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Satans Mark/Cashless Title: Use Birth Control? You're Fired! First, a bill that gives immunity to doctors who lie to couples about the results of their prenatal tests in order to prevent them from getting an abortion. Now, a bill that would give your boss the green light to fire you for using birth control. You think I am kidding? I wish. For a decade now, Arizona insurance companies have been required to provide coverage for contraception just like other prescriptions. But, because they saw an opening to score some political points, some politicians there are suddenly moving to take that coverage away from women and their families. And we aren’t talking here just about exemptions for religiously affiliated employers like Catholic hospitals and universities. We are talking about authorizing secular, for-profit employers to deny a woman coverage for birth control if the employer doesn’t believe that she and her partner should be allowed to have sex without getting pregnant. Yup, that’s right. If the owner of the Taco Bell where you work opposes birth control, Arizona legislators want to give him a legal right to deny you insurance coverage for your pills. Sadly, that isn’t even the half of it. You may want to sit down for this one. Arizona legislators know that whether or not her insurance covers it, a woman may get the prescription she needs to prevent an unintended pregnancy. They want to give her boss the right to control that too. The bill they are pushing would not only allow employers to take the insurance coverage away, but it would also make it easier for an employer who finds out that his employee uses birth control to fire her. You heard me right . . . to fire her. And I thought Rush Limbaugh’s comments were as low as you could go on this one. Post Comment Private Reply Ignore Thread Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest Comments (1-27) not displayed.
too funny you are...8D Thank you. Some here say I have no sense of humor. Anyone claiming to be an expert is selling something. I brandish my ignorance like a crucifix at vampires. Aaron Bady #29. To: lucysmom (#24) They either need to remove the exemption from the religious employers or extend it to all employers. I vote for the former. They should not be mandated to provide any certain type of health insurance nor should the be mandated to deny any type. Whatever the employer offers is generally what you have to go with or turn down and get your own outside of work. Personally, I think the employee should be able to add contraceptive coverage into the health plan and pay the extra costs in including it regardless of the employer's moral beliefs.
#30. To: mel (#29) They either need to remove the exemption from the religious employers or extend it to all employers. I vote for the former. I agree. Single payer is the only way to go. Almost every country in the Middle East is awash in oil, and we have to side with the one that has nothing but joos. Goddamn, that was good thinkin'. Esso posted on 2012-01-13 7:37:56 ET #31. To: mel (#29) We should have universal, single payer health insurance. Anyone claiming to be an expert is selling something. I brandish my ignorance like a crucifix at vampires. Aaron Bady #32. To: mininggold (#30) I agree. Single payer is the only way to go. You beat me to it. Anyone claiming to be an expert is selling something. I brandish my ignorance like a crucifix at vampires. Aaron Bady #33. To: lucysmom (#32) You beat me to it. At this point in my life I figure if it's good enough for the military, then us second class citizens should be able have a go at it too. Almost every country in the Middle East is awash in oil, and we have to side with the one that has nothing but joos. Goddamn, that was good thinkin'. Esso posted on 2012-01-13 7:37:56 ET #34. To: mininggold (#33) At this point in my life I figure if it's good enough for the military, then us second class citizens should be able have a go at it too. The private sector has had a good long time to get its ducks in a row and has failed to deliver access to affordable health care to the people who actually need it. Time for them to go. Anyone claiming to be an expert is selling something. I brandish my ignorance like a crucifix at vampires. Aaron Bady #35. To: lucysmom (#32) Only if the only people covered are the people that pay would I even think about considering that, and even then, I don't want the feds in charge of my health care.
#36. To: mel (#35) (Edited) Only if the only people covered are the people that pay would I even think about considering that, and even then, I don't want the feds in charge of my health care. They already are and have been since the seventies. Almost every country in the Middle East is awash in oil, and we have to side with the one that has nothing but joos. Goddamn, that was good thinkin'. Esso posted on 2012-01-13 7:37:56 ET #37. To: mel (#35) Only if the only people covered are the people that pay would I even think about considering that... So then what would happen to people too poor to pay? I don't want the feds in charge of my health care.
My parents had no problems with Medicare and plenty with private insurance. Anyone claiming to be an expert is selling something. I brandish my ignorance like a crucifix at vampires. Aaron Bady #38. To: lucysmom (#37) So then what would happen to people too poor to pay? States already have programs to cover them.
#39. To: lucysmom (#37) You are proposing bigger government and more government involvement in our private lives. Conservatives are against that. Everyone should be against that.
#40. To: mininggold (#36) The Feds are NOT in charge of my health care. :)
#41. To: mel (#40) The Feds are NOT in charge of my health care. :) They certainly are. Almost every country in the Middle East is awash in oil, and we have to side with the one that has nothing but joos. Goddamn, that was good thinkin'. Esso posted on 2012-01-13 7:37:56 ET #42. To: mininggold (#41) How so? Please, inform me of something about my life that you know and I don't.
#43. To: mel (#42) (Edited) How so? Please, inform me of something about my life that you know and I don't. Who do you think is in charge of enforcing the minimum standards set by congress for ALL aspects of hospital, medical, laboratory, nursing care, etc etc? Almost every country in the Middle East is awash in oil, and we have to side with the one that has nothing but joos. Goddamn, that was good thinkin'. Esso posted on 2012-01-13 7:37:56 ET #44. To: mel (#38) States already have programs to cover them. Who pays for that? Anyone claiming to be an expert is selling something. I brandish my ignorance like a crucifix at vampires. Aaron Bady #45. To: mel (#39) You are proposing bigger government and more government involvement in our private lives. How's that? Anyone claiming to be an expert is selling something. I brandish my ignorance like a crucifix at vampires. Aaron Bady #46. To: mininggold (#43) Standards of care is not the same as being in control of my health care... I choose what doctor I see. I choose what method of treatment I get. Etc, etc, etc. Not the Feds. I prefer it that way.
#47. To: mininggold (#43) Who do you think is in charge of enforcing the minimum standards set by congress for ALL aspects of hospital, medical, laboratory, nursing care, etc etc? And where the federal government isn't involved that state's governments are - otherwise Arizona wouldn't be concerned with exempting business from including contraceptives from insurance they buy for their employees. As it is now, everyone's involved in the health care you receive, government, insurance providers, and your employer - you and your doctor have to play "mother may I" with the three. Anyone claiming to be an expert is selling something. I brandish my ignorance like a crucifix at vampires. Aaron Bady #48. To: lucysmom (#44) duh
#49. To: lucysmom (#47) As it is now, everyone's involved in the health care you receive, government, insurance providers, and your employer - you and your doctor have to play "mother may I" with the three. And this is where you are wrong. The only people involved in my health care is my doctor and myself. :)
#50. To: mel (#46) I choose what doctor I see. I choose what method of treatment I get. Etc, etc, etc. Not the Feds. I prefer it that way. Your insurance provider doesn't give you a list of approved doctors? Who licenses doctors that may practice in your state? Anyone claiming to be an expert is selling something. I brandish my ignorance like a crucifix at vampires. Aaron Bady #51. To: All (#49) And since the system is already set up to cover the poor and the employed for the most part get coverage through their employer, I see no need for a single payer system unless you want the employed to be taxed like Canadians and Europeans.
#52. To: mel (#48) duh If your "duh" means what I think it means, wouldn't you rather your taxes paid for an office visit than a trip to the er? I would like my tax dollars to be used efficiently, ie the best service for the least. Anyone claiming to be an expert is selling something. I brandish my ignorance like a crucifix at vampires. Aaron Bady #53. To: mel (#49) The only people involved in my health care is my doctor and myself. :) So then you pay out-of-pocket? Anyone claiming to be an expert is selling something. I brandish my ignorance like a crucifix at vampires. Aaron Bady #54. To: lucysmom (#50) Your insurance provider doesn't give you a list of approved doctors? You missed the part where I am cash pay for everything.
Your questions are rhetorical. Can you not come up with a good reason why everyone should have the exact same health insurance regulated by the Federal Government?
#55. To: lucysmom (#52) People on state health care have doctors that they do go to, not the ER. You think you'll get the best service with the Feds in charge of everything? hahaha They screw everything up. You put too much faith into the Feds. They are not here to help you. They are here to line their pockets.
#56. To: mel (#54) You missed the part where I am cash pay for everything. You are right, I did miss that. Anyone claiming to be an expert is selling something. I brandish my ignorance like a crucifix at vampires. Aaron Bady #57. To: All (#55) The both of you support Obamacare? I thought minninggold was a conservative... Things change when you stay away so long.
#58. To: lucysmom (#56) Romney's idea of health care is on a state by state basis, where the states get to decide. That is an idea I can get stand behind. State level - yes. Federal level - No.
#59. To: mel (#55) People on state health care have doctors that they do go to, not the ER. Around here they do too, however doctors who work for the county aren't able to see patients on short notice. Anyone claiming to be an expert is selling something. I brandish my ignorance like a crucifix at vampires. Aaron Bady #60. To: mel (#57) (Edited) The both of you support Obamacare? Obama care is not single payer. The conservative movement left me when they decided that pieces of paper had rights. Almost every country in the Middle East is awash in oil, and we have to side with the one that has nothing but joos. Goddamn, that was good thinkin'. Esso posted on 2012-01-13 7:37:56 ET #61. To: mel (#57) The both of you support Obamacare? I was disappointed when single payer was taken off the table. Anyone claiming to be an expert is selling something. I brandish my ignorance like a crucifix at vampires. Aaron Bady #62. To: lucysmom (#28) Some here say I have no sense of humor. " A growing body of psychology research shows that incompetence deprives people of the ability to recognize their own incompetence. To put it bluntly, dumb people are too dumb to know it. Similarly, unfunny people don't have a good enough sense of humor to tell. This disconnect may be responsible for many of society's problems.....;}"
#63. To: lucysmom (#61) I was disappointed when single payer was taken off the table. Actually at the time I was happy, but far wiser people than me evidently knew what problems would soon occur. Almost every country in the Middle East is awash in oil, and we have to side with the one that has nothing but joos. Goddamn, that was good thinkin'. Esso posted on 2012-01-13 7:37:56 ET #64. To: mcgowanjm (#62) I like you better and better all the time. Anyone claiming to be an expert is selling something. I brandish my ignorance like a crucifix at vampires. Aaron Bady #65. To: mininggold (#63) What changed your mind. Anyone claiming to be an expert is selling something. I brandish my ignorance like a crucifix at vampires. Aaron Bady #66. To: lucysmom (#65) What changed your mind. The various excentricities that employers want to impose on the policies they carry. Almost every country in the Middle East is awash in oil, and we have to side with the one that has nothing but joos. Goddamn, that was good thinkin'. Esso posted on 2012-01-13 7:37:56 ET #67. To: lucysmom (#64) I like you better and better all the time. you're too kind. Jim
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