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Title: Ron Paul Rails Against Rick Santorum: ‘We Just Plain Don’t Mind Our Own Business!’
Source: Mediaite.com
URL Source: http://www.mediaite.com/tv/rep-ron- ... in-dont-mind-our-own-business/
Published: Aug 12, 2011
Author: Mediaite.com
Post Date: 2011-08-12 01:18:40 by Brian S
Keywords: None
Views: 68702
Comments: 85

The debate began with the two most similar candidates– Minnesotans Gov. Tim Pawlenty and Rep. Michele Bachmann– pulling no punches in disparaging each other’s records. It wouldn’t take long for the two most different candidates to have at it, and the foreign policy conversation between. Rep. Ron Paul and Rick Santorum delivered just as much as the experience one among the Minnesotans.

Rep. Paul brought his vintage A-game to the debate on foreign policy tonight, attacking America’s foreign policy on Iran and arguing that they were entirely justified in wanting nuclear weapons. Arguing that the USSR had nuclear weapons and “they were the greatest danger in our history,” he concluded it made no sense to stop the Iranians, who were not a threat. Oh, and by the way, “that’s why we don’t have trade relations with Cuba,” he added as an aside. “It’s about time we start talking to Cuba and stop these wars that are 30-40 years old.”

At this, Santorum shot up, interrupting Herman Cain’s question to respond as the author of the anti-Iranian bill that riled up Rep. Paul so much. “Iran is not Iceland,” he argued, noting that “Iran has killed more American men and women in uniform than the Iraqis [sic] or Afghans have.” He also added that Iran “is at war with us,” which gave Rep. Paul a comeback opening. “We started it in 1953… we installed the Shah, and the blowback came in 1979… it’s been going on because we just plain don’t mind our own business,” he shouted, to cheers.

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#4. To: Brian S (#0)

Rep. Paul brought his vintage A-game to the debate on foreign policy tonight, attacking America’s foreign policy on Iran and arguing that they were entirely justified in wanting nuclear weapons.

This is a misrepresentation of what Dr. Paul actually said. He didn't say the Iranians were justified in wanting nuclear weapons, he said the US wasn't justified in stopping them. There is a big difference.

Thunderbird  posted on  2011-08-12   9:19:56 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Thunderbird Brian S (#4)

This is a misrepresentation of what Dr. Paul actually said. He didn't say the Iranians were justified in wanting nuclear weapons, he said the US wasn't justified in stopping them. There is a big difference.

What did Ron Paul actually say ... he said:

Why would that be so strange if the Soviets and the Chinese had nuclear weapons, we tolerated the Soviets. We didn't attack them. And they were a much greater danger. They were the greatest danger to us in our whole history. But you don't go to war with them. Just think of how many nuclear weapons surround Iran. The Chinese are there. The Indians are there. The Pakistanis are there. The Israelis are there. The United States is there. All these countries ... why wouldn't it be natural if they might want a weapon? Internationally, they might be given more respect.

OriginalGatlin  posted on  2011-08-12   10:46:17 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: Gatlin (#14)

Why would that be so strange if the Soviets and the Chinese had nuclear weapons, we tolerated the Soviets. We didn't attack them. And they were a much greater danger. They were the greatest danger to us in our whole history. But you don't go to war with them. Just think of how many nuclear weapons surround Iran. The Chinese are there. The Indians are there. The Pakistanis are there. The Israelis are there. The United States is there. All these countries ... why wouldn't it be natural if they might want a weapon? Internationally, they might be given more respect.

He's right - the idea that the Iranians would nuke Israel is pretty silly given the likely response, and the fact that winds would blow fallout back at them. There's no evidence that the Iranians are any more suicidal than the Soviets or North Koreans.

And a desire by the Iranians to want nukes is perfectly understandable given U.S. forces on both their borders while we leave North Korea and Pakistan alone.

go65  posted on  2011-08-12   11:07:00 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: go65. Brian S, Thunderbird (#17)

Why would that be so strange if the Soviets and the Chinese had nuclear weapons, we tolerated the Soviets. We didn't attack them. And they were a much greater danger. They were the greatest danger to us in our whole history. But you don't go to war with them. Just think of how many nuclear weapons surround Iran. The Chinese are there. The Indians are there. The Pakistanis are there. The Israelis are there. The United States is there. All these countries ... why wouldn't it be natural if they might want a weapon? Internationally, they might be given more respect.

He's right - the idea that the Iranians would nuke Israel is pretty silly given the likely response, and the fact that winds would blow fallout back at them. There's no evidence that the Iranians are any more suicidal than the Soviets or North Koreans.

And a desire by the Iranians to want nukes is perfectly understandable given U.S. forces on both their borders while we leave North Korea and Pakistan alone.

The original point: Ron Paul say the Iranians are justified in wanting/having nuclear weapons?

OriginalGatlin  posted on  2011-08-12   11:15:21 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: Gatlin (#19)

The original point: Ron Paul say the Iranians are justified in wanting/having nuclear weapons?

I didn't watch the debate, so my only context is the video clip linked at the top of the thread. That clip doesn't show Ron Paul saying "Just think of how many nuclear weapons surround Iran. The Chinese are there. The Indians are there. The Pakistanis are there. The Israelis are there. The United States is there. All these countries ... why wouldn't it be natural if they might want a weapon? Internationally, they might be given more respect."

It does seem naive / irresponsible to think the world would be better off with no deterrent to nuclear proliferation, or that the United States itself would be safer.

Thunderbird  posted on  2011-08-12   13:02:18 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: Thunderbird, *Neo-Lib Chickenhawk Wars* (#32)

It does seem naive / irresponsible to think the world would be better off with no deterrent to nuclear proliferation

Not as naive as thinking that you can run the world.

Hondo68  posted on  2011-08-12   13:21:19 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: hondo68, (#33)

Not as naive as thinking that you can run the world.

Only a fucking idiot would think you have to "rule the world" in order to keep a handful of rogue nations from acquiring nuclear weapons.

Thunderbird  posted on  2011-08-12   13:36:08 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#53. To: Thunderbird (#35)

Only a fucking idiot would think you have to "rule the world" in order to keep a handful of rogue nations from acquiring nuclear weapons.

You believe we as a nation should decide which other nations get the weapons they want to defend themselves?

And who decides which nations are 'rogue'? The UN? The US?

We The People  posted on  2011-08-12   16:16:33 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#61. To: We The People (#53)

You believe we as a nation should decide which other nations get the weapons they want to defend themselves?

And who decides which nations are 'rogue'? The UN? The US?

I know..its all so complicated. Not like reading a menu at all. Keep trying...

Thunderbird  posted on  2011-08-12   19:04:32 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#69. To: Thunderbird (#61)

You believe we as a nation should decide which other nations get the weapons they want to defend themselves?

And who decides which nations are 'rogue'? The UN? The US?

I know..its all so complicated.

It's really pretty simple.

You can either answer my honest questions like an adult, and help me to understand the reasoning for what seems to be an interventionist position on your part, or..

you can get all defensive, act like a teenage drama queen and keep throwing out meaningless prepubescent insults.

You believe we as a nation should decide which other nations get the weapons they want to defend themselves? Or do we allow the UN to decide who gets them?

We The People  posted on  2011-08-12   21:56:46 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#70. To: We The People (#69)

Your assumption that you can just show up and start an interrogation without offering an opinion of your own is grossly mistaken.

Either add some substance of your own to the debate or fuck off...I can't say it any plainer.

Thunderbird  posted on  2011-08-12   22:58:03 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#71. To: Thunderbird (#70) (Edited)

Thank you for confirming my suspicions that you'd opt for the second scenario.

As you wish I'll add some substance now...

I think you hold a leftist, interventionist stance on foreign policy, due to your statements/justifications above. But I could be wrong. Am I wrong? Since I don't know what your political views are, I can either assume or ask questions. That's why I asked.

I firmly believe we should mind our own business, unless there is absolute evidence that we are about to be attacked in some way.

fuck off.

LOL!

No, I will not fuck off. It's not in my nature to fuck off. Anyone who knows me knows that I absolutely will not fuck off. Of course, if you're afraid, unwilling or unable to discuss your views on foreign policy, you could always use the filter.

I find it immensely interesting that you view honest questions concerning your views as some sort of interrogation. Are you always this defensive, high strung and emotional when asked what your views are?

We The People  posted on  2011-08-12   23:12:52 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#76. To: We The People (#71)

I find it immensely interesting that you view honest questions concerning your views as some sort of interrogation.

You consider wrapping an undeclared premise inside an assumptive question as being 'honest'?

Kiss my pucker.

Thunderbird  posted on  2011-08-13   14:05:50 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#84. To: Thunderbird (#76)

Kiss my pucker.

Awwwww, poor thing.

I've obviously hurt your feelings.

You have my apologies.

We The People  posted on  2011-08-13 17:22:24 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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