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Title: What Version of the Christian Holy Bible Do You read?
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Published: Feb 18, 2012
Author: buckeroo
Post Date: 2012-02-18 17:52:56 by buckeroo
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Assuming you have a Christian Holy Bible of one flavor or another, what version do you read? As several examples, here are several variations: the New King James Version, New Living Translation, New International Version, New Revised Standard Version and so forth. Post your comment on this thread.
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#192. To: Ferret Mike (#191)
What do you base that on shit apple?
And you are baiting because....? I just love how you show your spiritual side by rhetorically shaking your penis in my general direction. Hey, it's no problem to me if you aklways start out by giving away your power. ;-D It shows how black a religious nature you really have.
Can you answer the question shit apple?
Mike- I am in the process of observing Lent, and this coming weekend I am going to the mountains- so I may not be on for awhile, but I wanted to answer this to you. I beleive that you are a spiritual person. Most people into white magic are spiritual beings looking for something that makes sense to their spirit. It is my belief and understanding and experience that the Roman Catholic church does more to harm a person's spirit than it does to free that beautiful spirit. I try not to say negative things about people's religion, BUT- the Roman catholic church is a sore point for me. If you want to talk about that POV , at a latter date- I am glad to. But please- please - please understand this- Jesus loves women. He loves women so much that He showed himself to a woman, first- when He rose. God loves women. Your spirit is not out of the realm with what Jesus was talking about, and with what resonates with your heart. Just food for thought, so don't get upset. and I didn't want you to think I just cruised off- but this is an important and introspective time for me in my faith. I don't want to be online too much in the next few weeks- and miss something. Best wishes. :) And talk soon?
best wishes to you to, and by all means help talk some sense into my immature and anger oriented friend here fixated on shit covered apple if you would. If you could make him less arrogant and revengeful, we all would be grateful ;-D I'm sure you would agree, his sense of religion does no one any good at all.
Hey Mike. Go to HELL! You helped usher in Obama.
So shit apple how do you know there is a goddess? What do you base that on? An acid trip?
We will work with each other, we will work side by side, And they'll know we are Christians by our love, By our love, Anyone claiming to be an expert is selling something. I brandish my ignorance like a crucifix at vampires. Aaron Bady
In the sense of blindly following the evil intentions or actions of a government, the answer is no (e.g. abortion). In the sense of being law abiding, paying taxes etc. yes. That is why it is important to look at the ENTIRE revelation of the Bible for "what do we do" when government is clearly forcing evil on its citizenry. We know that Christians were persecuted and killed for being Christians under Rome. Rome would say "do not assemble" so the body of believers went underground. They did not form a revolution and fight Rome. When the emperor said bow down and worship me, Christians did not obey, they were executed. I think the best OT example we have is in Daniel. I am sure you know well the account of the faithful three Shadrach, Meshach, and Abed-Nego. They were "outed" for not bowing to the image of the king. This was their response from Daniel chapter 3: 14 Nebuchadnezzar spoke, saying to them, "Is it true, Shadrach, Meshach, and Abed-Nego, that you do not serve my gods or worship the gold image which I have set up? 15 Now if you are ready at the time you hear the sound of the horn, flute, harp, lyre, and psaltery, in symphony with all kinds of music, and you fall down and worship the image which I have made, good! But if you do not worship, you shall be cast immediately into the midst of a burning fiery furnace. And who is the god who will deliver you from my hands?" 16 Shadrach, Meshach, and Abed-Nego answered and said to the king, "O Nebuchadnezzar, we have no need to answer you in this matter. 17 If that is the case, our God whom we serve is able to deliver us from the burning fiery furnace, and He will deliver us from your hand, O king. 18 But if not, let it be known to you, O king, that we do not serve your gods, nor will we worship the gold image which you have set up."(NKJV) So to the point of bowing to an image of gold, going against what we know from the Word of God is wrong, we are not to obey. When it comes to tax time, yep give Caesar his due. The Blessings of being an American is our Constitution. Our Constitution points to our Declaration of Independence (which is the philosophical foundation of our nation), which points to the Reformation and the Reformation points to the Bible.
And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held: 10And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, do you not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth? 11And white robes were given to every one of them; and it was said to them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellow servants also and their brothers, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled. 12And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, see, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood; 13And the stars of heaven fell to the earth, even as a fig tree casts her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind. 14And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places. 15And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every slave, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains; 16And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sits on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb: 17For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?
Firstly, that is total nonsense. John the Baptist and Jesus were 10 years old at most when Judas the Zealot lead his rebellion against Rome in 6 AD. Secondly, the Zealot cause of rebellion was in total conflict with Christ's non-violent and submission to ruling authorities (Rome) preaching. Sorry, but your theory is full of holes
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Please show a specific citation where "Jesus the Nazarene" declared himself to be a GOD. The real issue, was Jesus was despised (being from Nazareth) as the Jewish Zealots in Galilee often resided there. As you know, Jesus was taken to Nazareth after being brought back from Egypt to avoid the wrath of Herod. John 8:58, 59 I AM: Jesus was not just claiming to have lived before Abraham; He was claiming eternal existence. He was claiming to be God Himself (see Ex.3:14). This time the Jewish leaders understood that Jesus was claiming to be God, so they took up stones to stone Him for blasphemy (see Lev. 24:16). "I AM" (Gk. egM eimi) (6:35; 8:58; 10:7, 14; 15:1; 18:5) Strong’s #1473; 1510: This expression denotes “self-identity in self-sufficiency.” In one breath, Jesus asserted His eternal preexistence and His absolute deity. Abraham, as with all mortals, came into existence at one point in time. The Son of God, unlike all mortals, never has a beginning. He is eternal; and He is God. This is evident in Jesus’ use of the words “I AM” for Himself. This statement recalls the Septuagint (the Greek Old Testament) translation of Ex. 3:6, 14, in which God unveiled His identity as the “I AM WHO I AM.” Thus, Jesus was claiming to be the ever-existing, self-existent God. BTW, Herod The Great was dead when Joseph and Mary returned with Jesus from Egypt to Nazareth. He was still an infant.
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And, what did you think about the historical perspective from Flavius Josephus that was posted on #165? Isn't it remarckable that the founder of the Zealots was also from Galilee? That they formed for active and hostile assault against the Romans and often incited riotous rebellion amongst the Jews, the Pharisees and Sadducee? Jesus of Nazareth was guilty of association with the Zealots. And he spoke of both the Pharisees and Sadducees with utter contempt. And John Brown was from Kansas, and i also deplore slavery, but our methods and beliefs are very different. You are barking up the wrong tree.
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Sounds like you should be very afraid.
Almost every country in the Middle East is awash in oil, and we have to side with the one that has nothing but joos. Goddamn, that was good thinkin'. Esso posted on 2012-01-13 7:37:56 ET
Why would you think childish and intemperate insults would bother me? You are the one looking shallow and immature here; not me. Mentioning drug use is no bother either, as I do no drug; not even alcohol, nor cigs either. You are very afraid of the first Amendment and the right for people to be a religion other than your own. You also do not believe in voting, or you wouldn't try to treat people voting for two opposing candidates as being in commission of a criminal act. You give away your power at every post you make, and all you do here is have me feeling sorry for you. I wish you luck in learning how to heal what ails you.
Prior to the time of Jesus the books that make up the O.T. Had been complete for many years. These books were on scrolls. Binding pages together as a codex began shortly after the end of the first century.
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The Muslim faith is NOT based on the ten commandments. Muslims claim their connection to Abraham by Ishmael, and the Jews do through Isaac. The latter is without a doubt the son of promise.
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I understand as late as last year you were denying the existence of Jesus similiar to G A Wells" here is what a secular humanist had to say about that nonsense, and it will give you an idea go w far out y our ideas float. G.A.Wells - retired German teacher, amateur theologian and the hyper-skeptics' demigod. Wells is not very well known outside of the skeptical community. It is the curious nature of his ideas which draws attention. There have been Bible scholars who have denied Jesus said the things attributed to him. Few, however, have joined Wells in denying Jesus very existence. Randel Helms, speaking to an audience of secular humanists at a CODESH "Institute for Inquiry" on "A Secular Humanist Approach to the Gospels," said sarcastically, "I think that you can deal with Well's notion that Christianity could have started without a historical Jesus [as follows]: Sure Christianity could have started without a historical Jesus. And monkeys could fly out of my butt."
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Stick around, pal. I shall be addressing your last few posts directed towards me in rebuttal, perhaps as early as tonite. But, your remarck suggested (just above) came from another poster on this thread just over the past few days. And, you modified DBR's point. I don't doubt that Jesus lived and was murdered sometime in the first half of the first century this common era for speaking out against the established Jews and Romans; I don't question these facts. I doubt the authenticity of documentation that supports that he was the MESSIAH, the CHRIST and so forth. I can see we are going somewhere (now) with your rumour on this thread. We shall have a lot fun, too as one of the principal issues for me and perhaps MOST people is about the authenticity of documentation. Christianity (circa, ~35CE) spawned from Judaism (circa, ~2000BCE) and yet there is little authoritative documentation about the coming of the future MESSIAH, except as written after the Babylonian exile (circa, ~450CE) ... this is a significant issue for me. We shall see if you or anyone can help clarify this serious perspective.
This idea is diametrically opposed to what Joesph&Mary performed with baby Jesus, scurrying off/escaping the census of Rome for later tax collections. They immigrated to Egypt, home of Osiris, not any of the Jews such as back in Babylon. In fact, the family traveled to Nazareth (Galilee) not long afterwards as a result of Herod's death. Why do you suppose they escaped vital tax audits required by the government? And, more importantly why do you think they back to Galilee and went to Nazareth? So, you have opened two questions for me, now.
I have been in a Muslim country. You have to be very careful.
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If you didn't deny the existence of Jesus as DBR stated, then I apologize for that.
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Not at all. Both Jesus and John the Baptist were somehow associated with the Zealots by the geographical area of the Zealots; there continuing conflict between the the Zealots and the Romans from Galilee. From my perspective: it was nothing more than a modern day ruling of class distinction in contemporary political terms to tame the perceived vigilantes by brute force of the ruling class. And I didn't say Jesus or John the Baptist were directly involved with the Zealots; I believe both were involved with the Essenes. In fact, your suggestion is not my point at all. I have data to support that some of Jesus' own disciples were associated with the Zealots and as I said before, Jesus and John the Baptist were guilty by association.
Your thesis was made and dismissed years ago. I'll even provide a book review. BTW, we have a fragment of Mark dated 41 to 50 AD. Jesus and the Zealots. By S. G. F. Brandon. New York: Charles Scribner’s Sons, 1967. xviii + 413 pp.
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"I AM" I am always impressed with single verses from the Bible that attempt to substantiate a point of view. Here is the REAL STUFF, backed by a youtube movie. Jesus was denied plausible merit BECAUSE of the RULING CLASSES (Pharisees&Sadducees) in Jerusalem. You should take this following movie (which is a reenactment of KJV John 8) into context before discussing a very deep subject concerning existence with the expression of "IAM." I should say, do you want to discuss a philosophical viewpoint?
$7.95. Paper, $2.95. Although the book was copyrighted in 1967, it was not published in the USA until November of 1968 and the paper edition came out in June of 1970. Brandon’s (Professor of Comparative Religion in the University of Manchester) basic thesis is that Jesus and the Jewish Christians were Zealot sympathizers in their nationalistic cause against Rome. However, the Gospel of Mark which he dates after A.D. 71 was an apologetic to convince the Roman Christians that Jesus was not involved with any anti-Roman activity by portraying Jesus as having suffered at the hands of the Jews for being a heretic rather than being crucified by the Romans as a rebel against Rome. The other Gospels also point out Christ as a pacifist who taught His disciples to love their enemies and to reject all armed violence. Unfortunately Brandon has started out with the importance of the Zealots and then tries to fit the Gospel records accordingly. However, his evidence is weak but he explains this by saying that one has to read between the lines of the Gospels’ apologetics. This is circular reasoning. Although one of Christ’s disciples was a Zealot, so was one a tax collector for the Romans and the fact that Jesus associated himself with tax collectors should not be considered too lightly. Brandon’s view that Paul was presenting a gospel to the Gentiles which was in conflict with and a compromise of the Jewish Christian version (e.g. pp. 168ff.) is untenable. Interestingly, Brandon really does not have much discussion of Acts 10–11 where the Jewish Christians introduce the gospel to the Gentiles. Although the book has detailed documentation, its basic thesis is open to many questions. This reviewer thinks that one will gain a distorted picture of the historical background to the life of Christ. H. W. Hoehner
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I happened to see your post pop up while I am pursuing another post. But, what did Brandon claim within his knowledge-base about the Dead Sea Scrolls? He died in 1971 before much was released to the publick from authoritative analysis and opinion about the various modern day documents that reach back into circa ~200 BCE - 100 CE.
He Claimed to Be God Perhaps the strongest and clearest occasion of such a claim was at the Feast of Dedication when He said, “I and the Father are one” (John 10:30). The neuter form of “one” rules out the meaning that He and the Father were one person. It means that they are in perfect unity in natures and actions, a fact that could only be true if He were as much Deity as the Father. The people who heard this claim understood it that way, for they immediately tried to stone Him for blasphemy because He made Himself out to be God (v. 33). How can anyone say that Jesus of Nazareth Himself never claimed to be God, but rather that His followers made the claim for Him? Most of the passages cited above are from Christ’s own words. Therefore, one must face the only options: either His claims were true or He was a liar. And these claims are for full and complete Deity— nothing missing or removed during His life on earth. 33 “We are not stoning you for any of these,” replied the Jews, “but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God.”
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Irrespective of ALL your knowledge and education and materials that may support your interpretation about Jesus of Nazareth's parables or metaphors, Jesus NEVER suggested that which you say. Quite simply stated, you don't understand Jesus' saying's at all.
"I AM" is God's name. No philosophical argument can change that.
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You really don't know what you are discussing, and so there is no point in any further discussion with you. Have a nice evening.
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And your singular retort is: No, I am finding you&others moving the standards of discussion for this thread from a Biblical/historical/interpretative analysis and context towards interesting and modern ideas that I haven't seen in a Bible. Let's pull the discussion back towards nothing other than circa ~200BCE to ~200 CE. Of course, modern ideas based on discovery of interpretive authoritative analysis is fully welcomed by me. I enjoyed your use of Brandon, as an example. Such a shame he died before he could see the Dead Sea Scrolls.
And we are ALL God, therefore. Jesus did not jeopardize the Roman Pagan GODS (such as Jupiter) at the time; he did NOT want a violent revolt. He was very passive, except when angered by conventions that go nowhere TO THE REALIZATION OF BEING ONE WITH GOD.
gary- Why are you here? Why are you gossiping about me? Because you are no more than a cyber stalker. You and everyone you email and gossip along with, and invited here to stalk others. It is really quite disgusting. I would warn buck that indeed, you do not know Jesus. Everything you say is bout your own sick ego. No one should listen to you about God, Jesus or the Holy Spirit. You can not point to fruit or blessings or anointment in your life. WHY in the world should anyone with a mind, hear YOU? Your behavior is sick and wrong- that says volumns about your faith. You do Satan's work all of the time, day after day- year after year. You stalk people who speak the goodnews. Jesus rebuke you.
Buck- you might be interested in some of the Gnostic gospels. I have read many of them, and Mary's gospels makes sense to me. They do not all make sense to me personally , but they are very earthy and 200BC. ;)http://www.gnosis.org/library/marygosp.htm But seriously, you ask some very good questions. I am praying that you keep seeking, and keep looking. Again- I offer you that the most complex understanding will come to you in the form of answered prayer.
Mike- we are all works in progress. We all fall short, we all make mistakes. Anger IS a sin, indeed and something I have had to work VERY hard at handing over to Jesus. I have gotten very good at handing it over and being peaceful- BUT it was a long journey. The thing about Jesus, that is different than your goddess, and I think you will appreciate is that Jesus trains us up in the way we should go. He accepts us and loves us- but does correct us. A follower of Jesus will be a new person... and better... along with time. There is always hope, for a new day, for an honest follower. In this case I would pray that all posters on this site would treat each other with more kindness today- and that there would be no stalking, no harassment and no ill intent toward each other. God loves us all- but He can only offer hope to those of us who are willing to follow Him. On a side note- I understand your goddess. I am offering you that if you would take a very deep look at your goddess- you will find that she is a mirror image of the true Jesus. I offer that to you- not to upset you OR to hurt you, but to show you love. If you looked at the real Jesus, I beleive you would fall in love. :) Have a peaceful day. Be the change you want to see in the world. (We all have to do that) :) Best wishes.
I'm glad your religion give you as much as mine gives me. Thanks for sharing. ;-)
:)ok- ok... I am not going to give up on you. JUST FOR TODAY, I am going to have to stop posting- at just reminding you I don't have a religion. The difference between your religion and my faith in Jesus, is this for example: Yesterday, while in prayer and meditation- I have been shown an area of sin in my life- that is preventing me from getting to where I want to be. So I have to go and work that out and pray and surrender, and allow God to have sovereignty in my life. I consider myself a bond-servant/slave of Jesus. So- that relationship is the process of my personal peace. I beleive I am greatly rewarded for such faith. And it always leads to the most amazing blessings and peace. I know how to cast spells- and I could cast a spell and change things and people- OR I could take my correction, admitting that I need to come into correction, and allow myself to me more like the image of my Lord. That is the pursuit of a follower of Christ. I give those decisions and power to the Lord. I ask for what I want, if it is His will, He will give it to me. The Lord gives me everything I desire- that is good and right for me. AND He has the power to bless me, beyond my imaginings! THAT is a difference as well. In WICCA you are limited by your imagination. God's ways are so much more profound than what we can understand. He blesses us in ways we didn't think possible. The source of peace is different in your religion and in my faith, and someday I hope that you will see that there is a greater source, than your goddess. I hear you speaking from your spirit. :) I understand. Until I have the opportunity to post more at length- I hope you have a very good day. :)
I like you Betsy, but I have posted since 1995, and have no difficulty turning a pitch immediately into scroll by. You shouldn't waste your time giving one if I already said no thanks. I doubt Jesus even existed, frankly, which doesn't increase my interest in reading further about this possible person at this time. But thanks for sharing.
And, more importantly why do you think they back to Galilee and went to Nazareth? So, you have opened two questions for me, now. The first question is answered that they went to Bethlehem to register for the census: Luke chapter 2: 1 And it came to pass in those days that a decree went out from Caesar Augustus that all the world should be registered. 2 This census first took place while Quirinius was governing Syria. 3 So all went to be registered, everyone to his own city. 4 Joseph also went up from Galilee, out of the city of Nazareth, into Judea, to the city of David, which is called Bethlehem, because he was of the house and lineage of David, 5 to be registered with Mary, his betrothed wife, who was with child. 6 So it was, that while they were there, the days were completed for her to be delivered. 7 And she brought forth her firstborn Son, and wrapped Him in swaddling cloths, and laid Him in a manger, because there was no room for them in the inn.(NKJV) Then after Mary's purification was complete IAW Mosaic Law, the family went to Jerusalem: 22 Now when the days of her purification according to the law of Moses were completed, they brought Him to Jerusalem to present Him to the Lord 23 (as it is written in the law of the Lord, "Every male who opens the womb shall be called holy to the Lord"), 24 and to offer a sacrifice according to what is said in the law of the Lord, "A pair of turtledoves or two young pigeons." 25 And behold, there was a man in Jerusalem whose name was Simeon, and this man was just and devout, waiting for the Consolation of Israel, and the Holy Spirit was upon him. (NKJV) Then we know of the visit of the wise men from the East. They inquired to Herod of the whereabouts of the King of the Jews. The account is in Matthew chapter 2: 1 Now after Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judea in the days of Herod the king, behold, wise men from the East came to Jerusalem, 2 saying, "Where is He who has been born King of the Jews? For we have seen His star in the East and have come to worship Him." 3 When Herod the king heard this, he was troubled, and all Jerusalem with him. 4 And when he had gathered all the chief priests and scribes of the people together, he inquired of them where the Christ was to be born. 5 So they said to him, "In Bethlehem of Judea, for thus it is written by the prophet: 6 'But you, Bethlehem, in the land of Judah, Are not the least among the rulers of Judah; For out of you shall come a Ruler Who will shepherd My people Israel.' " 7 Then Herod, when he had secretly called the wise men, determined from them what time the star appeared. 8 And he sent them to Bethlehem and said, "Go and search carefully for the young Child, and when you have found Him, bring back word to me, that I may come and worship Him also." 9 When they heard the king, they departed; and behold, the star which they had seen in the East went before them, till it came and stood over where the young Child was. 10 When they saw the star, they rejoiced with exceedingly great joy. 11 And when they had come into the house, they saw the young Child with Mary His mother, and fell down and worshiped Him. And when they had opened their treasures, they presented gifts to Him: gold, frankincense, and myrrh. 12 Then, being divinely warned in a dream that they should not return to Herod, they departed for their own country another way. (NKJV) Then, 13 Now when they had departed, behold, an angel of the Lord appeared to Joseph in a dream, saying, "Arise, take the young Child and His mother, flee to Egypt, and stay there until I bring you word; for Herod will seek the young Child to destroy Him." 14 When he arose, he took the young Child and His mother by night and departed for Egypt, 15 and was there until the death of Herod, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the Lord through the prophet, saying, "Out of Egypt I called My Son." 16 Then Herod, when he saw that he was deceived by the wise men, was exceedingly angry; and he sent forth and put to death all the male children who were in Bethlehem and in all its districts, from two years old and under, according to the time which he had determined from the wise men. 17 Then was fulfilled what was spoken by Jeremiah the prophet, saying: 18 "A voice was heard in Ramah, Lamentation, weeping, and great mourning, Rachel weeping for her children, Refusing to be comforted, Because they are no more." 19 But when Herod was dead, behold, an angel of the Lord appeared in a dream to Joseph in Egypt, 20 saying, "Arise, take the young Child and His mother, and go to the land of Israel, for those who sought the young Child's life are dead." 21 Then he arose, took the young Child and His mother, and came into the land of Israel. 22 But when he heard that Archelaus was reigning over Judea instead of his father Herod, he was afraid to go there. And being warned by God in a dream, he turned aside into the region of Galilee. 23 And he came and dwelt in a city called Nazareth, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophets, "He shall be called a Nazarene." (NKJV) In both the Luke and Matthew account Jesus goes back to Nazareth. I hope this answers your questions: 1. was the claim of tax evasion. Joseph took Mary with Child to Bethlehem to register for the census. The text does not tell us if he paid the tax up front or later, but gives no indication they avoided the tax. 2. Why did they go back to Galilee and went to Nazareth? Luke tells us Joseph and Mary lived in Nazareth, so it makes sense why they went back there. We also have to take into account that Matthew's audience was Jewish and Luke's Gentile. Anything further would be an opinion or speculation.
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#193. To: A K A Stone (#192)
#194. To: Ferret Mike (#193)
#195. To: Ferret Mike (#190)
#196. To: diva betsy ross (#195)
#197. To: Ferret Mike (#196)
I'm sure you would agree, his sense of religion does no one any good at all.
#198. To: Ferret Mike (#193)
#199. To: A K A Stone (#197)
Hey Mike. Go to HELL! You helped usher in Obama.
We will work with each other, we will work side by side,
And we'll guard each man's dignity and save each man's pride;
Yes they'll know we are Christians by our love.
#200. To: buckeroo, hondo68, GarySpFc (#180)
What do you think of hondo68's post #1? He starts off the thread with an excellent comparison between two Bible versions and and analysis. Do you think that Paul's Romans 13:1-7 letter is about being subservient to government?
#201. To: lucysmom (#199)
#202. To: buckeroo (#165)
Judas of Galilee (circa ~ 6 CE) lead a revolt against the Romans. 2000 Jews died and the rub was Jesus of Nazareth (and John the Baptist) were somehow involved with this Jewish Zealot group, hence: death to John and Jesus and the disciples, many of which were originally John the Baptist's disciples.
#203. To: buckeroo (#164)
Jesus was murdered because He claimed to be God.
#204. To: buckeroo (#171)
#205. To: A K A Stone (#201)
And when he had opened the fifth seal,........
#206. To: A K A Stone (#198)
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#207. To: buckeroo (#108)
So, if you had a chance to view that video: it is the ORAL LAW not the Bible that establishes the Jewish traditions. Jesus was a Jew, for sure. Why would he reference a document (the Bible) that wasn't around at his time?
#208. To: buckeroo (#144)
Of course. You have actually added to the thread not denying or suggesting otherwise that the three great religions are mutually inclusive from the original Jewish documents, circa ~1250 BCE.
#209. To: buckeroo (#150)
One of my ideas, although not advanced with supporting material (just yet) is that Jesus of Nazareth was caught up in a revolution in Judea at around the time of severe subjugation by both the Romans and Jews. The resultant events created the myths we read, irrespective of the variation of the Bible anyone reads.
#210. To: GarySpFC (#209)
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I understand as late as last year you were denying the existence of Jesus
#211. To: redleghunter (#200)
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When it comes to tax time, yep give Caesar his due.
#212. To: NewsJunky (#158)
If that is true, how can you have non-Muslims living or even visiting Muslim nations?
#213. To: buckeroo (#210)
#214. To: GarySpFC (#202)
buckeroo: Judas of Galilee (circa ~ 6 CE) lead a revolt against the Romans. 2000 Jews died and the rub was Jesus of Nazareth (and John the Baptist) were somehow involved with this Jewish Zealot group, hence: death to John and Jesus and the disciples, many of which were originally John the Baptist's disciples.
GarySpFC: Firstly, that is total nonsense. John the Baptist and Jesus were 10 years old at most when Judas the Zealot lead his rebellion against Rome in 6 AD.Secondly, the Zealot cause of rebellion was in total conflict with Christ's non-violent and submission to ruling authorities (Rome) preaching. Sorry, but your theory is full of holes.
#215. To: buckeroo (#214)
#216. To: GarySpFC (#203)
John 8:58, 59 I AM: Jesus was not just claiming to have lived before Abraham; He was claiming eternal existence. He was claiming to be God Himself (see Ex.3:14). This time the Jewish leaders understood that Jesus was claiming to be God, so they took up stones to stone Him for blasphemy (see Lev. 24:16).
#217. To: All (#215)
#218. To: GarySpFC (#215)
Jesus and the Zealots. By S. G. F. Brandon. New York: Charles Scribner’s Sons, 1967. xviii + 413 pp.
#219. To: buckeroo (#216)
#220. To: GarySpFC (#219)
He [Jesus] Claimed to Be God
#221. To: buckeroo (#216)
Here is the REAL STUFF, backed by a youtube movie. Jesus was denied plausible merit BECAUSE of the RULING CLASSES (Pharisees&Sadducees) in Jerusalem. You should take this following movie (which is a reenactment of KJV John 8) into context before discussing a very deep subject concerning existence with the expression of "IAM." I should say, do you want to discuss a philosophical viewpoint?
#222. To: buckeroo (#220)
#223. To: GarySpFC (#204)
buckeroo: And, what did you think about the historical perspective from Flavius Josephus that was posted on #165? Isn't it remarckable that the founder of the Zealots was also from Galilee? That they formed for active and hostile assault against the Romans and often incited riotous rebellion amongst the Jews, the Pharisees and Sadducee?
GarySpFC: And John Brown was from Kansas, and i also deplore slavery, but our methods and beliefs are very different. You are barking up the wrong tree.
#224. To: GarySpFC (#221)
"I AM" is God's name.
#225. To: GarySpFC (#222)
Have a nice evening.
#226. To: GarySpFC (#213)
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#227. To: buckeroo (#223)
#228. To: Ferret Mike (#196)
#229. To: diva betsy ross (#228)
#230. To: Ferret Mike (#229)
#231. To: diva betsy ross (#230)
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#232. To: buckeroo, GarySpFc, AKA Stoner (#211)
This idea is diametrically opposed to what Joesph&Mary performed with baby Jesus, scurrying off/escaping the census of Rome for later tax collections. They immigrated to Egypt, home of Osiris, not any of the Jews such as back in Babylon. In fact, the family traveled to Nazareth (Galilee) not long afterwards as a result of Herod's death. Why do you suppose they escaped vital tax audits required by the government?
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