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Title: Dawkins Admits He Cannot Prove God Does Not Exist
Source: GFP.com
URL Source: http://godfatherpolitics.com/4011/d ... nnot-prove-god-does-not-exist/
Published: Mar 5, 2012
Author: Giacomo
Post Date: 2012-03-05 13:55:53 by CZ82
Keywords: None
Views: 41502
Comments: 108

Dawkins Admits He Cannot Prove God Does Not Exist

March 5, 2012 by Giacomo

For centuries, people have claimed to be atheists because no one could prove to them that God exists. One of the most ardent members of that group has been British author Richard Dawkins. I’ve read and listened to Dawkins challenge believers to prove to him that God exists and that if they could he might believe in God.

But in reality, the opposite is true. The onus is on people like Dawkins to prove there is no God and this is something he has finally realized he cannot do. With the realization that he cannot prove God does not exist, Dawkins shocked many throughout the world with his announcement that he is not an atheist after all, but rather he would classify himself as an agnostic.

The definition of an agnostic is someone who believes that the existence of God is unknown and that human knowledge is limited to physical evidence plus things that can be experienced and this is where Dawkins find himself.

However, many Christians, like evangelist and author Ray Comfort, challenge Dawkins statement about being an agnostic and that it has everything to do with evidence and proving that God does not exist. Rather, Comfort says that people like Dawkins are making a decision on the moral choice to deny the existence of God. If they acknowledged God in any form, they would have to realize that they would have a moral obligation to be responsible to Him.

Comfort goes even further and describes Dawkins as not only being ignorant but of being an ignoramus. He explains,

“Richard Dawkins is ignorant when it comes to the existence of God. However, it’s a willful ignorance. He has in the past stated that he believes that nothing created everything, which is a scientific impossibility. It’s not only impossible, it’s crazy to believe that. That’s why the Bible uses the word ‘fool’ to describe someone who says that God doesn’t exist.

“Professing atheists will often slip into pleading ignorance, but that plea doesn’t solve their case, because they just move from being a ‘fool’ to being an ‘ignoramus.’

“The word ‘ignoramus’ is a legal term derived from a Latin word meaning ‘we do not know. An ignoramus is like a man who looks at a building and says that he ‘doesn’t know’ if a builder exists. Obviously, the building is proof that there was a builder, because buildings don’t build themselves.

“The reason why anyone would be that ignorant is clear. It’s not a case of a lack of evidence. The problem with Professor Dawkins isn’t intellectual, but moral. He doesn’t want to admit that God exists, because if he does, he’s admitting that he’s morally responsible to Him.”

I found the definition of agnostic interesting because it is not only based on physical evidence, but also relies on things that can be experienced. I don’t know about you, but I’ve experienced the presence of God numerous times in my life. I’ve witnessed things that defy all natural explanation and can only be explained by a God who watches over and gets involved in our lives. To be honest, I didn’t pick my wife some 42 years ago, but rather I can see where God caused a number of things to happen, that shouldn’t have happened, that led to us getting together. (Knowing that God picked her out for me also tells me that I have to do whatever it takes to make sure nothing happens to destroy our marriage.)

Deep inside all of us we experience the presence of God as we were made in His image with an ingrained knowledge of him from the very beginning. One of my favorite examples of this was Helen Keller, who at the young age of 19 months developed a fever that left her blind and deaf. She was so young at the time that she had little memory of vision or hearing. She grew up in a black and soundless world without any communication with others, other than touch until Ann Sullivan found a way to communicate to her.

In one of her letters, Helen told Bishop Brooks that she had always known about God, even before she had any words. Before she could call God anything, she knew God was there. She didn’t know what it was. God had no name for her — nothing had a name for her. She had no concept of a name. But in her darkness and isolation, she knew she was not alone. Someone was with her. She felt God’s love. And when she received the gift of language and heard about God, she said she already knew.

If Richard Dawkins is correct, Helen Keller should never have been able to experience the presence of God, but she did because the knowledge of God is part of who we all are. Therefore, Ray Comfort is absolutely correct when he says that Dawkins and others are making a moral decision to deny the existence of God since they know that God exists in them and cannot prove to others that He doesn’t

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#13. To: redleghunter (#7)

So who then did make that "watch?"

Mr. Natural Selection. :)

GarySpFC  posted on  2012-03-05   18:19:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: CZ82 (#0)
(Edited)

I really believe that people call themselves agnostic, because they are spiritual at some level- and some religious person has has inaccurately represented spirituality in a religion- sending them off to escape illogical ideas.

Most agnostics are clearly intellectual humans.

Of course he would have to admit that no one can prove that God does not exist. We can't prove that Santa doesn't exist.

diva betsy ross  posted on  2012-03-05   19:03:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: redleghunter (#7)

So who then did make that "watch?"

Why must there be a creator?

NewsJunky  posted on  2012-03-05   19:11:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: NewsJunky (#15)

Why must there be a creator?

Because "things" exist.

redleghunter  posted on  2012-03-05   19:13:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: Mad Dog (#5)

LOL!

"The FOOL has said in his heart that there is no God."

Yeah, yeah,

god is great, god is good, YEA GOD

calcon  posted on  2012-03-05   19:14:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: redleghunter (#16)

Because "things" exist.

What if they have always existed?

NewsJunky  posted on  2012-03-05   19:16:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: CZ82 (#0) (Edited)

The onus is on people like Dawkins to prove there is no God

Actually, neither proposition is provable.

We live in the context of the universe in which we exist. We cannot possibly know what lies outside of the universe, how it started, or why it is here.

Some of us have faith that there is something more to our existence than random biological processes. But we can't prove it.

The atheists also cannot prove otherwise.


Iran’s main drive for acquiring atomic weapons is not for use against Israel but as a deterrent against U.S. intervention -- Major General Zeevi Farkash, head of the Israeli Military Intelligence Directorate

jwpegler  posted on  2012-03-05   19:39:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: jwpegler (#19)

But we can't prove it.

Didn't God say in the Bible that just looking at nature was enough to prove it?

A K A Stone  posted on  2012-03-05   19:41:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: A K A Stone (#20)

Didn't God say in the Bible that just looking at nature was enough to prove it?

The dozens of Hindu gods may have said something different. Karl Marx had a book too, which said something different as well.

We believe in Jesus due to our faith.

It is not probable or disprovable that our faith is wrong.

It's our faith.


Iran’s main drive for acquiring atomic weapons is not for use against Israel but as a deterrent against U.S. intervention -- Major General Zeevi Farkash, head of the Israeli Military Intelligence Directorate

jwpegler  posted on  2012-03-05   19:48:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: jwpegler (#21)

Everyone is given a measure of faith.

A K A Stone  posted on  2012-03-05   19:57:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: calcon (#17)

god is great, god is good, YEA GOD

I am glad you said that. I am now sending funding to Harold Camping because of the repeated failures he has performed:

The Oakland-based Christian radio group that predicted the end of the world in May said it did its math wrong –- and rapture is now expected to occur Friday.

Preacher Harold Camping's Family Radio International posted a special message on its website on Thursday with a lengthy explanation about the Day of Judgment, which is expected to last five months. That "Day of Judgment" began on May 21 -– the date Camping had predicted as the end of the world, the website said. But it is now expected to last through Oct. 21.

"This is all describing a spiritual reality," the message states. God's elect are still physically wherever they happen to be in the world; but spiritually, He has gathered them all together by the act of saving them and brought them into His bed chamber----awaiting the very last day (October 21, 2011)."

Camping has long predicted the apocalypse, including in 1994, but the May 21 date received unprecedented publicity thanks to a worldwide $100-million campaign of caravans and billboards, financed by the sale and swap of TV and radio stations.

Tom Evans, who had acted as Camping's PR aide, said in May when the the day came and went without any cataclysmic events: "You can imagine we're pretty disappointed, but the word of God is still true. We obviously went too far, and that's something we need to learn from."

Camping suffered a stroke in June and remained hospitalized for months. But he is now back on the radio.

I figure, I can help him with his message.

buckeroo  posted on  2012-03-05   20:01:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: A K A Stone (#22)

Everyone is given a measure of faith.

Yes, but the question is whether they use the faith that they have or not.

Being a Christian is all about believing that Jesus was the son of god.

Too many people have hardened their hearts to this for a lot of no good reasons.


Iran’s main drive for acquiring atomic weapons is not for use against Israel but as a deterrent against U.S. intervention -- Major General Zeevi Farkash, head of the Israeli Military Intelligence Directorate

jwpegler  posted on  2012-03-05   20:50:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: calcon (#17)

Yeah, yeah,

god is great, god is good, YEA GOD

Spoken as the true fool that we all know you to be.

FOOL.

Spoiled, stupid and ignorant, brain dead phuckwads, libTURD fools, tools, and idiots, are the real sickness; the messiah "king" obammy and his regime are only the symptoms.

Mad Dog  posted on  2012-03-06   2:13:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: jwpegler, A K A Stone (#24)

Being a Christian is all about believing that Jesus was the son of god.

Being a Christian is all about knowing that Jesus IS the son of GOD.

There.

FIXED it for ya.

Spoiled, stupid and ignorant, brain dead phuckwads, libTURD fools, tools, and idiots, are the real sickness; the messiah "king" obammy and his regime are only the symptoms.

Mad Dog  posted on  2012-03-06   2:16:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: Mad Dog (#26)

Being a Christian is all about knowing that Jesus IS the son of GOD.

And judging by you, swearing like a drunk sailor and being an absolute asshole (except on Sunday of course).

Tag line: I wuz HACKED, cuz I SAY so!

(Boris Y) "I'd vote for obama"

(Mad Dog, Paul voter) IF RonniePAULIE runs as a repukelican't, (OR even as a demonRAT), against the messiah "king" obammy; I'd vote FOR him.

Wood_Chopper  posted on  2012-03-06   2:26:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: Mad Dog (#25)

Say a prayer to Allah for my heathen ass then and save me.

calcon  posted on  2012-03-06   10:35:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: NewsJunky (#18)

Because "things" exist. What if they have always existed?

Do you have any evidence that they always existed?

redleghunter  posted on  2012-03-06   13:34:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: redleghunter (#29)

Do you have any evidence that they always existed?

Do you know it hasn't?

NewsJunky  posted on  2012-03-06   14:39:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: Mad Dog (#26)

MD- Jesus is alive. :)

diva betsy ross  posted on  2012-03-06   15:11:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: Wood_Chopper (#27)

md; Being a Christian is all about knowing that Jesus IS the son of GOD.

boy; And judging by you, swearing like a drunk sailor and being an absolute asshole (except on Sunday of course).

You really are stoooooopid as a fence post aren't you woody boy?

Lets recap woody boy, a mere man, a sinner, knows what Christianity IS and so a God hating fool such as you wants to judge my putative "level" of Christianity, AND then to judge Christianity on it's LEAST and most flawed member, (me)?

LOL! What a F' ing FOOL you are woody! Pretty typical thought process for a libTURD loser such as YOU little boy. A admitted BAD individual, (ME), claims to be a Christian; so then God hating FOOLS such as you TRY to make THAT CHRISTIANITY'S fault or problem?

LOL!

That's what you libTURD scum do isn't it woody boy? You TRY to kill the TRUTH by attacking those who present it, eh loser?

Too bad for FOOLS such as you woody boy that the TRUTH is the TRUTH no matter who states it. But if SATAN himself speaks the actual TRUTH it is still the TRUTH you gibbering FOOL.

Where did I ever claim to be a GOOD Christian you gibbering piece of sh!t?

I'm a SINNER, my sins are CRIMSON, I have broken EVERY COMMANDMENT, I have KILLED, I have MURDERED (in the name of my nation), and MORE.

Yep I'm a SINNER ASSHOLE, EVERY day, including Sundays woody boy.

By MY SINS I am DOOMED, save for the MERCY and sacrifice for ME of the one true GOD.

But even I can HOPE for salvation through OUR Lord's sacrifice for us ALL.

I represent only myself.

BUT that does not change the TRUTH fool,

Being a Christian is all about knowing that Jesus IS the son of GOD.

If I was YOU little boy I'd be way more worried about my own sins and destination.

But, thank the Lord I'm not anybody but myself.

Don't like that little boy?

Here's 50 cents little boy, call somebody that cares.

Spoiled, stupid and ignorant, brain dead phuckwads, libTURD fools, tools, and idiots, are the real sickness; the messiah "king" obammy and his regime are only the symptoms.

Mad Dog  posted on  2012-03-06   15:26:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: calcon (#28)

Say a prayer to Allah for my heathen ass then and save me.

Unlike little punk posers such as you calfag, I do what I say I believe.

I pray for you, and all like you, every day calfag.

But I sure can't make the Lord do anything, all I can do is ask.

It is important to remember that NO is an answer also.

Maybe the Lord will give you time, maybe not?

That's actually kind of YOUR problem FOOL.

Although I am hopeful for your development into a sane adult.

Of course I'm a Cubbies fan too.

Spoiled, stupid and ignorant, brain dead phuckwads, libTURD fools, tools, and idiots, are the real sickness; the messiah "king" obammy and his regime are only the symptoms.

Mad Dog  posted on  2012-03-06   15:36:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: diva betsy ross (#31)

Jesus is alive. :)

Saint Paul said that without the living GOD, Christians would ALL be FOOLS, or worse.

JESUS IS.

Otherwise there really is NO such thing as "Christianity".

JESUS IS.

Spoiled, stupid and ignorant, brain dead phuckwads, libTURD fools, tools, and idiots, are the real sickness; the messiah "king" obammy and his regime are only the symptoms.

Mad Dog  posted on  2012-03-06   15:44:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: NewsJunky (#30)

Do you have any evidence that they always existed? Do you know it hasn't?

Your questions prompt me to ask if you believe something came from nothing? Also, is the universe ordered or chaotic?

redleghunter  posted on  2012-03-06   15:50:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: Mad Dog (#33)

I'm really sorry to see that your syphilis is destroying the few brain cells you have left.

calcon  posted on  2012-03-06   16:33:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: redleghunter (#35)

believe something came from nothing

No that is why I posited that there was no beginning.

NewsJunky  posted on  2012-03-06   16:39:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: Mad Dog (#34)

I have seen Jesus, MD. You are right. He is alive. Take heart. He really is everything He said He was. All of the promises of the Bible are for the faithful. Be good and keep faith. peace.

diva betsy ross  posted on  2012-03-06   16:42:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: redleghunter (#35)

Also, is the universe ordered or chaotic?

It is governed by the laws of physics so in one sense it is ordered. That doesn't mean that there must be something to supernatural that makes it ordered.

NewsJunky  posted on  2012-03-06   16:43:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: NewsJunky (#39)

It is governed

Governed implies a Governor.

redleghunter  posted on  2012-03-06   16:56:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: calcon (#36) (Edited)

I'm really sorry to see that your syphilis is destroying the few brain cells you have left.

You know calFAG I'd really laugh at you for being such a stoooopid azzwipe, but even though I find you to be personally repellant, I would never wish anyone, (even you), to go where you are going unless you wise up.

Maybe you'll get the time in which to do that, and maybe you won't? Many do not get that extra time.

Look around at your DEAD friends fool.

"You're NEVER too old to rock n roll and you're NEVER too young to DIE."

Fool.

Spoiled, stupid and ignorant, brain dead phuckwads, libTURD fools, tools, and idiots, are the real sickness; the messiah "king" obammy and his regime are only the symptoms.

Mad Dog  posted on  2012-03-06   18:55:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: Mad Dog (#41)

I believe assclown, it's just that I believe in Thor, the God of Thunder. He is the son of Odin the ruler of Asgard(heaven).

I read my Marvel comics each night to worship him.

My god is so way cooler then yours.

calcon  posted on  2012-03-06   19:05:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: diva betsy ross (#38)

.

Through the grace and mercy of OUR Lord, I know that.

I was an absolute fool in my youth.

I certainly do not deserve any mercy, the responsibility and actions were entirely mine.

But HE gave me time, AND the "instruction", and MERCY.

By doing so HE proves how good HE is, not how "worthy" I am.

The god haters cannot, will not ever understand that.

But there it is.

Spoiled, stupid and ignorant, brain dead phuckwads, libTURD fools, tools, and idiots, are the real sickness; the messiah "king" obammy and his regime are only the symptoms.

Mad Dog  posted on  2012-03-06   19:07:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: calcon (#42)

I believe assclown, it's just that I believe in Thor, the God of Thunder. He is the son of Odin the ruler of Asgard(heaven).

I read my Marvel comics each night to worship him.

My god is so way cooler then yours.

What cracks me up calFAG is how you seem to think that I care what you believe?

The great commission only requires the availability of salvation be presented to the heathens and fools.

I KNOW what the darkness holds FOOL.

You will whine and cry in dripping fear, alone.

What makes you think that matters to me FOOL?

(btw FOOL what kind of "god" cannot even repair a bridge?)

Spoiled, stupid and ignorant, brain dead phuckwads, libTURD fools, tools, and idiots, are the real sickness; the messiah "king" obammy and his regime are only the symptoms.

Mad Dog  posted on  2012-03-06   19:13:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: redleghunter (#40)

Governed implies a Governor.

No not necessarily..

NewsJunky  posted on  2012-03-06   19:19:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: NewsJunky (#45)

Governed implies a Governor. No not necessarily..

Yes it does. You said we are governed by physical laws. If that is the case who is the lawgiver? To say we have no lawgiver to these laws of nature, that would be saying all has come about impersonally by chance. Even if you argue things have "always been there without beginning" it had to happen either by an unmoved mover or by chance.

redleghunter  posted on  2012-03-06   19:25:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: Mad Dog (#43) (Edited)

Psalm 66:10 >>

New International Version (©1984) For you, O God, tested us; you refined us like silver. New Living Translation (©2007) You have tested us, O God; you have purified us like silver

Praise God, Md. :) We are all works in progress. We have to each keep striving to be more like Christ- everyday . Don't stop. I won't either.

The word says we will all be tested by fire. I know that is true. I came through some stuff too, MD. I feel you.

That is the good news, for others to get their head around- God wants to save us so much that He sent his only son- to do what we could not do on our own- FIND HIM and be loved and purified according to His will. That's cool. My will isn't so smart. ;) Gets things messed up most times.

And anyone can be saved, because our Lord is so very merciful and so good. No matter what foolishness they have been involved with.

Those who have been forgiven much - love much. :)

diva betsy ross  posted on  2012-03-06   19:46:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: Mad Dog (#32)

I think you're being a little hard on yourself.

Tag line: I wuz HACKED, cuz I SAY so!

(Boris Y) "I'd vote for obama"

(Mad Dog, Paul voter) IF RonniePAULIE runs as a repukelican't, (OR even as a demonRAT), against the messiah "king" obammy; I'd vote FOR him.

Wood_Chopper  posted on  2012-03-06   20:00:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: Wood_Chopper (#48) (Edited)

LOL!

Well done woody boy!

(When thought to be a fool it is best to remain silent so as not to prove it!)

Fish in a BARREL woody!

But good point, and I'd be happy to discuss it with you. If I only thought that you were an intellectually honest person.

Which I do NOT.

I rode my wheeler a few miles out the unplowed subdivision roads to plow a friend who lives in the back out from about 2 feet of days old powder.

Even with my plow full up I was still busting powder. I was like a tin can jumping to station with a wake and tail!

I spooked two moose about half way out and I was worried that they'd turn on back on me since this year's snow has them exhausted and grumpy, but I lucked out and they went off down the only side road.

As I got to my brother's I saw two more moose bedded down right in the road right in the cul d sac where the road ended. Less than a half block from my bro's.

I turned off, and plowed out his driveway and most of his cul d sac.

Then I tossed powder all of the way back home. It was overcast but not snowing.

The puppies hadn't sh!t in their enclosure and the hot grips worked rad.

Now we're gonna get er back to the high cube for storage.

So I'm drying out and making some coffee.

Alaskan spuds boiling, radio on.

Puppies snoring.

Company inbound.

What's YOUR life like azzhole?

I hope it's GREAT!

No sh!t.

Spoiled, stupid and ignorant, brain dead phuckwads, libTURD fools, tools, and idiots, are the real sickness; the messiah "king" obammy and his regime are only the symptoms.

Mad Dog  posted on  2012-03-06   20:27:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: redleghunter (#46)

To say we have no lawgiver to these laws of nature, that would be saying all has come about impersonally by chance.

Exactly..

NewsJunky  posted on  2012-03-06   20:28:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#51. To: Mad Dog (#44)

As if the confused postings of a degenerate bible thumper are of interest to me.

calcon  posted on  2012-03-06   20:39:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: Mad Dog (#49)

What's YOUR life like azzhole?

I hope it's GREAT!

No sh!t.

If it was any better, it would probably be illegal.

Tag line: I wuz HACKED, cuz I SAY so!

(Boris Y) "I'd vote for obama"

(Mad Dog, Paul voter) IF RonniePAULIE runs as a repukelican't, (OR even as a demonRAT), against the messiah "king" obammy; I'd vote FOR him.

Wood_Chopper  posted on  2012-03-06   20:41:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#53. To: NewsJunky, redleghunter (#50)

To say we have no lawgiver to these laws of nature, that would be saying all has come about impersonally by chance.

Exactly..

You do realize that one of the overarching basic LAWS of Nature, the second LAW of thermodynamics, is ENTROPY right?

You do realize that all living being live in at least 4 dimensions do you not? Ergo TIME is a river in which we ALL swim.

You do understand the use of the basic rules of classical rigorous LOGIC don't you?

You do realize by the same LAWS that you CLAIM to believe in that what you CLAIM to believe in is absurd?

If I leave a pile of rust for an infinite time, at no time will that rust become a Chevy.

Explain exactly how an EYE is generated out of chaos by pure chance. Don't just try to say it's obvious upon inspection PROVE it. You cannot.

It comes down to this;

there is ORDER everywhere in the known perceived universe.

If you go infinitely small or infinitely large, there is order.

This order is scalable and consistent.

Thus, you CLAIM ORDER comes naturally, and spontaneously, from infinite CHAOS given infinite TIME.

This cannot be, from the rules/LAWS of nature that you CLAIM to believe in.

Given the LAWS of nature that you CLAIM to believe in, ORDER cannot just "fall out of" CHAOS.

How you handle THAT OBJECTIVE TRUTH is your problem.

So called LOGIC would suggest a potter where a pot is found, let alone in a kilned pottery.

But, "It just happened" won't EVEN wash.

Spoiled, stupid and ignorant, brain dead phuckwads, libTURD fools, tools, and idiots, are the real sickness; the messiah "king" obammy and his regime are only the symptoms.

Mad Dog  posted on  2012-03-06   20:54:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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