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Title: Farmers Plan Biggest U.S. Crop Boost Since 1984, Led by Corn: Commodities
Source: Bloomberg
URL Source: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012- ... 4-led-by-corn-commodities.html
Published: Feb 7, 2012
Author: Jeff Wilson and Whitney McFerron
Post Date: 2012-02-07 12:26:00 by Brian S
Keywords: None
Views: 12216
Comments: 35

U.S. farmers will plant the most acres in a generation this year, led by the biggest corn crop since World War II, taking advantage of the highest agricultural prices in at least four decades.

They will sow corn, soybeans and wheat on 226.9 million acres, the most since 1984, a Bloomberg survey of 36 farmers, bankers and analysts showed. The 2.5 percent gain means an expansion the size of New Jersey, as growers target fields left fallow last year and land freed up from conservation programs.

Crop prices, some of which reached the highest averages ever in 2011, bolstered the economies of Midwest growing states, sent net farm income up 28 percent to $100.9 billion and pushed the value of farmland to a record $2,350 an acre, the U.S. Department of Agriculture estimates. Global food costs are down 11 percent from a peak a year ago as grain output rises from China to Canada, United Nations data show.

“There is unlikely to be any ground that won’t be planted this year,” said Todd Wachtel, a 40 year-old who farms about 5,700 acres in Altamont, Illinois, and plans to expand his corn fields by 21 percent when seeding begins in early April. “Farmers know that they have to plant more when prices are high because they may not last.”

Production Forecast

A bigger harvest in the U.S., the world’s largest exporter of all three crops, will help compensate for shortages in the current crop year. Drought damage in Brazil and Argentina will probably spur the USDA to cut its global and U.S. grain-supply forecasts for the current season on Feb. 9, a separate Bloomberg survey of as many as 25 analysts showed. The USDA’s first

forecast for the year 2012-2013 crop year will be Feb. 23.

Farmers will sow corn, used to feed livestock and make ethanol, on 94.329 million acres this year, up 2.6 percent from last year and the most since 1944, according to the Bloomberg survey. Soybean fields may expand 0.4 percent to 75.309 million acres, the fifth-most ever. Both crops are harvested after the current season ends on Aug. 31. Wheat in the season that begins June 1 will reach a three-year high of 57.233 million acres, up 5.2 percent, the survey showed.

Corn may rise 7.1 percent to $6.90 a bushel in six months because of the damage in South America, before dropping to $5.25 in a year as U.S. farmers increase supply, Goldman Sachs Group Inc. said in a Feb. 2 report. Corn for delivery in December, after the harvest, fell 0.8 percent to $5.765 today, 10 percent below the March contract on the Chicago Board of Trade.

Foresight Commodities

Wheat may tumble 18 percent to $5.50 by July and soybeans may drop 17 percent to $10.20 a bushel, analysts at commodity broker Allendale Inc. in McHenry, Illinois, said Jan. 21.

“The area is available to have huge crops this year,” said Paul Meyers, a vice president at Foresight Commodities Services Inc. in Long Valley, New Jersey, and the former head of grain-market analysis at the USDA from 1974 to 1983. “We are headed for a surplus-supply situation.”

Corn, soybean and wheat futures are down at least 15 percent since the end of August, helping to send the Standard &

Poor’s GSCI Agriculture Index to a 16 percent decline. The MSCI All-Country World Index of equities gained 4.7 percent during the period, touching a six-month high Feb. 3, while Treasuries returned 2.5 percent, a Bank of America Corp. index shows.

World food prices fell to a 14-month low in December, led by declines in grains, sugar and oilseeds, the UN’s Food and Agriculture Organization said Jan. 12.

Monetary Fund

The USDA affirmed its forecast for moderating food costs last month. Prices will increase 2.5 percent to 3.5 percent in 2012, below last year’s 3.7 percent gain, the agency said Jan. 25. The same day, the International Monetary Fund forecast a 14 percent drop in non-oil commodities this year, citing more supply.

Farmers in the Midwest, the main growing region, are less than two months away from planting seeds, and dry soils in some areas could limit output. The most widely-held option on December corn futures gives the holder the right to buy the grain at $7.

“It’s been an abnormally warm winter,” said Alan Tiemann, who is preparing to expand corn planting on his 2,000-acre farm in Seward, Nebraska, by 15 percent. “That may not relate to what’s going to happen this summer, but it keeps you on the edge of your seat a little bit, wondering when the next moisture event is going to happen.”

Corn averaged $6.79 in Chicago last year, the highest ever and twice the level of the previous decade, exchange data show. Soybeans averaged a record $13.21, 72 percent above the 10 previous years, while wheat’s average of $7.235 was the second- highest ever and 57 percent more than the past decade.

Trading Commission

Money managers have been betting on lower wheat prices since September, U.S. Commodity Futures Trading Commission data show. They cut their bullish wagers on soybean and corn in two of the past three weeks.

Floods, drought and freezes last year prevented planting of the three crops on about 8.577 million acres, 28 percent more than in 2010, USDA data show. An additional 1.84 million acres that were planted failed to produce, more than double the amount a year earlier.

Crop insurers paid out a record $9.1 billion last year to cover the damage, and the bill may top $10 billion when all claims are settled, Overland Park, Kansas-based National Crop Insurance Services said Jan. 24.

A return to normal weather in 2012 would mean more production from last year’s lost acres. The government also has reduced the amount of land it pays farmers to leave fallow by 4.7 percent, adding 1.47 million acres that weren’t available in 2011, USDA data show.

Rising incomes allowed farmers to buy more land and the extra seed, crop chemicals and equipment needed.

Profitable Industries

“Grain farming has been one of few profitable industries for the past three years, and there will be a tendency for farmers around the world to maximize acreage,” said Don Roose, the president of U.S. Commodities Inc. in West Des Moines, Iowa, who has been advising farmers and grain elevators since 1979. “We have the potential to grow record world crops this year that can swamp demand.”

Deere & Co., the world’s largest farm-equipment maker, will report record net income of $3.14 billion this year, up from $2.8 billion a year earlier, the mean of eight analyst estimates compiled by Bloomberg shows. Shares of the Moline, Illinois- based company rose 14 percent this year. Monsanto Co., the biggest seed company, will earn $1.9 billion, up from $1.61 billion, the mean of seven estimates shows. The St. Louis-based company rose 14 percent in New York trading this year.

Farming Accounts

Land prices in Iowa, the biggest corn- and soybean-growing state, averaged $5,600 an acre last year, three times the amount a decade ago, USDA data show.

While farming accounts for 0.9 percent of the U.S. economy, it has been among the fastest-growing contributors. The amount of value added by agriculture in the four years through 2010 rose 42 percent to $132.6 billion, compared with 8.6 percent growth for the entire economy, government data show.

U.S. exports surged as global economic growth boosted demand for crops, meat and dairy products, while weather damage disrupted supplies of everything from Russian wheat to Chinese pork.

Shipments reached a record $137.4 billion in the year that ended Sept. 30, with China the largest farm-goods buyer, USDA data show. While the government expects a drop to $132 billion in the current fiscal year, that still would be the second- largest ever and 21 percent higher than when President Barack Obama set a goal in 2010 to double all U.S. exports by 2015.

U.S. Unemployment

Unemployment in Midwest states was 7.9 percent in December, tied with the Northeast as the healthiest job region. North Dakota, Nebraska and South Dakota were the only states with unemployment under 5 percent. The national rate fell to 8.3 percent in January from 8.5 percent in December.

Corn will lead the planting surge because it is the most profitable row crop. U.S. mandates for alternative fuels have led to an increased use of the grain to make ethanol, and rising worldwide incomes are boosting meat consumption, increasing requirements for livestock feed. Global production of beef, veal, pork, chicken and turkey will reach almost a quarter of a billion metric tons this year, 62 percent more than two decades ago, the USDA estimates.

An acre of corn will earn as much $150 more than soybeans at current prices and normal weather, said Mike Wagler, 30, who farms about 7,000 acres with his father in Montgomery, Indiana.

“Farmers have the capital to plant a big corn crop this year,” said Wagler, who plans to sow 85 percent of his family’s land with the grain compared with 70 percent last year. “We can make more money raising corn than soybeans.”

North Dakota

In North Dakota, the largest producer of spring wheat, farmers probably will plant record corn and soybean acres this year as they use most of the 5.6 million acres that couldn’t be planted in 2011, said Frayne Olson, an agriculture economist at North Dakota State University in Fargo. Spring-wheat acreage will remain steady, he said.

David Kopseng, a fourth-generation grower on 4,700 acres in Harvey, North Dakota, said he will boost corn planting by 17 percent to 1,400 acres from a year earlier. in 2006, he didn’t sow any of the grain. Improved seeds have boosted yield by about 40 percent in the past decade, making corn at least $50 more profitable than wheat or soybeans, he said.

“We’re going to plant the most corn acres ever,” said the 47-year-old Kopseng. “I’ve been buying some more land and renting more because of corn’s profitability. It’s a great time to be a farmer in North Dakota.” Subscribe to *Obamanomics On Parade*

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#1. To: Brian S (#0)

Farmers Plan Biggest U.S. Crop Boost Since 1984, Led by Corn: Commodities

I hope they aren't putting all their eggs in one basket.

Almost every country in the Middle East is awash in oil, and we have to side with the one that has nothing but joos. Goddamn, that was good thinkin'. Esso posted on 2012-01-13 7:37:56 ET

mininggold  posted on  2012-02-07   12:32:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Brian S (#0)

They will sow corn, soybeans and wheat on 226.9 million acres, the most since 1984, a Bloomberg survey of 36 farmers, bankers and analysts showed.

LMAO! They surveyed 36 farmers and found that 226.9 million acres will be sowed with stuff that is mostly GMO crap.

You can not possibly be that gullible.

eskimo  posted on  2012-02-07   12:49:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: eskimo (#2)

LMAO! They surveyed 36 farmers and found that 226.9 million acres will be sowed with stuff that is mostly GMO crap.

You can not possibly be that gullible.

Read the term analysts as those who collate and analyze data. You do know that most farmers in the US fill out a year end farm report, that also asks the farmer about future plans?

Almost every country in the Middle East is awash in oil, and we have to side with the one that has nothing but joos. Goddamn, that was good thinkin'. Esso posted on 2012-01-13 7:37:56 ET

mininggold  posted on  2012-02-07   13:19:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Brian S (#0)

Of course they're planting all the corn they can, it's subsidized by the taxpayers for that stupid greentard shit-for-brains ethanol idea that runs the price of fuel sky high and trashes marine engines.

Happy Quanzaa  posted on  2012-02-07   13:26:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Happy Quanzaa (#4)

and trashes marine engines.

Anybody that uses that fuel in their marine engine has no business on the open water and deserves to watch the engine 'trashed'.

Never swear "allegiance" to anything other than the 'right to change your mind'!

Brian S  posted on  2012-02-07   14:26:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: mininggold (#3)

Read the term analysts as those who collate and analyze data.

Yeah, government analysts. Are you serious?

eskimo  posted on  2012-02-07   14:43:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: eskimo (#6)

Yeah, government analysts. Are you serious?

Yeah, farming analysis from an 'eskimo'. Are you serious?

{{{chuckle}}}

Never swear "allegiance" to anything other than the 'right to change your mind'!

Brian S  posted on  2012-02-07   14:45:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Brian S (#7)

Yeah, farming analysis from an 'eskimo'. Are you serious?

LOL! That's pretty damned racist stupid of you assume that an Eskimo can not possibly know what is going on these days given the technology available.

eskimo  posted on  2012-02-07   14:59:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: eskimo (#8)

I understand that most of 'you people' are criminals, on the run from the law from the lower 48.

That true?

Never swear "allegiance" to anything other than the 'right to change your mind'!

Brian S  posted on  2012-02-07   15:20:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Brian S (#9)

I understand that most of 'you people' are criminals....

LOL! I guess you really are a stupid racist.

eskimo  posted on  2012-02-07   15:25:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: eskimo (#8)

LOL! That's pretty damned racist stupid of you assume that an Eskimo can not possibly know what is going on these days given the technology available.

So analysts don't work for entities other than governments?

Almost every country in the Middle East is awash in oil, and we have to side with the one that has nothing but joos. Goddamn, that was good thinkin'. Esso posted on 2012-01-13 7:37:56 ET

mininggold  posted on  2012-02-07   21:03:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: mininggold (#11)

It is propaganda with a recognizable signature.

eskimo  posted on  2012-02-08   2:03:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: eskimo (#12)

It is propaganda with a recognizable signature.

I agree, it has Cargill and ADM written all over it.

Almost every country in the Middle East is awash in oil, and we have to side with the one that has nothing but joos. Goddamn, that was good thinkin'. Esso posted on 2012-01-13 7:37:56 ET

mininggold  posted on  2012-02-08   2:23:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: mininggold (#13)

I agree, it has Cargill and ADM written all over it.

Yes, big agra owns a lot of government. One might say they are government and have a vested interest in propagating this type of politically expedient excrement du jour.

eskimo  posted on  2012-02-08   2:53:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Brian S (#5)

Anybody that uses that fuel in their marine engine has no business on the open water and deserves to watch the engine 'trashed'.

In most places it's extremely hard to find gasoline that "DOESN'T have ethanol added to it.....

pure-gas.org/

Leftards only remaining big issue is abortion because of their beloved sexual revolution. That's their cause: Spreading anarchy and polymorphous perversity. Abortion permits that.

CZ82  posted on  2012-02-08   7:07:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: Brian S (#5)

People already had marine engines in their boats when the ethanol was forced on them, you moron. Ethanol is all that's available. WTF are they supposed do Shit-For-Brains, buy giant fucking oars or something?

Happy Quanzaa  posted on  2012-02-08   9:32:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: Happy Quanzaa (#15)

Ethanol is all that's available. WTF are they supposed do Shit-For-Brains

Fuck you are stupid!

Any marina that is worthy of the name will have 'marine fuel' that does not contain ethanol.

Never swear "allegiance" to anything other than the 'right to change your mind'!

Brian S  posted on  2012-02-08   11:26:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Brian S (#17)

Go up and down the East Coast and tell me where I can find one, but don't tell the government because they'll lock up the owner and shut the marina down.
BECAUSE IT'S FUCKING ILLEGAL TO SELL ANYTHING BUT 10% ETHANOL YOU MORON!

Happy Quanzaa  posted on  2012-02-08   11:32:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: Happy Quanzaa (#18) (Edited)

You should have looked at CZ's link pure-gas.org

Just in Michigan alone, one can purchase ethanol-free petro:

So much for the 'BECAUSE IT'S FUCKING ILLEGAL TO SELL ANYTHING BUT 10% ETHANOL YOU MORON!' {{{chuckle}}}

63 Pure Gas Stations in Michigan

City

BrandOctaneNameStreet AddressGPS*

ArcadiaUNBRANDED90 Max's Station17135 Sixth St. (M-22)

N44.49292 W86.23200

BaragaUNBRANDED92

The Pines Convenience CenterThe Pines Convenience Center 501 Us Hwy 41 N Squaw Beach Dr

not available

Beaver Island

UNBRANDEDIsland Energies36789 Kings Highway

N45.73588 W85.52577

BellaireUNBRANDED90 Dewitt Marine6509 Crystal Springs Road

N44.93662 W85.27966

BessemerBP91

Stempihar Bp117 East Lead St

N46.48110 W90.05211

Boyne City

UNBRANDED87 F. Grant Moore Municipal Marina599 Front Street

N45.21010 W85.02180

CalumetUNBRANDED92 Keweenaw Co-Op200 6th St.

N47.24530 W88.45375

CedarvilleVALVTECT

Cedarville Marine100 Hodeck Street

not available

Cedarville

SHELLTassier's1011 South Islington Road

N45.98612 W84.35832

ChesterfieldUNBRANDED90 Anglers Point Marina28955 William P Rosso

N42.63097 W82.82153

Chesterfield TownshipUNBRANDED89

Anglers Point Marina‎28955 William P Rosso Hwy

N42.37900 W82.49116

Crystal Falls

CENEX91 Crystal Oil Inc.3 N 5th St

N46.09675 W88.33419

Drummond IslandUNBRANDED91 Wazz's Party Plus29582 E. Channel Road

N45.99892 W83.75425

East JordanUNBRANDED

Swan Valley Marina2474 M-66 S. (Mich Hwy 66)

N45.16860 W85.15750

Erie

UNBRANDED87 Lost Peninsula Marina6300 Edgewater Drive

N41.73347 W83.46311

EscanabaBP91 Carne's Bp2300 Ludington Street

N45.74565 W87.07952

EvartSUNOCO90

Sunoco317 W. 7th St

N43.90060 W85.26230

Fairgrove

UNBRANDEDFairgrove Oil And Gas1788 Main

N43.51847 W83.54326

FerrysburgCITGOTri-City Oil Company523 Pine Street

N43.08116 W86.21286

FrankfortMARATHON92 Bayview

Main Street

not available

GaylordMARATHON

91 Johnson Oil Marathon502 W. Otsego Ave. (At 4th Street)

N45.03224 W84.67716

GibraltarMARATHON89 Gibraltar Boat Yard28731 N Gibraltar Rd

N42.09600 W83.19184

GibraltarAMOCO89 Humbug Marina

13400 Middle Gibraltar Rd

N42.09507 W83.19000

GladstonePHILLIPS 66

93 North Bluff Groceries, Inc.6287 State Hwy M-35

N45.85530 W87.04845

Grand HavenCITGOJerry's Citgo5 North Beacon (Rt. 31)

N43.06124 W86.22091

Grand MaraisUNBRANDED91 Bayshore MarketH58 At M77

N46.67189 W85.98507

Grosse IleMARATHON90

Richardson's Service7764 Macomb St.

N42.13016 W83.14305

Hale

UNBRANDED90 Londo Lakes Store8585 Levere Rd.

N44.35648 W83.86821

HamtramckUNBRANDED87 89 92 Botsford Campau12045 Joseph Campau

N42.40500 W83.06341

HarrisonMARATHON92

Quick Stop419 North Clare Ave

N43.99241 W84.78343

Hessel

UNBRANDED89 E. J. Mertaugh Boat Works Boatyard & Marina296 Hessel Point Road

N45.99810 W84.41459

HollandUNBRANDEDAnchorage Marina Fuel Dock1800 Ottawa Beach Road

N42.79235 W86.18590

HoughtonFREEDOM87 89 91

Freedom Value Center107 W Montezuma Avenue

N47.12116 W88.57326

Lake Linden

SHELL92 Louie's Super Foods53115 State Highway M-26

not available

LasalleUNBRANDEDToledo Beach Marina11840 Toledo Beach Rd

not available

LinwoodUNBRANDED90

Northwest EnergyS. Huron Road

N43.73872 W83.97618

Mancelona

BP90 Derrers North1234 Us 131

N44.89563 W85.06792

ManistiqueMARATHON91 Lake Shore Oil Company216 Deer Street

N45.96327 W86.25405

MarshallUNBRANDED90

Brooks Field1243 S. Kalamazoo Avenue

N42.25422 W84.96384

Monroe

UNBRANDED93 Trout's Yacht Basin7970 Bolles Harbor Drive

N41.87270 W83.38561

MunisingUNBRANDEDHillside Party Store1201 W State Hwy 28

N46.42372 W86.66377

MunisingSHELL91

Nelson Oil Of Munising, Inc.203 E Munising Av

N46.41097 W86.65324

Muskegon

UNBRANDED85 Pic N Pac5187 Henry St.

N43.15844 W86.26428

OntonagonMARATHONM 64 Truck Stop1003 State Highway M64

N45.86468 W89.33300

OscodaMARATHON89

Gary Oil5130 N Us-23

N44.25000 W83.19000

Petoskey

VALVTECT89 Petoskey City Marina201 Bay Front Drive

N45.37608 W84.95955

PlainwellMARATHON90 Ridderman & Son's

580 10th St

N42.46373 W85.64195

Rapid RiverMOBIL

93 Rapid River Mini Mart7668 U.S. Highway 2

N45.92639 W86.97694

ReadingUNBRANDED87 Roost Oil Co6551 S Edon Road (M-49)

N41.82858 W84.74781

RockfordMOBIL92 J & H Oil

8501 Algoma Avenue Norhteast

N43.11855 W85.61083

RockfordMOBIL

93 Rockford J&H Family Store8501 Algoma

N43.11855 W85.61083

RoscommonUNBRANDED89 B&B Marina431 Clare Blvd.

N44.51058 W84.73788

RoscommonUNBRANDED89

Gerrish Township Community Park Marina103 Mill St.

N44.42842 W84.70379

Shelbyville

MOBIL91 Mobil South Shore Gun Lake11937 Marsh Rd

N42.58743 W85.52231

South HavenVALVTECT87 All Seasons Marine234 Black River St

N42.40604 W86.27675

SpartaUNBRANDED87

Sparta Airport 8d49100 Vinton

N43.13088 W85.68030

St. Claire Shores

BP91 Miller Marina24770 E. Jefferson Ave.

N42.47493 W82.88931

Traverse CityMARATHON90 Courtade'sHigh Lake Rd.

not available

Traverse CityMARATHON90

Courtade's Trading Center233 High Lake Road

N44.68936 W85.51172

Traverse City

UNBRANDED90 Long Lake Grocery9374 North Long Lake Road

N44.74770 W85.76426

WaterfordUNBRANDED89 Club Royale Marina4300 Cass Elizabeth

N42.62440 W83.36827

WatersmeetBP89 91

Gateway BpN1701 Hwy 45

not available

West Olive

TORCO-BRENNER OIL87 Torco West Olive6789 Butternut Dr

N42.89139 W86.19794

*GPS coordinates may be located from the supplied address, and may not be accurate. View the station details.

Never swear "allegiance" to anything other than the 'right to change your mind'!

Brian S  posted on  2012-02-08   11:58:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: Brian S .Happy Quanzaa (#19)

63 Pure Gas Stations in Michigan

Maybe old Quanzaa has hit on a market niche he can exploit... building a marine engine that will tolerate ethanol.

Almost every country in the Middle East is awash in oil, and we have to side with the one that has nothing but joos. Goddamn, that was good thinkin'. Esso posted on 2012-01-13 7:37:56 ET

mininggold  posted on  2012-02-08   12:16:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: mininggold (#20)

Maybe old Quanzaa has hit on a market niche he can exploit.

Must mean only 'up and down the east coast'!

Oh...but wait, there's more. According to pure-gas.org, Virginia have only 190 outlets that sell pure petro.

Maybe they have reclassified Virginia as not being on the east coast.

{{{chuckle}}}

Never swear "allegiance" to anything other than the 'right to change your mind'!

Brian S  posted on  2012-02-08   12:32:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: Brian S (#21)

Must mean only 'up and down the east coast'!

Oh...but wait, there's more. According to pure-gas.org, Virginia have only 190 outlets that sell pure petro.

Maybe they have reclassified Virginia as not being on the east coast.

{{{chuckle}}}

He could be an industry giant if he'd only stop whining and wringing his hands.

Almost every country in the Middle East is awash in oil, and we have to side with the one that has nothing but joos. Goddamn, that was good thinkin'. Esso posted on 2012-01-13 7:37:56 ET

mininggold  posted on  2012-02-08   12:38:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: mininggold (#22)

He could be an industry giant if he'd only stop whining and wringing his hands.

Happy Q ought to think about partnering with bad-lies. "They" would be unstoppable, indeed!

Never swear "allegiance" to anything other than the 'right to change your mind'!

Brian S  posted on  2012-02-08   12:55:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: Brian S (#19)

I'm on the southeast coast, WTF the government allows in Michigan don't mean jack shit here. Tell me how many marinas sell ethanol free fuel in VA, NC, SC, GA, & FL. It ain't here you dumbass libtard turd brain.

Happy Quanzaa  posted on  2012-02-08   15:45:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: mininggold, Brian S (#20)

You shit-4-brains morons, I live here. Drive up and down I-95 from MD to FL and tell me how many ethanol free gas stations you can find.

Happy Quanzaa  posted on  2012-02-08   15:50:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: Happy Quanzaa (#24)

I'm on the southeast coast, WTF the government allows in Michigan don't mean jack shit here. Tell me how many marinas sell ethanol free fuel in VA, NC, SC, GA, & FL. It ain't here you dumbass libtard turd brain.

Then open a station. Surely one of your vulture capital friends can supply you the dough. Sounds like you are having an anxiety attack when you should be taking advantage of a business opportunity.

Almost every country in the Middle East is awash in oil, and we have to side with the one that has nothing but joos. Goddamn, that was good thinkin'. Esso posted on 2012-01-13 7:37:56 ET

mininggold  posted on  2012-02-08   16:09:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: mininggold (#26)

Then open a station

You dunce, it's not Big Gas Station's fault they don't have ethanol free gasoline, it's big fucking Tree Hugging Libtard Federal Government EPA's fault. I might as well sell crack cocaine, it's just as illegal, you simple-minded POS.

Happy Quanzaa  posted on  2012-02-08   16:36:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: Happy Quanzaa (#27)

You dunce, it's not Big Gas Station's fault they don't have ethanol free gasoline, it's big fucking Tree Hugging Libtard Federal Government EPA's fault. I might as well sell crack cocaine, it's just as illegal, you simple-minded POS.

Then how are those stations with pure gas able to obtain it?

Almost every country in the Middle East is awash in oil, and we have to side with the one that has nothing but joos. Goddamn, that was good thinkin'. Esso posted on 2012-01-13 7:37:56 ET

mininggold  posted on  2012-02-08   16:39:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: Happy Quanzaa, mininggold (#25)

You shit-4-brains morons, I live here. Drive up and down I-95 from MD to FL and tell me how many ethanol free gas stations you can find.

Okay. I'll play this one last time because you are losing quite badly here on this issue and I care not embarrass you further.

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Brian S  posted on  2012-02-08   16:54:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: Brian S (#29)

You fucking idiot, I've seen that list before, I've tried to find ethanol free fuel. On the water getting fuel ain't like driving to the corner convenience store. Lynnhaven Inlet takes 2 1/2 hours to get to from Norfolk Naval Base, Gwynn's Island 4 hours, & they're the closest. WTF good does that do me? Moron, if the Federal Government greentards hadn't fucked everything up there would be ethanol free fuel available everywhere, instead of a measly few inaccessible pockets.

Happy Quanzaa  posted on  2012-02-08   17:56:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: Happy Quanzaa (#30) (Edited)

You are just fucking stupid. You said it didn't exist and is illegal to sell. Fail!

You have had your ass kicked here on this thread but I realize you haven't the capabilities to admit it.

Bye. I'm done with stupid.

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Brian S  posted on  2012-02-08   21:14:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: Brian S (#29)

Just FYI it is illegal to sell gasoline without ethanol for auto fill-ups. That you can get ethanol-free gas for boats at selected marine locations doesn't change the equation. I inquired about this very specifically, unfortunately there's no reasonable way to get ethanol-free gas to operate an automobile unless you happen to be on the coast and be lucky enough to live near one of those marine outlets and nobody gets in your face about gassing up a car with it. Lots of "ifs".

While you are technically correct with your point, it seems you have missed the essence of the problem, which is that for the vast majority of people ethanol-free gas is not available, by law.

thoughtomator  posted on  2012-02-09   2:18:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: thoughtomator (#32)

The discussion of ethonal gasoline came up in the context of marine engines.

See comment #4.

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Brian S  posted on  2012-02-09   11:45:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: Brian S (#33)

Look at that, so it was. Apologizes for only reading the last couple of comments in the thread.

Me, I want ethanol-free gas for my car.

thoughtomator  posted on  2012-02-09   12:01:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: thoughtomator (#32)

Just FYI it is illegal to sell gasoline without ethanol for auto fill-ups. That you can get ethanol-free gas for boats at selected marine locations doesn't change the equation. I inquired about this very specifically, unfortunately there's no reasonable way to get ethanol-free gas to operate an automobile unless you happen to be on the coast and be lucky enough to live near one of those marine outlets and nobody gets in your face about gassing up a car with it. Lots of "ifs".

Marine gas selling outfits usually allow gas cans to be filled up too. Nevada has a location in Stateline which is on Lake Tahoe.

Almost every country in the Middle East is awash in oil, and we have to side with the one that has nothing but joos. Goddamn, that was good thinkin'. Esso posted on 2012-01-13 7:37:56 ET

mininggold  posted on  2012-02-09   12:09:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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