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Title: Journey into a Libertarian Future: Part II – The Strategy
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Naked Capitalism
URL Source: http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2011 ... ii-%e2%80%93-the-strategy.html
Published: Nov 30, 2011
Author: Andrew Dittmer
Post Date: 2011-11-30 11:07:47 by lucysmom
Keywords: None
Views: 13157
Comments: 24
This is the second installment of a six-part interview. For the previous part, see here. Red indicates exact quotes from Hans-Hermann Hoppe’s 2001 book “Democracy: The God That Failed.”
ANDREW: Do other libertarians agree with your idea of a libertarian society?
CODE NAME CAIN: Well, we do have our differences. For example, the Cato Institute is severely compromised by numerous left-leaning libertarians such as David Boaz. The Cato tag-alongs and certain other prominent libertarians imagine that an extremely small government would be better than no government at all. They are, of course, wrong. They have not yet recognized that every government is destructive of what they want to preserve [235-236].
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#1. To: Not Badeye, A K A Stone, Fred Mertz, Godwinson, go65, war, no gnu taxes, Skip Intro, ferret mike, jwpegler, mininggold, brian s, Capitalist Eric, mcgowanjm (#0)
...But third, you have to reckon with the Human Shield Effect.ANDREW: The what?
CNC: Libertarian Bryan Caplan says that “hard-core libertarians’ comparative advantage is to play watchdog for moderate libertarians – and make them seem reasonable by comparison.” You see, on many areas other libertarians secretly agree with us, but they are afraid to acknowledge it openly. Instead, they prefer to let us take the heat for our principled positions, and to wait for us to turn previously “radical” ideas into common sense.
ANDREW: So you can count on at least some support from other libertarians. But in order to make your revolution happen, you will have to convince other people as well. Are you going to try to get a majority of U.S. voters to support the future libertarian society?
CNC: It won’t work – persuade a majority of the public to vote for the abolition of democracy and an end to all taxes and legislation?
Perhaps one of you good patriotic American Libertarians would explain to me how destroying the government outlined in the Constitution by the founding fathers is Constitutional.
Wall Street owns the country…Our laws are the output of a system which clothes rascals in robes and honesty in rags. The [political] parties lie to us and the political speakers mislead us…Money rules. Mary Elizabeth Lease, 1890
#2. To: no gnu taxes, jwpegler, Capitalist Eric (#0)
My proposition is that we stop trying to capture the complexity of the world in silly little logical models... Models need to be thrown to the wind. They only constrain the mind and, when adopted as Holy Writ on pure faith, as the libertopians do, lead to fanaticism and fundamentalism.
The above from the comments section made me think of you.
Wall Street owns the country…Our laws are the output of a system which clothes rascals in robes and honesty in rags. The [political] parties lie to us and the political speakers mislead us…Money rules. Mary Elizabeth Lease, 1890
#3. To: lucysmom (#0)
Why not just join the amish !
build more co ops - bike paths !
If you ... don't use exclamation points --- you should't be typeing ! Commas - semicolons are for girlie boys !
#4. To: lucysmom (#1)
Perhaps one of you good patriotic American Libertarians would explain to me how destroying the government outlined in the Constitution by the founding fathers is Constitutional.
I'm not a libertarian. But how is this destroying the constitution?
#5. To: A K A Stone (#4)
But how is this destroying the constitution?
How is it not?
Wall Street owns the country…Our laws are the output of a system which clothes rascals in robes and honesty in rags. The [political] parties lie to us and the political speakers mislead us…Money rules. Mary Elizabeth Lease, 1890
#6. To: lucysmom (#5)
How is it not?
The interstate commerce clause's misintepretation is what is destroying us. One of many things.
Your article makes no sense. I don't see any points it makes. Help me out and spoon feed it to me mama.
#7. To: A K A Stone (#6)
The interstate commerce clause's misintepretation is what is destroying us.
Promote the general ...
riff - raff oops ---
welfare clause too !
If you ... don't use exclamation points --- you should't be typeing ! Commas - semicolons are for girlie boys !
#8. To: BorisY (#7)
Promote the general ...
Yes that too.
#9. To: A K A Stone (#6)
Your article makes no sense. I don't see any points it makes. Help me out and spoon feed it to me mama.
Did you go to the source and read the whole article?
Can't feed you now, Stone, being part of the 99%, I have to go to my job.
Wall Street owns the country…Our laws are the output of a system which clothes rascals in robes and honesty in rags. The [political] parties lie to us and the political speakers mislead us…Money rules. Mary Elizabeth Lease, 1890
#10. To: lucysmom (#9)
Have a good day at work.
#11. To: A K A Stone (#10)
Thank you.
Wall Street owns the country…Our laws are the output of a system which clothes rascals in robes and honesty in rags. The [political] parties lie to us and the political speakers mislead us…Money rules. Mary Elizabeth Lease, 1890
#12. To: lucysmom (#2)
The above from the comments section made me think of you.
LOL.
You only think you think. A typical mistake of the sheeple.
DUMMY DwarF: ...I'm eating a meatball...
Capitalist Eric: Foreplay before the president's staff?
"Whenver the dwarf sees something negative about a Democrat, he tries to change the topic of the thread to something else. Usually a personal attack, followed by mutterings about correct 'grammar' 'spelling' whatever. Anything he can think of to avoid a discussion about a Democrat screwing up or looking bad. It's a decade long pattern." --Badeye observation--
#13. To: lucysmom (#0)
CNC: Libertarian Bryan Caplan says that “hard-core libertarians’ comparative advantage is to play watchdog for moderate libertarians – and make them seem reasonable by comparison.” You see, on many areas other libertarians secretly agree with us, but they are afraid to acknowledge it openly. Instead, they prefer to let us take the heat for our principled positions, and to wait for us to turn previously “radical” ideas into common sense.
I got to this point, and realized that the entire article was complete bullshit. The over-the-top comment exposed the lie that this article is...
Libertarians don't bother to play this game.
Socialists and communists do, but libertarians don't bother. Libertarians put out the facts, the data, the history, and let the sheeple try to push the immoveable object into a more pleasing light.
DUMMY DwarF: ...I'm eating a meatball...
Capitalist Eric: Foreplay before the president's staff?
"Whenver the dwarf sees something negative about a Democrat, he tries to change the topic of the thread to something else. Usually a personal attack, followed by mutterings about correct 'grammar' 'spelling' whatever. Anything he can think of to avoid a discussion about a Democrat screwing up or looking bad. It's a decade long pattern." --Badeye observation--
#14. To: A K A Stone (#6)
Your article makes no sense.
Sure it does. It's a disinfo piece, designed to make any libertarian seem both elitist and hopelessly insane.
Notice the selected quotes and misrepresentations, which are judiciously applied to anyone who has even somewhat anti big-government thoughts...?
And to top it all off, no names, no solid facts, nothing that can actually be verified.
Ain't big-government propaganda grand?
DUMMY DwarF: ...I'm eating a meatball...
Capitalist Eric: Foreplay before the president's staff?
"Whenver the dwarf sees something negative about a Democrat, he tries to change the topic of the thread to something else. Usually a personal attack, followed by mutterings about correct 'grammar' 'spelling' whatever. Anything he can think of to avoid a discussion about a Democrat screwing up or looking bad. It's a decade long pattern." --Badeye observation--
#15. To: Capitalist Eric (#14)
And to top it all off, no names, no solid facts, nothing that can actually be verified.
Actually there are many names and references that can be checked.
Wall Street owns the country…Our laws are the output of a system which clothes rascals in robes and honesty in rags. The [political] parties lie to us and the political speakers mislead us…Money rules. Mary Elizabeth Lease, 1890
#16. To: Capitalist Eric (#14)
It's a disinfo piece, designed to make any libertarian seem both elitist and hopelessly insane.
From Capitalist Eric to me: You only think you think. A typical mistake of the sheeple.
I'd say you need no help in the sounding elitist department.
Here is a quote from a libertarian who thinks libertarians have a problem with elitism within their ranks.
Libertarians stand at a crossroads concerning "the common man" (whoever he may be). Sadly, many libertarians view themselves on a higher plane of thinking, which, whether this is true, alienates individuals who have not been properly introduced to the concept of true individual liberty. With all due deference to my fellow Capital bloggers, starting off your blog with "People are stupid" is a bad idea and an elitist (yet strangely common) attitude.
(doesn't that bit I've bolded kind of sound like you)
libertariansteve.blogspot...em-with-libertarians.html
Wall Street owns the country…Our laws are the output of a system which clothes rascals in robes and honesty in rags. The [political] parties lie to us and the political speakers mislead us…Money rules. Mary Elizabeth Lease, 1890
#17. To: lucysmom, A K A Stone, *Liberal Rehab Staff* (#1) (Edited)
Perhaps one of you good patriotic American Libertarians would explain to me how destroying the government outlined in the Constitution by the founding fathers is Constitutional.
You really need to read the constitution with an emphasis on understanding it.
Any sort of change in the constitution is possible by the amendment process. If an amendment was passed to burn the original constitution on the supreme court steps, then it would be done.
Can you tell us the other way to change the constitution? CC <<== hint
"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul
Obama's watch stopped on 24 May 2008, but he's been too busy smoking crack to notice.
#18. To: hondo68 (#17)
Any sort of change in the constitution is possible by the amendment process. If an amendment was passed to burn the original constitution on the supreme court steps, then it would be done.
So then Communism would be Constitutional and in keeping with the intent of the founding fathers as long as the appropriate amendment(s) were passed in the Constitutionally approved manner.
Wall Street owns the country…Our laws are the output of a system which clothes rascals in robes and honesty in rags. The [political] parties lie to us and the political speakers mislead us…Money rules. Mary Elizabeth Lease, 1890
#19. To: lucysmom (#16)
From Capitalist Eric to me: You only think you think. A typical mistake of the sheeple.
I'd say you need no help in the sounding elitist department.
Denial; another typical sheeple trait. I paraphrased someone you might have heard of...
"Five percent of the people think; 10 percent of the people think they think; and the other 85 percent would rather die than think." -- Thomas Edison --
DUMMY DwarF: ...I'm eating a meatball...
Capitalist Eric: Foreplay before the president's staff?
"Whenver the dwarf sees something negative about a Democrat, he tries to change the topic of the thread to something else. Usually a personal attack, followed by mutterings about correct 'grammar' 'spelling' whatever. Anything he can think of to avoid a discussion about a Democrat screwing up or looking bad. It's a decade long pattern." --Badeye observation--
#20. To: lucysmom (#18)
So then Communism would be Constitutional and in keeping with the intent of the founding fathers as long as the appropriate amendment(s) were passed in the Constitutionally approved manner.
DUMMY DwarF: ...I'm eating a meatball...
Capitalist Eric: Foreplay before the president's staff?
"Whenver the dwarf sees something negative about a Democrat, he tries to change the topic of the thread to something else. Usually a personal attack, followed by mutterings about correct 'grammar' 'spelling' whatever. Anything he can think of to avoid a discussion about a Democrat screwing up or looking bad. It's a decade long pattern." --Badeye observation--
#21. To: Capitalist Eric (#19)
Denial; another typical sheeple trait.
Are you denying your elitist bent?
Ever since man developed his brain and the capacity to think, he's carefully avoided the painful process. Childe
Wall Street owns the country…Our laws are the output of a system which clothes rascals in robes and honesty in rags. The [political] parties lie to us and the political speakers mislead us…Money rules. Mary Elizabeth Lease, 1890
#22. To: Capitalist Eric (#20)
It appears the question is beyond your capacity to answer.
Wall Street owns the country…Our laws are the output of a system which clothes rascals in robes and honesty in rags. The [political] parties lie to us and the political speakers mislead us…Money rules. Mary Elizabeth Lease, 1890
#23. To: lucysmom (#22)
Some questions are so utterly stupid that they don't deserve consideration. Such questions reflect more on the intelligence (or lack thereof) of the person posing the illegitimate question.
DUMMY DwarF: ...I'm eating a meatball...
Capitalist Eric: Foreplay before the president's staff?
"Whenver the dwarf sees something negative about a Democrat, he tries to change the topic of the thread to something else. Usually a personal attack, followed by mutterings about correct 'grammar' 'spelling' whatever. Anything he can think of to avoid a discussion about a Democrat screwing up or looking bad. It's a decade long pattern." --Badeye observation--
#24. To: Capitalist Eric (#23)
Some questions are so utterly stupid that they don't deserve consideration. Such questions reflect more on the intelligence (or lack thereof) of the person posing the illegitimate question.
What was the Alinsky rule pertaining to ridicule?
Wall Street owns the country…Our laws are the output of a system which clothes rascals in robes and honesty in rags. The [political] parties lie to us and the political speakers mislead us…Money rules. Mary Elizabeth Lease, 1890
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