LF: What Version of the Christian Holy Bible Do You read?

Title: What Version of the Christian Holy Bible Do You read?
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Published: Feb 18, 2012
Author: buckeroo
Post Date: 2012-02-18 17:52:56 by buckeroo
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Assuming you have a Christian Holy Bible of one flavor or another, what version do you read?

As several examples, here are several variations: the New King James Version, New Living Translation, New International Version, New Revised Standard Version and so forth.

The NIV is revisionist history at it's worst, written by satist NWO neocon libtards. The following chart demonstrates just how far they strayed...

Warning: Beware of the Living Bible and the Good News Bible. They are merely Bible paraphrases, not translations. The wording is not true to the original Hebrew and Greek. The scriptures are perverted to support secular Christianity.

King James Bible
(Translation)

Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.

2 Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation.

3 For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same:

4 For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil.

5 Wherefore ye must needs be subject, not only for wrath, but also for conscience sake.

6 For for this cause pay ye tribute also: for they are God's ministers, attending continually upon this very thing.

7 Render therefore to all their dues: tribute to whom tribute is due; custom to whom custom; fear to whom fear; honour to whom honour.

Living Bible
(Paraphrase)

Obey the government, for God is the one who has put it there. There is no government anywhere that God has not placed in power.

2 So those who refuse to obey the laws of the land are refusing to obey God, and punishment will follow.

3 For the policeman does not frighten people who are doing right; but those doing evil will always fear him. So if you don't want to be afraid, keep the laws and you will get along well.

4 The policeman is sent by God to help you. But if you are doing something wrong, of course you should be afraid, for he will have you punished. He is sent by God for that very purpose.

5 Obey the laws, then, for two reasons: first, to keep from being punished, and second, just because you know you should.

6 Pay your taxes too, for these same two reasons. For government workers need to be paid so that they can keep on doing God's work, serving you.

7 Pay everyone whatever he ought to have: pay your taxes and import duties gladly, obey those over you, and give honor and respect to all those to whom it is due.

Obama's watch stopped on 24 May 2008, but he's been too busy smoking crack to notice.

Good grief...I use the Geneva bible, often called the pilgrims bible because it's the bible brought over on the Mayflower, and pre-dates the King James bible by 51 years...This whole Romans 13 nonsense is a tyrants dream...the "rulers" we are supposed to follow are a terror to evil and uphold the good...not reversed. Are we to obey liars, thieves, war mongers, murders, lovers of power and position, leaders that teach perversion, decadence and hate of all things GOD calls good...I don't think so. If this were so, we as Christians, should obey corrupt leaders like Caligula, Hitler, Mao, Pol Pot or any other ruthless tyrant that comes along...that's ridiculous. Based on this rendering, we would still be subjects of the British crown, because revolt would have been unChristian....Oh, and we should never have gone to war with Germany because GOD put Hitler in his position of power.

God gave the government certain responsibilities. Such as punishing murderers and thieves. Maybe a lot of other stuff that governments do that aren't sanctioned in the Bible are not legitimate.

no doubt Stone...my only comment was the ridiculousness of GOD wanting us to follow/obey evil and corrupt government.

Does the chart that you posted include the version you read? That is to ask: Do you read the King James Version? Why don't you read the New King James Version?

**** good comparison BTW.... still, what do you use by your bed stand? Why not the Gideon's Bible?

I am attempting to understand the version you use as opposed to the reasons for the version. And thank you for providing a straight answer. You indicate an interesting point in historical fact, however. Still, predating the Geneva Bible is the Great Bible or even the Tyndale Bible.

Why do you say that Romans 13 is a tyrant's dream? I would like to know more about your interpretation and why you think the Geneva Bible is immune to such interpretation.

What version or variation of the Christian Bible do you most often refer to, Stone? You say you are a devout Christian from time to time.

Does your quote (above) have any impact regarding the behaviour of those in the United States Government? I only ask because you brought it up.

I think many of the things the government should be done by individuals instead, or not done at all.

You made the above point, which seems "innocent." But what happens when the very people whom comprise a government become the same as what you suggest? Are they going to punish themselves?

Obama's watch stopped on 24 May 2008, but he's been too busy smoking crack to notice.

Using your own methods similar to the chart in post #1, please provide a reference of and about the King James Version (KJV) that reflects the passages of Romans 13 with respect to the Gideon Bible. You need not get fancy in HTML ... just the text ... nothing but the text.

I would enjoy seeing how those versions of the Christian Bible are similar. Your help is important and I thank you in advance.

Obama's watch stopped on 24 May 2008, but he's been too busy smoking crack to notice.

You are correct, Gideons Bible seems to be a direct copy of the KJV at least for Romans 13. How did you know that?

Like what? If I wanted to invest in a Holy Bible with a few bucks why should I choose a KJV or a Gideon version or a Geneva version? Why not use Jerome's Vulgate?

Actually I have "the living bible -paraphrased" which I found discarded by the wayside.

"The Living Bible is a compilation of Scripture paraphrases previously published by Tynsdale House Publishers under the following titles:

Living Letters, 1962; Living Prophecies, 1965; Living Gospels, 1966; Living Psalms and Proverbs, 1967; Living Lessons of Life and Love, 1968; Living Books of Moses, 1969; Living History of Israel, 1970."

I keep it in the bathroom in case I run out of toilet paper, after the economy finishes collapsing and California formally becomes Aztlan.

Obama's watch stopped on 24 May 2008, but he's been too busy smoking crack to notice.

Sounds like a great piece of work to wipe my ass with, too. Have you seen the following? Here:

Why would I pay any money to buy mere shit paper? HELL, I'm IN! Tomorrow, I'm mailing my 2011 IRS statement in... I'm doing the work of GOD, now.

Using your comparison chart in your first post between the King James Version (KJV) and the Living Bible (LB), I want you to know that the New King James Version (NKJV) (note: NOT the KJV as in your chart) has the same meaning as the Living Bible (LB). Also, this same idea contained in your chart between Living Bible (LB) King James (KJV) version seems perpetuated all over the many variations that exist.

I do not believe for a moment that the Bible instructs us, "So those who refuse to obey the laws of the land are refusing to obey God, and punishment will follow" (LB) or "The policeman is sent by God to help you. But if you are doing something wrong, of course you should be afraid, for he will have you punished. He is sent by God for that very purpose." (LB) This is total poppycock for the lame brain creating, dull mass lunatics (whom can't think for themselves) submitting to a fuckin' dictator.

I checked the Coptic Church, too. They are the oldest group of "Christians" around even foreshadowing the Catholic Church by several hundreds of years and they use the English translation of the NKJV! Even the Arabic translation (SJV) converts to "submission unto the the Sultans." I don't believe many people understand the intent of Jesus Christ at all. He was a REBEL in his day, that is the reason for his crucifixion.

Like the gov the Coptics try their best to rip you off. The ones running the liquor store are known far and wide for trying to short change their customers.

Obama's watch stopped on 24 May 2008, but he's been too busy smoking crack to notice.

The Coptics are pretty much centralized in Egypt and have been as much or more victimized through time as any of the Jews. Their first original writings came from Mark (one of the apostles of Christ) in Alexandria.

Obama's watch stopped on 24 May 2008, but he's been too busy smoking crack to notice.

I was sure there was some subtle humour intended but I am studying the many variations of the Christian Bible right now. I am exceptionally curious about how the passage of Romans 13 has been interpreted in all these variations of English translation.

Jesus of Nazareth was a REBEL not some cheap submissive, humble servant of the government that is represented in all these English Bible translations.

Kings and even religious leaders try to spin to bible and tell us they we have to kiss their asses. Revolutionary preachers taught that "resistance to tyranny is obedience to God". They considered King George to be a false god (idol).

Obama's watch stopped on 24 May 2008, but he's been too busy smoking crack to notice.

And we wonder HOW America failed? The entire American nation has been blinded into becoming a herd of sheep caged by ravenous wolves ready to strike at any moment. And, at the top of the list are the fucking ministers, pastors, priests and other BS artists that practice their Sunday SATANIC message of BS.

The Greek Orthodox Church has recently release a new English translation of the New Testament called the Eastern / Greek Orthodox Bible.

It's a new English language translation based on the Greek language Constantinople Patriarchate edition of 1904.

I read their website. They claim either the KJV or RSV version. Here is what they say:

Try to keep the commandments of Jesus, and then you will get the understanding that you will never find, otherwise.

Job 28:28 And he said to man,’Behold, the fear of the Lord, that is wisdom, and to turn away from evil is understanding.’”

That is awesome if you want to know Jesus. Turn from all evil, invite Him into your life-open your heart for the revolution of love that he will show you- and pray to God for forgiveness of past sin.

THEN you will know which Bible is right. Until you do those things, you will be chasing your tail, and nothing will make sense.

Jesus was NOT a rebel against the government. He was a rebel against darkness, illness and hatred.

I found an official resource of an online version of from the Geneva Bible. Here is the copy:

Really? But before going too far... stick with hondo's post#1 Romans 13 1-7 post.

USE POST #1 FOR THE REST OF YOUR DISCUSSION. Also, show how some of these interpretations of Romans 13 provide that GOVERNMENT is TO BE OBEYED as some squirming maggot to be squished by some black booted thug.

buck- if you sincerely and honestly want to understand Jesus, then I pray blessings all over you and want to encourage you.

Something you really need to get your head around is the character of Jesus, so you can understand the Scriptures.

When you understand the character of Jesus, you will be able to pick up any Bible, and understand the Word of God.

Until you surrender to God, and ask for Jesus- and seek salvation, the Bible is not going to make any sense to you. You have no foundation, without your cornerstone.

Jesus, himself said that he did not come to abolish the law, but to fulfill the law. Jesus himself said, render to Caesar what is Ceasar's and to God what is God's.

Jesus himself told us to follow laws and commandments. Jesus himself paid the temple tax that was required. Jesus told his followers to observe the laws. Jesus was a revolutionary- because He was talking about love and salvation and repentance from sin. No one else was talking about that stuff. He was not talking about revolution over the government.

There is a very good reason for that and it is much deeper than you understanding of one simple translation of Romans 13.

And of course, God bless your period of seeking. If you are playing games, turn back now- because you would be mocking God, and that is so unwise.

DBR - Let me caution you about something ... this is NOT a thread about your personal salvation and all that muck to get all emotional for my soul because some snake-handler told you to "walk on the waters and spread the word" as Jesus did.

I am a deist. I am so convinced that the world is full of shit because people like you believe in some STUPID TRINITY and all that cockamamie, I don't want to hear about it. Well, unless YOU CAN PROVE YOUR BELIEF.

I am interested in what version of the BIBLE you read, that is ALL, hence the title of this thread. If you provide convincing arguments about the reasons for your choice, fine; I shall research that, too. One person already did so and it was the Geneva Bible which is similar to the KJV.

pft! Your research on the Bible? lol.... Yeah- that is something smart for people to consider..

Hondo - I just researched a wee bit about your excellent resource, Harry Stout. I'm buying his book: The New England Soul: Preaching and Religious Culture in Colonial New England. As a synopsis of the book: