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Title: Have seen effects of Keystone pipeline
Source: Yuma Sun
URL Source: http://www.yumasun.com/opinion/keystone-76953-yuma-canada.html
Published: Feb 23, 2012
Author: Anthony James Fornof
Post Date: 2012-02-25 23:05:01 by lucysmom
Keywords: None
Views: 45842
Comments: 95

I would like to respond to Charles Davison's Feb. 13 letter to the editor regarding the Keystone XL pipeline.

As a summer resident for some years now of Day County in South Dakota, I have observed firsthand some of the effects of the first Keystone pipeline now in operation.

I am taken aback by Davison's statement that “the dangers of a leaking pipeline into the aquifers is nothing.” It is certainly nothing to him if it is not his water or land being contaminated. Keystone has had 13 leaks on U.S. soil since going operational. One in Day County was not reported to any government agency at the time of the spill. Lucky for Day County residents, it was a somewhat small and contained spill. Canada's part of the Keystone pipeline has had 21 spills.

The jobs have been a fraction of what has been realized.

All of the Native American tribes in our area were opposed to Keystone and are currently opposed to Keystone XL.

Trans Canada (KSPL) got $2.85 million in tax credits and has paid $2.95 million in state property taxes. This is a half to a third of what they projected to pay.

When right-of-way contracts were being negotiated with landowners, they were given the options of taking Trans Canada's deal or were told the right of way would be taken through eminent domain — their property being condemned. This was told to me directly by one of Trans Canada's negotiating agents.

In Davison's letter, he advocates the government mandate the oil be sold domestically. Is he for more government control? Does he realize this oil is not “drilled” for but comes from “open pit” like operations in Canada? Our government does not tell Canada how or where to conduct the exploiting of its natural resources.

Keystone XL oil will be sent to Texas and refined mostly into diesel fuel to be shipped to South American and European markets. Keystone XL will, by most accounts, cause our domestic fuel prices to rise.

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#7. To: lucysmom (#0)

Have seen effects of Keystone pipeline

Want to see the effects of leftard loonytoon eco-moonbats domestic energy policies? Check out the prices at the gas stations, look at the prices of food and everything else skyrocketing because of shipping costs. Look at more layoffs by US industry because it can't make product at a competitive price when their energy bills keep going up higher and higher.

And all this silly shit it unnecessary, it's economic suicide committed for absolutely no logical reason.

Happy Quanzaa  posted on  2012-02-26   5:38:20 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Happy Quanzaa (#7)

Want to see the effects of leftard loonytoon eco-moonbats domestic energy policies? Check out the prices at the gas stations, look at the prices of...yada, yada, yada.

Ok, 'spane how supply is up, demand is down and prices are rising.

lucysmom  posted on  2012-02-26   10:32:25 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: lucysmom (#12)

Ok, 'spane how supply is up, demand is down and prices are rising.

Environmental over regulation.

A K A Stone  posted on  2012-02-26   10:40:32 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: A K A Stone (#13)

Environmental over regulation.

I know that's a Republican talking point - I'm wondering if you really know what that means.

lucysmom  posted on  2012-02-26   11:00:51 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: lucysmom (#15)

I know that's a Republican talking point - I'm wondering if you really know what that means.

It means sometimes they go overboard on the hoops they make a company go through in order to do business in California.

A K A Stone  posted on  2012-02-26   12:14:39 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: A K A Stone (#18)

It means sometimes they go overboard on the hoops they make a company go through in order to do business in California.

How does California's environmental regulations impact the Keystone XL pipeline?

lucysmom  posted on  2012-02-26   12:30:40 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: lucysmom (#19)

How does California's environmental regulations impact the Keystone XL pipeline?

We are talking about this quote from you.

"Ok, 'spane how supply is up, demand is down and prices are rising."

A K A Stone  posted on  2012-02-26   12:35:42 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: A K A Stone (#20)

"Ok, 'spane how supply is up, demand is down and prices are rising."

Yeah, what has that got to do with gas prices outside California?

lucysmom  posted on  2012-02-26   12:38:49 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: lucysmom (#21)

Yeah, what has that got to do with gas prices outside California?

Gas prices are higher in California. I can get a gallon for 3.57 today, maybe cheaper. What about California?

A K A Stone  posted on  2012-02-26   12:39:49 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: A K A Stone (#23)

"Gas prices are higher in California. I can get a gallon for 3.57 today, maybe cheaper. What about California?"

There are places here in Oregon with a similar price. And here it's illegal to pump your own gas. I haven't pumped my own gasoline in years, they have to hire attendants here to do that.

It should be like that everywhere as it creates good, entry level jobs. And it hasn't led to higher gas prices here.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2012-02-26   13:25:24 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: Ferret Mike (#34)

It should be like that everywhere as it creates good, entry level jobs. And it hasn't led to higher gas prices here.

Maybe Kroger should have to hire someone to walk you through the store and put your groceries in the cart huh?

A K A Stone  posted on  2012-02-26   13:29:42 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: A K A Stone (#37)

"Maybe Kroger should have to hire someone to walk you through the store and put your groceries in the cart huh?"

I don't know if there is a 'Kroger' here. I go to the Red Apple or Fred Meyers.

Freddys has self serve cashier stations, but I always use a cashier, again, most people here do. The self serve check out points are not very popular here and they have trouble getting people to use them.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2012-02-26   13:37:40 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: Ferret Mike (#44)

Freddys has self serve cashier stations, but I always use a cashier, again, most people here do. The self serve check out points are not very popular here and they have trouble getting people to use them.

We have a grocery chain here with all self serve cashiers. The kids love it as they get to buy booze without being carded.

mininggold  posted on  2012-02-26   13:42:12 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#51. To: mininggold (#48)

"We have a grocery chain here with all self serve cashiers. The kids love it as they get to buy booze without being carded."

There is always unintended consequences to such back gimmicks. I was a cashier in 7 Elevens as a youth. It's one of the ways I afforded to go to college, I never took out loans.

I was a stickler for I.D and very good at catching shoplifters. The las store I worked at is by the University of Oregon Campus when the parents of the guy who runs it now with his boyfriend ran it. They still own it but are retired.

The frat boys and sorority girls called me 'Little Hitler' because stealing was a game to them and I was good at spoiling it. I wouldn't want a job like that these days though.

The 7 Eleven on Blair Blvd near my place is a zoo. And I never liked selling booze or cigarettes anyway. I'm personally not into either.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2012-02-26   13:51:53 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#57. To: Ferret Mike, mininggold (#51)

The kids love it as they get to buy booze without being carded."

I don't believe that. Because I'm sure they use the same systems there as here. It takes a cashier to ring up alcohol. Even if you are self scanning.

And it isn't a gimmick Mike.

A K A Stone  posted on  2012-02-26   13:59:17 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#70. To: A K A Stone (#57)

I don't believe that. Because I'm sure they use the same systems there as here. It takes a cashier to ring up alcohol. Even if you are self scanning.

Different states do alcohol sales differently. California is very lax; you can buy hard liquor at grocery stores.

In Oregon, one has to go to a state owned store to buy hard booze. The ID requirement and other ways to stop kids from buying booze have ingenious workarounds to them the kids are incredibly good at finding.

I believe what she says. It's easy for people of any age to get alcohol in California. Not so much here in Oregon though. Liquor is very tightly regulated.

The population size determines how many state 'Green Front' stores exist in any given community here. And the state sends people out to test the security protocols for beer and wine sales.

If you sell to an undercover operative working for OLCC agents, you get a huge fine and lose your beer and wine selling license very easily here.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2012-02-26   14:20:10 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#74. To: Ferret Mike (#70)

Different states do alcohol sales differently. California is very lax; you can buy hard liquor at grocery stores.

You can buy hard liquor and groceries at some gas stations. Safeway sells gas at some locations.

mininggold  posted on  2012-02-26 14:29:50 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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