‘You Should Want To Encourage Them’
Source: THINKPROGRESS
URL Source: http://thinkprogress.org/green/2012 ... should-want-to-encourage-them/
Published: Mar 27, 2012
Author: Rebecca Leber
Post Date: 2012-03-27 16:00:53 by Brian S
Keywords: None
Views: 22339
Comments: 47

The top five oil companies in the United States have already made $5.8 billion in windfall profits from spiking gasoline prices this year. Yesterday, Senate Republicans agreed to debate a bill that repeals $2 billion in annual tax breaks for these super-wealthy oil giants. The move was purely a political calculation — don’t expect the GOP to end taxpayer welfare for their Big Oil allies. GOP senators like Rand Paul (R-KY) and Jon Kyl (R-AZ) have used their time on the Senate floor today to push error-riddled arguments coming straight from their oil industry donors.

Paul argued Big Oil deserves even more favors from government, because they’re doing such a good job extracting wealth from American families:

Instead of punishing them, you should want to encourage them. I would think you would want to say to the oil companies, “What obstacles are there to you making more money?” And hiring more people. Instead they say, “No, we must punish them. We must tax them more to make things fair.” This whole thing about fairness is so misguided and gotten out of hand.

Watch it:

“We as a society need to glorify those who make a profit,” Paul concluded.

In his floor speech, Kyl claimed that ending the tax breaks would be “discriminatory.”

The five major oil companies are some of the largest and most profitable corporations in the world, increasingly at the expense of the rest of humanity. The big five companies enjoyed record levels of $137 billion profits last year, while paying absurdly low tax rates. Exxon is the most profitable, making $1300 per second in 2011, but it only paid a 13 percent tax rate, according to a Reuters analysis. The oil industry claims it pays a higher tax rate — but it counts foreign taxes and deferred taxes.

The industry is set to make even higher profits from record gas prices. A Center for American Progress analysis shows that for every penny rise in gas, the big five companies gain $200 million more in profit. Republican senators are asking to boost Big Oil’s profits at the expense of the 99 percent.

Meanwhile, the oil industry is not using its profits to hire more people. Paul falsely claimed the oil companies employ 9.2 million people — in fact, there are only 2.2 million jobs in the entire oil industry, and 40 percent of those jobs are minimum-wage work at gas stations. Exxon Mobil, Chevron, Shell, and BP have shed their U.S. workforce by 11,200 between 2005 to 2010, according to a report last year. Big Oil isn’t investing in renewable energy or in reducing oil spills, either.

Strangely, while Kyl and Paul called an end to oil subsidies indefensible, they used the opportunity to label clean energy tax credits “crony government.” During his clean energy rant, Paul said:

It doesn’t seem to right that your tax dollars are sent to companies just because they’re big contributors.

Republicans have received 88 percent of donations from the oil industry’s coffers. In the Senate, Republicans have taken over $13.8 million from oil, compared to the Democrats’ $3.3 million, meaning Senate Republicans have taken four times the amount in Big Oil contributions as Democrats. Kyl is the No. 29 largest recipient in the Senate from oil and gas in career contributions with over $330,000and Paul has received over $106,000 from oil. Subscribe to *TeaParty Economics on Parade*

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#1. To: Brian S (#0)

The top five oil companies in the United States have already made $5.8 billion in windfall profits from spiking gasoline prices this year.

I guess 5% profits is just way too much for some people isn't it!!!!! I suspect you would rather they give it away....

CZ82  posted on  2012-03-27   16:41:20 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: CZ82, A K A Stone, Brian S, Capitalist Eric (#1)

I guess 5% profits [for oil companies] is just way too much for some people isn't it!!!!! I suspect you would rather they give it away....

But how much do the states and the federal government get out of each gallon you buy?

Wiki:Gasoline tax
Fuel taxes in the United States vary by state. The United States federal excise tax on gasoline, as of February 2011, is 18.4 cents per gallon (4.86 ¢/L) and 24.4 cents per gallon (6.45 ¢/L) for diesel fuel. In January 2011, motor gasoline taxes averaged 48.1 cents per gallon (12.71 ¢/L) and diesel fuel taxes averaged 53.1 cents per gallon (14.03 ¢/L).[9] For the first quarter of 2009, the mean state gasoline tax is 27.2 cents per US gallon, plus 18.4 cents per US gallon federal tax making the total 45.6 cents per US gallon (12.0 ¢/L). For diesel, the mean state tax is 26.6 cents per US gallon plus an additional 24.4 cents per US gallon federal tax making the total 50.8 cents US per gallon (13.4 ¢/L).[10] There are also a few states and municipalities that charge sales tax on top of the excise taxes and the retail price.
At $4 per gallon for gasoline, the feds take 18.4¢ and that is a "profit" of 4.6%. They spent nothing, invested nothing, just take a fat share.

As for the states, they get about 50% than the feds do. At $4 gas and a mean state gas tax rate of 26.6¢, the states are averaging 6.65% profit off of fuel taxes.

And these are the people howling over the oil companies profiting from oil? Have they lost their minds? They're like some pack of communists.

Tooconservative  posted on  2012-03-27   19:00:56 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: TooConservative (#5)

At $4 per gallon for gasoline, the feds take 18.4¢ and that is a "profit" of 4.6%. They spent nothing, invested nothing, just take a fat share.

You have to be kidding.

mininggold  posted on  2012-03-27   19:02:40 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: mininggold (#6) (Edited)

These fuel taxes are in federal statute. Look it up for yourself.

In some Blue states like NY, I last heard their combined state gas tax was something around 60¢.

The state and federal government rake in far more pure profit from the excise taxes on fuels than the oil companies ever get.

Yet, they continue to give excise tax breaks to Hollyweird. No one ever wants to talk about their actual excise tax exemption.


See Wiki for more info on state fuel tax rates.

Taxes on gasoline and diesel for transportation by U.S. state in U.S. cents per gallon as of July 2009
State Gasoline tax
(includes federal tax
of 18.4¢/gal)
Diesel tax
(includes federal tax
of 24.4¢/gal)
US average47.051.4
Alabama39.446.3
Alaska18.424.4
Arizona37.451.5
Arkansas40.247.2
California64.568.9
Colorado40.444.9
Connecticut59.369.5
Delaware41.446.4
District of Columbia38.444.4
Florida52.954.2
Georgia31.437.3
Hawaii62.770.8
Idaho43.449.4
Illinois57.264.4
Indiana52.265.9
Iowa40.447.9
Kansas43.451.4
Kentucky40.943.9
Louisiana38.444.4
Maine49.456.6
Maryland41.948.7
Massachusetts41.947.9
Michigan53.155.1
Minnesota45.651.6
Mississippi37.243.2
Missouri35.741.7
Montana46.253.0
Nebraska45.751.7
Nevada51.553.0
New Hampshire38.044.0
New Jersey32.941.9
New Mexico37.247.2
New York63.467.7
North Carolina48.654.6
North Dakota41.447.4
Ohio46.452.4
Oklahoma35.438.4
Oregon48.454.4
Pennsylvania50.763.6
Rhode Island51.457.4
South Carolina35.241.2
South Dakota42.448.4
Tennessee39.842.8
Texas38.444.4
Utah42.948.9
Vermont41.750.4
Virginia37.843.8
Washington55.961.9
West Virginia50.656.5
Wisconsin51.357.3
Wyoming32.438.4

Tooconservative  posted on  2012-03-27   20:14:40 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: TooConservative (#7)

The state and federal government rake in far more pure profit from the excise taxes on fuels than the oil companies ever get.

First, your chart includes state and local sales tax as well as excise taxes.

Second, state and federal sales taxes are not "pure profit", but are used to maintain roads, and pay for clean up of underground tank leakage.

Our Republican governor, the Terminator (some call the boobengrabber), did do some tricky thing with the gas taxes that raised rates and diverted money to the general fund*, but for the most part taxes on gas pay for roads and clean up.

*Grover Norquist seems to be more generous to GOP politicians when it comes to granting tax increases than he is to Democrats.

lucysmom  posted on  2012-03-28   10:36:34 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: lucysmom (#16)

First, your chart includes state and local sales tax as well as excise taxes.

You can argue it with Wiki if you like. Seems a fair enough metric to me.

The picture won't improve much even if you had your way.

Second, state and federal sales taxes are not "pure profit", but are used to maintain roads, and pay for clean up of underground tank leakage.

They are also used to routinely blackmail states. Like trying to force Montana to enforce the 55mph speed limit (despite the fact that one of the largest killers on Montana's highways was people falling asleep at the wheel).

Tooconservative  posted on  2012-03-28   10:51:43 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: TooConservative (#18)

They are also used to routinely blackmail states. Like trying to force Montana to enforce the 55mph speed limit (despite the fact that one of the largest killers on Montana's highways was people falling asleep at the wheel).

The price of independence is paying your own way.

lucysmom  posted on  2012-03-28   11:05:30 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: lucysmom (#20)

The taxes were collected, hauled to Washington to be divvied up (with the feds taking a fat cut for administration) then doled back out to the states.

With Montana, they withheld the taxes that Montana had collected for them and sent to Washington.

You might want to think twice about why a government that powerful is a good idea. I would think you libs would think twice, given some of the things Bush pulled while in office. The only real answer is never letting the government have such power to begin with.

Tooconservative  posted on  2012-03-28   11:09:05 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: TooConservative (#21)

You might want to think twice about why a government that powerful is a good idea.

I wouldn't hold my breath if I were you it probably wouldn't turn out too well..

What I really love is people think the government is a cure all for everything are the ones who haven't been out of the country to see what crappy governments are really like.... They also seem to think the government will give them things they can't afford to buy/do themselves, good luck with that.... By the time they figure out the truth it will too late, and they will whine incessantly that it wasn't their fault for being ignorant......

CZ82  posted on  2012-03-29   8:47:01 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: CZ82 (#37)

I wouldn't hold my breath if I were you it probably wouldn't turn out too well..

Better than being a kochsucker lackey. Try voting them out of office.

mininggold  posted on  2012-03-29   10:12:19 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: mininggold, TooConservative, CZ82 (#38)

Better than being a kochsucker lackey. Try voting them out of office.

They're corporate lackeys and their masters can't be voted out of office in the voting booth.

Here is a free market alturnative to gas tax collection:

The government should apply a light touch to the collection system. Rather than relying on any particular technology, a more open approach would let the marketplace supply necessary data- collection equipment and services, certified for consistency.

Actual tax collection could be contracted to private companies, acting on behalf of the revenue agency. That way, market competition could drive down administrative costs. The government would oversee and certify providers to ensure fairness.

Paying the mileage tax could be as simple as paying a utility bill. Whether it will be as automatic as the gasoline tax embedded in a fuel purchase depends on which method motorists choose. In all cases, motorists will be better aware of the taxes they pay.

Public debate shouldn’t be hampered by concerns about a new government bureaucracy or the privacy implications of collecting GPS data. Although a mileage-tax pilot program did involve GPS receivers, there was no retention of personal data or tracking of individual vehicle movements.

www.bloomberg.com/news/20...ry-by-james-m-whitty.html

Don't worry, be happy!

lucysmom  posted on  2012-03-29   10:55:06 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: lucysmom (#40)

Public debate shouldn’t be hampered by concerns about a new government bureaucracy or the privacy implications of collecting GPS data. Although a mileage-tax pilot program did involve GPS receivers, there was no retention of personal data or tracking of individual vehicle movements.

Don't be so foolish.

The original Social Security legislation absolutely forbade the use of a S.S. number for any other purpose.

Now it is tied to everything, including serving as your tracking number under ObamaCare.

If the information is available, the public and private sector will always misappropriate it. And the courts won't lift a finger to stop them.

Tooconservative  posted on  2012-03-29   11:18:28 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#42. To: TooConservative (#41)

That was my point.

I would prefer anonymous tax collection at the pump to a free market GPS on my car, but then according to youse guys, I love government.

lucysmom  posted on  2012-03-29 11:27:55 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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