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Business Title: How Government Creates Unemployment How Government Creates Unemployment
Economics isn’t hard, unless you’re a liberal. Republican governor Chris Christie mocked a network graphic insisting that 55 percent of New Jersey residents think he’ll be Vice President and 68 percent don’t. In case you don’t see the problem with these numbers, 68% + 55% = 123%. We’ve heard about giving “100 and 10 percent,” but that’s a sports number. Christie remarked about the 123% number, “That sounds like Democratic math!” Indeed. The same is true when it comes to things like youth unemployment. They can’t understand how the unemployment numbers for teenagers is so high. It’s quite simple: minimum wage laws. It used to be that when two people competed for the same job, the person who could undercut the cost an employer had to pay was in the running for the job, even if he didn’t have a lot of experience. An employer could take a risk on someone with a lack of experience because he didn’t have to pay him what an experienced worker might demand. Many of the jobs available to teens were low skilled anyway. By making it illegal to pay someone less than a government-mandated minimum wage, those with less experience are at a disadvantage. Employing teenagers is now a classic Catch-22 dilemma. “Do you have experience?,” the shop owner asks. Knowing how to add, the teenager is honest and shows initiative by answering, “No, but I’m willing to work at a lower wage to gain experience.”
“Sorry,” the shop owner says. “I would be breaking the law if I hired you for any amount less than the minimum wage. I can hire someone with experience at the same wage I’d have to hire you.” “But I can’t get experience if you won’t hire me.” “Tough luck. Write your congressman.” Brian Levine, co-owner of Tropical Smoothie Café knows how to add, but he also knows the law and the logic of the market place: “A lot of it comes down to what we can afford, versus the hours they’re available to work. We are more or less, the minimum wage type of place. I would obviously prefer to pay minimum wage, but I’d also go for an adult and pay them an extra dollar an hour. They’re available, have more experience and are quicker to train.” Renee Ward, founder of job posting site Teens4Hire.org, can also add. “If you have two candidates for a job, and one has experience and will take $10 an hour, and the other is a teen with no experience, who do you think would get the job? When jobs aren’t there for anyone, it’s that much harder.” Once again, government is the problem not the solution to job growth. Post Comment Private Reply Ignore Thread Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest “That sounds like Democratic math!” Indeed. Riiight...everyone knows that in GOP math you have to SUBTRACT those two numbers to get 123. I'll believe that a corporation is a person 1 second after Texas executes one... #2. To: CZ82 (#0) By making it illegal to pay someone less than a government-mandated minimum wage, those with less experience are at a disadvantage. Employing teenagers is now a classic Catch-22 dilemma. I wonder what the unemployment rate is for teens in Somalia. Economics is a social phenomenon and in no way a “science”, no matter how desperately its high priests would like to have it believed otherwise. It is, instead, a branch of anthropology and the sooner that is recognized and accepted, the better off human-kind in general and the world of academic economics, in particular, shall be proximity1 We probably will see widespread civil disorder in the 1980s, as a direct result of our faltering economic system. Ron Paul #3. To: lucysmom (#2) I wonder what the unemployment rate is for teens in Somalia. What would Somalia have to do with anything? That is a weird statement. Kind of like you didn't read the article.
#4. To: A K A Stone (#3) What would Somalia have to do with anything? It is a country with very little government interference. If government imposed minimum wages result in high unemployment for teenagers, then there should be lots of jobs for teenagers in Somalia. Read The Rule of Law without the State Economics is a social phenomenon and in no way a “science”, no matter how desperately its high priests would like to have it believed otherwise. It is, instead, a branch of anthropology and the sooner that is recognized and accepted, the better off human-kind in general and the world of academic economics, in particular, shall be proximity1 We probably will see widespread civil disorder in the 1980s, as a direct result of our faltering economic system. Ron Paul #5. To: lucysmom (#4) It is a country with very little government interference. If government imposed minimum wages result in high unemployment for teenagers, then there should be lots of jobs for teenagers in Somalia. I have to be blunt. That is one of the stupidest things I have ever heard. You think if we get rid of the minimuum wage we would be the same as Somalia? That is ridiculously stupid. Our country is more the minimum wage. That was lame. Thanks for showing me that liberals aren't serious thinkers.
#6. To: A K A Stone (#5) You think if we get rid of the minimuum wage we would be the same as Somalia? It is ridiculously stupid...YOUR conclusion that is. The minimum wage has nothing to do with whether or not teens in this nation are employed or unemployed. I'll believe that a corporation is a person 1 second after Texas executes one... #7. To: war (#6) It is ridiculously stupid...YOUR conclusion that is. I'm not the one comparing our country to Somalia. You too? lol.
#8. To: war (#1) “That sounds like Democratic math!” Indeed. With some of them that's true...... Quiz of the Day: Who made the statement "The world would be a better place if only Men were to vote?????? HINT: It was a woman!!! #9. To: A K A Stone (#7) Neither was LM... I'll believe that a corporation is a person 1 second after Texas executes one... #10. To: war (#9) Ok war whatever you say. Lucysmom-"If government imposed minimum wages result in high unemployment for teenagers, then there should be lots of jobs for teenagers in Somalia. "
#11. To: CZ82 (#0) I do think there should be a minimum wage though. If not greedy companies would pay less then enough to live on.
#12. To: lucysmom (#2) I wonder what the unemployment rate is for teens in Somalia. My guess is it's probably more than the current rate we have here somewhere in the 25-30% range..... With some groups being right at 50% or higher..... In fact in our own countries capital it's 50%...... Boy I'll bet that's really impressing other countries around the world, especially the Communist/Socialist ones!!!!! They're thinking/saying "Boy are those Americans sure stupid for electing people that drag them down to our level".... and laughing their asses off to boot.. Quiz of the Day: Who made the statement "The world would be a better place if only Men were to vote?????? HINT: It was a woman!!! #13. To: A K A Stone (#11) I do think there should be a minimum wage though. If not greedy companies would pay less then enough to live on. And if companies had to pay those people enough to live on what do you think that would do to the prices of everything in this country?????? Skyrocket!!! So in essence you wouldn't accomplish what you set out to do....... Quiz of the Day: Who made the statement "The world would be a better place if only Men were to vote?????? HINT: It was a woman!!! #14. To: CZ82 (#13) And if companies had to pay those people enough to live on what do you think that would do to the prices of everything in this country?????? Skyrocket!!! I don't know. We've had the min wage for decades. We prospered under it. The minimum wage isn't that much money anyway. It is not like the min wage is 25 bucks an hour. Just my opinion.
#15. To: CZ82 (#13) The minimum wage isn't really enough to live on already.
#16. To: A K A Stone (#14) And if companies had to pay those people enough to live on what do you think that would do to the prices of everything in this country?????? Skyrocket!!! So in essence you wouldn't accomplish what you set out to do....... Lets say for instance you are paying your helpers $15 per hour, and he wants a raise up to $20 per hour..... where is that money going to come from out of your pocket or your customers pocket???? Quiz of the Day: Who made the statement "The world would be a better place if only Men were to vote?????? HINT: It was a woman!!! #17. To: A K A Stone (#15) The minimum wage isn't really enough to live on already. No it isn't.... But most of those making minimum wage are still living with Mommy and Daddy...... Quiz of the Day: Who made the statement "The world would be a better place if only Men were to vote?????? HINT: It was a woman!!! #18. To: CZ82 (#16) Lets say for instance you are paying your helpers $15 per hour, and he wants a raise up to $20 per hour..... where is that money going to come from out of your pocket or your customers pocket???? It will come out of both pockets. :) I don't support ridiculously high minimum wage. I just think there should be a minimum so people aren't exploited. In this economy if there was no minimum wage do you think there would be jobs paying 4 bucks an hour? Who can live on that?
#19. To: A K A Stone (#10) Lucysmom-"If government imposed minimum wages result in high unemployment for teenagers, then there should be lots of jobs for teenagers in Somalia. " I know what she wrote. Thanks. Wherein that statement is there a reference to any nation other than Somalia? I'll believe that a corporation is a person 1 second after Texas executes one... #20. To: war (#19) She is comparing U.S. to Somalia.
#21. To: A K A Stone (#18) In this economy if there was no minimum wage do you think there would be jobs paying 4 bucks an hour? Who can live on that? What is it now $7 something per hour... Is that enough to live on??? NO!!! Quiz of the Day: Who made the statement "The world would be a better place if only Men were to vote?????? HINT: It was a woman!!! #22. To: A K A Stone, mininggold, CZ82 (#5) You think if we get rid of the minimuum wage we would be the same as Somalia? That is ridiculously stupid. Our country is more the minimum wage. That was lame. Nope. I suggested that if the author's thesis, no government imposed minimum wage was a job creator, Somalia - according to the theory - should provide lots of jobs to teenagers. I wrote that for the same reason that mininggold asks for an example of a functioning free market in the real world, to answer the question, what happens when the rubber meets the road. Economics is a social phenomenon and in no way a “science”, no matter how desperately its high priests would like to have it believed otherwise. It is, instead, a branch of anthropology and the sooner that is recognized and accepted, the better off human-kind in general and the world of academic economics, in particular, shall be proximity1 We probably will see widespread civil disorder in the 1980s, as a direct result of our faltering economic system. Ron Paul #23. To: CZ82 (#12) They're thinking/saying "Boy are those Americans sure stupid for electing people that drag them down to our level".... and laughing their asses off to boot.. That's so last century! Economics is a social phenomenon and in no way a “science”, no matter how desperately its high priests would like to have it believed otherwise. It is, instead, a branch of anthropology and the sooner that is recognized and accepted, the better off human-kind in general and the world of academic economics, in particular, shall be proximity1 We probably will see widespread civil disorder in the 1980s, as a direct result of our faltering economic system. Ron Paul #24. To: lucysmom (#22) Nope. I suggested that if the author's thesis, no government imposed minimum wage was a job creator, Somalia - according to the theory - should provide lots of jobs to teenagers. I'm not going to let you off that easy. That is stupid. The United States as I mentioned is much more then minimum wage laws. We would have to repeal about a million laws to equal Somalia. Then we would have to adopt a ghetto lifestyle like Obama preaches.
#25. To: CZ82 (#21) What is it now $7 something per hour... Is that enough to live on??? NO!!! No it isn't much to live off very good. If there was no min wage. I think there would be millions and millions of people working for less then 7 bucks an hour.
#26. To: lucysmom (#22) I wrote that for the same reason that mininggold asks for an example of a functioning free market in the real world, There is no free market in Somalia. It is the way of the gun. ming is a loon if she thinks adopting a libertarian philisophy for government would make us Somalia. You two sound racist when you put down a black country like that.
#27. To: CZ82 (#17) No it isn't.... But most of those making minimum wage are still living with Mommy and Daddy...... 51.2% of minimum wage workers are 16-24 years old; 21.2% are 25-34 years old. Economics is a social phenomenon and in no way a “science”, no matter how desperately its high priests would like to have it believed otherwise. It is, instead, a branch of anthropology and the sooner that is recognized and accepted, the better off human-kind in general and the world of academic economics, in particular, shall be proximity1 We probably will see widespread civil disorder in the 1980s, as a direct result of our faltering economic system. Ron Paul #28. To: A K A Stone (#26) (Edited) There is no free market in Somalia. It is the way of the gun. Since libertarians canonot cite an instance where it's been actually tried, how do you know? EWWWW the race card!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! But maybe blacks in some areas of Africa are the true practicing libertarians. And isn't that what conservatives say they want?.... the gun as the only true regulator? Almost every country in the Middle East is awash in oil, and we have to side with the one that has nothing but joos. Goddamn, that was good thinkin'. Esso posted on 2012-01-13 7:37:56 ET #29. To: mininggold (#28) Since libertarians canonot cite an instance where it's been actually tried, how do you know? You brought up Somalia. You are not credible.
#30. To: lucysmom (#27) 51.2% of minimum wage workers are 16-24 years old; 21.2% are 25-34 years old. As usual CZ cites figments of his imagination as sources. Almost every country in the Middle East is awash in oil, and we have to side with the one that has nothing but joos. Goddamn, that was good thinkin'. Esso posted on 2012-01-13 7:37:56 ET #31. To: mininggold (#30) 51.2% of minimum wage workers are 16-24 years old; 21.2% are 25-34 years old. It looks to me like you made them numbers up. I'm calling your bluff. Source it.
#32. To: A K A Stone (#29) You brought up Somalia. You are not credible. And you can't cite one other area of the world where anything close to a truly free unregulated market exists. And you say I lack credibility!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Almost every country in the Middle East is awash in oil, and we have to side with the one that has nothing but joos. Goddamn, that was good thinkin'. Esso posted on 2012-01-13 7:37:56 ET #33. To: A K A Stone (#31) It looks to me like you made them numbers up. I'm calling your bluff. Source it. Why don't you show us your source that disputes it? Almost every country in the Middle East is awash in oil, and we have to side with the one that has nothing but joos. Goddamn, that was good thinkin'. Esso posted on 2012-01-13 7:37:56 ET #34. To: A K A Stone (#26) ming is a loon if she thinks adopting a libertarian philisophy for government would make us Somalia. You still don't get it. Mininggold is asking for an example of a functioning free market - no mention of Somalia. I am suggesting that the absence of a minimum wages resulted in more job creation then we should see some of that happening in Somalia. Libertarians like Somalia more than you think: The Rule of Law without the State
Economics is a social phenomenon and in no way a “science”, no matter how desperately its high priests would like to have it believed otherwise. It is, instead, a branch of anthropology and the sooner that is recognized and accepted, the better off human-kind in general and the world of academic economics, in particular, shall be proximity1 We probably will see widespread civil disorder in the 1980s, as a direct result of our faltering economic system. Ron Paul #35. To: mininggold (#32) And you can't cite one other area of the world where anything close to a truly free unregulated market exists. You can't show me one country that has no faggots in it. That is the problem with the world. That is 100 times smarter then anything you ever said.
#36. To: mininggold (#30) As usual CZ cites figments of his imagination as sources. It boggles the mind. Economics is a social phenomenon and in no way a “science”, no matter how desperately its high priests would like to have it believed otherwise. It is, instead, a branch of anthropology and the sooner that is recognized and accepted, the better off human-kind in general and the world of academic economics, in particular, shall be proximity1 We probably will see widespread civil disorder in the 1980s, as a direct result of our faltering economic system. Ron Paul #37. To: lucysmom (#34) I am suggesting that the absence of a minimum wages resulted in more job creation then we should see some of that happening in Somalia. We aren't Somalia. You sound really dumb when you compare us to Somalia.
#38. To: mininggold (#33) Why don't you show us your source that disputes it? I just know you make stuff up. Apparently you are busted because you can't cite a source.
#39. To: A K A Stone (#31) It looks to me like you made them numbers up. I'm calling your bluff. Source it. Umm - Stone, I posted the numbers. The source is the Department of Labor. Google "minimum wage workers profile" and see what comes up. Economics is a social phenomenon and in no way a “science”, no matter how desperately its high priests would like to have it believed otherwise. It is, instead, a branch of anthropology and the sooner that is recognized and accepted, the better off human-kind in general and the world of academic economics, in particular, shall be proximity1 We probably will see widespread civil disorder in the 1980s, as a direct result of our faltering economic system. Ron Paul #40. To: A K A Stone (#35) You can't show me one country that has no faggots in it. That is the problem with the world. And you still cannot show me one first world country with a truly free unregulated market. I have no idea why you are obsessing about faggots today. It must be your time of the month. Almost every country in the Middle East is awash in oil, and we have to side with the one that has nothing but joos. Goddamn, that was good thinkin'. Esso posted on 2012-01-13 7:37:56 ET #41. To: A K A Stone (#38) (Edited) I just know you make stuff up. Apparently you are busted because you can't cite a source. I wasn't the one who posted it but I've seen the figures before. Almost every country in the Middle East is awash in oil, and we have to side with the one that has nothing but joos. Goddamn, that was good thinkin'. Esso posted on 2012-01-13 7:37:56 ET #42. To: A K A Stone (#37) We aren't Somalia. You sound really dumb when you compare us to Somalia. I'm NOT comparing the US to Somalia. Economics is a social phenomenon and in no way a “science”, no matter how desperately its high priests would like to have it believed otherwise. It is, instead, a branch of anthropology and the sooner that is recognized and accepted, the better off human-kind in general and the world of academic economics, in particular, shall be proximity1 We probably will see widespread civil disorder in the 1980s, as a direct result of our faltering economic system. Ron Paul #43. To: mininggold, A K A Stone (#40) You can't show me one country that has no faggots in it. That is the problem with the world. Yes, and sooner or later you have to deal with the world and its people as it is if you are to develop any system that works in the real world. Economics is a social phenomenon and in no way a “science”, no matter how desperately its high priests would like to have it believed otherwise. It is, instead, a branch of anthropology and the sooner that is recognized and accepted, the better off human-kind in general and the world of academic economics, in particular, shall be proximity1 We probably will see widespread civil disorder in the 1980s, as a direct result of our faltering economic system. Ron Paul #44. To: lucysmom (#42) I'm NOT comparing the US to Somalia. He seems very confused today. Almost every country in the Middle East is awash in oil, and we have to side with the one that has nothing but joos. Goddamn, that was good thinkin'. Esso posted on 2012-01-13 7:37:56 ET #45. To: lucysmom (#42) I'm NOT comparing the US to Somalia. Yes you are. You said Somalia should have low unemployment or whatever. That was in the context of talking about the min wage here. You most certainly did compare us to Somalia. Not only here but regularly.
#46. To: mininggold (#40) And you still cannot show me one first world country with a truly free unregulated market. Is that the reason why every "first world" country is in debt up to their unborn grandchilds eyeballs? Thanks for proving my point.
#47. To: mininggold (#44) He seems very confused today. It doesn't take much to confuse you. Obama screws you and your grandkids and you still support him. You're easily confused.
#48. To: A K A Stone (#20) No she is not. She's addressing a point made in the article, Simp. That reading and comprehending thingie again, eh Stone? I'll believe that a corporation is a person 1 second after Texas executes one... #49. To: A K A Stone (#45) Yes you are. You said Somalia should have low unemployment or whatever. That was in the context of talking about the min wage here. You most certainly did compare us to Somalia. Not only here but regularly. Cite the post where on this thread she did that or admit you are fabricating again to get your way. Almost every country in the Middle East is awash in oil, and we have to side with the one that has nothing but joos. Goddamn, that was good thinkin'. Esso posted on 2012-01-13 7:37:56 ET #50. To: A K A Stone (#45) Yes you are. You said Somalia should have low unemployment or whatever. That was in the context of talking about the min wage here. You most certainly did compare us to Somalia. Not only here but regularly. Nope, wrong again. I'm not comparing anything, I'm checking out how a theory works in practice. Economics is a social phenomenon and in no way a “science”, no matter how desperately its high priests would like to have it believed otherwise. It is, instead, a branch of anthropology and the sooner that is recognized and accepted, the better off human-kind in general and the world of academic economics, in particular, shall be proximity1 We probably will see widespread civil disorder in the 1980s, as a direct result of our faltering economic system. Ron Paul #51. To: lucysmom, war (#50) It is a country with very little government interference. If government imposed minimum wages result in high unemployment for teenagers, then there should be lots of jobs for teenagers in Somalia.
#52. To: A K A Stone (#47) It doesn't take much to confuse you. You again confuse me with not agreeing with you and your fellow libertarian mystics to agreeing with one whom you believe is the opposite. Very BPD like. Almost every country in the Middle East is awash in oil, and we have to side with the one that has nothing but joos. Goddamn, that was good thinkin'. Esso posted on 2012-01-13 7:37:56 ET #53. To: A K A Stone (#45) You said Somalia should have low unemployment or whatever. It doesn't take much to confuse you. Perpetuals since what age? 3? I'll believe that a corporation is a person 1 second after Texas executes one... #54. To: A K A Stone (#51) It is a country with very little government interference. If government imposed minimum wages result in high unemployment for teenagers, then there should be lots of jobs for teenagers in Somalia. Yeah, like I said, checking out how a theory works in the real world. Economics is a social phenomenon and in no way a “science”, no matter how desperately its high priests would like to have it believed otherwise. It is, instead, a branch of anthropology and the sooner that is recognized and accepted, the better off human-kind in general and the world of academic economics, in particular, shall be proximity1 We probably will see widespread civil disorder in the 1980s, as a direct result of our faltering economic system. Ron Paul #55. To: lucysmom (#54) Yeah, like I said, checking out how a theory works in the real world. Yeah. Like I said you are comparing us to Somalia.
#56. To: war (#53) It doesn't take much to confuse you. You vote for murderers. You don't count. Maybe you should try one of those abortions next time.
#57. To: lucysmom (#54) Yeah, like I said, checking out how a theory works in the real world. Yes. You compared us to Somalia. For a "real world example". Problem is our difference from Somalia is more then minimum wage.
#58. To: A K A Stone (#56) You vote for murderers. You don't count. Maybe you should try one of those abortions next time. Now you use the abortion angle to distract when you are unable to to argue the topic. What's with you libertarians? Do you actually think abortions will be illegal in an unregulated free market based "society"? Almost every country in the Middle East is awash in oil, and we have to side with the one that has nothing but joos. Goddamn, that was good thinkin'. Esso posted on 2012-01-13 7:37:56 ET #59. To: A K A Stone (#57) Yes. You compared us to Somalia. For a "real world example". Problem is our difference from Somalia is more then minimum wage. Then why can't you cite a counter example of a free market? Almost every country in the Middle East is awash in oil, and we have to side with the one that has nothing but joos. Goddamn, that was good thinkin'. Esso posted on 2012-01-13 7:37:56 ET #60. To: A K A Stone (#51) I've already read that. I also know what it means. That puts me one up on you. I'll believe that a corporation is a person 1 second after Texas executes one... #61. To: mininggold (#58) Now you use the abortion angle to distract when you are unable to to argue the topic. What's with you libertarians? If you didn't kill the upcoming geneartion you wouldn't have a social security problem.
Why do you liberals hate kids so much? You hate them so you try to kill them in the womb. Then if they are born you still hate them and wont support vouchers so they can get a good education. You want to keep them in public schools to make them dumb.
#62. To: A K A Stone (#61) (Edited) If you didn't kill the upcoming geneartion you wouldn't have a social security problem. I've never killed anyone and I resent the implication. Keep your false accusations to yourself. So where's that free market example you guys are so fond of theorizing the existence of? Abortion will be cheap and legal in one that's truly unregulated. Almost every country in the Middle East is awash in oil, and we have to side with the one that has nothing but joos. Goddamn, that was good thinkin'. Esso posted on 2012-01-13 7:37:56 ET #63. To: war (#60) I've already read that. You must have a reading comprehension problem. Poor little war.
#64. To: mininggold, A K A Stone (#62) Keep your false accusations to yourself. But false accusations are all he's got to argue with. Economics is a social phenomenon and in no way a “science”, no matter how desperately its high priests would like to have it believed otherwise. It is, instead, a branch of anthropology and the sooner that is recognized and accepted, the better off human-kind in general and the world of academic economics, in particular, shall be proximity1 We probably will see widespread civil disorder in the 1980s, as a direct result of our faltering economic system. Ron Paul #65. To: mininggold (#62) I've never killed anyone and I resent the implication. Keep your false accusations to yourself. You voted for Obama. That makes you an accessory to murder.
#66. To: A K A Stone (#65) You voted for Obama. That makes you an accessory to murder. It doesn't matter who I would vote for because the unregulated free market that CZ constantly expounds on would allow anything and everything to happen for a price or a trade. Ron Paul sez so too. We need to 'let the free market take care of it'. He says that all the time. Almost every country in the Middle East is awash in oil, and we have to side with the one that has nothing but joos. Goddamn, that was good thinkin'. Esso posted on 2012-01-13 7:37:56 ET #67. To: A K A Stone (#63) A) LM knew what she meant. B) I knew what she meant. C) Oddly, you insist that what LM wrote and the meaning that she has stated that she had behind those words - a meaning that was quite clear to me - is actually not what she meant. Do you know what that means? You're a moron. I'll believe that a corporation is a person 1 second after Texas executes one... #68. To: war (#67) Let me explain this for you simpleton. We are talking about minimum wage in the United States. Specifically minors. LM said Somalia should have a low unemployment number. You must be really stupid if you don't know that is comparing us to Somalia. Either that or you are a liar. So you're stupid or a liar.
#69. To: A K A Stone. CZ82 (#68) (Edited) et me explain this for you simpleton. She cited a possible example of CZ's theory. It's too bad CZ can't cite his own. Maybe he should consult his American Thinker friends for an example used in Israel. Almost every country in the Middle East is awash in oil, and we have to side with the one that has nothing but joos. Goddamn, that was good thinkin'. Esso posted on 2012-01-13 7:37:56 ET #70. To: mininggold (#69) She cited a possible example of CZ's theory. It's tyoo bad CZ can't cite his own. Maybe he should consult his American Thinker friends for an example used in Israel. Actually. You, LM and other libs regularly cite Somalia as an example on a whole host of issues. It is a disingenuous argument as Somalia is not the United States of America. The differences are far greater then we have a minimum wage and they don't. Fact is Somalia was compared to the United States here numerous times.
#71. To: A K A Stone (#65) You voted for Obama. That makes you an accessory to murder. How does making abortion illegal work out? Abortion rates are higher in countries where the procedure is illegal and nearly half of all abortions worldwide are unsafe, with the vast majority in developing countries, a new study concludes.
www.denverpost.com/nationworld/ci_19771325 In 2008, 47,000 women (and babies BTW) died as the result of unsafe abortions. Another "8.5 million women had serious medical complications." Legalizing abortion does not increase the number preformed, it reduces death rate for women undergoing the procedure. Economics is a social phenomenon and in no way a “science”, no matter how desperately its high priests would like to have it believed otherwise. It is, instead, a branch of anthropology and the sooner that is recognized and accepted, the better off human-kind in general and the world of academic economics, in particular, shall be proximity1 We probably will see widespread civil disorder in the 1980s, as a direct result of our faltering economic system. Ron Paul #72. To: lucysmom (#71) How does making abortion illegal work out? I could care less if they have more abortions. They are not America they are not my country. Murder should always be against the law even if it is the parents doing the murdering. Lets ad in back alley abortions. I would rather see the bitch die then get a "safe abortion". I would support fake abortion clinic sting operations. You go for an abortion and they deliver the baby and execute the bitch for attempted murder.
#73. To: A K A Stone (#68) We are talking about minimum wage in the United States. Specifically minors. Stone, you need to read the article CZ posted. Economics is a social phenomenon and in no way a “science”, no matter how desperately its high priests would like to have it believed otherwise. It is, instead, a branch of anthropology and the sooner that is recognized and accepted, the better off human-kind in general and the world of academic economics, in particular, shall be proximity1 We probably will see widespread civil disorder in the 1980s, as a direct result of our faltering economic system. Ron Paul #74. To: A K A Stone, CZ82 (#70) (Edited) Actually. You, LM and other libs regularly cite Somalia as an example on a whole host of issues. It is a disingenuous argument as Somalia is not the United States of America. The differences are far greater then we have a minimum wage and they don't. Yet you and CZ can't even cite one example to counter it. Somalia is the US after you libertarians are done with it. You two guys are always holding up Israel as an example to emulate, so there should be plenty of free market examples there for you to cite. Almost every country in the Middle East is awash in oil, and we have to side with the one that has nothing but joos. Goddamn, that was good thinkin'. Esso posted on 2012-01-13 7:37:56 ET #75. To: lucysmom (#73) Stone, you need to read the article CZ posted. The same is true when it comes to things like youth unemployment. They can’t understand how the unemployment numbers for teenagers is so high. It’s quite simple: minimum wage laws.
#76. To: mininggold (#74) Somalia is the US after you libertarians are done with it. So finally you come clean. You were comparing us all along. I knew it. You knew it. CZ knew it. LM knew it. I'm not sure if war knew it or not though. He's challenged.
#77. To: A K A Stone (#76) So finally you come clean. You were comparing us all along. I knew it. You knew it. CZ knew it. LM knew it. I'm not sure if war knew it or not though. He's challenged. I never denied "I" did!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You on the other hand evidently have no counter example to cite. Almost every country in the Middle East is awash in oil, and we have to side with the one that has nothing but joos. Goddamn, that was good thinkin'. Esso posted on 2012-01-13 7:37:56 ET #78. To: mininggold, war (#77) I never denied "I" did!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Told ya so.
#79. To: A K A Stone (#78) (Edited) Told ya so Show me where I denied MY using Somalia as an example.
BTW when are you going to accuse CZ of wanting an unregulated, free, abortion service providing market? Almost every country in the Middle East is awash in oil, and we have to side with the one that has nothing but joos. Goddamn, that was good thinkin'. Esso posted on 2012-01-13 7:37:56 ET #80. To: A K A Stone (#75) The same is true when it comes to things like youth unemployment. They can’t understand how the unemployment numbers for teenagers is so high. It’s quite simple: minimum wage laws. Does the author claim that is only true in the US? Economics is a social phenomenon and in no way a “science”, no matter how desperately its high priests would like to have it believed otherwise. It is, instead, a branch of anthropology and the sooner that is recognized and accepted, the better off human-kind in general and the world of academic economics, in particular, shall be proximity1 We probably will see widespread civil disorder in the 1980s, as a direct result of our faltering economic system. Ron Paul #81. To: mininggold, war (#79) Told ya so LM used it too. The told ya was to war. You and LM used it in the same context.
#82. To: lucysmom (#80) Does the author claim that is only true in the US? That is kind of like saying that the back of the pack of kool aid says add sugar but it doesn't tell you not to put pissy toilet water in it.
#83. To: A K A Stone. war (#81) (Edited) LM used it too. Then why is it directed to me, using a post of mine as the example? Almost every country in the Middle East is awash in oil, and we have to side with the one that has nothing but joos. Goddamn, that was good thinkin'. Esso posted on 2012-01-13 7:37:56 ET #84. To: A K A Stone (#72) Lets ad in back alley abortions. I would rather see the bitch die then get a "safe abortion". What about the use of IUDs and the pill? Economics is a social phenomenon and in no way a “science”, no matter how desperately its high priests would like to have it believed otherwise. It is, instead, a branch of anthropology and the sooner that is recognized and accepted, the better off human-kind in general and the world of academic economics, in particular, shall be proximity1 We probably will see widespread civil disorder in the 1980s, as a direct result of our faltering economic system. Ron Paul #85. To: lucysmom (#84) What about the use of IUDs and the pill? I must be dumb. I don't know what IUD's are. If some woman wants to take the pill that is ok I guess.
#86. To: A K A Stone (#82) That is kind of like saying that the back of the pack of kool aid says add sugar but it doesn't tell you not to put pissy toilet water in it. Oh my, Stone. That's way to deep for me. Economics is a social phenomenon and in no way a “science”, no matter how desperately its high priests would like to have it believed otherwise. It is, instead, a branch of anthropology and the sooner that is recognized and accepted, the better off human-kind in general and the world of academic economics, in particular, shall be proximity1 We probably will see widespread civil disorder in the 1980s, as a direct result of our faltering economic system. Ron Paul #87. To: mininggold (#83) Then why is it directed to me, using a post of mine as the example? Maybe because in the back of my mind I kind of think you two are the same.
#88. To: lucysmom (#86) Oh my, Stone. That's way to deep for me. I could have used this example. My old boss was mixing up some putty one day. It took part A and part B. It is made by Abatron. He added some tar stuff. I said why did you think that would work. He said it didn't say you couldn't add the tarry stuff to the mixture. That was pretty much your argument.
#89. To: A K A Stone (#85) I must be dumb. I don't know what IUD's are. If some woman wants to take the pill that is ok I guess. The IUD prevents pregnancy by preventing the fertilized egg from implanting. The pill primarily works by preventing the release of an egg, and secondarily by preventing implantation and is thus classed as an aborficant by right to lifers. Economics is a social phenomenon and in no way a “science”, no matter how desperately its high priests would like to have it believed otherwise. It is, instead, a branch of anthropology and the sooner that is recognized and accepted, the better off human-kind in general and the world of academic economics, in particular, shall be proximity1 We probably will see widespread civil disorder in the 1980s, as a direct result of our faltering economic system. Ron Paul #90. To: A K A Stone, war, Lucysmom (#87) Maybe because in the back of my mind I kind of think you two are the same. You think I'm war or you think I'm Lucy? LOLOL Almost every country in the Middle East is awash in oil, and we have to side with the one that has nothing but joos. Goddamn, that was good thinkin'. Esso posted on 2012-01-13 7:37:56 ET #91. To: lucysmom (#89) I would say if you don't want a kid don't have sex.
#92. To: A K A Stone (#88) That was pretty much your argument. Only if you think the author was writing about the US exclusively rather than an economic theory. Economics is a social phenomenon and in no way a “science”, no matter how desperately its high priests would like to have it believed otherwise. It is, instead, a branch of anthropology and the sooner that is recognized and accepted, the better off human-kind in general and the world of academic economics, in particular, shall be proximity1 We probably will see widespread civil disorder in the 1980s, as a direct result of our faltering economic system. Ron Paul #93. To: mininggold (#90) You think I'm war or you think I'm Lucy? In the back of my mind I think it is possible that you are also LM. I'm not certain of this. But you two agree on everything. When I'm talking to one of you and I mention the other. The other always pops up a few minutes later. You two always tag team to try to get your point across.
#94. To: lucysmom (#92) Only if you think the author was writing about the US exclusively rather than an economic theory. Only the U.S. was mentioned as far as I recall. But I just skimmed through the article.
#95. To: A K A Stone (#91) I would say if you don't want a kid don't have sex. Good luck with that! Economics is a social phenomenon and in no way a “science”, no matter how desperately its high priests would like to have it believed otherwise. It is, instead, a branch of anthropology and the sooner that is recognized and accepted, the better off human-kind in general and the world of academic economics, in particular, shall be proximity1 We probably will see widespread civil disorder in the 1980s, as a direct result of our faltering economic system. Ron Paul #96. To: A K A Stone (#88) My old boss was mixing up some putty one day. It took part A and part B. It is made by Abatron. He added some tar stuff. I said why did you think that would work. He said it didn't say you couldn't add the tarry stuff to the mixture. Buy it already mixed, it's just as cheap. The new vinyl stuff is great. Almost every country in the Middle East is awash in oil, and we have to side with the one that has nothing but joos. Goddamn, that was good thinkin'. Esso posted on 2012-01-13 7:37:56 ET #97. To: lucysmom (#95) Good luck with that! Well that is what happens.
#98. To: A K A Stone (#94) Only the U.S. was mentioned as far as I recall. But I just skimmed through the article. The United States wasn't mentioned once. Economics is a social phenomenon and in no way a “science”, no matter how desperately its high priests would like to have it believed otherwise. It is, instead, a branch of anthropology and the sooner that is recognized and accepted, the better off human-kind in general and the world of academic economics, in particular, shall be proximity1 We probably will see widespread civil disorder in the 1980s, as a direct result of our faltering economic system. Ron Paul #99. To: mininggold (#96) Buy it already mixed, it's just as cheap. The new vinyl stuff is great. Abatron makes the best wood epoxy/filler I have ever used. You can mainly only get it mail order. It is a good product. The bondo or minwax woodfillers are also good. You can get them at Lowes/Home Depot. The vinyl stuff sucks. It shrinks and dries to slow. It also can't be sawed, planed or drilled. You can replace an entire piece of wood that is gone with the abatron. It takes an artists touch to get it back to the original shape the wood was.
#100. To: A K A Stone (#97) Well that is what happens. No wonder you right to lifers are so cranky. Economics is a social phenomenon and in no way a “science”, no matter how desperately its high priests would like to have it believed otherwise. It is, instead, a branch of anthropology and the sooner that is recognized and accepted, the better off human-kind in general and the world of academic economics, in particular, shall be proximity1 We probably will see widespread civil disorder in the 1980s, as a direct result of our faltering economic system. Ron Paul #101. To: lucysmom (#98) The United States wasn't mentioned once. Read the article. They are talking about the United States.
#102. To: lucysmom (#100) Well that is what happens. No wonder us right to lifers think you right to murderers are sick.
#103. To: A K A Stone (#99) Abatron makes the best wood epoxy/filler I have ever used. You can mainly only get it mail order. It is a good product. The bondo or minwax woodfillers are also good. You can get them at Lowes/Home Depot. All the painters in my area swear by the vinyl. I've used the Minwax in the past. It worked very well. I need to restucco a portion of the house. What do you suggest I use for the epoxy? Almost every country in the Middle East is awash in oil, and we have to side with the one that has nothing but joos. Goddamn, that was good thinkin'. Esso posted on 2012-01-13 7:37:56 ET #104. To: mininggold (#103) Abatron makes the best wood epoxy/filler I have ever used. You can mainly only get it mail order. It is a good product. The bondo or minwax woodfillers are also good. You can get them at Lowes/Home Depot. To patch stucco I would use stucco. Vinly patching stuff is ok for small nail holes and stuff like that. Abatron is for that and many more things. Here is their site. www.abatron.com/ Here is an example of their product. I know it is off topic.
#105. To: mininggold (#103) I've used the Minwax in the past. It worked very well. Minwax is good. I also like their wood hardner. The minwax is overpriced though. The bondo wood filler and some off brand is much cheaper and the exact same thing. Lowes sells one and Home Depot sells the other.
#106. To: A K A Stone (#68) (Edited) Give it up Stone. Your efforts to look more stupid that you already do is impossible. I'll believe that a corporation is a person 1 second after Texas executes one... #107. To: war (#106) You efforts to look more stupid that you already do is impossible. Next time you call someone stupid you should talk in real sentences.
#108. To: A K A Stone (#107) Someone told you that I made a typo? I'll believe that a corporation is a person 1 second after Texas executes one... #109. To: mininggold (#30) But most of those making minimum wage are still living with Mommy and Daddy...... Did you fall off the wagon??? It sounds as if you chugging Nyquil again...... Quiz of the Day: Who made the statement "The world would be a better place if only Men were to vote?????? HINT: It was a woman!!! #110. To: lucysmom (#27) 51.2% of minimum wage workers are 16-24 years old; 21.2% are 25-34 years old. Am I correct in assuming the 20 some % that are left are older retired people supplementing their income???? Quiz of the Day: Who made the statement "The world would be a better place if only Men were to vote?????? HINT: It was a woman!!! #111. To: CZ82 (#110) Could be. Economics is a social phenomenon and in no way a “science”, no matter how desperately its high priests would like to have it believed otherwise. It is, instead, a branch of anthropology and the sooner that is recognized and accepted, the better off human-kind in general and the world of academic economics, in particular, shall be proximity1 We probably will see widespread civil disorder in the 1980s, as a direct result of our faltering economic system. Ron Paul #112. To: lucysmom (#111) Could be. Minimum wage and sub minimum wage workers make up about 6% of the hourly paid workforce.... Now if those statistics you gave me are correct that means for 75% of those 6% it's actually not a problem because they have other income or assistance... So.... Minimun/Sub minimum wages only seem to be a problem for about 1-1/2% of the hourly paid workforce not the total workforce..... So what are we talking about here 1-2 million people???? So what can be done to fix the problem???? My suggestion is the government needs to quit meddling in things it doesn't understand and also to fix the tax system..... By the way the last time the percentage of people in the workforce that are working for minimum wages was this high was in 1979.... (Jimmy Carter)... Coincedence or pattern???? HHmmmmmmm........... Quiz of the Day: Who made the statement "The world would be a better place if only Men were to vote?????? HINT: It was a woman!!! #113. To: CZ82 (#0) (Edited) Republicans are doing their very best to make us look more and more like China. Let's get of the unions, get rid of minimum wages laws, get rid of regulations. I am sure their corporate sponsors would be delirious but the rest of America would suffer.
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