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Title: Have seen effects of Keystone pipeline
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Yuma Sun
URL Source: http://www.yumasun.com/opinion/keystone-76953-yuma-canada.html
Published: Feb 23, 2012
Author: Anthony James Fornof
Post Date: 2012-02-25 23:05:01 by lucysmom
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Views: 46978
Comments: 95
I would like to respond to Charles Davison's Feb. 13 letter to the editor regarding the Keystone XL pipeline.
As a summer resident for some years now of Day County in South Dakota, I have observed firsthand some of the effects of the first Keystone pipeline now in operation.
I am taken aback by Davison's statement that “the dangers of a leaking pipeline into the aquifers is nothing.” It is certainly nothing to him if it is not his water or land being contaminated. Keystone has had 13 leaks on U.S. soil since going operational. One in Day County was not reported to any government agency at the time of the spill. Lucky for Day County residents, it was a somewhat small and contained spill. Canada's part of the Keystone pipeline has had 21 spills.
The jobs have been a fraction of what has been realized.
All of the Native American tribes in our area were opposed to Keystone and are currently opposed to Keystone XL.
Trans Canada (KSPL) got $2.85 million in tax credits and has paid $2.95 million in state property taxes. This is a half to a third of what they projected to pay.
When right-of-way contracts were being negotiated with landowners, they were given the options of taking Trans Canada's deal or were told the right of way would be taken through eminent domain — their property being condemned. This was told to me directly by one of Trans Canada's negotiating agents.
In Davison's letter, he advocates the government mandate the oil be sold domestically. Is he for more government control? Does he realize this oil is not “drilled” for but comes from “open pit” like operations in Canada? Our government does not tell Canada how or where to conduct the exploiting of its natural resources.
Keystone XL oil will be sent to Texas and refined mostly into diesel fuel to be shipped to South American and European markets. Keystone XL will, by most accounts, cause our domestic fuel prices to rise.
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Keystone XL will, by most accounts, cause our domestic fuel prices to rise.
Oh, great. I'll have to buy a bicycle.
#3. To: lucysmom (#1)
You need to sell your car and start walking.
#4. To: A K A Stone, Fred Mertz (#3)
You need to sell your car and start walking.
Why can't I have a bicycle like Fred?
Anyone claiming to be an expert is selling something. I brandish my ignorance like a crucifix at vampires. Aaron Bady
#5. To: lucysmom, *Liberal Rehab Staff* (#0)
be shipped to South American and European markets. Keystone XL will, by most accounts, cause our domestic fuel prices to rise.
By what mysterious mechanism does an causes an increase in the global oil supply, cause prices to rise?
"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul
Obama's watch stopped on 24 May 2008, but he's been too busy smoking crack to notice.
#6. To: A K A Stone (#3)
You need to sell your car and start walking.
Nah... Never happen.
If nothing else, she'll buy an electric car, in the belief that the electrical energy to charge it is magically created in the plug.
When I look at the stupidity she posts, I feel most sorry for her daughter. To have such a stupid bitch for a mom, has to be a real bummer.
To: mcToejam, rat-boy, drippy, Alzheimer Fred, whitesands, t-bird, loonymom/ming, e-type jackoff, goober56, wreck, cal-CON, rabid dog, dummy DwarF, biff, harrowup the communist, and meguro. You're on the "a waste of human flesh" list. Piss off.
#7. To: lucysmom (#0)
Have seen effects of Keystone pipeline
Want to see the effects of leftard loonytoon eco-moonbats domestic energy policies? Check out the prices at the gas stations, look at the prices of food and everything else skyrocketing because of shipping costs. Look at more layoffs by US industry because it can't make product at a competitive price when their energy bills keep going up higher and higher.
And all this silly shit it unnecessary, it's economic suicide committed for absolutely no logical reason.
#8. To: lucysmom (#4)
You need to sell your car and start walking.Why can't I have a bicycle like Fred?
Because it takes fuel to make a bicycle.
#9. To: A K A Stone, lucysmom, Fred Mertz (#8)
You need to sell your car and start walking. Why can't I have a bicycle like Fred?Because it takes fuel to make a bicycle.
Buy a poopmobile instead the fuel is free..... especially in the most heavily populated areas!!!
www.geekosystem.com/a-car-that-runs-on-poop/
"The trouble with our liberal friends are not that they're ignorant: It's just that they know so much that isn't so."
#10. To: hondo68 (#5)
By what mysterious mechanism does an causes an increase in the global oil supply, cause prices to rise?
That's a good question. I found an article that answers your question and posted it; below is a link.
libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=28209
Anyone claiming to be an expert is selling something. I brandish my ignorance like a crucifix at vampires. Aaron Bady
#11. To: Capitalist Eric (#6)
If nothing else, she'll buy an electric car, in the belief that the electrical energy to charge it is magically created in the plug.
Oh Eric, you're such a silly boy.
When I look at the stupidity she posts, I feel most sorry for her daughter. To have such a stupid bitch for a mom, has to be a real bummer.
A friend of my mother's had a husband that talked like you. Their son acted on the values expressed by his dad and as a result was arrested and spent some time in jail as a teenager. For the dad, his chickens came home to roost when HE was investigated and his job, that required a security clearance, was put at risk.
It took the father a long time to grasp the fact that the language he used and values he expressed had influenced his son - word to the wise.
Anyone claiming to be an expert is selling something. I brandish my ignorance like a crucifix at vampires. Aaron Bady
#12. To: Happy Quanzaa (#7)
Want to see the effects of leftard loonytoon eco-moonbats domestic energy policies? Check out the prices at the gas stations, look at the prices of...yada, yada, yada.
Ok, 'spane how supply is up, demand is down and prices are rising.
Anyone claiming to be an expert is selling something. I brandish my ignorance like a crucifix at vampires. Aaron Bady
#13. To: lucysmom (#12)
Ok, 'spane how supply is up, demand is down and prices are rising.
Environmental over regulation.
#14. To: CZ82 (#9)
Buy a poopmobile instead the fuel is free..... especially in the most heavily populated areas!!!
Locally we have a beautiful park, complete with hiking trails, a golf course, a lake for sailing, built on the site of a dump. The city funded site clean-up and construction by converting methane into electricity (see Eric, I do to know electricity isn't made at the plug) and selling it.
Anyone claiming to be an expert is selling something. I brandish my ignorance like a crucifix at vampires. Aaron Bady
#15. To: A K A Stone (#13)
Environmental over regulation.
I know that's a Republican talking point - I'm wondering if you really know what that means.
Anyone claiming to be an expert is selling something. I brandish my ignorance like a crucifix at vampires. Aaron Bady
#16. To: lucysmom (#15)
I know that's a Republican talking point - I'm wondering if you really know what that means.
And so many regulations are at the behest of businesses trying to corner the various markets. Because the dirty little secret is: free marketeers really do hate competition.
Almost every country in the Middle East is awash in oil, and we have to side with the one that has nothing but joos. Goddamn, that was good thinkin'. Esso posted on 2012-01-13 7:37:56 ET
#17. To: mininggold (#16)
And so many regulations are at the behest of businesses trying to corner the various markets. Because the dirty little secret is: free marketeers really do hate competition.
No kidding! Just like they justify big financial rewards because they are "the risk takers" while seeking guarantees, and tax breaks because they are risk adverse. They demand safety and comfort to preform their market magic which may, or may not come to pass. When they fail to deliver on the promise, it's not their fault, it's the government's.
"Merchants have no country. The mere spot they stand on does not constitute so strong an attachment as that from which they draw their gains." Thomas Jefferson
Anyone claiming to be an expert is selling something. I brandish my ignorance like a crucifix at vampires. Aaron Bady
#18. To: lucysmom (#15)
I know that's a Republican talking point - I'm wondering if you really know what that means.
It means sometimes they go overboard on the hoops they make a company go through in order to do business in California.
#19. To: A K A Stone (#18)
It means sometimes they go overboard on the hoops they make a company go through in order to do business in California.
How does California's environmental regulations impact the Keystone XL pipeline?
Anyone claiming to be an expert is selling something. I brandish my ignorance like a crucifix at vampires. Aaron Bady
#20. To: lucysmom (#19)
How does California's environmental regulations impact the Keystone XL pipeline?
We are talking about this quote from you.
"Ok, 'spane how supply is up, demand is down and prices are rising."
#21. To: A K A Stone (#20)
"Ok, 'spane how supply is up, demand is down and prices are rising."
Yeah, what has that got to do with gas prices outside California?
Anyone claiming to be an expert is selling something. I brandish my ignorance like a crucifix at vampires. Aaron Bady
#22. To: A K A Stone (#20) (Edited)
We are talking about this quote from you."Ok, 'spane how supply is up, demand is down and prices are rising."
California gets most of it's oil from SA and other foreign sources. It tends to be more expensive and the lobbyist for users and businesses in the Midwest that depend on cheaper oil prices to stay competitive, want to keep it that way.
Almost every country in the Middle East is awash in oil, and we have to side with the one that has nothing but joos. Goddamn, that was good thinkin'. Esso posted on 2012-01-13 7:37:56 ET
#23. To: lucysmom (#21)
Yeah, what has that got to do with gas prices outside California?
Gas prices are higher in California. I can get a gallon for 3.57 today, maybe cheaper. What about California?
#24. To: A K A Stone (#23)
Gas prices are higher in California. I can get a gallon for 3.57 today, maybe cheaper. What about California?
I just told you we subsidize the cheaper energy in the Midwest by buying our supply from more expensive sources. You should be grateful.
Almost every country in the Middle East is awash in oil, and we have to side with the one that has nothing but joos. Goddamn, that was good thinkin'. Esso posted on 2012-01-13 7:37:56 ET
#25. To: lucysmom (#21)
I just told you we subsidize the cheaper energy in the Midwest by buying our supply from more expensive sources. You should be grateful.
Why do you think I should be grateful? Why did you say that?
#26. To: A K A Stone, lucysmom (#25)
Why do you think I should be grateful? Why did you say that?
Why did you post that to Lucy? Don't you understand English?
Do you really want Californians competing with you for oil? I thought you already knew the principles of THE FREE MARKET.
Almost every country in the Middle East is awash in oil, and we have to side with the one that has nothing but joos. Goddamn, that was good thinkin'. Esso posted on 2012-01-13 7:37:56 ET
#27. To: mininggold (#26)
Why did you post that to Lucy? Don't you understand English?
Because I was hoping you would slip up so I would know you are both the same person.
#28. To: A K A Stone, lucysmom (#27)
Because I was hoping you would slip up so I would know you are both the same person.
Why do you have to be so dishonest? We are very different people who just happen to have some issues in common.
Almost every country in the Middle East is awash in oil, and we have to side with the one that has nothing but joos. Goddamn, that was good thinkin'. Esso posted on 2012-01-13 7:37:56 ET
#29. To: mininggold (#28)
Why do you have to be so dishonest? We are very different people who just happen to have some issues in common.
I wasn't being dishonest. I told you exactly why.
You two just pop up within minutes of each other regluarly. Like 9am then 9:02. Then later at night like 10:59 then 11:00. Not conclusive though. I'll try again in a few months to get you to slip up again.
#30. To: A K A Stone (#29)
I wasn't being dishonest. I told you exactly why.You two just pop up within minutes of each other regluarly. Like 9am then 9:02. Then later at night like 10:59 then 11:00. Not conclusive though. I'll try again in a few months to get you to slip up again.
That was after you already tried to deceive.
We are both on PST that's why.
Almost every country in the Middle East is awash in oil, and we have to side with the one that has nothing but joos. Goddamn, that was good thinkin'. Esso posted on 2012-01-13 7:37:56 ET
#31. To: A K A Stone (#29)
You two just pop up within minutes of each other regluarly. Like 9am then 9:02. Then later at night like 10:59 then 11:00. Not conclusive though. I'll try again in a few months to get you to slip up again.
You didn't think that up all by yourself, you got it from Eric - you should know better.
Anyone claiming to be an expert is selling something. I brandish my ignorance like a crucifix at vampires. Aaron Bady
#32. To: mininggold, A K A Stone (#30)
Then later at night like 10:59 then 11:00.
By that time, I'm in bed asleep.
Anyone claiming to be an expert is selling something. I brandish my ignorance like a crucifix at vampires. Aaron Bady
#33. To: mininggold (#28)
We are very different people who just happen to have some issues in common.
Back to the issue of California's environmental regulations, do you remember what the bay area air quality was like in the 60s and 70s?
Anyone claiming to be an expert is selling something. I brandish my ignorance like a crucifix at vampires. Aaron Bady
#34. To: A K A Stone (#23)
"Gas prices are higher in California. I can get a gallon for 3.57 today, maybe cheaper. What about California?"
There are places here in Oregon with a similar price. And here it's illegal to pump your own gas. I haven't pumped my own gasoline in years, they have to hire attendants here to do that.
It should be like that everywhere as it creates good, entry level jobs. And it hasn't led to higher gas prices here.
#35. To: lucysmom (#33)
"Back to the issue of California's environmental regulations, do you remember what the bay area air quality was like in the 60s and 70s?"
I do. It was extraordinarily horrible. Many people in other parts of the country have problems comprehending the shear size of the fleet of privately owned cars in California. The current regulations passed because it was a matter of survival to do so.
#36. To: Ferret Mike (#34)
There are places here in Oregon with a similar price. And here it's illegal to pump your own gas.
There must be a whole bunch of morons there for a law like that.
#37. To: Ferret Mike (#34)
It should be like that everywhere as it creates good, entry level jobs. And it hasn't led to higher gas prices here.
Maybe Kroger should have to hire someone to walk you through the store and put your groceries in the cart huh?
#38. To: lucysmom (#33)
Back to the issue of California's environmental regulations, do you remember what the bay area air quality was like in the 60s and 70s?
I remember the smog when the population wasn't half what it is now and I lived in the East Bay where it wasn't considered that bad. We did hold horse shows in Rodeo on weekends and by three o'clock in the afternoon everyone complained of headaches from the Union 76 pollution.
I also remember going down the Santa Ana Freeway in the late seventies and not being able to see Santa Ana or even the car in front.
Almost every country in the Middle East is awash in oil, and we have to side with the one that has nothing but joos. Goddamn, that was good thinkin'. Esso posted on 2012-01-13 7:37:56 ET
#39. To: A K A Stone (#36)
It's the way people here want it. They have tried to make self serve legal time to time, but the people always vote such measures down.
The same with a sales tax, we have never had one. They have never been able to pass a measure making one. Again, it's the preference of the people in this state.
#40. To: A K A Stone (#37)
Maybe Kroger should have to hire someone to walk you through the store and put your groceries in the cart huh?
Until the early seventies having attendants pump your gas was pretty much the standard across the country.
Almost every country in the Middle East is awash in oil, and we have to side with the one that has nothing but joos. Goddamn, that was good thinkin'. Esso posted on 2012-01-13 7:37:56 ET
#41. To: Ferret Mike (#39)
It's the way people here want it. They have tried to make self serve legal time to time, but the people always vote such measures down.
Maybe people in your state are just to stupid to pump it themselves. Or are they lazy and stuck up?
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