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Title: No Room for 9/11 Survivors at 10th Anniversary Ceremony, City Says
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URL Source: http://www.dnainfo.com/20110713/dow ... remony-city-says#ixzz1S4tZLhxJ
Published: Sep 8, 2011
Author: Julie Shapiro, DNAinfo Reporter/Producer
Post Date: 2011-09-08 18:57:55 by Capitalist Eric
Keywords: None
Views: 23163
Comments: 35

LOWER MANHATTAN — Survivors who fled the flaming World Trade Center on Sept. 11, 2001 will not be allowed to attend the city's annual commemoration ceremony at Ground Zero this year, DNAinfo has learned.

The mayor's office, which runs the ceremony, informed the World Trade Center Survivors' Network last week that there will be no room for them at this year's 10th anniversary ceremony, which will be held for the first time at the newly built 9/11 memorial, the city said.

"In years past, members of this survivors' group were permitted to attend once it was clear that attendance numbers of victims’ family members would allow it," said Andrew Brent, spokesman for the mayor's office.

"The commemoration ceremony is for victims' family members, and this year – on the 10th anniversary of 9/11 – the expectation is there will be no opportunity for members of the group to attend."

September 11th will again be an emotional day for victims’ family members, survivors, responders, millions of New Yorkers and people from all over the country and the world, but obvious space constraints on the Memorial plaza will limit the attendees to victims’ families," Brent added.

Survivors of the 9/11 attacks had called the mayor's office in the runup to the anniversary to ask for permission to attend again this year. Survivors were initially not allowed to attend the name-reading ceremony in the years immediately following the terrorist attacks, but were later granted access, the group said.

Leaders of the WTC Survivors' Network emailed to alert its members Tuesday night.

"We were recently informed by the mayor's office that attendance at this year's September 11th name reading ceremony will be reserved for family members only and if an exception is made for us we won't know until just a few days beforehand," wrote organizers Richard Zimbler and Brendan Chellis.

"I'm sure we speak for everyone in saying that this is particularly disappointing because we have attended the ceremony every year since the mayor's office first allowed us to go."

Survivors still plan to go to the memorial, either by attending on Sept. 12 or by finding out at the last minute that there is room for them on the anniversary, they said.

"We do intend to be there one way or another...," they wrote. "Even when they could barely get a thousand people there, or when the weather was horrible, survivors were there to remember those who were lost and show our thanks for being the lucky ones to get out."

Staff at National September 11 Memorial & Museum have previously said they expect record attendance from victims' family members on the 10th anniversary of the attack, and the new 9/11 memorial has a limited capacity because it is surrounded by construction.

But for those who almost lost their lives that day, the exclusion is too much.

"It's a real slap in the face on top of everything else we've already had to go through," said Shannon Loy, who escaped the World Trade Center on Sept. 11 after going to the building on business. "It makes me really sad."

Loy, 38, who lives in North Kansas City, MO, started an online petition asking the city to reconsider its decision. The petition has already gathered more than 500 signatures, many accompanied by emotional pleas.

"There is a scar inside us that needs to heal," wrote one person who signed the petition.

Unlike some of the other survivors, Loy has not returned to New York City since the Twin Towers crumbled around her.

She didn't want any reminders of the terrorist attack that nearly killed her along with almost 3,000 other people: The sight of the burned, bloodied bodies as she evacuated the North Tower was seared in her mind, and the breathing problems she developed from inhaling the toxic dust made the events impossible to forget.

Loy finally felt ready to return, with her husband and 14-year-old daughter by her side, and saved money and vacation days for the trip to attend the 10th anniversary.

She even asked the mayor's office about reading some of the victims' names at the ceremony, she said.

"I thought it would help me," Loy said. "It's like going to a funeral. There's not any closure, but it's a sacred site. There were people who gave their lives so I could get out."

Loy also hoped to meet for the first time with other survivors, to hear their stories and learn about how they have been coping for the past 10 years. Now she says she will have to find another way to mark the day.

As Loy looks back, one moment in particular sticks in her mind, reinforcing her desire to participate in the ceremony.

When Loy was fleeing the damaged towers, she paused to look up and take a picture. A woman in a Port Authority uniform told her to put away her camera and run.

Loy obeyed and made it to the relative safety of a subway platform as the first tower collapsed.

"I don't know if that woman is alive," Loy said, "but she saved my life."

Read more: http://www.dnainfo.com/20110713/downtown/no-room-for-911-survivors-at-10th-anniversary-ceremony-city-says#ixzz1XP8uAwOU


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NEVER let the victims get in the way of a good photo-op!

These God-Damned politicians are DESPICABLE.

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#1. To: Capitalist Eric (#0)

“I am confident that there is conversation inside the Government as to ‘How do we deal with Sibel?’” contends Ellsberg. “The first line of defense is to ensure that she doesn’t get into the media. I think any outlet that thought of using her materials would go to to the government and they would be told ‘don’t touch this . . . .‘”

Other Whistleblowers Being Silenced

Edmonds also says that she has been contacted by two high-ranking military officers who would like to shed light on 9/11, but - due to their oaths of secrecy - can only do so if subpoenaed. No one in Washington wants to issue a subpoena. High-Level Military Intelligence Officer: No One In Washington Wants To Know

mcgowanjm  posted on  2011-09-09   9:45:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: All (#1)

CBS News)

NEW YORK - Before the attacks of 9/11, the Courtlandt Street subway stop was at the foot of the Twin Towers. This was where tens of thousands of New Yorkers got off the train to head into the World Trade Center. Joe Irizarry was the motorman who drove many of them to work.

"I have no desire to come back," Irizarry tells CBS News correspondent Jim Axelrod.

Who could blame him? At 8:46 a.m. on the morning of September 11th, 2001, Irizarry had just pulled his train into the station. Seconds later, the first plane hit.

"What gave you the feeling something had gone wrong," Axelrod asks.

"It actually shook my train," Irizarry replies.

AND THAT"S IMPOSSIBLE.

The subway would NOT have been affected by the plane hitting FLR 79.

mcgowanjm  posted on  2011-09-09   9:50:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: All (#2)

Here's What happened at 8:46 AM on 9/11 that the Subway Driver felt:

# William Rodriguez - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Rodriguez - CachedSimilar You +1'd this publicly. Undo

Jump to 9/11 attacks46;: Rodriguez said he usually clocked in at 8:00 a.m. and rode an ... On 9/11, Rodriguez told CNN that shortly before the plane hit the tower he was in the basement when: ... All of a sudden at 8:46… we hear 'BOOM! ...

William Rodriguez

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On 9/11, Rodriguez initially rescued fifteen (15) persons from the WTC, and as ... North Tower impact at about 8:46 A.M., and is believed to be the last person to ...

mcgowanjm  posted on  2011-09-09   9:54:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: All (#3)

Complete 911 Timeline: World Trade Center

www.historycommons.org › ... › Afghanistan › Complete 911 Timeline - CachedSimilar You +1'd this publicly. Undo

According to the New York Observer, “If the attack had happened just a little later, Mr. ... 8:46 a.m. September 11, 2001: Flight 11 Hits the North Tower of the World Trade Center .... William Rodriguez has worked at the World Trade Center for 20 years, including the time ... We're talking about a 50 ton hydraulic press—gone! ...

How many times will you hear of

WILLIAM RODRIGUEZ

&

SIBEL EDMONDS

&

YSRAEL

mcgowanjm  posted on  2011-09-09   9:56:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: mcgowanjm (#4)

WILLIAM RODRIGUEZ

&

SIBEL EDMONDS

&

YSRAEL

Edmonds is a plant.

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-09-09   9:57:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: mcgowanjm (#4)

Post something about the Dancing Israelis.

Fred Mertz  posted on  2011-09-09   9:58:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Fred Mertz (#6)

They were just excited at capturing something significant on camera. That is my honest take on it.

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-09-09   9:59:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: A K A Stone (#5)

Edmonds is a plant.

Wrong! If she was she'd be all over the MSM.

She did receive some coverage years ago, but she's since been treated like a leper.

Fred Mertz  posted on  2011-09-09   10:00:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Fred Mertz (#8)

If she was real she would spill the beans.

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-09-09   10:01:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: A K A Stone (#9)

She's been gagged by the feds for national security reasons, doncha know.

Fred Mertz  posted on  2011-09-09   10:12:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Fred Mertz (#10)

She's been gagged by the feds for national security reasons, doncha know.

Who cares. If she was a patriot she would speak anyways. Ever heard of the first amendment. It nullifies every gag order. Who is going to prosecute a woman who proved the truth about 911. She is false flag or however you want to phrase it. Just like that nutjob Palo Verde.

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-09-09   10:14:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Fred Mertz (#10)

But what about my explanation of the dancing Israelis? Is it plausible?

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-09-09   10:15:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Fred Mertz (#6)

Post something about the Dancing Israelis.

Glad to:

"The controversy around Urban Moving Systems (active as a business since approximately 1996) centers around the fact that it was a Mossad front company, and whether or not the “employees” (agents) knew what was about to go down on September 11th.

There were also, according to the FBI report, traces of explosive in the van used in the Dancing Israelis incident. Were members of this group involved in rigging the towers for demolition?

Section 1, page 35

In section 5, page 25 of the FBI report, a male eyewitness who was painting the interior of an apartment spots the Dancing Israelis on a nearby roof “less than 5 minutes” after the first plane hits the WTC. The location of the roof, 100 Manhattan Avenue in Union City, NJ, is a 5 minute drive from Urban Moving Systems at 3 W 18th Street in Weehauken.

mcgowanjm  posted on  2011-09-09   10:15:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: A K A Stone (#12)

But what about my explanation of the dancing Israelis? Is it plausible?

"This contradicts the statement of one of the Israelis in the 2nd video, who claims they began driving to that point after the first plane hit the towers.

Section 1, pages 36-37

There were a number of reasons I retrieved and posted the 4 page police report from the East Rutherford, NJ P.D. on the 9-11-2001 Dancing Israelis incident. If any 9-11 researchers had seen the report, they failed to make it available for public scrutiny.

As a consequence, some individuals have concluded that the Dancing Israelis were an “urban legend”, based only on researchers’ opinions and a slew of seemingly disparate facts."

mcgowanjm  posted on  2011-09-09   10:17:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: mcgowanjm (#13)

There were also, according to the FBI report, traces of explosive in the van

Have a link for that buddy?

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-09-09   10:17:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: A K A Stone (#7)

They were just excited at capturing something significant on camera. That is my honest take on it.

In the Military, ignorance is no excuse.

"37

There were a number of reasons I retrieved and posted the 4 page police report from the East Rutherford, NJ P.D. on the 9-11-2001 Dancing Israelis incident. If any 9-11 researchers had seen the report, they failed to make it available for public scrutiny.

As a consequence, some individuals have concluded that the Dancing Israelis were an “urban legend”, based only on researchers’ opinions and a slew of seemingly disparate facts.

Section 5, page 41.

Fill out an FOIA request, or write a letter, and these public records are yours for a few dollars, or free. So why have we not seen (until now) official documentation on these suspicious events – events that apparently never got a mention in the 9-11 Commission Report?

Section 5, pages 62-63.

The FBI’s investigation of the Dancing Israelis is close to 450 pages long. Many sections are blanked out, some pages have been withheld, and it won’t be completely declassified until 2030 at the earliest."

mcgowanjm  posted on  2011-09-09   10:20:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: A K A Stone (#5)

Edmonds is a plant.

Edmonds is a Super Patriot who had just obtained her citizenship.

She volunteered as someone speaking fluent Turk to translate.

The FBI badly needed her.

She was hounded by In House Turkish Allies. 9/11 was secondary, believe it or not.

I can go into detail on this if you want more.

mcgowanjm  posted on  2011-09-09   10:25:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: A K A Stone (#15)

Have a link for that buddy?

First. I'm not your buddy. ;}

Second. I've got a link. But I'm not going to give it to you yet.

Because I don't want you to change the subject onto my sources. Cause you know my sources Will Not be Reuters/ABCCBSNBCCNNFOXBBC or Any of the USSA EMpire's AgitProp.

What specifically do you question.....buddy....;}

That the FBI actually have a report on the Dancing Israelis?

BTW, there are TWO Vans of Explosives. The other had 9/11 WTC towers/American Airlines Plane painted on it.

# # Major 911 Curiosity Completely Ignored By The Media www.rense.com/general65/mahor.htm - Cached You +1'd this publicly. Undo They were reported to police and eventually picked up by the FBI. ... Makow credited investigative reporter Chris Bollyn as the source of that report. .... Isn't it easy to tie the trace of explosives, the van and the "moving" company together? ...

Israelis arrested on suspicion of 9-11 involvement - The Web Fairy thewebfairy.com/nerdcities/.../israelis-arrested-9-11.htm - Cached You +1'd this publicly. Undo

After grilling the men and searching the van in vain for explosives, the FBI turned .... The Jerusalem Post reported on October 26 that the Israelis were smiling as they .... The United States should trace the perpetrators of these attacks to those ...

mcgowanjm  posted on  2011-09-09   10:32:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: A K A Stone (#15)

There are numerous other whistleblowers with key information about 9/11. But no one in the government or media wants to hear what they know.

9/11 was one of the most important events in American history, as 10 years of war in numerous countries - costing trillions of dollars - and the crackdown on liberties like freedom of speech have all been justified by that one event. And yet the politicians in D.C. and the corporate media don't want to hear from the people who can explain the gross incompetence (or worse) which occurred on that day...

http://www.zerohedge.com/contributed/high-level-officials-eager-spill-beans-about-what-really-happened-911-%E2%80%A6-no-one-washingto

mcgowanjm  posted on  2011-09-09   10:34:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: All (#19)

8:46 AM

William Rodriguez

Subway Driver

both hear explosion.

Moments later Rodriguez discovers the 50 ton press has been 'vaporized'...

mcgowanjm  posted on  2011-09-09   10:36:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: All (#20)

And you can find incontrovertible facts everywhere on 9/11.

Never before. Never after.

Search Results

1. Jet fuel www.911myths.com/html/jet_fuel.html - Cached You +1'd this publicly. Undo

This collection of accounts of the north tower explosion is taken from a JREF forum ... It was 8:46 a.m. on Sept. ... of the World Trade Center, something he wouldn't know about until later. ... About 50 feet down the hallway, he heard a loud explosion and was lifted ..... If it wasn't for William Rodriguez, I wouldn't be here today." ...

2. Complete 911 Timeline: World Trade Center www.historycommons.org › ... › Afghanistan › Complete 911 Timeline - CachedSimilar

You +1'd this publicly. Undo 8:46 a.m. September 11, 2001: Flight 11 Hits the North Tower of the World Trade Center .... William Rodriguez has worked at the World Trade Center for 20 years, including the time ... Rodriguez will later question, “Now you tell me how an explosion from a jet liner could ... We're talking about a 50 ton hydraulic press—gone! ...

mcgowanjm  posted on  2011-09-09   10:38:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: All (#21)

• 9/11 - Standard operating procedures for military scramble approval was for the FAA to contact the National Military Command Center (NMCC) to request air support, then the NMCC would contact NORAD to find out about aircraft availability, then NORAD would seek final approval from Secretary of Defense, Donald Rumsfeld.

"On Sept. 11, the normal scramble-approval procedure was for an FAA official to contact the National Military Command Center (NMCC) and request Pentagon air support. Someone in the NMCC would call Norad's command center and ask about availability of aircraft, then seek approval from the Defense Secretary--Donald H. Rumsfeld--to launch fighters." - Aviation Week (06/03/02)

9/11 Tapes Reveal Ground Personnel Muffled Attacks

"What’s more, the decades-old procedure for a quick response by the nation’s air defense had been changed in June of 2001."

On 9/12 the Protocol was changed back to Status Quo Ante.

mcgowanjm  posted on  2011-09-09   10:45:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: All (#22)

• Pre 9/11 - The CIA had more than 100 Afghans acting as spies before Sept. 11 a top former CIA official said.

Former CIA official: 9/11 could not be averted

"A top former CIA official said the intelligence agency had more than 100 Afghans acting as spies before the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks, but told a magazine in a rare interview that nothing could have averted the attacks. Cofer Black, the former head of the CIA's counterterrorism center, said that looking back, he can't think of a thing “we could have done that would have changed anything.” Black, a top executive with Blackwater Worldwide, the security firm, made the comment in an interview published in November issue of Men's Journal." - signonsandiego.com (10/06/08)

mcgowanjm  posted on  2011-09-09   10:53:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: All (#23)

Buzz Krongard, CIA, Deutsche Brown Harriman, PROMIS Software

And now we get into the REAL $$$ of 9/11

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mcgowanjm  posted on  2011-09-09   10:56:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: All (#24)

Post Fri Sep 09, 2011 10:27 am by mcgowanjm • 9/11 (6:00 am) - NORAD was in day two of a week long exercise called "Vigilant Guardian" in which some of it's military participants thought the first reports of the hijackings later on in the day were "part of the exercise."

8:30 to 8:46 was a Critical Time Sequence on 9/11.

Gen Montaigne WhatshISfuck had just turned over command to a Rookie. FAA also had a Rookie in charge.

Sept. 11 was Day II of "Vigilant Guardian," an exercise that would pose an imaginary crisis to North American Air Defense outposts nationwide. The simulation would run all week, and Deskins, starting her 12-hour shift in the Operations Center as the NORAD unit's airborne control and warning officer, might find herself on the spot. At 8:40, Deskins noticed senior technician Jeremy Powell waving his hand. Boston Center was on the line, he said. It had a hijacked airplane. "It must be part of the exercise," Deskins thought. At first, everybody did. Then Deskins saw the glowing direct phone line to the Federal Aviation Administration. On the phone she heard the voice of a military liaison for the FAA's Boston Center.

On the phone she heard the voice of a military liaison for the FAA's Boston Center.

That was Colin Scoggins who came in atAbout 8:30 and proceed to take over the ENTIRE Northeast Air Traffic Control.

There are MANY inconsistencies with Colin Scoggins and his Account of what transpired.

mcgowanjm  posted on  2011-09-09   11:16:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: All (#25)

There are MANY inconsistencies with Colin Scoggins and his Account of what transpired.

As we saw, flight controllers are supposed to react quickly if they see any one of the three standard signs of a hijacking. But Flight 11 hit the Trifecta, showing all three signs, and yet no one at the Boston FAA Center, we are told, took any action for some time. Eventually, Boston, having heard hijackers giving orders, called the FAA Command Center in Herndon. Herndon then called FAA headquarters in Washington, but no one there, we are told, called the military. Finally, the FAA center in Boston called NEADS directly at 8:38 (158).

To accept this story, we would have to believe that although the FAA should have notified the military about Flight 11 within a minute of seeing the danger signals at 8:15, the FAA personnel at Boston, Herndon, and Washington were all so incompetent that 23 minutes passed before the military was notified. We would then need to reconcile this picture of top-to-bottom dereliction of duty, which contributed to thousands of deaths, with the fact that no FAA personnel were fired.

An 8-Minute Phone Call

The next implausible element in the story involves Colonel Robert Marr, the commander at NEADS. As we saw earlier, if he had had planes scrambled immediately, even from Otis, they might have prevented the first attack on the World Trade Center. And yet, we are told, he called down to Florida to General Larry Arnold, the head of NORAD's US Continental Region, to get authorization to have planes scrambled, and this phone call took 8 minutes (165).7

Besides the fact that this would be an extraordinarily long phone call in an emergency situation, this call was not even necessary. The Commission, to be sure, would have us believe that Marr had to get approval from superiors. But the very document from the Department of Defense cited by the Commission indicates that anyone in the military chain of command, upon receiving "verbal requests from civil authorities for support in an . . . emergency may . . . immediately respond" (166).8 Colonel Marr, therefore, could have responded on his own.

mcgowanjm  posted on  2011-09-09   11:21:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: All (#26)

No wonder these 9/11 threads go silent.

You have to be be a total moron to not see the coordination of Total Abdication between 8:30 and 9:02.

There are MANY inconsistencies with Colin Scoggins and his Account of what transpired.

As we saw, flight controllers are supposed to react quickly if they see any one of the three standard signs of a hijacking. But Flight 11 hit the Trifecta, showing all three signs, and yet no one at the Boston FAA Center, we are told, took any action for some time. Eventually, Boston, having heard hijackers giving orders, called the FAA Command Center in Herndon. Herndon then called FAA headquarters in Washington, but no one there, we are told, called the military. Finally, the FAA center in Boston called NEADS directly at 8:38 (158).

To accept this story, we would have to believe that although the FAA should have notified the military about Flight 11 within a minute of seeing the danger signals at 8:15, the FAA personnel at Boston, Herndon, and Washington were all so incompetent that 23 minutes passed before the military was notified. We would then need to reconcile this picture of top-to-bottom dereliction of duty, which contributed to thousands of deaths, with the fact that no FAA personnel were fired.

An 8-Minute Phone Call

The next implausible element in the story involves Colonel Robert Marr, the commander at NEADS. As we saw earlier, if he had had planes scrambled immediately, even from Otis, they might have prevented the first attack on the World Trade Center. And yet, we are told, he called down to Florida to General Larry Arnold, the head of NORAD's US Continental Region, to get authorization to have planes scrambled, and this phone call took 8 minutes (165).7

Besides the fact that this would be an extraordinarily long phone call in an emergency situation, this call was not even necessary. The Commission, to be sure, would have us believe that Marr had to get approval from superiors. But the very document from the Department of Defense cited by the Commission indicates that anyone in the military chain of command, upon receiving "verbal requests from civil authorities for support in an . . . emergency may . . . immediately respond" (166).8 Colonel Marr, therefore, could have responded on his own.

mcgowanjm  posted on  2011-09-09   11:25:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: mcgowanjm (#2)

The subway would NOT have been affected by the plane hitting FLR 79.

I know people who were on their way over on PATH - under the Hudson - who said they felt the shock...I know people who were in the WTC concourse as well who felt it.

You have 0 idea what that explosion felt like...it went through me stronger than any fireworks display I had ever felt and my chair shook as the floor rumbled...

America...My Kind Of Place...

"I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..."
--GW Bush

"THE MILITIA IS COMING!!! THE MILITIA IS COMING!!!"
--Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere"

I lurk to see if someone other than Myst or Pookie posts anything...

war  posted on  2011-09-09   12:40:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: war (#28)

I know people who were on their way over on PATH - under the Hudson - who said they felt the shock...I know people who were in the WTC concourse as well who felt it.

They Felt the William Rodriguez BASEMENT explosion.

A 50 Ton Press Gone.

"You have 0 idea what that explosion felt like...it went through me stronger than any fireworks display I had ever felt and my chair shook as the floor rumbled..."

EXACTLY.

The FLOOR rumbled.

At 8:46 AM.

William Rodriguez. They want to Barry Jennings the guy, but he has yet to waver.

mcgowanjm  posted on  2011-09-09   13:54:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: war (#28)

And note how many people think 9/11 caused the Recession.

Re: DOOM Investing

Post Fri Sep 09, 2011 1:04 pm by mcgowanjm Germany DAX has lost over 25% of it's market since July.

Just sayin.... :? 8-)

Deutsche Bank of Buzzy Krongard 9/11 Body Parts on the Roof INFAMY is down...

50%.

Big Trouble on the way.

Mr Margin Calling on Line 1.

mcgowanjm  posted on  2011-09-09   13:55:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: mcgowanjm (#29)

Please...the explosion occurred in a tube and blasted in all directions...you 9/11 Moonbats have one thing in common...and it's not sense...

America...My Kind Of Place...

"I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..."
--GW Bush

"THE MILITIA IS COMING!!! THE MILITIA IS COMING!!!"
--Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere"

I lurk to see if someone other than Myst or Pookie posts anything...

war  posted on  2011-09-09   14:05:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: All (#25) (Edited)

8:30 to 8:46 was a Critical Time Sequence on 9/11.

Gen Montaigne WhatshISfuck had just turned over command to a Rookie. FAA also had a Rookie in charge.

EDIT:

General Montague (how could I forget this war Criminals name;} Winnfield.

Leidig Takes Over as DDO - As arranged, Leidig takes over from Winfield as DDO at 8:30 a.m., allowing Winfield to attend his meeting. Upon arrival at the NMCC, Leidig receives the intelligence and other turn over briefings.

After seeing the reports of the plane crashes in New York on television, he will be responsible for convening a significant event conference (see 9:29 a.m.-9:34 a.m. September 11, 2001), which he soon upgrades to an air threat conference (see 9:37 a.m.-9:39 a.m. September 11, 2001).

[9/11 Commission, 4/29/2004 pdf file; 9/11 Commission, 6/17/2004 pdf file] Winfield Does Not Resume Duties until Attacks Are Over - Even though it becomes obvious that a coordinated attack is under way when television shows the second plane hitting the World Trade Center at 9:03 a.m. (see 9:03 a.m. September 11, 2001), Winfield apparently remains in his meeting instead of resuming his duties as DDO (see (Shortly After 9:03 a.m.) September 11, 2001).

He will only take over from Leidig as DDO after Flight 93 crashes in Pennsylvania,

apparently at around 10:30 a.m. (see (10:30 a.m.) September 11, 2001). [9/11 Commission, 4/29/2004 pdf file; 9/11 Commission, 6/17/2004] In later interviews for television, Winfield will give the impression that he remained in charge of the NMCC throughout the 9/11 attacks, and make no mention of having allowed a stand-in to take his place during this most critical period of time.

[CNN, 9/4/2002; ABC News, 9/11/2002]

Entity Tags: Montague Winfield, Norman R. Seip, Charles Leidig

mcgowanjm  posted on  2011-09-09   20:41:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: war (#31)

...you 9/11 Moonbats have one thing in common...and it's not sense...

I take exception to that. Carry on though...

Fred Mertz  posted on  2011-09-10   21:33:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: Fred Mertz (#33)

And I'll gladly make you the exception...

America...My Kind Of Place...

"I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..."
--GW Bush

"THE MILITIA IS COMING!!! THE MILITIA IS COMING!!!"
--Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere"

I lurk to see if someone other than Myst or Pookie posts anything...

war  posted on  2011-09-12   8:54:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: war (#34)

Fair enough.

Fred Mertz  posted on  2011-09-12   8:57:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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