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Title: Dawkins Admits He Cannot Prove God Does Not Exist
Source: GFP.com
URL Source: http://godfatherpolitics.com/4011/d ... nnot-prove-god-does-not-exist/
Published: Mar 5, 2012
Author: Giacomo
Post Date: 2012-03-05 13:55:53 by CZ82
Keywords: None
Views: 41511
Comments: 108

Dawkins Admits He Cannot Prove God Does Not Exist

March 5, 2012 by Giacomo

For centuries, people have claimed to be atheists because no one could prove to them that God exists. One of the most ardent members of that group has been British author Richard Dawkins. I’ve read and listened to Dawkins challenge believers to prove to him that God exists and that if they could he might believe in God.

But in reality, the opposite is true. The onus is on people like Dawkins to prove there is no God and this is something he has finally realized he cannot do. With the realization that he cannot prove God does not exist, Dawkins shocked many throughout the world with his announcement that he is not an atheist after all, but rather he would classify himself as an agnostic.

The definition of an agnostic is someone who believes that the existence of God is unknown and that human knowledge is limited to physical evidence plus things that can be experienced and this is where Dawkins find himself.

However, many Christians, like evangelist and author Ray Comfort, challenge Dawkins statement about being an agnostic and that it has everything to do with evidence and proving that God does not exist. Rather, Comfort says that people like Dawkins are making a decision on the moral choice to deny the existence of God. If they acknowledged God in any form, they would have to realize that they would have a moral obligation to be responsible to Him.

Comfort goes even further and describes Dawkins as not only being ignorant but of being an ignoramus. He explains,

“Richard Dawkins is ignorant when it comes to the existence of God. However, it’s a willful ignorance. He has in the past stated that he believes that nothing created everything, which is a scientific impossibility. It’s not only impossible, it’s crazy to believe that. That’s why the Bible uses the word ‘fool’ to describe someone who says that God doesn’t exist.

“Professing atheists will often slip into pleading ignorance, but that plea doesn’t solve their case, because they just move from being a ‘fool’ to being an ‘ignoramus.’

“The word ‘ignoramus’ is a legal term derived from a Latin word meaning ‘we do not know. An ignoramus is like a man who looks at a building and says that he ‘doesn’t know’ if a builder exists. Obviously, the building is proof that there was a builder, because buildings don’t build themselves.

“The reason why anyone would be that ignorant is clear. It’s not a case of a lack of evidence. The problem with Professor Dawkins isn’t intellectual, but moral. He doesn’t want to admit that God exists, because if he does, he’s admitting that he’s morally responsible to Him.”

I found the definition of agnostic interesting because it is not only based on physical evidence, but also relies on things that can be experienced. I don’t know about you, but I’ve experienced the presence of God numerous times in my life. I’ve witnessed things that defy all natural explanation and can only be explained by a God who watches over and gets involved in our lives. To be honest, I didn’t pick my wife some 42 years ago, but rather I can see where God caused a number of things to happen, that shouldn’t have happened, that led to us getting together. (Knowing that God picked her out for me also tells me that I have to do whatever it takes to make sure nothing happens to destroy our marriage.)

Deep inside all of us we experience the presence of God as we were made in His image with an ingrained knowledge of him from the very beginning. One of my favorite examples of this was Helen Keller, who at the young age of 19 months developed a fever that left her blind and deaf. She was so young at the time that she had little memory of vision or hearing. She grew up in a black and soundless world without any communication with others, other than touch until Ann Sullivan found a way to communicate to her.

In one of her letters, Helen told Bishop Brooks that she had always known about God, even before she had any words. Before she could call God anything, she knew God was there. She didn’t know what it was. God had no name for her — nothing had a name for her. She had no concept of a name. But in her darkness and isolation, she knew she was not alone. Someone was with her. She felt God’s love. And when she received the gift of language and heard about God, she said she already knew.

If Richard Dawkins is correct, Helen Keller should never have been able to experience the presence of God, but she did because the knowledge of God is part of who we all are. Therefore, Ray Comfort is absolutely correct when he says that Dawkins and others are making a moral decision to deny the existence of God since they know that God exists in them and cannot prove to others that He doesn’t

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#2. To: CZ82 (#0)

Likewise, it cannot be proven that Thor, the God of Thunder does not exist.

calcon  posted on  2012-03-05   15:09:49 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: calcon (#2)

Likewise, it cannot be proven that Thor, the God of Thunder does not exist.

That is what i was going to say. You can't prove a negative..

NewsJunky  posted on  2012-03-05   15:20:10 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: NewsJunky (#3)

“The word ‘ignoramus’ is a legal term derived from a Latin word meaning ‘we do not know. An ignoramus is like a man who looks at a building and says that he ‘doesn’t know’ if a builder exists. Obviously, the building is proof that there was a builder, because buildings don’t build themselves.

So who then did make that "watch?"

redleghunter  posted on  2012-03-05   17:59:52 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: redleghunter (#7)

So who then did make that "watch?"

Why must there be a creator?

NewsJunky  posted on  2012-03-05   19:11:16 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: NewsJunky (#15)

Why must there be a creator?

Because "things" exist.

redleghunter  posted on  2012-03-05   19:13:34 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: redleghunter (#16)

Because "things" exist.

What if they have always existed?

NewsJunky  posted on  2012-03-05   19:16:00 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: NewsJunky (#18)

Because "things" exist. What if they have always existed?

Do you have any evidence that they always existed?

redleghunter  posted on  2012-03-06   13:34:27 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: redleghunter (#29)

Do you have any evidence that they always existed?

Do you know it hasn't?

NewsJunky  posted on  2012-03-06   14:39:35 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: NewsJunky (#30)

Do you have any evidence that they always existed? Do you know it hasn't?

Your questions prompt me to ask if you believe something came from nothing? Also, is the universe ordered or chaotic?

redleghunter  posted on  2012-03-06   15:50:59 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: redleghunter (#35)

Also, is the universe ordered or chaotic?

It is governed by the laws of physics so in one sense it is ordered. That doesn't mean that there must be something to supernatural that makes it ordered.

NewsJunky  posted on  2012-03-06   16:43:02 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: NewsJunky (#39)

It is governed

Governed implies a Governor.

redleghunter  posted on  2012-03-06   16:56:18 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: redleghunter (#40)

Governed implies a Governor.

No not necessarily..

NewsJunky  posted on  2012-03-06   19:19:39 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: NewsJunky (#45)

Governed implies a Governor. No not necessarily..

Yes it does. You said we are governed by physical laws. If that is the case who is the lawgiver? To say we have no lawgiver to these laws of nature, that would be saying all has come about impersonally by chance. Even if you argue things have "always been there without beginning" it had to happen either by an unmoved mover or by chance.

redleghunter  posted on  2012-03-06   19:25:57 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: redleghunter (#46)

To say we have no lawgiver to these laws of nature, that would be saying all has come about impersonally by chance.

Exactly..

NewsJunky  posted on  2012-03-06   20:28:12 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#61. To: NewsJunky (#50)

impersonally by chance. Exactly..

Please explain how this is so?

redleghunter  posted on  2012-03-07   17:50:47 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#62. To: redleghunter (#61) (Edited)

Please explain how this is so?

I am not a physicist or cosmologist, so ask one.

But explain to me how if God is all knowing and can know the future, how can humans have free will if human actions can affect the future?

NewsJunky  posted on  2012-03-07   17:57:32 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#65. To: NewsJunky (#62)

I am not a physicist or cosmologist, so ask one.

But explain to me how if God is all knowing and can know the future, how can humans have free will if human actions can affect the future?

The answers you seek are in God's Holy Word the Bible. Here is a just a preview, as you go on line and buy a Bible:

From Job 38-40 (I presume you will actually read this, right?):NKJV

Job 38:

1 Then the Lord answered Job out of the whirlwind, and said: 2 "Who is this who darkens counsel By words without knowledge? 3 Now prepare yourself like a man; I will question you, and you shall answer Me. 4 "Where were you when I laid the foundations of the earth? Tell Me, if you have understanding. 5 Who determined its measurements? Surely you know! Or who stretched the line upon it? 6 To what were its foundations fastened? Or who laid its cornerstone, 7 When the morning stars sang together, And all the sons of God shouted for joy? 8 "Or who shut in the sea with doors, When it burst forth and issued from the womb; 9 When I made the clouds its garment, And thick darkness its swaddling band; 10 When I fixed My limit for it, And set bars and doors; 11 When I said, 'This far you may come, but no farther, And here your proud waves must stop!' 12 "Have you commanded the morning since your days began, And caused the dawn to know its place, 13 That it might take hold of the ends of the earth, And the wicked be shaken out of it? 14 It takes on form like clay under a seal, And stands out like a garment. 15 From the wicked their light is withheld, And the upraised arm is broken. 16 "Have you entered the springs of the sea? Or have you walked in search of the depths? 17 Have the gates of death been revealed to you? Or have you seen the doors of the shadow of death? 18 Have you comprehended the breadth of the earth? Tell Me, if you know all this. 19 "Where is the way to the dwelling of light? And darkness, where is its place, 20 That you may take it to its territory, That you may know the paths to its home? 21 Do you know it, because you were born then, Or because the number of your days is great? 22 "Have you entered the treasury of snow, Or have you seen the treasury of hail, 23 Which I have reserved for the time of trouble, For the day of battle and war? 24 By what way is light diffused, Or the east wind scattered over the earth? 25 "Who has divided a channel for the overflowing water, Or a path for the thunderbolt, 26 To cause it to rain on a land where there is no one, A wilderness in which there is no man; 27 To satisfy the desolate waste, And cause to spring forth the growth of tender grass? 28 Has the rain a father? Or who has begotten the drops of dew? 29 From whose womb comes the ice? And the frost of heaven, who gives it birth? 30 The waters harden like stone, And the surface of the deep is frozen. 31 "Can you bind the cluster of the Pleiades, Or loose the belt of Orion? 32 Can you bring out Mazzaroth in its season? Or can you guide the Great Bear with its cubs? 33 Do you know the ordinances of the heavens? Can you set their dominion over the earth? 34 "Can you lift up your voice to the clouds, That an abundance of water may cover you? 35 Can you send out lightnings, that they may go, And say to you, 'Here we are!'? 36 Who has put wisdom in the mind? Or who has given understanding to the heart? 37 Who can number the clouds by wisdom? Or who can pour out the bottles of heaven, 38 When the dust hardens in clumps, And the clods cling together? 39 "Can you hunt the prey for the lion, Or satisfy the appetite of the young lions, 40 When they crouch in their dens, Or lurk in their lairs to lie in wait? 41 Who provides food for the raven, When its young ones cry to God, And wander about for lack of food?

Job 39:

1 "Do you know the time when the wild mountain goats bear young? Or can you mark when the deer gives birth? 2 Can you number the months that they fulfill? Or do you know the time when they bear young? 3 They bow down, They bring forth their young, They deliver their offspring. 4 Their young ones are healthy, They grow strong with grain; They depart and do not return to them. 5 "Who set the wild donkey free? Who loosed the bonds of the onager, 6 Whose home I have made the wilderness, And the barren land his dwelling? 7 He scorns the tumult of the city; He does not heed the shouts of the driver. 8 The range of the mountains is his pasture, And he searches after every green thing. 9 "Will the wild ox be willing to serve you? Will he bed by your manger? 10 Can you bind the wild ox in the furrow with ropes? Or will he plow the valleys behind you? 11 Will you trust him because his strength is great? Or will you leave your labor to him? 12 Will you trust him to bring home your grain, And gather it to your threshing floor? 13 "The wings of the ostrich wave proudly, But are her wings and pinions like the kindly stork's? 14 For she leaves her eggs on the ground, And warms them in the dust; 15 She forgets that a foot may crush them, Or that a wild beast may break them. 16 She treats her young harshly, as though they were not hers; Her labor is in vain, without concern, 17 Because God deprived her of wisdom, And did not endow her with understanding. 18 When she lifts herself on high, She scorns the horse and its rider. 19 "Have you given the horse strength? Have you clothed his neck with thunder? 20 Can you frighten him like a locust? His majestic snorting strikes terror. 21 He paws in the valley, and rejoices in his strength; He gallops into the clash of arms. 22 He mocks at fear, and is not frightened; Nor does he turn back from the sword. 23 The quiver rattles against him, The glittering spear and javelin. 24 He devours the distance with fierceness and rage; Nor does he come to a halt because the trumpet has sounded. 25 At the blast of the trumpet he says, 'Aha!' He smells the battle from afar, The thunder of captains and shouting. 26 "Does the hawk fly by your wisdom, And spread its wings toward the south? 27 Does the eagle mount up at your command, And make its nest on high? 28 On the rocks it dwells and resides, On the crag of the rock and the stronghold. 29 From there it spies out the prey; Its eyes observe from afar. 30 Its young ones suck up blood; And where the slain are, there it is."

Job 40:

1 Moreover the Lord answered Job, and said: 2 "Shall the one who contends with the Almighty correct Him? He who rebukes God, let him answer it." 3 Then Job answered the Lord and said: 4 "Behold, I am vile; What shall I answer You? I lay my hand over my mouth. 5 Once I have spoken, but I will not answer; Yes, twice, but I will proceed no further." 6 Then the Lord answered Job out of the whirlwind, and said: 7 "Now prepare yourself like a man; I will question you, and you shall answer Me: 8 "Would you indeed annul My judgment? Would you condemn Me that you may be justified? 9 Have you an arm like God? Or can you thunder with a voice like His? 10 Then adorn yourself with majesty and splendor, And array yourself with glory and beauty. 11 Disperse the rage of your wrath; Look on everyone who is proud, and humble him. 12 Look on everyone who is proud, and bring him low; Tread down the wicked in their place. 13 Hide them in the dust together, Bind their faces in hidden darkness. 14 Then I will also confess to you That your own right hand can save you. 15 "Look now at the behemoth, which I made along with you; He eats grass like an ox. 16 See now, his strength is in his hips, And his power is in his stomach muscles. 17 He moves his tail like a cedar; The sinews of his thighs are tightly knit. 18 His bones are like beams of bronze, His ribs like bars of iron. 19 He is the first of the ways of God; Only He who made him can bring near His sword. 20 Surely the mountains yield food for him, And all the beasts of the field play there. 21 He lies under the lotus trees, In a covert of reeds and marsh. 22 The lotus trees cover him with their shade; The willows by the brook surround him. 23 Indeed the river may rage, Yet he is not disturbed; He is confident, though the Jordan gushes into his mouth, 24 Though he takes it in his eyes, Or one pierces his nose with a snare.

redleghunter  posted on  2012-03-07   18:04:30 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#68. To: redleghunter (#65)

I don't understand the gobbledygook. Just explain it to me in your own words.

NewsJunky  posted on  2012-03-07   19:05:37 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#72. To: NewsJunky (#68)

don't understand the gobbledygook. Just explain it to me in your own words.

Seems pretty straight shooting. Give it a whirl.

redleghunter  posted on  2012-03-07   19:13:57 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#74. To: redleghunter (#72)

Seems pretty straight shooting. Give it a whirl.

I don't understand it. If it is straightforward then explain it me.

NewsJunky  posted on  2012-03-07   19:17:41 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#76. To: NewsJunky (#74)

I don't understand it. If it is straightforward then explain it me.

What is there to explain. God is telling Job a human, how could he know of the Great Creation, since Job was a creation. You are being dishonest. What I posted from Job is in the English language. You are either unwilling to read it or don't care to read it. It is there. I entertained your scientific jargon which revealed a contradiction. At least do me the courtesy of reading my posts.

redleghunter  posted on  2012-03-07   19:21:11 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#78. To: redleghunter (#76)

God is telling Job a human, how could he know of the Great Creation, since Job was a creation.

That's not an answer. Explain it to me.

NewsJunky  posted on  2012-03-07   19:23:19 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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