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Title: How Government Creates Unemployment
Source: GFP.com
URL Source: http://godfatherpolitics.com/3254/h ... vernment-creates-unemployment/
Published: Jan 21, 2012
Author: The Godfather
Post Date: 2012-01-21 18:35:56 by CZ82
Keywords: None
Views: 55916
Comments: 113

How Government Creates Unemployment

Economics isn’t hard, unless you’re a liberal. Republican governor Chris Christie mocked a network graphic insisting that 55 percent of New Jersey residents think he’ll be Vice President and 68 percent don’t. In case you don’t see the problem with these numbers, 68% + 55% = 123%. We’ve heard about giving “100 and 10 percent,” but that’s a sports number. Christie remarked about the 123% number, “That sounds like Democratic math!” Indeed.

The same is true when it comes to things like youth unemployment. They can’t understand how the unemployment numbers for teenagers is so high. It’s quite simple: minimum wage laws.

It used to be that when two people competed for the same job, the person who could undercut the cost an employer had to pay was in the running for the job, even if he didn’t have a lot of experience.

An employer could take a risk on someone with a lack of experience because he didn’t have to pay him what an experienced worker might demand. Many of the jobs available to teens were low skilled anyway.

By making it illegal to pay someone less than a government-mandated minimum wage, those with less experience are at a disadvantage. Employing teenagers is now a classic Catch-22 dilemma.

“Do you have experience?,” the shop owner asks.

Knowing how to add, the teenager is honest and shows initiative by answering, “No, but I’m willing to work at a lower wage to gain experience.”

“Sorry,” the shop owner says. “I would be breaking the law if I hired you for any amount less than the minimum wage. I can hire someone with experience at the same wage I’d have to hire you.”

“But I can’t get experience if you won’t hire me.”

“Tough luck. Write your congressman.”

Brian Levine, co-owner of Tropical Smoothie Café knows how to add, but he also knows the law and the logic of the market place:

“A lot of it comes down to what we can afford, versus the hours they’re available to work. We are more or less, the minimum wage type of place. I would obviously prefer to pay minimum wage, but I’d also go for an adult and pay them an extra dollar an hour. They’re available, have more experience and are quicker to train.”

Renee Ward, founder of job posting site Teens4Hire.org, can also add. “If you have two candidates for a job, and one has experience and will take $10 an hour, and the other is a teen with no experience, who do you think would get the job? When jobs aren’t there for anyone, it’s that much harder.”

Once again, government is the problem not the solution to job growth.

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#23. To: CZ82 (#12)

They're thinking/saying "Boy are those Americans sure stupid for electing people that drag them down to our level".... and laughing their asses off to boot..

That's so last century!

Economics is a social phenomenon and in no way a “science”, no matter how desperately its high priests would like to have it believed otherwise. It is, instead, a branch of anthropology and the sooner that is recognized and accepted, the better off human-kind in general and the world of academic economics, in particular, shall be proximity1

We probably will see widespread civil disorder in the 1980s, as a direct result of our faltering economic system. Ron Paul

lucysmom  posted on  2012-01-22   11:02:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: lucysmom (#22)

Nope. I suggested that if the author's thesis, no government imposed minimum wage was a job creator, Somalia - according to the theory - should provide lots of jobs to teenagers.

I'm not going to let you off that easy. That is stupid. The United States as I mentioned is much more then minimum wage laws.

We would have to repeal about a million laws to equal Somalia. Then we would have to adopt a ghetto lifestyle like Obama preaches.

A K A Stone  posted on  2012-01-22   11:11:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: CZ82 (#21)

What is it now $7 something per hour... Is that enough to live on??? NO!!!

No it isn't much to live off very good.

If there was no min wage. I think there would be millions and millions of people working for less then 7 bucks an hour.

A K A Stone  posted on  2012-01-22   11:12:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: lucysmom (#22)

I wrote that for the same reason that mininggold asks for an example of a functioning free market in the real world,

There is no free market in Somalia. It is the way of the gun.

ming is a loon if she thinks adopting a libertarian philisophy for government would make us Somalia.

You two sound racist when you put down a black country like that.

A K A Stone  posted on  2012-01-22   11:14:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: CZ82 (#17)

No it isn't.... But most of those making minimum wage are still living with Mommy and Daddy......

51.2% of minimum wage workers are 16-24 years old; 21.2% are 25-34 years old.

Economics is a social phenomenon and in no way a “science”, no matter how desperately its high priests would like to have it believed otherwise. It is, instead, a branch of anthropology and the sooner that is recognized and accepted, the better off human-kind in general and the world of academic economics, in particular, shall be proximity1

We probably will see widespread civil disorder in the 1980s, as a direct result of our faltering economic system. Ron Paul

lucysmom  posted on  2012-01-22   11:17:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: A K A Stone (#26) (Edited)

There is no free market in Somalia. It is the way of the gun.

ming is a loon if she thinks adopting a libertarian philisophy for government would make us Somalia.

You two sound racist when you put down a black country like that.

Since libertarians canonot cite an instance where it's been actually tried, how do you know?

EWWWW the race card!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

But maybe blacks in some areas of Africa are the true practicing libertarians. And isn't that what conservatives say they want?.... the gun as the only true regulator?

Almost every country in the Middle East is awash in oil, and we have to side with the one that has nothing but joos. Goddamn, that was good thinkin'. Esso posted on 2012-01-13 7:37:56 ET

mininggold  posted on  2012-01-22   11:21:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: mininggold (#28)

Since libertarians canonot cite an instance where it's been actually tried, how do you know?

You brought up Somalia. You are not credible.

A K A Stone  posted on  2012-01-22   11:22:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: lucysmom (#27)

51.2% of minimum wage workers are 16-24 years old; 21.2% are 25-34 years old.

As usual CZ cites figments of his imagination as sources.

Almost every country in the Middle East is awash in oil, and we have to side with the one that has nothing but joos. Goddamn, that was good thinkin'. Esso posted on 2012-01-13 7:37:56 ET

mininggold  posted on  2012-01-22   11:23:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: mininggold (#30)

51.2% of minimum wage workers are 16-24 years old; 21.2% are 25-34 years old.

As usual CZ cites figments of his imagination as sources.

It looks to me like you made them numbers up. I'm calling your bluff. Source it.

A K A Stone  posted on  2012-01-22   11:24:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: A K A Stone (#29)

You brought up Somalia. You are not credible.

And you can't cite one other area of the world where anything close to a truly free unregulated market exists.

And you say I lack credibility!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Almost every country in the Middle East is awash in oil, and we have to side with the one that has nothing but joos. Goddamn, that was good thinkin'. Esso posted on 2012-01-13 7:37:56 ET

mininggold  posted on  2012-01-22   11:25:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: A K A Stone (#31)

It looks to me like you made them numbers up. I'm calling your bluff. Source it.

Why don't you show us your source that disputes it?

Almost every country in the Middle East is awash in oil, and we have to side with the one that has nothing but joos. Goddamn, that was good thinkin'. Esso posted on 2012-01-13 7:37:56 ET

mininggold  posted on  2012-01-22   11:27:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: A K A Stone (#26)

ming is a loon if she thinks adopting a libertarian philisophy for government would make us Somalia.

You still don't get it. Mininggold is asking for an example of a functioning free market - no mention of Somalia. I am suggesting that the absence of a minimum wages resulted in more job creation then we should see some of that happening in Somalia.

Libertarians like Somalia more than you think:

The Rule of Law without the State

mises.org/daily/2701

Economics is a social phenomenon and in no way a “science”, no matter how desperately its high priests would like to have it believed otherwise. It is, instead, a branch of anthropology and the sooner that is recognized and accepted, the better off human-kind in general and the world of academic economics, in particular, shall be proximity1

We probably will see widespread civil disorder in the 1980s, as a direct result of our faltering economic system. Ron Paul

lucysmom  posted on  2012-01-22   11:28:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: mininggold (#32)

And you can't cite one other area of the world where anything close to a truly free unregulated market exists.

And you say I lack credibility!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You can't show me one country that has no faggots in it. That is the problem with the world.

That is 100 times smarter then anything you ever said.

A K A Stone  posted on  2012-01-22   11:29:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: mininggold (#30)

As usual CZ cites figments of his imagination as sources.

It boggles the mind.

Economics is a social phenomenon and in no way a “science”, no matter how desperately its high priests would like to have it believed otherwise. It is, instead, a branch of anthropology and the sooner that is recognized and accepted, the better off human-kind in general and the world of academic economics, in particular, shall be proximity1

We probably will see widespread civil disorder in the 1980s, as a direct result of our faltering economic system. Ron Paul

lucysmom  posted on  2012-01-22   11:30:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: lucysmom (#34)

I am suggesting that the absence of a minimum wages resulted in more job creation then we should see some of that happening in Somalia.

We aren't Somalia. You sound really dumb when you compare us to Somalia.

A K A Stone  posted on  2012-01-22   11:30:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: mininggold (#33)

Why don't you show us your source that disputes it?

I just know you make stuff up. Apparently you are busted because you can't cite a source.

A K A Stone  posted on  2012-01-22   11:31:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: A K A Stone (#31)

It looks to me like you made them numbers up. I'm calling your bluff. Source it.

Umm - Stone, I posted the numbers.

The source is the Department of Labor.

Google "minimum wage workers profile" and see what comes up.

Economics is a social phenomenon and in no way a “science”, no matter how desperately its high priests would like to have it believed otherwise. It is, instead, a branch of anthropology and the sooner that is recognized and accepted, the better off human-kind in general and the world of academic economics, in particular, shall be proximity1

We probably will see widespread civil disorder in the 1980s, as a direct result of our faltering economic system. Ron Paul

lucysmom  posted on  2012-01-22   11:34:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: A K A Stone (#35)

You can't show me one country that has no faggots in it. That is the problem with the world.

That is 100 times smarter then anything you ever said.

And you still cannot show me one first world country with a truly free unregulated market. I have no idea why you are obsessing about faggots today. It must be your time of the month.

Almost every country in the Middle East is awash in oil, and we have to side with the one that has nothing but joos. Goddamn, that was good thinkin'. Esso posted on 2012-01-13 7:37:56 ET

mininggold  posted on  2012-01-22   11:35:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: A K A Stone (#38) (Edited)

I just know you make stuff up. Apparently you are busted because you can't cite a source.

I wasn't the one who posted it but I've seen the figures before.

Almost every country in the Middle East is awash in oil, and we have to side with the one that has nothing but joos. Goddamn, that was good thinkin'. Esso posted on 2012-01-13 7:37:56 ET

mininggold  posted on  2012-01-22   11:36:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: A K A Stone (#37)

We aren't Somalia. You sound really dumb when you compare us to Somalia.

I'm NOT comparing the US to Somalia.

Economics is a social phenomenon and in no way a “science”, no matter how desperately its high priests would like to have it believed otherwise. It is, instead, a branch of anthropology and the sooner that is recognized and accepted, the better off human-kind in general and the world of academic economics, in particular, shall be proximity1

We probably will see widespread civil disorder in the 1980s, as a direct result of our faltering economic system. Ron Paul

lucysmom  posted on  2012-01-22   11:36:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: mininggold, A K A Stone (#40)

You can't show me one country that has no faggots in it. That is the problem with the world.

Yes, and sooner or later you have to deal with the world and its people as it is if you are to develop any system that works in the real world.

Economics is a social phenomenon and in no way a “science”, no matter how desperately its high priests would like to have it believed otherwise. It is, instead, a branch of anthropology and the sooner that is recognized and accepted, the better off human-kind in general and the world of academic economics, in particular, shall be proximity1

We probably will see widespread civil disorder in the 1980s, as a direct result of our faltering economic system. Ron Paul

lucysmom  posted on  2012-01-22   11:40:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: lucysmom (#42)

I'm NOT comparing the US to Somalia.

He seems very confused today.

Almost every country in the Middle East is awash in oil, and we have to side with the one that has nothing but joos. Goddamn, that was good thinkin'. Esso posted on 2012-01-13 7:37:56 ET

mininggold  posted on  2012-01-22   11:40:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: lucysmom (#42)

I'm NOT comparing the US to Somalia.

Yes you are. You said Somalia should have low unemployment or whatever. That was in the context of talking about the min wage here. You most certainly did compare us to Somalia. Not only here but regularly.

A K A Stone  posted on  2012-01-22   11:40:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: mininggold (#40)

And you still cannot show me one first world country with a truly free unregulated market.

Is that the reason why every "first world" country is in debt up to their unborn grandchilds eyeballs? Thanks for proving my point.

A K A Stone  posted on  2012-01-22   11:41:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: mininggold (#44)

He seems very confused today.

It doesn't take much to confuse you.

Obama screws you and your grandkids and you still support him.

You're easily confused.

A K A Stone  posted on  2012-01-22   11:42:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: A K A Stone (#20)

No she is not.

She's addressing a point made in the article, Simp.

That reading and comprehending thingie again, eh Stone?

I'll believe that a corporation is a person 1 second after Texas executes one...

war  posted on  2012-01-22   11:42:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: A K A Stone (#45)

Yes you are. You said Somalia should have low unemployment or whatever. That was in the context of talking about the min wage here. You most certainly did compare us to Somalia. Not only here but regularly.

Cite the post where on this thread she did that or admit you are fabricating again to get your way.

Almost every country in the Middle East is awash in oil, and we have to side with the one that has nothing but joos. Goddamn, that was good thinkin'. Esso posted on 2012-01-13 7:37:56 ET

mininggold  posted on  2012-01-22   11:43:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: A K A Stone (#45)

Yes you are. You said Somalia should have low unemployment or whatever. That was in the context of talking about the min wage here. You most certainly did compare us to Somalia. Not only here but regularly.

Nope, wrong again. I'm not comparing anything, I'm checking out how a theory works in practice.

Economics is a social phenomenon and in no way a “science”, no matter how desperately its high priests would like to have it believed otherwise. It is, instead, a branch of anthropology and the sooner that is recognized and accepted, the better off human-kind in general and the world of academic economics, in particular, shall be proximity1

We probably will see widespread civil disorder in the 1980s, as a direct result of our faltering economic system. Ron Paul

lucysmom  posted on  2012-01-22   11:44:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#51. To: lucysmom, war (#50)

It is a country with very little government interference. If government imposed minimum wages result in high unemployment for teenagers, then there should be lots of jobs for teenagers in Somalia.

A K A Stone  posted on  2012-01-22   11:45:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: A K A Stone (#47)

It doesn't take much to confuse you.

Obama screws you and your grandkids and you still support him.

You're easily confused.

You again confuse me with not agreeing with you and your fellow libertarian mystics to agreeing with one whom you believe is the opposite. Very BPD like.

Almost every country in the Middle East is awash in oil, and we have to side with the one that has nothing but joos. Goddamn, that was good thinkin'. Esso posted on 2012-01-13 7:37:56 ET

mininggold  posted on  2012-01-22   11:46:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#53. To: A K A Stone (#45)

You said Somalia should have low unemployment or whatever.

It doesn't take much to confuse you.

Perpetuals since what age?

3?

I'll believe that a corporation is a person 1 second after Texas executes one...

war  posted on  2012-01-22   11:47:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#54. To: A K A Stone (#51)

It is a country with very little government interference. If government imposed minimum wages result in high unemployment for teenagers, then there should be lots of jobs for teenagers in Somalia.

Yeah, like I said, checking out how a theory works in the real world.

Economics is a social phenomenon and in no way a “science”, no matter how desperately its high priests would like to have it believed otherwise. It is, instead, a branch of anthropology and the sooner that is recognized and accepted, the better off human-kind in general and the world of academic economics, in particular, shall be proximity1

We probably will see widespread civil disorder in the 1980s, as a direct result of our faltering economic system. Ron Paul

lucysmom  posted on  2012-01-22   11:49:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#55. To: lucysmom (#54)

Yeah, like I said, checking out how a theory works in the real world.

Yeah. Like I said you are comparing us to Somalia.

A K A Stone  posted on  2012-01-22   11:51:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#56. To: war (#53)

It doesn't take much to confuse you.

You vote for murderers. You don't count. Maybe you should try one of those abortions next time.

A K A Stone  posted on  2012-01-22   11:52:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#57. To: lucysmom (#54)

Yeah, like I said, checking out how a theory works in the real world.

Yes. You compared us to Somalia. For a "real world example". Problem is our difference from Somalia is more then minimum wage.

A K A Stone  posted on  2012-01-22   11:55:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#58. To: A K A Stone (#56)

You vote for murderers. You don't count. Maybe you should try one of those abortions next time.

Now you use the abortion angle to distract when you are unable to to argue the topic. What's with you libertarians?

Do you actually think abortions will be illegal in an unregulated free market based "society"?

Almost every country in the Middle East is awash in oil, and we have to side with the one that has nothing but joos. Goddamn, that was good thinkin'. Esso posted on 2012-01-13 7:37:56 ET

mininggold  posted on  2012-01-22   11:57:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#59. To: A K A Stone (#57)

Yes. You compared us to Somalia. For a "real world example". Problem is our difference from Somalia is more then minimum wage.

Then why can't you cite a counter example of a free market?

Almost every country in the Middle East is awash in oil, and we have to side with the one that has nothing but joos. Goddamn, that was good thinkin'. Esso posted on 2012-01-13 7:37:56 ET

mininggold  posted on  2012-01-22   11:58:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#60. To: A K A Stone (#51)

I've already read that.

I also know what it means.

That puts me one up on you.

I'll believe that a corporation is a person 1 second after Texas executes one...

war  posted on  2012-01-22   11:58:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#61. To: mininggold (#58)

Now you use the abortion angle to distract when you are unable to to argue the topic. What's with you libertarians?

Do you actually think abortions will be illegal in an unregulated free market based "society"?

If you didn't kill the upcoming geneartion you wouldn't have a social security problem.

Why do you liberals hate kids so much? You hate them so you try to kill them in the womb. Then if they are born you still hate them and wont support vouchers so they can get a good education. You want to keep them in public schools to make them dumb.

A K A Stone  posted on  2012-01-22   11:59:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#62. To: A K A Stone (#61) (Edited)

If you didn't kill the upcoming geneartion you wouldn't have a social security problem.

I've never killed anyone and I resent the implication. Keep your false accusations to yourself.

So where's that free market example you guys are so fond of theorizing the existence of? Abortion will be cheap and legal in one that's truly unregulated.

Almost every country in the Middle East is awash in oil, and we have to side with the one that has nothing but joos. Goddamn, that was good thinkin'. Esso posted on 2012-01-13 7:37:56 ET

mininggold  posted on  2012-01-22   12:01:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#63. To: war (#60)

I've already read that.

You must have a reading comprehension problem.

Poor little war.

A K A Stone  posted on  2012-01-22   12:04:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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