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Title: Virginia Moves forward To Let Agencies Bar Gay Adoption
Source: AssociatedPress
URL Source: http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/201 ... b/09/us-virginia-gay-adoption/
Published: Feb 9, 2012
Author: staff writers
Post Date: 2012-02-09 18:23:09 by Murron
Keywords: None
Views: 34269
Comments: 87

Virginia Moves forward To Let Agencies Bar Gay Adoption

The Virginia state Senate passed legislation Thursday allowing private adoption agencies to deny placements that conflict with their religious or moral beliefs, including opposition to homosexuality.

The mostly party-line 22-18 vote virtually ensures the Republican-backed bill will become law. The House of Delegates has an identical version of the bill and Republican Gov. Bob McDonnell says he will sign it. Virginia would become just the second state with such a law, which supporters said was modeled after North Dakota's.

State Sen. Jeffrey McWaters, a Republican from Virginia Beach, said his "conscience clause" bill protects the religious rights of private child placement agencies, including dozens that contract with the state to provide foster care and adoption services.

"This is completely consistent with state and federal law," McWaters said. "It does not change who can or cannot adopt a child."

Sen. Adam Ebbin, D-Alexandria and the only openly gay member of the General Assembly, suggested all the talk about religious freedom is a smokescreen for discrimination against lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgendered people.

"It has always been about denying LGBT Virginians the right to form families, no matter what we say," Ebbin said.

He said the bill will endanger gay and bisexual children, who make up a disproportionate share of youths awaiting a home, by allowing agencies to place them with parents opposed to homosexuality.

"This does not uphold anyone's moral principles," Ebbin said. "It's morally wrong."

Sen. John Edwards, D-Roanoke, said agencies that contract with the state should not be allowed to discriminate.

"You have a right to exercise religion as you see fit, but you don't have a right to impose it on someone else using state dollars," he said.

Sen. Mark Herring, D-Loudoun, said the bill conflicts with the principle that the best interest of the child is paramount.

"Neither the interests of the placement agency nor their beliefs should stand in the way," he said.

The Family Foundation of Virginia, which lobbied for the legislation, lauded the Senate's action.

"The passage of conscience protection for private child placement agencies by a bipartisan majority in the Senate is a tremendous victory for religious liberty and for the thousands of children and families around Virginia that are served by these agencies," Victoria Cobb, the foundation's president, said in a written statement.

The Child Welfare League of America had sent a letter to senators earlier in the week urging them to reject the bill, saying it would just make it more difficult to place the approximately 1,300 Virginia children waiting for a home.

"These children have been through so much already," Christine James-Brown, president of the organization, wrote. "It is cruel to deny them a secure home with a qualified family that happens to differ from the religious or moral beliefs held by a particular agency."

If either the House or the Senate approves the other chamber's bill unchanged, it will go to the governor. If either chamber amends the bill _ which seems unlikely after the Senate rejected a string of amendments proposed by Democrats on Wednesday _ it could be sent to conference committee to resolve the differences.

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#6. To: Murron (#0)

It is wrong to deliberately place a child in a home lacking either male or female influences.

Also, male children should never be placed with lesbians - who uniformly take out their man-hate on them - or with gay males, who very often will raise them for the purpose of molestation.

thoughtomator  posted on  2012-02-09   18:51:25 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: thoughtomator (#6)

Also, male children should never be placed with lesbians - who uniformly take out their man-hate on them - or with gay males, who very often will raise them for the purpose of molestation.

Where the fuck do you come up with your drivel? Do you just make it up?

meguro  posted on  2012-02-10   2:20:10 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: meguro (#9)

It's called common sense and those who do not have homosexual mental problems and are not brainwashed by Marxism can see it as self-evident.

Giving children to homosexuals is offensive to Nature itself - which, it should be noted, gives no children to homosexuals.

thoughtomator  posted on  2012-02-10   2:42:22 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: thoughtomator (#10)

All people have children, and all people come in all range of grace, goodness or ability.

I know many gay men and women with children who do very well in life.

And their parent's gender preference doesn't influence their own.

As homosexuality is just another human trait, and is certainly no mere choice.

Your bigotry is pitiable, and an affliction that hurts you the most.

That is the bottom line.

Marriage has just become legal for all in Washington state, and will soon be legal all up and down the west coast.

As much of the marriages of heterosexual people fail with nary a word of concern or even advocacy to change that from people like you; it's not worry about the future of children or the state of marriage that drives you; it is the promotion of hate and wedge issues that enervates you.

You are to be pitied. I feel sorry for people like you.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2012-02-12   6:09:02 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Ferret Mike (#12)

That was one hell of a recitation of Marxist politically correct bullshit.

I'll tell you what, if I want to hear that kind of totally unsubstantiated bullshit, I'll turn on my TV, OK?

thoughtomator  posted on  2012-02-12   9:35:59 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: thoughtomator (#15)

You can use the word Marxist as a one word cover all for anything you do not agree with.

But the research of the APA and many other entities that have done good, impartial research backs up my position well enough to make it impossible for bigotry to triumph in the end on this issue.

Your hatred and deep fear based on the worst sort of human ignorance is your problem, and it is something you need to work out before you can defeat this stumbling block of hatred and ignorance that prevents you from growing as a human being.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2012-02-12   12:34:26 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: Ferret Mike (#17)

But the research of the APA and many other entities that have done good, impartial research backs up my position well enough to make it impossible for bigotry

Why do you call us bigots? That is a ridiculous charge. You are talking in pedophile code in order to try and lure kids into perversion and a destructive lifestyle. When you say that it is ok and normal you are assaulting kids. What do you call someone who assaults kids? That is what you would be. So cut the pedophile code talking out. It is sick.

A K A Stone  posted on  2012-02-12   13:22:45 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: A K A Stone (#21)

"Why do you call us bigots?"

because, you express bigotry. Are you denying you are bigoted against homosexuals? If you are, explain why you need to slander people as child molesters to try to dehumanize them, when pedophiles are commonly known as a different class of people who fear sexual contact with their peers?

Studies show gay people as fully normal and functional in every way. Their only difference is their sexual partners.

Consenting adults engaged in a relationship is not pedophilia. This is no more a rational argument than the old racist saw that blacks need to be controlled because they are childish by nature and merely out to get our White women.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2012-02-12   13:41:29 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: Ferret Mike (#25)

Studies show gay people as fully normal and functional in every way. Their only difference is their sexual partners

Most murderers are normal in every way. Except they kill people. What you say there is evidence of nothing. You sound like the defense attorney for pedophiles making exescuses. Any if you are born with your "sexual orientation" (It is really preference but I'll use your dumb word to make a point) then by following your "logic" to its conclusion, pedophiles are born that way too.

And you trying to bring race into it a red herring and ignored by all except the dumbest of the dumb and the evil.

A K A Stone  posted on  2012-02-12   13:46:47 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: A K A Stone (#27)

Murderers don't function well in society. And their victims are not consenting adults.

Gay people are indistinguishable from everyone else in how well they succeed in society, and in how productive a member of society they are.

The only difference is in the gender preference of their consenting adult partner.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2012-02-12   13:50:36 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: Ferret Mike (#30)

Gay people are indistinguishable from everyone else in how well they succeed in society,

That is irrelevant. It has nothing to do with this issue. There are many wife beaters that are indistinguishable from everyone else in how well they succeed in society. So by your words you are hung. Applying the definition you just used you just said that wife beaters are normal and should be respected. Your brain is fried Mike. You need help real bad.

A K A Stone  posted on  2012-02-12   13:53:16 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: A K A Stone (#32)

Wife beaters like murderers do not deal with consenting adult partners.

In the end you can construct no rational argument, thus you resort to name calling and epithets.

This is your problem, not mine. I don't give a damn what you want to label me with name calling.

Bullying does not work. To bad you can't seem to figure that one out.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2012-02-12   13:56:37 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: Ferret Mike (#35)

Wife beaters like murderers do not deal with consenting adult partners.

That is another weak argument. The argument that would come from someone lying or mentally deficient. You are saying that any conduct that is engaged in by consenting people is moral and right. That isn't the case Mike. It just isn't. You can pretend it is the case but that has no bearing on reality.

A K A Stone  posted on  2012-02-12   14:06:28 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: A K A Stone (#40)

"You are saying that any conduct that is engaged in by consenting people is moral and right."

It wouldn't be moral or right if a majority of gay people tried to force a minority of straight people to feel as they do or act in a way they prefer.

As I said, there have always been gay people, and their always will be. The sexual relationships of gay people are consenting, and to not infringe on anybody.

They function well in society, and are normal in every way. trying to say they are not because one cannot imagine having that gender preference is the expression of an irrational bias.

Irrational bias put into law is bigotry in action. The issue has sparked much research inthe issue, and the research proved the bias as unjustified, thus things are changing for the better, and bigotry against gay people is changing, and much of the irrational hatred of them is gone.

Sorry this alarms you, but the trend is unstoppable, and is not going to go away, no matter how much you wish it to.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2012-02-12   14:19:38 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#51. To: Ferret Mike (#46)

The issue has sparked much research inthe issue, and the research proved the bias as unjustified

Mike. You are lying. There is no such research.

A K A Stone  posted on  2012-02-12   14:23:15 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#58. To: A K A Stone (#51)

It is right there at the APA site, it is there in libraries both public and in those of universities, and if I went there and did a huge cut and paste of it here, no one would read it, or pay attention to it.

You need to go read it by virtue of your own effort. The fact it exists is undeniable, things would not be changing othewise.

I have been debating this issue since 1995 and I have done the citation, links and cut and paste.

But in the end that does little to change a mind like yours'.

You are smart enough to find stuff on the APA site, i an quite sure. Though if you were willing to read it and take it seriously, I might be convinced to do your work for you and once again go get links to this research material, I might.

But you are going to have to ask me to, and then promise to read it. Frankly, I don't think you have the desire, or propensity to make the effort to do this.

And the lurker base of this site is just not large enough to do this exercise just for their benefit.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2012-02-12   14:31:43 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#60. To: Ferret Mike (#58)

And the lurker base of this site is just not large enough to do this exercise just for their benefit.

How big is the lurker base?

A K A Stone  posted on  2012-02-12 14:32:55 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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