LF: What Version of the Christian Holy Bible Do You read?

Title: What Version of the Christian Holy Bible Do You read?
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Published: Feb 18, 2012
Author: buckeroo
Post Date: 2012-02-18 17:52:56 by buckeroo
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Assuming you have a Christian Holy Bible of one flavor or another, what version do you read?

As several examples, here are several variations: the New King James Version, New Living Translation, New International Version, New Revised Standard Version and so forth.

The NIV is revisionist history at it's worst, written by satist NWO neocon libtards. The following chart demonstrates just how far they strayed...

Warning: Beware of the Living Bible and the Good News Bible. They are merely Bible paraphrases, not translations. The wording is not true to the original Hebrew and Greek. The scriptures are perverted to support secular Christianity.

King James Bible
(Translation)

Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.

2 Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation.

3 For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same:

4 For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil.

5 Wherefore ye must needs be subject, not only for wrath, but also for conscience sake.

6 For for this cause pay ye tribute also: for they are God's ministers, attending continually upon this very thing.

7 Render therefore to all their dues: tribute to whom tribute is due; custom to whom custom; fear to whom fear; honour to whom honour.

Living Bible
(Paraphrase)

Obey the government, for God is the one who has put it there. There is no government anywhere that God has not placed in power.

2 So those who refuse to obey the laws of the land are refusing to obey God, and punishment will follow.

3 For the policeman does not frighten people who are doing right; but those doing evil will always fear him. So if you don't want to be afraid, keep the laws and you will get along well.

4 The policeman is sent by God to help you. But if you are doing something wrong, of course you should be afraid, for he will have you punished. He is sent by God for that very purpose.

5 Obey the laws, then, for two reasons: first, to keep from being punished, and second, just because you know you should.

6 Pay your taxes too, for these same two reasons. For government workers need to be paid so that they can keep on doing God's work, serving you.

7 Pay everyone whatever he ought to have: pay your taxes and import duties gladly, obey those over you, and give honor and respect to all those to whom it is due.

Using your comparison chart in your first post between the King James Version (KJV) and the Living Bible (LB), I want you to know that the New King James Version (NKJV) (note: NOT the KJV as in your chart) has the same meaning as the Living Bible (LB). Also, this same idea contained in your chart between Living Bible (LB) King James (KJV) version seems perpetuated all over the many variations that exist.

I do not believe for a moment that the Bible instructs us, "So those who refuse to obey the laws of the land are refusing to obey God, and punishment will follow" (LB) or "The policeman is sent by God to help you. But if you are doing something wrong, of course you should be afraid, for he will have you punished. He is sent by God for that very purpose." (LB) This is total poppycock for the lame brain creating, dull mass lunatics (whom can't think for themselves) submitting to a fuckin' dictator.

I checked the Coptic Church, too. They are the oldest group of "Christians" around even foreshadowing the Catholic Church by several hundreds of years and they use the English translation of the NKJV! Even the Arabic translation (SJV) converts to "submission unto the the Sultans." I don't believe many people understand the intent of Jesus Christ at all. He was a REBEL in his day, that is the reason for his crucifixion.

Like the gov the Coptics try their best to rip you off. The ones running the liquor store are known far and wide for trying to short change their customers.

The Coptics are pretty much centralized in Egypt and have been as much or more victimized through time as any of the Jews. Their first original writings came from Mark (one of the apostles of Christ) in Alexandria.

I was sure there was some subtle humour intended but I am studying the many variations of the Christian Bible right now. I am exceptionally curious about how the passage of Romans 13 has been interpreted in all these variations of English translation.

Jesus of Nazareth was a REBEL not some cheap submissive, humble servant of the government that is represented in all these English Bible translations.

Kings and even religious leaders try to spin to bible and tell us they we have to kiss their asses. Revolutionary preachers taught that "resistance to tyranny is obedience to God". They considered King George to be a false god (idol).

And we wonder HOW America failed? The entire American nation has been blinded into becoming a herd of sheep caged by ravenous wolves ready to strike at any moment. And, at the top of the list are the fucking ministers, pastors, priests and other BS artists that practice their Sunday SATANIC message of BS.

Try to keep the commandments of Jesus, and then you will get the understanding that you will never find, otherwise.

Job 28:28 And he said to man,’Behold, the fear of the Lord, that is wisdom, and to turn away from evil is understanding.’”

That is awesome if you want to know Jesus. Turn from all evil, invite Him into your life-open your heart for the revolution of love that he will show you- and pray to God for forgiveness of past sin.

THEN you will know which Bible is right. Until you do those things, you will be chasing your tail, and nothing will make sense.

Jesus was NOT a rebel against the government. He was a rebel against darkness, illness and hatred.

Really? But before going too far... stick with hondo's post#1 Romans 13 1-7 post.

USE POST #1 FOR THE REST OF YOUR DISCUSSION. Also, show how some of these interpretations of Romans 13 provide that GOVERNMENT is TO BE OBEYED as some squirming maggot to be squished by some black booted thug.

buck- if you sincerely and honestly want to understand Jesus, then I pray blessings all over you and want to encourage you.

Something you really need to get your head around is the character of Jesus, so you can understand the Scriptures.

When you understand the character of Jesus, you will be able to pick up any Bible, and understand the Word of God.

Until you surrender to God, and ask for Jesus- and seek salvation, the Bible is not going to make any sense to you. You have no foundation, without your cornerstone.

Jesus, himself said that he did not come to abolish the law, but to fulfill the law. Jesus himself said, render to Caesar what is Ceasar's and to God what is God's.

Jesus himself told us to follow laws and commandments. Jesus himself paid the temple tax that was required. Jesus told his followers to observe the laws. Jesus was a revolutionary- because He was talking about love and salvation and repentance from sin. No one else was talking about that stuff. He was not talking about revolution over the government.

There is a very good reason for that and it is much deeper than you understanding of one simple translation of Romans 13.

And of course, God bless your period of seeking. If you are playing games, turn back now- because you would be mocking God, and that is so unwise.

DBR - Let me caution you about something ... this is NOT a thread about your personal salvation and all that muck to get all emotional for my soul because some snake-handler told you to "walk on the waters and spread the word" as Jesus did.

I am a deist. I am so convinced that the world is full of shit because people like you believe in some STUPID TRINITY and all that cockamamie, I don't want to hear about it. Well, unless YOU CAN PROVE YOUR BELIEF.

I am interested in what version of the BIBLE you read, that is ALL, hence the title of this thread. If you provide convincing arguments about the reasons for your choice, fine; I shall research that, too. One person already did so and it was the Geneva Bible which is similar to the KJV.

pft! Your research on the Bible? lol.... Yeah- that is something smart for people to consider..

I read them all. Any one that I want to read. I also listen to people from all different denominations- go to temple on occasion, observe Jewish holy days- pray to keep all of the commandments- and read the Gnostic gospels. I also pray and ask for revelation.

I am very confident that there is nothing that you could explain to me. :) You are not going to find understanding in any one single translation. It is not there.

God is love and is spirit. The great spirit in the sky, is the Holy Spirit. People have understood this for thousands of years- and somehow it has totally evaded you. That is a heart matter.

THE one and only way to understand the ministry of Jesus- and to know God, is to be reborn with the Holy Spirit. that means that you allow your spirit to be alive. What deity of yours is going to do that for you? What deity of yours has shown you the way? I say none have. Jesus did tho- and that is historical not just spiritual.

Since that is not something you are interested in understanding- your pursuit of knowledge of the Bible- is hopeless, because all you are going to learn is the ways of man and religion.

Certainly, since you read all of them [Bibles] you can find a moment to explain this single passage?

I haven't suggested that I WOULD explain anything. Far from it, I have a relatively simple question and to this moment in the thread, you have yet to answer it.

Honestly... I have to spend some more time trying to figure out why you don't see the common threads, that connect all of those interpretations.

I'll have to figure you out later, buck. Lent is here. 40 days. See you after Easter.

Me to. Here is the KJV again: Matthew 11:12 And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffereth violence, and the violent take it by force.

buck- honestly- I really am observing Lent, and praying and fasting and that has been a great experience, but I don't want to leave you hanging, and I apologize if that answer sounded curt. I didn't mean for it to sound negative.

You have burned me in the past, and I really do not want to waste valuable energy arguing with you, or playing cyber games.

If you are sincere about seeking this knowledge, I can think of nothing more valuable to do- right now- than hang out with you and discuss your questions.

The Kingdom of Haven suffered violence when He was beaten to a bloody pulp, mocked and humiliated- and hung on a cross to be a curse, to absorb the wrath of God, to fulfill the law of atonement for sin- for every person on Earth. The violent take the Earth by force- and God sends us a savior- that whoever shall believe in Him shall be set free. God in not violent. He does not take the Earth by force. Each person has free will.

Those verses are also to set the stage that Jesus knew that he would suffer violence- and he knew he was not going to bring an overthrowing of the violence. Jesus knew the violence of man was not going to stop- but that he was still willing to die- to make the statement that HE was the way to the Father and to Heaven. It leaves us a working legacy. That verse teaches us about the character of Jesus.

Here is a man who knew exactly what violence he was going to face- and he faced.

Jesus showed us how to live in peaceful resistance ,to the violence of the world. The Bible speaks of the past, present and future at the same time. Just like there is the Trinity.

To someone who does not understand the supernatural existence of God- these things make no sense at all.

To gain understanding of anything in the Bible- you MUST first accept that God's ways are not man's ways.

So listen- honestly- I want to take this time for my spiritual retreat- but I will respectfully address any sincere questions you have.

Please don't play games. If you have an honest question, I will answer honestly and kindly, to the best of my ability.

Just because it is the internet and we don't know each other- doesn't mean it is cool to waste each other's time.

Show me, in the canons of the Holy Bible where there is a reference to a "trinity."

I am not catholic. Catholicism is a religion. I don't have a religion. I am a non-religious follower of Jesus the Christ.

Ask a Catholic. I don't beleive in most things Catholics believe in - you would have to ask a Catholic.

The power of God is within us, when we accept the Holy Spirit. Jesus is the kingdom of Heaven (aka -Kingdom of God).. (again, see the theme from the other verses?)

This thread is not designed to dispel your personal beliefs or religion, you are free to be what-ever-you-want. Have you read Flavius Josephus?

Buck- what annoys me about you, the very most is that you ask personal questions and then you rebuke the answer.

It totally annoys me. It is so rude. THAT is why humans need a savior, to learn to be kind to one another.

I tell you my personal faith, because you seem to be ignorant to the fact that not everyone reads the cannon, which is what YOU asked about.

People who call themselves Christians do not all have faith in the same things. THAT fact speaks directly to the reason there are different translations and interpretations. Jesus warned us about men and power trips and their religion. He told us to rebel against religion. You talk about a rebel.. he was a rebel against religion. Read the Bible.

I am telling you who I am, so you can start to understand the foundation of what I am sharing with you.

For example, gary and I do not have faith in the same things at all. His brand of christian and mine are not the same. I look at gary's behavior and I do not see Jesus. THAT is all I need to know. I don't think the source of his religion and my faith is the same, as a matter of fact.

He and I do not operate the same, read the same things in the Scriptural- or have the same understanding of God.

SO- you are going to get two very different explanations of Scripture from the two of us. You should understand that every person who you seek answers from is going to put our experiences into our understanding. My experiences with Jesus are personal- profound, radical, healing and audacious. I had a radical transformation and walk in great blessings and good health. That is what I bring to the table. Don't want to know about that? Then stop asking me.

And yes, history is very important and sound theology is very , very important- but the Bible says that all understanding starts with the fear of the lord- and is given to us by the Holy Spirit.

Gary has neither. Gary is all about religion- nothing spiritual or supernatural. There are people, such as myself, who believe God is spirit and supernatural.

KNOW the difference and you will gain understanding of why there are so many interpretations.

Want to know WHO is the closest to Holy and accurate- then look at the person's life and the blessings - peace and good health of the person. THAT is called the fruit.

Matt 7:16 You can identify them by their fruit, that is, by the way they act. Can you pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles?

So- know WHO you are talking to, and what they believe- while you seek. In fact, want to get directly to the heart of WHO is God, and what are HIS ways?

Stop reading everyone's opinions and get on your knees and pray. You have a brain and a heart. Open them to God, and He will answer you.

God bless you buck. This is a great season to be seeking. I pray you find all your answers. :) Blessed be the name of the Lord, Jesus.

I am not interested in your personal faith. If you are annoyed, it is because of THAT fact. I am interested in WHAT VERSION OF THE BIBLE YOU READ.

Ok- so you are just playing games. I told you- I read any of them I want to read. I answered that question - you asked more. I answered- you spit. I wanted to be open and honest- you bark. Typical buck. There is no transformation here.

I thought so, but I wanted to experiment with what would happen if turned around and authentically answered your questions from a human place.

For anyone reading that is why we need to ask God to transform us into the beings He would like us to be. The world is full of ego driven- selfish people, who are very abusive to our spirits.

Someone has to pay for that sin. Someone always does- your lover, wife, children, friends, co-workers... anyone who is around you, buck- pays for your ego.

If you are smart- you seek Jesus and accept His gift of debt free peace. OR- you can play games with theologians, who have no fruit in their lives- and pretend along with them that you are trying to understand. OR you are looking for comfort in someone's words that you don't need God- because their ideas are nuts.

I am so thankful for an awesome God who blesses me, and gives me all understanding.

Anyone else reading- this is for you- not buck-if you want the answers and blessings, they are for YOU too. Get into any Bible, and when you have a question, seek God- by praying - and asking for understanding.

God will show up. The love, joy,peace, good fortune, good health, relationships, adventure and daily blessings are for anyone. THAT is the gospel. You do have to give up sin- and ego, and chaos and illness - however.

The only thing I have that is different from those who attack me- is that I have a fear of Lord, I love Jesus will all my heart-mind and soul and I have surrendered a broken life of pain and abuse.

Don't let anyone tell you that THIS peaceful life isn't for you- or you have to have some lofty knowledge of history.. or you have to recite some list of prayers in a perfect way.

The Lord transformed my life- and restored my joy, and made every single ache and pain of life - so beautiful.

Whoever you are who is following along- It is for you as well. Start in the gospel of John and keep reading. Or start anywhere.

If you want a transformation in your life- you have to change the way you think.

No you didn't. You said, "read ALL of them." That infers you have some 100+ Bibles in front of you at all times which is absurd.

Oh God bless you buck. You are stuck. You are in a box. You only understand what the eyes of your flesh tell you is true. You only have faith in humans.

If I have an internet connection I have access to every bible and all the gospels and every way of thinking- at my fingertips. So it is more ridiculousness that you are chatting with me online- and do not make the connection that I can look up anything I want to look up- in .2 seconds.

I told you, above, what my own personal Bible is, that is in front of me. I already told you and you asked more questions. Pay attention, or the world is going to pass you by- and you will never understand anything.

You are lead by people who tell you what you want to hear, because it soothes your ego. Jesus was a rebel because He is telling you not to be held in bondage to other people's ideas.

You gotta get out of your ego- and open your heart and your mind- and be transformed by the renewal of your mind. :) Romans 12:2 Here is a whole bunch of translations- read them all- google more if you want.

You do not need anyone else, other than God, to tell you which one of these is the right one. That is true for anyone.

Best wishes- I am going to back to observing a peaceful Lent, learning the ways of my Lord.

I pray you are blessed with understanding and joy in the Lord, today. I thank you for this time, because it is actually valuable to me, in understanding human nature.

So, while it is right in line with my Lent observation- I am not going to get back here for awhile again.

Have you read and understood the thread banner? It poses a simple question. Take a peek at it before posting again on this thread. If you don't want to answer the simple question posted at the top of the thread, just say so and move on or don't post at all. If you do want to answer the question, please be factual instead of elusive to the question.

Oh, guess that was at the other site. ;) lol.. Anyway- I never said I have read 100 plus Bibles.

I said I can read any Bible I want to read- and it all makes perfect sense to me.

I can google any Bible I want to- and I do. For the record, the Bible that I took with me to church today is a New Revised Standard Version.

I like to cross reference with other Bibles, at times, because I talk with people (mostly pastors) about lots of Old Testament theology.

You seem to be fascinated with the idea that Jesus was a rebel. Yes- of course he was. Hey- at least we are getting somewhere- last year you told me Jesus didn't exist- and I told you he was a brilliant rebel, who I thought you would be interested in learning about!

As long as you are reading the word- I think we are doing pretty well, in progression here.

If you are interested in the Jewish Jesus- I think that is brilliant. For me, Jesus makes a great deal more sense when we understand the Jewish Jesus. It is a great time of the year to make sense of that,in your studies.

As I have explained many times before- by way of the Holy Spirit. I have given my life as a living sacrifice to the Lord, giving up addictions and sinful behavior (including a suicide attempt). I started by learning the character of God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit. I follow the commandments- which is actually really easy to do. I have been baptized in Water and in the Spirit.

All of these things came about by my faith. My faith started with a fear of the Lord. My fear of the Lord started with knowing that there was more to this world than what meets the eye.

I am now at the point in my journey- after years of work- that I can write down a question and get an answer and a revelation within a few moments.

I like to listen to the Bible, sometimes. Read from all different translations. I was listening in Exodus the other day- and I had a need to understand Moses and his motivation, and how Moses did not get frustrated with those people-and I was led, to great understanding- backed up with verses and connections to other parts of the Bible.

I pray and ask to be shown things in Scripture. I like it to be sound theology, so that is what I ask for and that is what I get.

I am not standing here as a Bible student- but as a person who was so broken and busted up- that I could barely crawl to church at one point in my life- who has great blessings and deep understanding of the world- all from one simple thing....

You want all your questions answered? Ask Jesus yourself. Do not go to anyone else.

Look up a sinners prayer- ask Jesus into your life- accept that He died for you- and then simply follow.

Jesus was a rebel who can rock your world, better than anything else you are going to find under the sun.

Want to know why he was a rebel? Because it is a broken , messed up world and he came to kick it's butt.

:) So- it all makes perfect sense to me, because I have the right tool for the job.

You don't believe in a God as in a monotheistic concept. You believe in a "trinity of GODS" as in a polytheistic concept. Why?

I believe in one God- in three *forms of communication*. Everyone , who is honest, struggles with this concept and how to explain it.

God is supernatural, so it is very difficult to put into words- but people try and of course no two explanations are the same.

Let me try to explain this, from my POV: There is one God. Jesus is a human- who walked the Earth showing us God's ways. The Holy Spirit is the helper, that Jesus left for us when he departed.

This is a very simple way of explaining of course. But they are ,three in one. Three separate purposes- one system. One God.

I think YOU make God out to be more complex within your interpretation than even Hindu practices which at least have a Brahman over ALL other gods.

Oh for sure- God is very complex. He is so complex that we can not even understand Him completely.

This I know, Jesus saves. What religion has a savior who saves, blesses and preforms miracles?

Jesus saved me- and many people I know. What I am talking about- this faith I have , is not something I have to wait until I am off this Earth to enjoy.

I get it now. Right this very second. you would not beleive the blessing I have gotten in one day. And this happens- day after day- month after month- year after year.

There is no end to the blessings and peace I have now. THAT is what I would want for you.

I have concrete miracles, blessings- signs and wonders. THAT, and I understand the Bible perfectly well. THAT is a miracle in and of itself.

Ok- I have to get some things ready for the week- and then I am back to observing Lent.

I just love how you show your spiritual side by rhetorically shaking your penis in my general direction. Hey, it's no problem to me if you aklways start out by giving away your power. ;-D

So shit apple how do you know there is a goddess? What do you base that on? An acid trip?

Why would you think childish and intemperate insults would bother me? You are the one looking shallow and immature here; not me.

Mentioning drug use is no bother either, as I do no drug; not even alcohol, nor cigs either.

You are very afraid of the first Amendment and the right for people to be a religion other than your own.

You also do not believe in voting, or you wouldn't try to treat people voting for two opposing candidates as being in commission of a criminal act.

You give away your power at every post you make, and all you do here is have me feeling sorry for you. I wish you luck in learning how to heal what ails you.