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Title: Healthcare Doesn’t Need European Style Austerity Measures; It Needs Free-Market
Source: RS.com
URL Source: http://www.redstate.com/dhorowitz3/ ... measures-it-needs-free-market/
Published: Jan 18, 2012
Author: Daniel Horowitz
Post Date: 2012-01-18 06:36:01 by CZ82
Keywords: None
Views: 34418
Comments: 83

Healthcare Doesn’t Need European Style Austerity Measures; It Needs Free-Market

Posted by Daniel Horowitz

“If our goal is to be shielded from any cost of healthcare, we will ultimately be exposed to all costs of healthcare.”

Nothing typifies the inane cycle of government dependency and poverty more than the issue of healthcare. Given that healthcare constitutes 18% of our economy and that millions of Americans are languishing under its crushing costs, it is important that we articulate healthcare reform from a position of strength. We must demonstrate how it is socialist interventions in the marketplace that are responsible for high costs. We must demonstrate how our policies will bring costs under control.

When discussing entitlements, conservatives must remember that the goal of healthcare reform is not to merely cut its costs to the federal budget; it is to alleviate the burden of government-run healthcare on the entire healthcare sector. Any proposal to tweak the outlays for programs such as Medicare, without fundamentally reforming their anti-free-market structure, will only achieve minor savings, cause pain for those suffering from healthcare inflation, and incur the wrath of the largest voting bloc.

Medicare is socialized medicine for those over 65 in all but name only. Its very presence in the market as the 800-pound gorilla has a counterintuitive effect of driving up the cost of healthcare, thereby forcing people to remain dependent on its broad shoulders. Unless Medicare (along with Medicaid) is reformed as a defined contribution voucher system, instead of an open-ended market distorting behemoth, any attempt to raise the eligibility age or cut benefits would severely squeeze older healthcare consumers.

Now we learn that such a proposal would fail to stem the unsustainable trajectory of Medicare costs.

Last week, CBO published a report which suggests that a plan to gradually raise the retirement age from 65 to 67 would save $148 billion over 10 years. That may sound like a large sum, but when compared to projected outlays, it is infinitesimal. According to the most recent CBO budget outlook, Medicare outlays will top $7.4 trillion over the next 10 years, with a 75-year unfunded obligation of $35 trillion. And that is probably a conservative estimate. Thus, pulling the trigger on raising the retirement age and incurring the wrath of seniors will only reduce outlays from $7.4 trillion to $7.25 trillion. We’ll be broke before we reach that point anyway.

Raising the Medicare eligibility age is much less effective than raising the Social Security retirement age because socialized medicine – on every level and for every age group – will induce inflationary pressure on the entire healthcare sector. As the system is currently constituted, many “young seniors” who are retired would not be able to afford health insurance without Medicare, and would be forced onto Medicaid. The CBO estimates that one-quarter of the $148 billion in savings would be wiped out by increased Medicaid spending.

Medicaid’s stranglehold on the marketplace is already increasing as rapidly as Medicare. According to a new report published by Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services (CMS), even though overall healthcare expenditures slowed in 2010, primarily due to the recession and joblessness, government’s share of healthcare spending has increased rapidly. The culprit? Medicaid spending; particularly, federal Medicaid spending.

In total, the government (federal, state, and local) financed 45% of all healthcare expenditures, private businesses funded 21% of expenditures, and personal households accounted for 28% – a historic low. Even part of the business and household share of the financing went towards payroll taxes and premiums which fund… government-run Medicare. Accordingly, over 55% of all healthcare spending is controlled by the government. And that is before Obamacare takes effect.

Are you starting to see a pattern yet?

What we really need is a complete overhaul of the self-perpetuating inflationary government healthcare entities by transforming them to free-market voucher systems. That will drive down costs on the entire healthcare sector, and by extension, will save trillions in superfluous taxpayer-funded spending on third-party entities like Medicare, Medicaid, and SChip. An unencumbered marketplace under a pure voucher system (as described in the original Ryan Roadmap) would be superior to the premium support system of government-run exchanges. It would certainly work better than the revised Ryan plan (Ryan-Wyden), which retains the current Medicare system as an option within premium support. Nonetheless, any reform that introduces more market forces into the system will create downward pressure on healthcare inflation.

Free-market healthcare reform would also necessitate the elimination of onerous government mandates, such as issue guarantee, community rating, and other one-size-fits-all directives that encourage or coerce insurance companies to guarantee coverage and offer similar prices to every individual and every family. We must also remove the barriers that preclude consumers from buying insurance across state lines.

How destructive are these meddlesome mandates on the private sector? They distort the market to such an extent that, despite the decrease in demand for healthcare (as a result of the bad economy), premiums still skyrocketed to record highs. Private insurance companies are recouping the front-loaded costs they will incur under Obamacare mandates, even before they take effect. This is exactly what happened in Massachusetts with Romneycare.

Other reforms would include block granting Medicaid to the states and allowing them to use funds to convert Medicaid and SChip to private insurance vouchers, converting VA benefits to vouchers for private insurance (but supplement all extra costs), and eliminating the tax incentive gap between employer-based insurance and personal insurance. The last reform would involve either the elimination of the employer tax exclusion for health insurance, or the extension of that deduction to individuals who buy health insurance.

Finally, we need to encourage personal responsibility by restoring health insurance to traditional high-cost coverage from its current status as a primary source of payment. Expansion of high deductible health plans and health savings accounts will help reduce third-party market distortions and expose consumers to the actual costs of the services provided. According to the CMS report, only 11% of all health expenditures are paid out-of-pocket. That needs to change. If our goal is to be shielded from any cost of healthcare, we will ultimately be exposed to all costs of healthcare.

Once we institute these reforms, which will generate downward pressure on the cost of healthcare and health insurance, we can discuss raising the eligibility age and cutting benefits to wealthy seniors. It’s good policy, and while entitlement reform will never make for great politics, free-market reforms that drive down costs are easier to sell than pure austerity measures in the current socialist system.

Austere socialism will only accentuate the high cost of living with more poverty. Only comprehensive free-market reforms will save our healthcare system.


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For those of you who still "think" ObozoCare will have a "positive" impact on our Healthcare system........ NOT!!!!

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#44. To: CZ82 (#40)

You seem to think Healthcare should be free so why not those too!!!!!

I guess the concept of universal health insurance as distinct from free health care is too subtle for you to grasp.

Economics is a social phenomenon and in no way a “science”, no matter how desperately its high priests would like to have it believed otherwise. It is, instead, a branch of anthropology and the sooner that is recognized and accepted, the better off human-kind in general and the world of academic economics, in particular, shall be proximity1

We probably will see widespread civil disorder in the 1980s, as a direct result of our faltering economic system. Ron Paul

lucysmom  posted on  2012-01-20   13:02:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: CZ82 (#41)

They're way too old to be on my insurance (Even with the new ObozoCare rules) and they don't seem to have a problem being responsible for their own health or paying on their bills!!!!!

Good for them.

Economics is a social phenomenon and in no way a “science”, no matter how desperately its high priests would like to have it believed otherwise. It is, instead, a branch of anthropology and the sooner that is recognized and accepted, the better off human-kind in general and the world of academic economics, in particular, shall be proximity1

We probably will see widespread civil disorder in the 1980s, as a direct result of our faltering economic system. Ron Paul

lucysmom  posted on  2012-01-20   13:04:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: lucysmom (#42)

As a woman, I am pro women making decisions about what's right for them. That probably doesn't rate very high in your manly family values list.

So in essence it's just a way to clean up the mess after a total lack of thought process used before the act was perpetrated....

You know having the attitude you do about being in total charge of your body it's amazing that you would reliquish that to some dopey bureaucrat that will decide your healthcare needs and treatment for you instead of you doing it yourself!!!!!!!!!!!

Quiz of the Day: Who made the statement "The world would be a better place if only Men were to vote?????? HINT: It was a woman!!!

CZ82  posted on  2012-01-20   18:18:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: lucysmom (#42)

All that personal stuff aside, you still haven't answered the question, But why is it [infant mortality] higher in the US? Are Americans more stupid than the people in 33 other countries?

I did on #38......

And why is it only 33 other countries????? Are those the only ones who have lower rates???? Why not include every country in the world.......

Quiz of the Day: Who made the statement "The world would be a better place if only Men were to vote?????? HINT: It was a woman!!!

CZ82  posted on  2012-01-20   18:24:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: lucysmom (#45)

They're way too old to be on my insurance (Even with the new ObozoCare rules) and they don't seem to have a problem being responsible for their own health or paying on their bills!!!!!

Good for them.

So my question is why can't other people who find themselves in the same situation react the the same way my daughters do??????

Why do they "think" they "deserve" free healthcare???

Quiz of the Day: Who made the statement "The world would be a better place if only Men were to vote?????? HINT: It was a woman!!!

CZ82  posted on  2012-01-20   18:28:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: lucysmom (#44)

I guess the concept of universal health insurance as distinct from free health care is too subtle for you to grasp.

So what is going to change with those who currently can't afford existing healthcare insurance plans and still not being able to afford ObozoCare??????

OOhhhh.... I know...... they will have even less money to seek healthcare because they will be having to pay a fine for not being able to purchase the government sponsored "universal" healthcare insurance!!!!! (almost forgot that little tidbit).....

You do realize that the "end game" of ObozoCare is to institute a single payer system in this country, not leave it up to you.... Don't you????

Quiz of the Day: Who made the statement "The world would be a better place if only Men were to vote?????? HINT: It was a woman!!!

CZ82  posted on  2012-01-20   18:49:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: lucysmom (#43)

How about people who work, aren't offered insurance through their employer, or can't afford the offered insurance, and make too much money to qualify for "programs"?

Isn't that a roundabout way of saying personal possessions are way more important than taking care of ones health????

Quiz of the Day: Who made the statement "The world would be a better place if only Men were to vote?????? HINT: It was a woman!!!

CZ82  posted on  2012-01-20   18:51:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#51. To: lucysmom (#30)

According to a friend who is office manager for a clinic, the paperwork is burdensome, but comes from the private sector, not government.

Have you ever seen the procedure "coding book" they use for private and government health insurance billing requirements??????

My wifes copy is almost 4 inches thick!!!!! But then again my copy of the "Blue Book of New/Used Gun Values" is almost just as thick..... Think there might be a correlation there???? HHmmmmm........

Quiz of the Day: Who made the statement "The world would be a better place if only Men were to vote?????? HINT: It was a woman!!!

CZ82  posted on  2012-01-20   18:59:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: CZ82 (#47)

And why is it only 33 other countries????? Are those the only ones who have lower rates???? Why not include every country in the world.......

You are correct. Compared to Somalia we is doing pretty darn good except in the taxation category.

Economics is a social phenomenon and in no way a “science”, no matter how desperately its high priests would like to have it believed otherwise. It is, instead, a branch of anthropology and the sooner that is recognized and accepted, the better off human-kind in general and the world of academic economics, in particular, shall be proximity1

We probably will see widespread civil disorder in the 1980s, as a direct result of our faltering economic system. Ron Paul

lucysmom  posted on  2012-01-20   19:17:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#53. To: CZ82 (#48)

Why do they "think" they "deserve" free healthcare???

What free health care? I'm talking about universal health care.

Economics is a social phenomenon and in no way a “science”, no matter how desperately its high priests would like to have it believed otherwise. It is, instead, a branch of anthropology and the sooner that is recognized and accepted, the better off human-kind in general and the world of academic economics, in particular, shall be proximity1

We probably will see widespread civil disorder in the 1980s, as a direct result of our faltering economic system. Ron Paul

lucysmom  posted on  2012-01-20   20:33:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#54. To: CZ82 (#49)

You do realize that the "end game" of ObozoCare is to institute a single payer system in this country, not leave it up to you.... Don't you????

I certainly hope so.

Economics is a social phenomenon and in no way a “science”, no matter how desperately its high priests would like to have it believed otherwise. It is, instead, a branch of anthropology and the sooner that is recognized and accepted, the better off human-kind in general and the world of academic economics, in particular, shall be proximity1

We probably will see widespread civil disorder in the 1980s, as a direct result of our faltering economic system. Ron Paul

lucysmom  posted on  2012-01-20   20:35:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#55. To: CZ82 (#50)

Isn't that a roundabout way of saying personal possessions are way more important than taking care of ones health????

No.

It may be a way of saying feeding one's children and seeing that they live indoors takes precedence over buying health insurance.

Economics is a social phenomenon and in no way a “science”, no matter how desperately its high priests would like to have it believed otherwise. It is, instead, a branch of anthropology and the sooner that is recognized and accepted, the better off human-kind in general and the world of academic economics, in particular, shall be proximity1

We probably will see widespread civil disorder in the 1980s, as a direct result of our faltering economic system. Ron Paul

lucysmom  posted on  2012-01-20   20:38:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#56. To: CZ82 (#51)

Have you ever seen the procedure "coding book" they use for private and government health insurance billing requirements??????

So?

Economics is a social phenomenon and in no way a “science”, no matter how desperately its high priests would like to have it believed otherwise. It is, instead, a branch of anthropology and the sooner that is recognized and accepted, the better off human-kind in general and the world of academic economics, in particular, shall be proximity1

We probably will see widespread civil disorder in the 1980s, as a direct result of our faltering economic system. Ron Paul

lucysmom  posted on  2012-01-20   20:40:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#57. To: lucysmom (#56)

Have you ever seen the procedure "coding book" they use for private and government health insurance billing requirements??????

So?

Just figured you might want to see one of the major reasons why Healthcare Insurance is so expensive, but it sounds like you don't care!!!!

Quiz of the Day: Who made the statement "The world would be a better place if only Men were to vote?????? HINT: It was a woman!!!

CZ82  posted on  2012-01-20   20:45:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#58. To: lucysmom (#55)

Isn't that a roundabout way of saying personal possessions are way more important than taking care of ones health????

No.

It may be a way of saying feeding one's children and seeing that they live indoors takes precedence over buying health insurance.

Have you ever been to a food bank????? Do you know how much of that food ends up being discarded just because it's been on the premises for a certain period of time instead of being discarded after it's expiration date...... The one that I do maintenance at regularly fills 3-4 six cubic yard dumpsters per week with perfectly good food.... It may not be top of the line name brands but it's still good food....

Do you know how easy it is to get food stamps???? (I was eligible for them the whole time I was in the military)!!!!

How about housing assistance????

And most of those that qualify for those programs somehow find ways to purchase big screen TVs, cell phones, video games..... etc...etc...etc.... but not enough to take care of their health..... HHHmmmmm..... Isn't there something wrong with this picture?????

Quiz of the Day: Who made the statement "The world would be a better place if only Men were to vote?????? HINT: It was a woman!!!

CZ82  posted on  2012-01-20   21:00:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#59. To: CZ82 (#57)

Just figured you might want to see one of the major reasons why Healthcare Insurance is so expensive, but it sounds like you don't care!!!!

I just can't figure out the relevance. Did the government invent the code book?

Economics is a social phenomenon and in no way a “science”, no matter how desperately its high priests would like to have it believed otherwise. It is, instead, a branch of anthropology and the sooner that is recognized and accepted, the better off human-kind in general and the world of academic economics, in particular, shall be proximity1

We probably will see widespread civil disorder in the 1980s, as a direct result of our faltering economic system. Ron Paul

lucysmom  posted on  2012-01-20   21:25:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#60. To: lucysmom (#53)

Why do they "think" they "deserve" free healthcare???

What free health care? I'm talking about universal health care.

So how much do you think this Universal Healthcare is going to cost?????

My guess is it won't be any cheaper than what is existing, and Medicare is running between $400 and 600 per month depending on your work history..... And oh yea "IT ONLY COVERS CERTAIN PROCEDURES NOT ALL", that's why they have "GAP" insurance policies to cover what the "GOVERNMENT" decides it doesn't want to cover...... So if you buy the GAP policies that drives the cost up to $8-1200 per month.....

And so you think SINGLE PAYER UNIVERSAL HEALTHCARE is the answer to all of our problems???? ROTFLMMFAO!!!!!! Good luck with that schitt!!! LOL.....

Oh yea by the way the government decided a long time ago that if you haven't worked enough in your lifetime and paid what they consider the "appropriate" amount of taxes that you have to pay "MORE" for your Medicare part "A"!!!! So what does that tell you about what the bureaucrats (who are doing the rationing) are gonna do to those who have been lazy and not worked and are sick????? Hope you manage to get a large enough coffin.....

Quiz of the Day: Who made the statement "The world would be a better place if only Men were to vote?????? HINT: It was a woman!!!

CZ82  posted on  2012-01-20   21:26:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#61. To: lucysmom (#59)

I just can't figure out the relevance. Did the government invent the code book?

No... but their bureaucratic bullschitt requirements made it to where it had to be invented......

Why you ask?????

Because the government and private insurers only cover certain procedures and don't want to pay for things they don't want to cover.... that's why there are so many codes, the billing has to be very specific or otherwise the government/private insurers will think they are being ripped off and then won't pay for anything.... even though it may be legitimate......

The first 740 pages is codes, the next 1400 pages explain how to interpret and utilize the codes..... and sometimes you have to use multiple codes to descibe a single procedure...... (what a clusterphuck)!!!!!

I didn't know there was that many possible procedures that could be performed on the human body, but the insurers seem to think so.......

Quiz of the Day: Who made the statement "The world would be a better place if only Men were to vote?????? HINT: It was a woman!!!

CZ82  posted on  2012-01-20   21:45:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#62. To: CZ82 (#58)

And most of those that qualify for those programs somehow find ways to purchase big screen TVs, cell phones, video games..... etc...etc...etc.... but not enough to take care of their health..... HHHmmmmm..... Isn't there something wrong with this picture?????

You painted the picture if you catch my drift.

Economics is a social phenomenon and in no way a “science”, no matter how desperately its high priests would like to have it believed otherwise. It is, instead, a branch of anthropology and the sooner that is recognized and accepted, the better off human-kind in general and the world of academic economics, in particular, shall be proximity1

We probably will see widespread civil disorder in the 1980s, as a direct result of our faltering economic system. Ron Paul

lucysmom  posted on  2012-01-20   22:03:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#63. To: CZ82 (#61)

No... but their bureaucratic bullschitt requirements made it to where it had to be invented......

Really, you think that?

The first 740 pages is codes, the next 1400 pages explain how to interpret and utilize the codes..... and sometimes you have to use multiple codes to descibe a single procedure...... (what a clusterphuck)!!!!!

It's a private sector clusterphuck.

Economics is a social phenomenon and in no way a “science”, no matter how desperately its high priests would like to have it believed otherwise. It is, instead, a branch of anthropology and the sooner that is recognized and accepted, the better off human-kind in general and the world of academic economics, in particular, shall be proximity1

We probably will see widespread civil disorder in the 1980s, as a direct result of our faltering economic system. Ron Paul

lucysmom  posted on  2012-01-20   22:08:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#64. To: lucysmom (#63)

It's a private sector clusterphuck.

Well put it this way the book was created by the AMA a year or two "AFTER" Medicare was enacted by the government....... Up until that time there was no demand for a system like this for billing or patients record keeping by private insurers.....

So did the AMA suddenly have an epiphany or was there pressure brought to bear by the government?????? Having worked for the government for 20 years and knowing how stupid, narcissistic and anal retentive they can be, I would have to conclude it's the later......... Especially when you take into consideration how "irrelevant" the AMA is.....(I.E. government lapdog).... 75-80% of current doctors aren't even members, because the AMA keeps selling them out.......

But yes it's a royal clusterphuck none the less.......

Quiz of the Day: Who made the statement "The world would be a better place if only Men were to vote?????? HINT: It was a woman!!!

CZ82  posted on  2012-01-21   7:48:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#65. To: lucysmom (#62)

And most of those that qualify for those programs somehow find ways to purchase big screen TVs, cell phones, video games..... etc...etc...etc.... but not enough to take care of their health..... HHHmmmmm..... Isn't there something wrong with this picture?????

You painted the picture if you catch my drift.

Yes I did..... It just shows how irresponsible some people really are!!!!!

And just how irresposible the people are who want to help bail them out!!!!! LOL.....

Quiz of the Day: Who made the statement "The world would be a better place if only Men were to vote?????? HINT: It was a woman!!!

CZ82  posted on  2012-01-21   7:54:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#66. To: CZ82 (#64)

Well put it this way the book was created by the AMA a year or two "AFTER" Medicare was enacted by the government....... Up until that time there was no demand for a system like this for billing or patients record keeping by private insurers.....

History of Medical Coding

The history of medical coding, or diagnostic coding, dates back to seventeenth-century Great Britain with the London Bills of Mortality. Medical coding can be defined as the process of assigning numeric or a combination of numeric and alpha values to all types of medical services. The services include diagnoses, medical procedures, surgery, drugs and other treatments. The practice of medical coding is a continually evolving process, which has led to greater effectiveness and efficiency in the delivery of health care services.

In 1893, the International Statistical Institute approved a standardized system for classifying deaths. The list was prepared by a Paris statistician, Jacque Bertillon, and was called the Bertillon Classification. By 1900, 26 countries had implemented the Bertillon Classification. In 1928, a study sponsored by the Health Organization of the League of Nation discussed how the Bertillon Classification could be expanded to include the tracking of diseases.

Medical coding began as a way to collect data before there ever was a United States government.

This is what you're talking about.

Medical coding in the United States is based on three major coding systems, the Current Procedural Terminology (CPT) and Healthcare Common Procedure Coding System (HCPCS) and International Classification of Diseases (ICD). CPT was initially developed by the American Medical Association back in 1966.

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Historically, all of our lives have been affected in one way or another by the use of coded medical information. For people who are seeking health insurance coverage, medical coding is used to determine if a person is a "good" risk for health insurance coverage. A mistake in medical coding could result in denial of coverage. When it comes to patient care, coding determines which health care services are reimbursed and how much is paid. If an error is made in the coding diagnosis or treatment, payment could be denied or too much can end up being paid for services.

www.ehow.com/about_5581364_history-medical-coding.html

Over the course of this exchange it has become clear that you are information adverse, preferring the emotional to the rational.

Economics is a social phenomenon and in no way a “science”, no matter how desperately its high priests would like to have it believed otherwise. It is, instead, a branch of anthropology and the sooner that is recognized and accepted, the better off human-kind in general and the world of academic economics, in particular, shall be proximity1

We probably will see widespread civil disorder in the 1980s, as a direct result of our faltering economic system. Ron Paul

lucysmom  posted on  2012-01-21   11:28:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#67. To: CZ82 (#65)

es I did..... It just shows how irresponsible some people really are!!!!!

And just how irresposible the people are who want to help bail them out!!!!! LOL....

Again, you form your opinions based on unsupported stories (anecdotal reporting) and emotions rather than facts.

Economics is a social phenomenon and in no way a “science”, no matter how desperately its high priests would like to have it believed otherwise. It is, instead, a branch of anthropology and the sooner that is recognized and accepted, the better off human-kind in general and the world of academic economics, in particular, shall be proximity1

We probably will see widespread civil disorder in the 1980s, as a direct result of our faltering economic system. Ron Paul

lucysmom  posted on  2012-01-21   11:33:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#68. To: lucysmom (#66)

Over the course of this exchange it has become clear that you are information adverse, preferring the emotional to the rational.

And it's rational to destroy this country and the future of millions and millions because of social issues for a very select few?????

I think it's safe to say that we disagree on what the word rational means......

Quiz of the Day: Who made the statement "The world would be a better place if only Men were to vote?????? HINT: It was a woman!!!

CZ82  posted on  2012-01-21   17:52:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#69. To: lucysmom (#66)

A mistake in medical coding could result in denial of coverage. When it comes to patient care, coding determines which health care services are reimbursed and how much is paid. If an error is made in the coding diagnosis or treatment, payment could be denied or too much can end up being paid for services.

And it's also used as a way to deny treatment for which the government or private insurers don't want to pay for, even though they are supposed to cover it.....

Imagine that.....

Quiz of the Day: Who made the statement "The world would be a better place if only Men were to vote?????? HINT: It was a woman!!!

CZ82  posted on  2012-01-21   17:55:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#70. To: lucysmom (#53)

Why do they "think" they "deserve" free healthcare???

What free health care? I'm talking about universal health care.

Speaking of the latest "FREE" Healthcare proclimation..... Looks like Obozo knows he's going to be short on people to vote for him so now it's time to pander and bribe.......

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Quiz of the Day: Who made the statement "The world would be a better place if only Men were to vote?????? HINT: It was a woman!!!

CZ82  posted on  2012-01-21   18:24:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#71. To: CZ82 (#68)

And it's rational to destroy this country and the future of millions and millions because of social issues for a very select few?????

I agree though I bet we identify the "select few" differently.

Economics is a social phenomenon and in no way a “science”, no matter how desperately its high priests would like to have it believed otherwise. It is, instead, a branch of anthropology and the sooner that is recognized and accepted, the better off human-kind in general and the world of academic economics, in particular, shall be proximity1

We probably will see widespread civil disorder in the 1980s, as a direct result of our faltering economic system. Ron Paul

lucysmom  posted on  2012-01-21   21:02:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#72. To: lucysmom (#66)

Medical coding began as a way to collect data before there ever was a United States government.

This is what you're talking about.

Medical coding in the United States is based on three major coding systems, the Current Procedural Terminology (CPT) and Healthcare Common Procedure Coding System (HCPCS) and International Classification of Diseases (ICD). CPT was initially developed by the American Medical Association back in 1966.

And so it takes three different sets of codes for doctors to document a patients problem/procedure, share this information with Medicare and private insurers and hopefully get reimbursed by them for services rendered......

Now don't you think this is a whole lot of hoops to jump through, a burden to the system??? Which forces doctors to hire people for decoding this mess that they wouldn't have to if only one system was in effect..... Don't you think this adds unecessary costs to Healthcare system???? (which was my original point)..

You know if they were smart they would modify one system to be able to do everything with (one stop shopping for lack of a better term)...... My guess is the government won't let them.....

Quiz of the Day: Who made the statement "The world would be a better place if only Men were to vote?????? HINT: It was a woman!!!

CZ82  posted on  2012-01-22   9:38:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#73. To: CZ82 (#72)

She isn't to bright. She thinks if we eliminated the minimum wage we would turn into Somalia. Looney.

A K A Stone  posted on  2012-01-22   9:41:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#74. To: lucysmom (#71)

I agree though I bet we identify the "select few" differently.

That wasn't the point.... But yes I'd guarantee we do.....

I only use independence, freedom, prosperity, selflessness, responsibility, diligence, honesty and integrity as the basis for decisions..... And that's the reason why I don't agree with very many of the governments decisions anymore.... (I.E. ObozoCare).... Because it violates all of those principles.... It doesn't pass the "Sniff test"....

And if a man/woman has health problems who's fault do you think it is????? Gods, Mother Natures or just man himself????

Man's problems stems from man's ignorance and lack of adherence to the principles I listed above..... (And maybe I need to repost my "Food for Thought" rant).......

And yes I do violate one of those principles on a regular basis and that is I'm selfish about my freedoms!!!!!!

Quiz of the Day: Who made the statement "The world would be a better place if only Men were to vote?????? HINT: It was a woman!!!

CZ82  posted on  2012-01-22   10:09:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#75. To: A K A Stone (#73)

She isn't to bright. She thinks if we eliminated the minimum wage we would turn into Somalia. Looney.

She doesn't realize that the government "solutions" she supports is going to do just exactly that..... 3rd world banana republic here we come......

Quiz of the Day: Who made the statement "The world would be a better place if only Men were to vote?????? HINT: It was a woman!!!

CZ82  posted on  2012-01-22   10:12:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#76. To: CZ82 (#74)

And if a man/woman has health problems who's fault do you think it is????? Gods, Mother Natures or just man himself????

Man's problems stems from man's ignorance and lack of adherence to the principles I listed above..... (And maybe I need to repost my "Food for Thought" rant).......

A friend's son was born with asthma, whoes fault is that? His parents don't smoke, drink, or do drugs.

Economics is a social phenomenon and in no way a “science”, no matter how desperately its high priests would like to have it believed otherwise. It is, instead, a branch of anthropology and the sooner that is recognized and accepted, the better off human-kind in general and the world of academic economics, in particular, shall be proximity1

We probably will see widespread civil disorder in the 1980s, as a direct result of our faltering economic system. Ron Paul

lucysmom  posted on  2012-01-22   11:58:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#77. To: lucysmom (#76)

A friend's son was born with asthma, whoes fault is that? His parents don't smoke, drink, or do drugs.

It depends on what your beliefs are!!!

Did God do it??

Did Mother Nature do it????

Or.... maybe it was passed on to him by someone in the family tree.....

I was diagnosed with asthma when I was a kid.... anytime I was exposed to animals I would start wheezing, coughing and couldn't hardly breathe.... As I got older my symptoms got less and less and now I can do what I want around animals and suffer none of the asthma type symptoms....

So did I really have asthma or were my symptoms allergy related???? Who knows for sure but the symptoms from both are still pretty much the same... I suspect the doctor misdiagnosed my asthma because all of my children suffer from allergies too.....

Quiz of the Day: Who made the statement "The world would be a better place if only Men were to vote?????? HINT: It was a woman!!!

CZ82  posted on  2012-01-22   16:11:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#78. To: A K A Stone, CZ82 (#73)

She isn't to bright. She thinks if we eliminated the minimum wage we would turn into Somalia. Looney.

She's the perfect example of the ultimate result of government propaganda. She is incapable of independant thinking, has complete faith in the "goodness" of government, and relies on the "donations" of others (coerced tax "revenues") for her very survival.

She is the poster-child for how far our society has fallen- going from a tough, independant and individualistic society, to one of overt weakness, stupidity and group-think.

She'd rather die than think. And I sincerely believe that's exactly what's going to happen to her, and most of those like her... They'll be unable to adapt to the financial "reset" that we're only now starting to experience, and suffer horribly for their lack of vision.

It's a terrible thing to realize... But it could be worse- she could drag us down with her. And while that's exactly what she wants- to match her stupid and selfish demands- I'm quite sure there will be many, who will not only refuse to accede to her expectations, but actively kick her sorry ass to the curb.

It's going to be a simple choice; do I try to fulfill the (now impossible) promises made to her by weak and corrupt politicians for decades? Or do I do what I must, to protect my own family, and give my kids an opportunity for a better life?

Looney had her chance, and she blew it.

I'll not let her foolish choices dictate the future for MY kids.

Those like her, who question my resolve in this matter, will face the gravest of consequences.

We've all got to take a stand somewhere, on something. And this is the place where I say, "here and NO FURTHER."

"If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude than the animated contest of freedom, go from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains sit lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen!” -- Samuel Adams --

Capitalist Eric  posted on  2012-01-22   16:56:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#79. To: lucysmom (#72)

And so it takes three different sets of codes for doctors to document a patients problem/procedure, share this information with Medicare and private insurers and hopefully get reimbursed by them for services rendered......

Now don't you think this is a whole lot of hoops to jump through, a burden to the system??? Which forces doctors to hire people for decoding this mess that they wouldn't have to if only one system was in effect..... Don't you think this adds unecessary costs to Healthcare system???? (which was my original point)..

You know if they were smart they would modify one system to be able to do everything with (one stop shopping for lack of a better term)...... My guess is the government won't let them.....

So I have a question for you......

Just for giggles lets say that the politicians decide to grow a little integrity and decide that there is a need for just one coding system so as to streamline the Healthcare process.... What effects do you think this would have now that the doctor doesn't have to employ all that "overhead" baggage anymore???

Do you think healthcare treatment as a whole would stay the same, improve or get worse?????

Quiz of the Day: Who made the statement "The world would be a better place if only Men were to vote?????? HINT: It was a woman!!!

CZ82  posted on  2012-01-22   17:04:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#80. To: CZ82 (#79)

Just for giggles lets say that the politicians decide to grow a little integrity and decide that there is a need for just one coding system so as to streamline the Healthcare process....

If the insurance companies aren't on board, their money will guarantee the plan ain't going anywhere.

Economics is a social phenomenon and in no way a “science”, no matter how desperately its high priests would like to have it believed otherwise. It is, instead, a branch of anthropology and the sooner that is recognized and accepted, the better off human-kind in general and the world of academic economics, in particular, shall be proximity1

We probably will see widespread civil disorder in the 1980s, as a direct result of our faltering economic system. Ron Paul

lucysmom  posted on  2012-01-22   18:32:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#81. To: lucysmom (#80)

If the insurance companies aren't on board, their money will guarantee the plan ain't going anywhere.

I understand what you are saying..... but.....

I'm just looking for your opinion on whether you think it would help or hinder the healthcare system???? (It's not a trap, no right or wrong answer)...

Quiz of the Day: Who made the statement "The world would be a better place if only Men were to vote?????? HINT: It was a woman!!!

CZ82  posted on  2012-01-22   19:01:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#82. To: All (#81) (Edited)

Quiz of the Day: Who made the statement "The world would be a better place if only Men were to vote?????? HINT: It was a woman!!!

CZ82  posted on  2012-01-24   17:09:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#83. To: lucysmom (#80)

Tired of playing huh???

Quiz of the Day: Who made the statement "The world would be a better place if only Men were to vote?????? HINT: It was a woman!!!

CZ82  posted on  2012-01-24   17:10:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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