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Title: Healthcare Doesn’t Need European Style Austerity Measures; It Needs Free-Market
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URL Source: http://www.redstate.com/dhorowitz3/ ... measures-it-needs-free-market/
Published: Jan 18, 2012
Author: Daniel Horowitz
Post Date: 2012-01-18 06:36:01 by CZ82
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Healthcare Doesn’t Need European Style Austerity Measures; It Needs Free-Market Posted by Daniel Horowitz “If our goal is to be shielded from any cost of healthcare, we will ultimately be exposed to all costs of healthcare.” Nothing typifies the inane cycle of government dependency and poverty more than the issue of healthcare. Given that healthcare constitutes 18% of our economy and that millions of Americans are languishing under its crushing costs, it is important that we articulate healthcare reform from a position of strength. We must demonstrate how it is socialist interventions in the marketplace that are responsible for high costs. We must demonstrate how our policies will bring costs under control. When discussing entitlements, conservatives must remember that the goal of healthcare reform is not to merely cut its costs to the federal budget; it is to alleviate the burden of government-run healthcare on the entire healthcare sector. Any proposal to tweak the outlays for programs such as Medicare, without fundamentally reforming their anti-free-market structure, will only achieve minor savings, cause pain for those suffering from healthcare inflation, and incur the wrath of the largest voting bloc. Medicare is socialized medicine for those over 65 in all but name only. Its very presence in the market as the 800-pound gorilla has a counterintuitive effect of driving up the cost of healthcare, thereby forcing people to remain dependent on its broad shoulders. Unless Medicare (along with Medicaid) is reformed as a defined contribution voucher system, instead of an open-ended market distorting behemoth, any attempt to raise the eligibility age or cut benefits would severely squeeze older healthcare consumers. Now we learn that such a proposal would fail to stem the unsustainable trajectory of Medicare costs. Last week, CBO published a report which suggests that a plan to gradually raise the retirement age from 65 to 67 would save $148 billion over 10 years. That may sound like a large sum, but when compared to projected outlays, it is infinitesimal. According to the most recent CBO budget outlook, Medicare outlays will top $7.4 trillion over the next 10 years, with a 75-year unfunded obligation of $35 trillion. And that is probably a conservative estimate. Thus, pulling the trigger on raising the retirement age and incurring the wrath of seniors will only reduce outlays from $7.4 trillion to $7.25 trillion. We’ll be broke before we reach that point anyway. Raising the Medicare eligibility age is much less effective than raising the Social Security retirement age because socialized medicine – on every level and for every age group – will induce inflationary pressure on the entire healthcare sector. As the system is currently constituted, many “young seniors” who are retired would not be able to afford health insurance without Medicare, and would be forced onto Medicaid. The CBO estimates that one-quarter of the $148 billion in savings would be wiped out by increased Medicaid spending. Medicaid’s stranglehold on the marketplace is already increasing as rapidly as Medicare. According to a new report published by Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services (CMS), even though overall healthcare expenditures slowed in 2010, primarily due to the recession and joblessness, government’s share of healthcare spending has increased rapidly. The culprit? Medicaid spending; particularly, federal Medicaid spending. In total, the government (federal, state, and local) financed 45% of all healthcare expenditures, private businesses funded 21% of expenditures, and personal households accounted for 28% – a historic low. Even part of the business and household share of the financing went towards payroll taxes and premiums which fund… government-run Medicare. Accordingly, over 55% of all healthcare spending is controlled by the government. And that is before Obamacare takes effect. Are you starting to see a pattern yet? What we really need is a complete overhaul of the self-perpetuating inflationary government healthcare entities by transforming them to free-market voucher systems. That will drive down costs on the entire healthcare sector, and by extension, will save trillions in superfluous taxpayer-funded spending on third-party entities like Medicare, Medicaid, and SChip. An unencumbered marketplace under a pure voucher system (as described in the original Ryan Roadmap) would be superior to the premium support system of government-run exchanges. It would certainly work better than the revised Ryan plan (Ryan-Wyden), which retains the current Medicare system as an option within premium support. Nonetheless, any reform that introduces more market forces into the system will create downward pressure on healthcare inflation. Free-market healthcare reform would also necessitate the elimination of onerous government mandates, such as issue guarantee, community rating, and other one-size-fits-all directives that encourage or coerce insurance companies to guarantee coverage and offer similar prices to every individual and every family. We must also remove the barriers that preclude consumers from buying insurance across state lines. How destructive are these meddlesome mandates on the private sector? They distort the market to such an extent that, despite the decrease in demand for healthcare (as a result of the bad economy), premiums still skyrocketed to record highs. Private insurance companies are recouping the front-loaded costs they will incur under Obamacare mandates, even before they take effect. This is exactly what happened in Massachusetts with Romneycare. Other reforms would include block granting Medicaid to the states and allowing them to use funds to convert Medicaid and SChip to private insurance vouchers, converting VA benefits to vouchers for private insurance (but supplement all extra costs), and eliminating the tax incentive gap between employer-based insurance and personal insurance. The last reform would involve either the elimination of the employer tax exclusion for health insurance, or the extension of that deduction to individuals who buy health insurance. Finally, we need to encourage personal responsibility by restoring health insurance to traditional high-cost coverage from its current status as a primary source of payment. Expansion of high deductible health plans and health savings accounts will help reduce third-party market distortions and expose consumers to the actual costs of the services provided. According to the CMS report, only 11% of all health expenditures are paid out-of-pocket. That needs to change. If our goal is to be shielded from any cost of healthcare, we will ultimately be exposed to all costs of healthcare. Once we institute these reforms, which will generate downward pressure on the cost of healthcare and health insurance, we can discuss raising the eligibility age and cutting benefits to wealthy seniors. It’s good policy, and while entitlement reform will never make for great politics, free-market reforms that drive down costs are easier to sell than pure austerity measures in the current socialist system. Austere socialism will only accentuate the high cost of living with more poverty. Only comprehensive free-market reforms will save our healthcare system.
Poster Comment: For those of you who still "think" ObozoCare will have a "positive" impact on our Healthcare system........ NOT!!!!
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#1. To: CZ82 (#0)
Never learning a thing. When in doubt just going silent on the subject. Then, when the coast is clear.... bringing up the same EpicFail arguement. Like GingrichPalinIsrael....and the USSA....8D Worse. The bank robber is the one closing down access. Can you feel it? The USSA is losing. The Truman doctrine 1947 is losing across the globe as I type. note not one word about Israel in the news? Except that Palin endorses Gingrich? Whose face appears non stop 'in place' of Israel?
I just went thru the Medical System and ONLY because I knew EXACTLY what I was in for.... like contacting my Lawyer at the same time as the Doctor get I get thru...;} And I had to bury three Doctors(With Christian Prayers NO urination LULZ. The Top 1% get Communism. The Bottom 99% get the Free Market.....8D
More silly libertarian pap. You worshipers of the exalted free market myth are a hoot. You can't even define it much less ever locate an example. Plus the whole health care industry is based on government enforced minimal requirements for every aspect of it anyway, because the industry proved unable and unwilling to police it's own inadequacies. And as one who worked in it before and after minimal standards were created and enforced, Thank God.
Almost every country in the Middle East is awash in oil, and we have to side with the one that has nothing but joos. Goddamn, that was good thinkin'. Esso posted on 2012-01-13 7:37:56 ET
Just think how much worse it was forty years ago when no minimum staffing standards were in place. And so much of the regulation the libertarians constantly rail against, were set up under Reagan.
Almost every country in the Middle East is awash in oil, and we have to side with the one that has nothing but joos. Goddamn, that was good thinkin'. Esso posted on 2012-01-13 7:37:56 ET
The US government got involved in health care because of the Free Market not in spite of it.
I'll believe that a corporation is a person 1 second after Texas executes one...
When it all started: Google Nixon Haldeman HMO's...;}
;} Again: Nixon Haldeman HMO's...
Because deadbeats want something for nothing. The supreme court is going to bitch slap the asshole again.
The supreme court is going to bitch slap the asshole again. Because hospitals enjoyed relative autonomy for most of our history. Care to revisit the 1890's? Even as late as the seventies it was easy to fall through the cracks. And there was no one assigned to investigate because it hurt the bottom line.
Almost every country in the Middle East is awash in oil, and we have to side with the one that has nothing but joos. Goddamn, that was good thinkin'. Esso posted on 2012-01-13 7:37:56 ET
Could you, for once, actually *think* before responding? The government "got involved" because kids were dying or being permanently crippled in droves due to polio. After taking care of that issue, the government then addressed the issue of the elderly dying in droves for no reason other than not being able to afford treatment.
I'll believe that a corporation is a person 1 second after Texas executes one...
How is it that "socialist interventions" produce a health care system that consumes 18% of the US economy while countries with more "socialist interventions" spend a smaller portion of their GDP and have better outcomes measured by life expectancy and infant mortality.
Economics is a social phenomenon and in no way a “science”, no matter how desperately its high priests would like to have it believed otherwise. It is, instead, a branch of anthropology and the sooner that is recognized and accepted, the better off human-kind in general and the world of academic economics, in particular, shall be proximity1 We probably will see widespread civil disorder in the 1980s, as a direct result of our faltering economic system. Ron Paul
Since when??????? I haven't seen one yet that does!!!!! And so you actually think that spending less taxpayer money on Healthcare is gonna improve it when at the same time you're planning on adding 10-40 million people to the mix???? ROTFLMMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! So.... have you ever lived in a country that does Socialist/Government supplied Healthcare like I have?????? (My guess is NO, for if you did you would know better)........ or is all of your opinion (more than likely) just based on BS articles written by dumbasses who have either no clue of the realities of the situation or they just want to convince you to be the dumbass so that they can keep "YOU" under their thumb??? Those countries do rationing of all kinds and you think that won't happen here!!!! ROTFLMMFAO!!!!!!!! I can't wait until they ration you and then see how much you whine about what you are supporting!!!!
Quiz of the Day: Who made the statement "The world would be a better place if only Men were to vote?????? HINT: It was a woman!!!
From The New England Journal of Medicine It is hard to ignore that in 2006, the United States was number 1 in terms of health care spending per capita but ranked 39th for infant mortality, 43rd for adult female mortality, 42nd for adult male mortality, and 36th for life expectancy.3 These facts have fueled a question now being discussed in academic circles, as well as by government and the public: Why do we spend so much to get so little? http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMp0910064 Those countries do rationing of all kinds and you think that won't happen here!!!! ROTFLMMFAO!!!!!!!! Rationing does occur in the US right now ...
Economics is a social phenomenon and in no way a “science”, no matter how desperately its high priests would like to have it believed otherwise. It is, instead, a branch of anthropology and the sooner that is recognized and accepted, the better off human-kind in general and the world of academic economics, in particular, shall be proximity1 We probably will see widespread civil disorder in the 1980s, as a direct result of our faltering economic system. Ron Paul
Rationing does occur in the US right now ... And you don't think ObozoCare will make rationing worse????? Beings the government is currently responsible for the rationing..... So who's being rationed anyway????? (Oh.... let me guess...... Medicare and Medicaid recipients)!!!! Why do you think the amount of doctors this country needs is inadequate to fulfill the needs of it's population????? Inadequate reimbursement rates for those currently under the socialist government healthcare plans maybe, doctors don't want to work for free ya know..... They're just like you or me they need money to pay the bills...... Bills like paying back their student loans, paying unnecessary employees to fill out unnecessary government mandated paperwork, lawyers, malpractice insurance and last but not least their "Barbie" wives!!!!! Last time I called for an appointment under my socialist government healthcare insurance they told me it would be 9 days before I could be seen..... do you actually think that will improve under Obozocare?????
Quiz of the Day: Who made the statement "The world would be a better place if only Men were to vote?????? HINT: It was a woman!!!
And I'll bet $5 that "most" of those infant mortalities are caused by conditions that happened when they were still in the womb.... So can you really blame the healthcare system for infant mortalities that the mother actually caused from her own negligence/ignorance???
Quiz of the Day: Who made the statement "The world would be a better place if only Men were to vote?????? HINT: It was a woman!!!
Government intervention!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Quiz of the Day: Who made the statement "The world would be a better place if only Men were to vote?????? HINT: It was a woman!!!
"In America, we strictly ration health care. We've done it for years," says Dr. Arthur Kellermann, professor of emergency medicine and associate dean for health policy at Emory University School of Medicine. "But in contrast to other wealthy countries, we don't ration medical care on the basis of need or anticipated benefit. In this country, we mainly ration on the ability to pay. And that is especially evident when you examine the plight of the uninsured in the United States." Groceries Or Medicine? Kellermann still remembers the young mother of two who came into his emergency room more than 15 years ago, suffering from a hemorrhagic stroke. "We worked for 90 minutes to save her life, but basically she had burst a blood vessel in her head. She didn't have a chance," he says. "She had no health insurance, and when the money got tight, she had to make a choice — she could either buy the groceries for her kids, or she was going to buy the three blood pressure medicines she had to take every day." Sadly, Kellermann says, for less than the cost of that futile, 90-minute effort in the ER, the woman could have had all the blood pressure medication she needed for the rest of her life. It was not a government bureaucrat who decided she should forgo treatment until it was too late — it was her own lack of health insurance that led her to make that choice. http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=106168331 The above answers two questions; who gets rationed health care - the poor uninsured, and one way universal access to health care could actually lower costs - by treating illness BEFORE it becomes an emergency and requires more expensive services.
Economics is a social phenomenon and in no way a “science”, no matter how desperately its high priests would like to have it believed otherwise. It is, instead, a branch of anthropology and the sooner that is recognized and accepted, the better off human-kind in general and the world of academic economics, in particular, shall be proximity1 We probably will see widespread civil disorder in the 1980s, as a direct result of our faltering economic system. Ron Paul
Italy has 4.4 doctors per 1,000 people, the OECD average is 3.13 doctors per 1,000, and the United States has 2.43 doctors per 1,000 people. How do you explain a higher ratio of doctors to population in all them countries with like totally socialist (universal health care for all citizens) health care systems?
Economics is a social phenomenon and in no way a “science”, no matter how desperately its high priests would like to have it believed otherwise. It is, instead, a branch of anthropology and the sooner that is recognized and accepted, the better off human-kind in general and the world of academic economics, in particular, shall be proximity1 We probably will see widespread civil disorder in the 1980s, as a direct result of our faltering economic system. Ron Paul
Wow...good EVENING...
I'll believe that a corporation is a person 1 second after Texas executes one...
Are you saying that fetuses in other OECD countries are not subject to the same maternal risky behaviors as American fetuses? Why would that be? I think it's because pregnant moms in countries with universal health care get better prenatal care. Better health care would address ignorance and most likely mitigate negligence. What do you think?
Economics is a social phenomenon and in no way a “science”, no matter how desperately its high priests would like to have it believed otherwise. It is, instead, a branch of anthropology and the sooner that is recognized and accepted, the better off human-kind in general and the world of academic economics, in particular, shall be proximity1 We probably will see widespread civil disorder in the 1980s, as a direct result of our faltering economic system. Ron Paul
Where are you? It's morning here. Good MORNING.
Economics is a social phenomenon and in no way a “science”, no matter how desperately its high priests would like to have it believed otherwise. It is, instead, a branch of anthropology and the sooner that is recognized and accepted, the better off human-kind in general and the world of academic economics, in particular, shall be proximity1 We probably will see widespread civil disorder in the 1980s, as a direct result of our faltering economic system. Ron Paul
Barely...you keeping NY hours?
I'll believe that a corporation is a person 1 second after Texas executes one...
Seems that way.
Economics is a social phenomenon and in no way a “science”, no matter how desperately its high priests would like to have it believed otherwise. It is, instead, a branch of anthropology and the sooner that is recognized and accepted, the better off human-kind in general and the world of academic economics, in particular, shall be proximity1 We probably will see widespread civil disorder in the 1980s, as a direct result of our faltering economic system. Ron Paul
Goldi says that all the time.
. How do I explain it???? More like how do you explain it!!!! My guess is they get better reimbursement rates from the government..... They also have fewer useless employees they have to employ to do useless government paperwork.. Or they could care less how much they get paid (which I seriously doubt)... But then again Italy isn't totally single payer because the government doesn't cover all procedures!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Quiz of the Day: Who made the statement "The world would be a better place if only Men were to vote?????? HINT: It was a woman!!!
No, I'm saying there are a lot of stupid people in this world that do very stupid things for very stupid reasons and that's why the mortality rate is higher.....
Quiz of the Day: Who made the statement "The world would be a better place if only Men were to vote?????? HINT: It was a woman!!!
And there is a problem with this in what way?????? I suppose you think food, cars and houses should be free.... huh??? People are uninsured for various reasons: Some don't want to shell out the money to pay for insurance, even though they have it..... Why??? Because some could care less and would rather spend their money on BS...... Or they are waiting until they can get Healthcare that's paid for by someone else!!!!!!!!!! Or they are waiting until they get older to purchase it .... Or they are finding out that it's cheaper to pay cash!!!! Some don't make enough to purchase insurance, some of which is their fault and some of which is the governments fault.... But then as much money as the government tosses around to these people to bribe them into voting for them you wouldn't think this would be a problem!!!!!!!!!! And since when did they start turning people away from doctors offices and emergency rooms for not having Insurance????????
Quiz of the Day: Who made the statement "The world would be a better place if only Men were to vote?????? HINT: It was a woman!!!
So why don't they just have a plan for those who don't have very much money???? Oh that's right they already do..... Medicare and Medicaid!!!!!!! ObozoCare is all about greed and power for the "self appointed elites", nothing more nothing less.... It's not about you, it's about them and what they can get out of "you"...... And the ones that support them think they are going to get something for nothing..... tsk...tsk...tsk..... when will some ever learn that everything has a price!!!!!!!!
Quiz of the Day: Who made the statement "The world would be a better place if only Men were to vote?????? HINT: It was a woman!!!
HCR, in essence, did nothing more but make insurance companies sell insurance to everyone. Every time you folks open your mouth about it, you underscore your ignorance.
I'll believe that a corporation is a person 1 second after Texas executes one...
According to a friend who is office manager for a clinic, the paperwork is burdensome, but comes from the private sector, not government.
Economics is a social phenomenon and in no way a “science”, no matter how desperately its high priests would like to have it believed otherwise. It is, instead, a branch of anthropology and the sooner that is recognized and accepted, the better off human-kind in general and the world of academic economics, in particular, shall be proximity1 We probably will see widespread civil disorder in the 1980s, as a direct result of our faltering economic system. Ron Paul
But why is it higher in the US? Are Americans more stupid than the people in 33 other countries?
Economics is a social phenomenon and in no way a “science”, no matter how desperately its high priests would like to have it believed otherwise. It is, instead, a branch of anthropology and the sooner that is recognized and accepted, the better off human-kind in general and the world of academic economics, in particular, shall be proximity1 We probably will see widespread civil disorder in the 1980s, as a direct result of our faltering economic system. Ron Paul
Why don't you do a multiple-regression analysis, and find out? I mean, you throw a lot of SHIT out there, proclaiming your (unproven, unsupported BS) opinions as "fact." Maybe you should get up off your fat ASS, and do some research. If you're too lazy to do that (and as usual, return to your idiotic socialist talking-points), then just admit you're too fucking lazy/stupid/dull/dense/indoctrinated, and have done with it?
"If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude than the animated contest of freedom, go from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains sit lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen!” -- Samuel Adams --
Sometimes people can't pay because they're too sick to work. I suppose you think food, cars and houses should be free.... huh??? That's relevant to this discussion exactly how? Some don't want to shell out the money to pay for insurance, even though they have it..... Why??? Because some could care less and would rather spend their money on BS...... Or they are waiting until they can get Healthcare that's paid for by someone else!!!!!!!!!! Or they are waiting until they get older to purchase it .... Or they are finding out that it's cheaper to pay cash!!!! So what? And since when did they start turning people away from doctors offices and emergency rooms for not having Insurance???????? Try walking into a doctor's office without insurance or money and see what happens.
Economics is a social phenomenon and in no way a “science”, no matter how desperately its high priests would like to have it believed otherwise. It is, instead, a branch of anthropology and the sooner that is recognized and accepted, the better off human-kind in general and the world of academic economics, in particular, shall be proximity1 We probably will see widespread civil disorder in the 1980s, as a direct result of our faltering economic system. Ron Paul
Just the other day you posted a picture of my old, anorexic self, and now I have a fat ass? What's up with that? I mean, you throw a lot of SHIT out there, proclaiming your (unproven, unsupported BS) opinions as "fact." The US is number one in health care spending but not in outcomes. That is not opinion, it is fact. If you're too lazy to do that (and as usual, return to your idiotic socialist talking-points), then just admit you're too fucking lazy/stupid/dull/dense/indoctrinated, and have done with it? Me, my energy level, intelligence, and body are not the topic of this thread. In fact, your obsession with my body is more than a little creepy.
Economics is a social phenomenon and in no way a “science”, no matter how desperately its high priests would like to have it believed otherwise. It is, instead, a branch of anthropology and the sooner that is recognized and accepted, the better off human-kind in general and the world of academic economics, in particular, shall be proximity1 We probably will see widespread civil disorder in the 1980s, as a direct result of our faltering economic system. Ron Paul
True. Your LACK of intelligence is very much fair game. I think I just threw up a little in my mouth...
"If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude than the animated contest of freedom, go from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains sit lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen!” -- Samuel Adams --
But not the thread topic.
Economics is a social phenomenon and in no way a “science”, no matter how desperately its high priests would like to have it believed otherwise. It is, instead, a branch of anthropology and the sooner that is recognized and accepted, the better off human-kind in general and the world of academic economics, in particular, shall be proximity1 We probably will see widespread civil disorder in the 1980s, as a direct result of our faltering economic system. Ron Paul
Your dull stupidity makes it a topic of every thread. Poor Lucy, to have such a dim bulb for a mother.
"If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude than the animated contest of freedom, go from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains sit lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen!” -- Samuel Adams --
I would think you would have a grasp of that considering you're pro-abortion!!! We wouldn't want to actually make someone responsible for their "stupid" actions now would we???? On top of the "I shouldn't be held responsible for my actions" attitude you have the "who cares about family" attitude or the "family is bad" attitude (Communist manifesto) that's seems to be running rampant in todays society.... All because a lot of Earths current inhabitants are too "STUPID" to know/care what family values are all about..... (Iguess it's too cumbersome a concept to live/deal with)!!!!! It sure must be a blast to be a stupid Athiest, living on the dole with no future in sight!!!! Guess that's why you have so many stupid people wanting to pull the "rest of us" down the path they've followed to nowhere.....
Quiz of the Day: Who made the statement "The world would be a better place if only Men were to vote?????? HINT: It was a woman!!!
And that "lack of funding" should make them eligible for programs that already existed before ObozoCare.....
Quiz of the Day: Who made the statement "The world would be a better place if only Men were to vote?????? HINT: It was a woman!!!
That's relevant to this discussion exactly how? You seem to think Healthcare should be free so why not those too!!!!! I mean the people who pushed ObozoCare thru seem to think that...... and you're supporting them!!!
Quiz of the Day: Who made the statement "The world would be a better place if only Men were to vote?????? HINT: It was a woman!!!
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#2. To: CZ82 (#0)
#3. To: CZ82 (#0)
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Healthcare Doesn’t Need European Style Austerity Measures; It Needs Free-Market !!
#4. To: mcgowanjm (#2)
I just went thru the Medical System and ONLY because I knew EXACTLY what I was in for....
#5. To: CZ82 (#0)
#6. To: mininggold (#4)
Just think how much worse it was forty years ago when no minimum staffing standards were in place.
#7. To: war (#5)
The US government got involved in health care because of the Free Market not in spite of it.
#8. To: war (#5)
The US government got involved in health care because of the Free Market not in spite of it.
#9. To: A K A Stone (#8)
Because deadbeats want something for nothing.
#10. To: A K A Stone (#8)
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Because deadbeats want something for nothing.
#11. To: CZ82 (#0)
Given that healthcare constitutes 18% of our economy and that millions of Americans are languishing under its crushing costs, it is important that we articulate healthcare reform from a position of strength. We must demonstrate how it is socialist interventions in the marketplace that are responsible for high costs. We must demonstrate how our policies will bring costs under control.
#12. To: lucysmom (#11)
How is it that "socialist interventions" produce a health care system that consumes 18% of the US economy while countries with more "socialist interventions" spend a smaller portion of their GDP and have better outcomes measured by life expectancy and infant mortality.
#13. To: CZ82 (#12)
Since when??????? I haven't seen one yet that does!!!!!
#14. To: lucysmom (#13)
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Those countries do rationing of all kinds and you think that won't happen here!!!! ROTFLMMFAO!!!!!!!!
#15. To: lucysmom (#13)
It is hard to ignore that in 2006, the United States was number 1 in terms of health care spending per capita but ranked 39th for infant mortality, 43rd for adult female mortality, 42nd for adult male mortality, and 36th for life expectancy.
#16. To: lucysmom (#13)
These facts have fueled a question now being discussed in academic circles, as well as by government and the public: Why do we spend so much to get so little?
#17. To: CZ82 (#14)
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And you don't think ObozoCare will make rationing worse????? Beings the government is currently responsible for the rationing..... So who's being rationed anyway????? (Oh.... let me guess...... Medicare and Medicaid recipients)!!!!
#18. To: CZ82 (#14)
Why do you think the amount of doctors this country needs is inadequate to fulfill the needs of it's population????? Inadequate reimbursement rates for those currently under the socialist government healthcare plans maybe, doctors don't want to work for free ya know.....
#19. To: lucysmom (#18)
#20. To: CZ82 (#15)
And I'll bet $5 that "most" of those infant mortalities are caused by conditions that happened when they were still in the womb.... So can you really blame the healthcare system for infant mortalities that the mother actually caused from her own negligence/ignorance???
#21. To: war (#19)
Wow...good EVENING...
#22. To: lucysmom (#21)
It's morning here.
#23. To: war (#22)
Barely...you keeping NY hours?
#24. To: CZ82 (#16)
Quiz of the Day: Who made the statement "The world would be a better place if only Men were to vote?????? HINT: It was a woman!!!
Say hello to your grandma for me.
#25. To: lucysmom (#18)
How do you explain a higher ratio of doctors to population in all them countries with like totally socialist (universal health care for all citizens) health care systems?
#26. To: lucysmom (#20)
Are you saying that fetuses in other OECD countries are not subject to the same maternal risky behaviors as American fetuses? Why would that be?
#27. To: lucysmom (#17)
In this country, we mainly ration on the ability to pay. And that is especially evident when you examine the plight of the uninsured in the United States."
#28. To: lucysmom (#17)
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The above answers two questions; who gets rationed health care - the poor uninsured, and one way universal access to health care could actually lower costs - by treating illness BEFORE it becomes an emergency and requires more expensive services.
#29. To: CZ82 (#28)
ObozoCare is all about greed and power for the "self appointed elites"
#30. To: CZ82 (#25)
They also have fewer useless employees they have to employ to do useless government paperwork..
#31. To: CZ82 (#26)
No, I'm saying there are a lot of stupid people in this world that do very stupid things for very stupid reasons and that's why the mortality rate is higher.....
#32. To: lucysmom (#31)
#33. To: CZ82 (#27)
And there is a problem with this in what way??????
#34. To: Capitalist Eric (#32)
Maybe you should get up off your fat ASS, and do some research.
#35. To: lucysmom (#34)
Me, my energy level, intelligence, and body are not the topic of this thread.
In fact, your obsession with my body ....
#36. To: Capitalist Eric (#35)
Your LACK of intelligence is very much fair game.
#37. To: lucysmom (#36)
#38. To: lucysmom (#31)
But why is it higher in the US? Are Americans more stupid than the people in 33 other countries?
#39. To: lucysmom (#33)
Sometimes people can't pay because they're too sick to work.
#40. To: lucysmom (#33)
I suppose you think food, cars and houses should be free.... huh???
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