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Opinions/Editorials Title: Have seen effects of Keystone pipeline I would like to respond to Charles Davison's Feb. 13 letter to the editor regarding the Keystone XL pipeline. As a summer resident for some years now of Day County in South Dakota, I have observed firsthand some of the effects of the first Keystone pipeline now in operation. I am taken aback by Davison's statement that “the dangers of a leaking pipeline into the aquifers is nothing.” It is certainly nothing to him if it is not his water or land being contaminated. Keystone has had 13 leaks on U.S. soil since going operational. One in Day County was not reported to any government agency at the time of the spill. Lucky for Day County residents, it was a somewhat small and contained spill. Canada's part of the Keystone pipeline has had 21 spills. The jobs have been a fraction of what has been realized. All of the Native American tribes in our area were opposed to Keystone and are currently opposed to Keystone XL. Trans Canada (KSPL) got $2.85 million in tax credits and has paid $2.95 million in state property taxes. This is a half to a third of what they projected to pay. When right-of-way contracts were being negotiated with landowners, they were given the options of taking Trans Canada's deal or were told the right of way would be taken through eminent domain — their property being condemned. This was told to me directly by one of Trans Canada's negotiating agents. In Davison's letter, he advocates the government mandate the oil be sold domestically. Is he for more government control? Does he realize this oil is not “drilled” for but comes from “open pit” like operations in Canada? Our government does not tell Canada how or where to conduct the exploiting of its natural resources. Keystone XL oil will be sent to Texas and refined mostly into diesel fuel to be shipped to South American and European markets. Keystone XL will, by most accounts, cause our domestic fuel prices to rise. Post Comment Private Reply Ignore Thread Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest Begin Trace Mode for Comment # 76. Have seen effects of Keystone pipeline Want to see the effects of leftard loonytoon eco-moonbats domestic energy policies? Check out the prices at the gas stations, look at the prices of food and everything else skyrocketing because of shipping costs. Look at more layoffs by US industry because it can't make product at a competitive price when their energy bills keep going up higher and higher. And all this silly shit it unnecessary, it's economic suicide committed for absolutely no logical reason.
#12. To: Happy Quanzaa (#7) Want to see the effects of leftard loonytoon eco-moonbats domestic energy policies? Check out the prices at the gas stations, look at the prices of...yada, yada, yada. Ok, 'spane how supply is up, demand is down and prices are rising.
#13. To: lucysmom (#12) Ok, 'spane how supply is up, demand is down and prices are rising. Environmental over regulation.
#15. To: A K A Stone (#13) Environmental over regulation. I know that's a Republican talking point - I'm wondering if you really know what that means.
#18. To: lucysmom (#15) I know that's a Republican talking point - I'm wondering if you really know what that means. It means sometimes they go overboard on the hoops they make a company go through in order to do business in California.
#19. To: A K A Stone (#18) It means sometimes they go overboard on the hoops they make a company go through in order to do business in California. How does California's environmental regulations impact the Keystone XL pipeline?
#20. To: lucysmom (#19) How does California's environmental regulations impact the Keystone XL pipeline? We are talking about this quote from you. "Ok, 'spane how supply is up, demand is down and prices are rising."
#21. To: A K A Stone (#20) "Ok, 'spane how supply is up, demand is down and prices are rising." Yeah, what has that got to do with gas prices outside California?
#23. To: lucysmom (#21) Yeah, what has that got to do with gas prices outside California? Gas prices are higher in California. I can get a gallon for 3.57 today, maybe cheaper. What about California?
#34. To: A K A Stone (#23) "Gas prices are higher in California. I can get a gallon for 3.57 today, maybe cheaper. What about California?" There are places here in Oregon with a similar price. And here it's illegal to pump your own gas. I haven't pumped my own gasoline in years, they have to hire attendants here to do that. It should be like that everywhere as it creates good, entry level jobs. And it hasn't led to higher gas prices here.
#36. To: Ferret Mike (#34) There are places here in Oregon with a similar price. And here it's illegal to pump your own gas. There must be a whole bunch of morons there for a law like that.
#39. To: A K A Stone (#36) It's the way people here want it. They have tried to make self serve legal time to time, but the people always vote such measures down. The same with a sales tax, we have never had one. They have never been able to pass a measure making one. Again, it's the preference of the people in this state.
#41. To: Ferret Mike (#39) It's the way people here want it. They have tried to make self serve legal time to time, but the people always vote such measures down. Maybe people in your state are just to stupid to pump it themselves. Or are they lazy and stuck up?
#43. To: A K A Stone (#41) Maybe people in your state are just to stupid to pump it themselves. Or are they lazy and stuck up? I thought you guys just loved those good old days. Was your grandfather lazy and stuck up too?
#46. To: mininggold (#43) I thought you guys just loved those good old days. Was your grandfather lazy and stuck up too? It is about freedom baby. Freedom to choose. A law that says you can't pump your own gas is undue interference in a private business.
#49. To: A K A Stone (#46) It is about freedom baby. Freedom to choose. Yep, the people of Oregon got to choose and they chose no self serve. No one makes anyone live in Oregon.
#54. To: mininggold (#49) Yep, the people of Oregon got to choose and they chose no self serve. Freedom doesn't mean other assholes voting to take your freedom away. That isn't free at all. Are you really that dumb?
#59. To: A K A Stone (#54) (Edited) Freedom doesn't mean other assholes voting to take your freedom away. Since no one forces anyone to live in Oregon, the only alternative is to mount a campaign to have the laws changed if one wants to stay there inspite of such heinous restrictions on their freedoms.
#66. To: mininggold (#59) ...inspite of such heinous restrictions on their freedoms. I'm willing to sacrifice the freedom to pump my own gas - guess that's what makes me a libtard.
#69. To: lucysmom (#66) I'm willing to sacrifice the freedom to pump my own gas - guess that's what makes me a libtard. My grandmother said she hated that freedom after almost every gas station turned self serve.
#71. To: mininggold (#69) My grandmother said she hated that freedom after almost every gas station turned self serve. Particularly in the rain or on a cold morning, I bet.
#73. To: lucysmom (#71) (Edited) Last time I drive to California, I let my nephew do the fuel pumping. I'm so unused to doing that chore I am not sure of all the nuances to it anymore. I'd probably leave the gas cap on the roof of the car anyway and lose it when I drive off. You know how dumb us Oregonians are . ;-D
#76. To: Ferret Mike (#73) Last time I drive to California, I let my nephew do the fuel pumping. I'm so unused to doing that chore I am not sure of all the nuances to it anymore. One tip. After you have finished pumping and the pump is turned off, there is still some gas in the hose that you can tap.
Replies to Comment # 76. "One tip. After you have finished pumping and the pump is turned off, there is still some gas in the hose that you can tap." I use more gas in the Winter. Lately I buy 10-20 dollars worth a week. I use a Burley trailer to get groceries home and do what shopping I can bu bicycle, but I need the car for a couple of things during the week when I do volunteer work for older folks. In the summer I do use the Ford Windstar to take m booth and goods down to the Saturday Market. I sell hand craft items there. Thanks for the tip. I'm sure I'll use it sometime the next time I.m out of state. I went to Connecticut last summer, but I wound up flying, and relatives there did most the driving when I was there. It was harder to use my bicycle on the road system back there. It was good to get back to Eugene and it's top quality bicycle path and route system. I don't like living anywhere I can't ride a bicycle to do what I need to do.
#80. To: mininggold (#76) One tip. After you have finished pumping and the pump is turned off, there is still some gas in the hose that you can tap. I've noticed at some gas stations a trickle will continue to come out even when you reach your limit. Not just the stuff left in the hose.
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