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Title: How Government Creates Unemployment
Source: GFP.com
URL Source: http://godfatherpolitics.com/3254/h ... vernment-creates-unemployment/
Published: Jan 21, 2012
Author: The Godfather
Post Date: 2012-01-21 18:35:56 by CZ82
Keywords: None
Views: 55826
Comments: 113

How Government Creates Unemployment

Economics isn’t hard, unless you’re a liberal. Republican governor Chris Christie mocked a network graphic insisting that 55 percent of New Jersey residents think he’ll be Vice President and 68 percent don’t. In case you don’t see the problem with these numbers, 68% + 55% = 123%. We’ve heard about giving “100 and 10 percent,” but that’s a sports number. Christie remarked about the 123% number, “That sounds like Democratic math!” Indeed.

The same is true when it comes to things like youth unemployment. They can’t understand how the unemployment numbers for teenagers is so high. It’s quite simple: minimum wage laws.

It used to be that when two people competed for the same job, the person who could undercut the cost an employer had to pay was in the running for the job, even if he didn’t have a lot of experience.

An employer could take a risk on someone with a lack of experience because he didn’t have to pay him what an experienced worker might demand. Many of the jobs available to teens were low skilled anyway.

By making it illegal to pay someone less than a government-mandated minimum wage, those with less experience are at a disadvantage. Employing teenagers is now a classic Catch-22 dilemma.

“Do you have experience?,” the shop owner asks.

Knowing how to add, the teenager is honest and shows initiative by answering, “No, but I’m willing to work at a lower wage to gain experience.”

“Sorry,” the shop owner says. “I would be breaking the law if I hired you for any amount less than the minimum wage. I can hire someone with experience at the same wage I’d have to hire you.”

“But I can’t get experience if you won’t hire me.”

“Tough luck. Write your congressman.”

Brian Levine, co-owner of Tropical Smoothie Café knows how to add, but he also knows the law and the logic of the market place:

“A lot of it comes down to what we can afford, versus the hours they’re available to work. We are more or less, the minimum wage type of place. I would obviously prefer to pay minimum wage, but I’d also go for an adult and pay them an extra dollar an hour. They’re available, have more experience and are quicker to train.”

Renee Ward, founder of job posting site Teens4Hire.org, can also add. “If you have two candidates for a job, and one has experience and will take $10 an hour, and the other is a teen with no experience, who do you think would get the job? When jobs aren’t there for anyone, it’s that much harder.”

Once again, government is the problem not the solution to job growth.

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#2. To: CZ82 (#0)

By making it illegal to pay someone less than a government-mandated minimum wage, those with less experience are at a disadvantage. Employing teenagers is now a classic Catch-22 dilemma.

I wonder what the unemployment rate is for teens in Somalia.

lucysmom  posted on  2012-01-21   21:07:24 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: lucysmom (#2)

I wonder what the unemployment rate is for teens in Somalia.

What would Somalia have to do with anything? That is a weird statement. Kind of like you didn't read the article.

A K A Stone  posted on  2012-01-21   21:23:56 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: A K A Stone (#3)

What would Somalia have to do with anything?

It is a country with very little government interference. If government imposed minimum wages result in high unemployment for teenagers, then there should be lots of jobs for teenagers in Somalia.

Read The Rule of Law without the State

mises.org/daily/2701

lucysmom  posted on  2012-01-21   21:51:38 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: lucysmom (#4)

It is a country with very little government interference. If government imposed minimum wages result in high unemployment for teenagers, then there should be lots of jobs for teenagers in Somalia.

I have to be blunt. That is one of the stupidest things I have ever heard.

You think if we get rid of the minimuum wage we would be the same as Somalia? That is ridiculously stupid. Our country is more the minimum wage. That was lame.

Thanks for showing me that liberals aren't serious thinkers.

A K A Stone  posted on  2012-01-22   9:25:52 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: A K A Stone, mininggold, CZ82 (#5)

You think if we get rid of the minimuum wage we would be the same as Somalia? That is ridiculously stupid. Our country is more the minimum wage. That was lame.

Nope. I suggested that if the author's thesis, no government imposed minimum wage was a job creator, Somalia - according to the theory - should provide lots of jobs to teenagers. I wrote that for the same reason that mininggold asks for an example of a functioning free market in the real world, to answer the question, what happens when the rubber meets the road.

lucysmom  posted on  2012-01-22   10:58:33 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: lucysmom (#22)

I wrote that for the same reason that mininggold asks for an example of a functioning free market in the real world,

There is no free market in Somalia. It is the way of the gun.

ming is a loon if she thinks adopting a libertarian philisophy for government would make us Somalia.

You two sound racist when you put down a black country like that.

A K A Stone  posted on  2012-01-22   11:14:03 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: A K A Stone (#26)

ming is a loon if she thinks adopting a libertarian philisophy for government would make us Somalia.

You still don't get it. Mininggold is asking for an example of a functioning free market - no mention of Somalia. I am suggesting that the absence of a minimum wages resulted in more job creation then we should see some of that happening in Somalia.

Libertarians like Somalia more than you think:

The Rule of Law without the State

mises.org/daily/2701

lucysmom  posted on  2012-01-22   11:28:28 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: lucysmom (#34)

I am suggesting that the absence of a minimum wages resulted in more job creation then we should see some of that happening in Somalia.

We aren't Somalia. You sound really dumb when you compare us to Somalia.

A K A Stone  posted on  2012-01-22   11:30:51 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: A K A Stone (#37)

We aren't Somalia. You sound really dumb when you compare us to Somalia.

I'm NOT comparing the US to Somalia.

lucysmom  posted on  2012-01-22   11:36:56 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: lucysmom (#42)

I'm NOT comparing the US to Somalia.

Yes you are. You said Somalia should have low unemployment or whatever. That was in the context of talking about the min wage here. You most certainly did compare us to Somalia. Not only here but regularly.

A K A Stone  posted on  2012-01-22   11:40:30 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: A K A Stone (#45)

Yes you are. You said Somalia should have low unemployment or whatever. That was in the context of talking about the min wage here. You most certainly did compare us to Somalia. Not only here but regularly.

Nope, wrong again. I'm not comparing anything, I'm checking out how a theory works in practice.

lucysmom  posted on  2012-01-22   11:44:36 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#51. To: lucysmom, war (#50)

It is a country with very little government interference. If government imposed minimum wages result in high unemployment for teenagers, then there should be lots of jobs for teenagers in Somalia.

A K A Stone  posted on  2012-01-22   11:45:20 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#60. To: A K A Stone (#51)

I've already read that.

I also know what it means.

That puts me one up on you.

war  posted on  2012-01-22   11:58:45 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#63. To: war (#60)

I've already read that.

You must have a reading comprehension problem.

Poor little war.

A K A Stone  posted on  2012-01-22   12:04:32 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#67. To: A K A Stone (#63)

A) LM knew what she meant.

B) I knew what she meant.

C) Oddly, you insist that what LM wrote and the meaning that she has stated that she had behind those words - a meaning that was quite clear to me - is actually not what she meant.

Do you know what that means?

You're a moron.

war  posted on  2012-01-22   12:11:58 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#68. To: war (#67)

Let me explain this for you simpleton.

We are talking about minimum wage in the United States. Specifically minors.

LM said Somalia should have a low unemployment number.

You must be really stupid if you don't know that is comparing us to Somalia.

Either that or you are a liar.

So you're stupid or a liar.

A K A Stone  posted on  2012-01-22   12:16:13 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#69. To: A K A Stone. CZ82 (#68) (Edited)

et me explain this for you simpleton.

We are talking about minimum wage in the United States. Specifically minors.

LM said Somalia should have a low unemployment number.

You must be really stupid if you don't know that is comparing us to Somalia.

Either that or you are a liar.

So you're stupid or a liar.

She cited a possible example of CZ's theory. It's too bad CZ can't cite his own. Maybe he should consult his American Thinker friends for an example used in Israel.

mininggold  posted on  2012-01-22   12:20:23 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#70. To: mininggold (#69)

She cited a possible example of CZ's theory. It's tyoo bad CZ can't cite his own. Maybe he should consult his American Thinker friends for an example used in Israel.

Actually. You, LM and other libs regularly cite Somalia as an example on a whole host of issues. It is a disingenuous argument as Somalia is not the United States of America. The differences are far greater then we have a minimum wage and they don't.

Fact is Somalia was compared to the United States here numerous times.

A K A Stone  posted on  2012-01-22   12:23:14 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#74. To: A K A Stone, CZ82 (#70) (Edited)

Actually. You, LM and other libs regularly cite Somalia as an example on a whole host of issues. It is a disingenuous argument as Somalia is not the United States of America. The differences are far greater then we have a minimum wage and they don't.

Yet you and CZ can't even cite one example to counter it. Somalia is the US after you libertarians are done with it.

You two guys are always holding up Israel as an example to emulate, so there should be plenty of free market examples there for you to cite.

mininggold  posted on  2012-01-22   12:31:25 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#76. To: mininggold (#74)

Somalia is the US after you libertarians are done with it.

So finally you come clean. You were comparing us all along. I knew it. You knew it. CZ knew it. LM knew it. I'm not sure if war knew it or not though. He's challenged.

A K A Stone  posted on  2012-01-22   12:33:12 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#77. To: A K A Stone (#76)

So finally you come clean. You were comparing us all along. I knew it. You knew it. CZ knew it. LM knew it. I'm not sure if war knew it or not though. He's challenged.

I never denied "I" did!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You on the other hand evidently have no counter example to cite.

mininggold  posted on  2012-01-22   12:35:13 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#78. To: mininggold, war (#77)

I never denied "I" did!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You on the other hand evidently have no counter example to cite.

Almost every country in the Middle East is awash in oil, and we have to side with the one that has nothing but joos. Goddamn, that was good thinkin'. Esso posted on 2012-01-13 7:37:56 ET

mininggold posted on 2012-01-22

Told ya so.

A K A Stone  posted on  2012-01-22   12:37:00 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#79. To: A K A Stone (#78) (Edited)

Told ya so

Show me where I denied MY using Somalia as an example.

BTW when are you going to accuse CZ of wanting an unregulated, free, abortion service providing market?

mininggold  posted on  2012-01-22   12:39:18 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#81. To: mininggold, war (#79)

Told ya so

Show me where I denied MY using Somalia as an example.

LM used it too.

The told ya was to war.

You and LM used it in the same context.

A K A Stone  posted on  2012-01-22   12:41:26 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#83. To: A K A Stone. war (#81) (Edited)

LM used it too.

The told ya was to war.

You and LM used it in the same context.

Then why is it directed to me, using a post of mine as the example?

mininggold  posted on  2012-01-22   12:43:37 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#87. To: mininggold (#83)

Then why is it directed to me, using a post of mine as the example?

Maybe because in the back of my mind I kind of think you two are the same.

A K A Stone  posted on  2012-01-22   12:48:53 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#90. To: A K A Stone, war, Lucysmom (#87)

Maybe because in the back of my mind I kind of think you two are the same.

You think I'm war or you think I'm Lucy?

LOLOL

mininggold  posted on  2012-01-22   12:54:04 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#93. To: mininggold (#90)

You think I'm war or you think I'm Lucy?

In the back of my mind I think it is possible that you are also LM. I'm not certain of this. But you two agree on everything. When I'm talking to one of you and I mention the other. The other always pops up a few minutes later. You two always tag team to try to get your point across.

A K A Stone  posted on  2012-01-22   12:55:39 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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