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Title: Welcome Nolu Chan
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Published: Aug 11, 2011
Author: A K A Stone
Post Date: 2011-08-11 17:46:58 by A K A Stone
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Welcome Nolu Chan.
Hey be nice everybody.
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You'll [still] have to refresh my memory on that reference.
I accept your excuse that you have become senile.
#149. To: harrowup (#102)
Relevance?
No, you can't have any back.
#150. To: buckeroo (#147)
we get a letter grade of "F-"
Well what does eLPee get? Can you grade that on a curve, so that there's room for them?
"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul
Obama's watch stopped on 24 May 2008, but he's been too busy smoking crack to notice.
#151. To: harrowup (#105)
Now there you go again burning up space with c/p ancient history that simply demonstrates how frustrated all you maroons are because you aren't nearly as smart as you say you are. I offered to show you how it is done; but you weren't cleared given your notorious reputation for lying stupidity.Your diatribes would be more meaningful if you ever remembered to quote the correct reference before your meaningless data dumps.
You STILL have not been able to assert a single thing that you could document. At least you are consistently worthless. You fantasized about having reduced me to mincemeat. So far you have not produced a single thing to back up your B.S.
YOU brought up the glorious CP stuff, not me. Your short term memory loss is alarming.
http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=23007&Disp=27#C27
His clone pussy days only proved he was as crazy as his fellow shit bugs and maggots.harrowup posted on 2011-08-11 22:15:41 ET
http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=23007&Disp=47#C47
His 'expose' was as false as the all the other crap the clone pussies 'created'.harrowup posted on 2011-08-12 7:46:46 ET
#152. To: hondo68 (#150)
Well what does eLPee get? Can you grade that on a curve, so that there's room for them?
I don't visit that liberal AIPAC site anymore. I am through visiting LP unless someone suggests an interesting perspective; I haven't been there in several months to even view the remaining ideas displayed which were all neo-nazism specific ideas advancing a police state in America.
It is a dead website to me. It is more dead than American government.
#153. To: harrowup, Gatlin (#106)
Impossible to answer all of your absurd theories.Just one of your false statements involves hacking. I might have quoted others as claiming hacking but I never said it was a hack at LP or LF. LP p/w was never my concentration. I was only interested in LF and that didn't involve guessing or hacking. It was simple identity theft.
Better get your memory checked.
http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=19591&Disp=824#C824
[...]Yukon's pw was stolen at LP; hacked was a term that never should have been used. Where it began, is immaterial. There was a theft and then libel and slander undertaken by at least three posters who have/had posting privileges at both LP and LF.
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harrowup posted on 2011-04-19 7:16:50 ET
http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=19591&Disp=374#C374
[...]I am prepred to consider a wager that I can hack your account here on LF, steal your password and post an admission/confession that you are a homosexual.
[...]
Gatlin posted on 2011-04-16 20:13:17 ET
#556. To: Goldi-Lox, Gatlin, WhiteSands, All (#552)
That is NOT the Goldi-Lox from LP ...Someone, or some group of posters have stolen passwords and are impersonating other posters.
They are the scum of the earth and should be exposed by the site owners or moderators. These thieves are going to ruin every forum that allows it.
I'm Back posted on 2011-03-29 16:57:22 ET
To clarify the course of excuses, yukon (the real yukon, or his hacker, or whomever) FIRST floated the excuse that he simply had too many browsers open and posted the wrong link.
We The People mockingly suggested the hacking of the computer theory 16½ hours later. The next day TooConservative mockingly floated the password guess excuse. Shortly after, GeorgiaConservative offered, yukon: "my computer was hacked by a 'CT' truther and here is Goldi to confirm it!" On 3/30, I'm Back (yukon) revised to, There has been a malicious attack on the site....
In a PM to Stone, Gatlin wrote: Stone, yukon said the best he remembers is that the exchange where I guessed his password on the first try was in a PM on LF.
On 4/1, yukon claimed he did not use the same password on both sites. On 4/10, Gatlin claimed that yukon did use the same password on both sites, and that such was his (Gatlin's) explanation since day two. On 4/17, Gatlin offered, Yukon's old password at LP was guessed within minutes. More Gatlin on 4/17, If someone guesses a password and enters a computer, that is legally hacking. On 4/18, Gatlin claimed to have guessed the password at LF on the first try. On 4/19, Harrowup offered an article claiming, Yukon's Password Was Stolen.... On 4/22, Gatlin claimed that Goldi guessed the password on LP in a couple of minutes.
By 4/24, Gatlin was reduced to the following desperate grope, The gay link was never posted to show that yukon was a homo ... the gay link was posted to draw out and expose posters like you.
#154. To: harrowup (#109)
I still have absolutely no idea what the hell you are mewling about and how I am linked to not smacking you down at CU or TOAK.
You have never been involved in smacking me down anywhere but in your imagination. That may be the reason why you can't produce a link to that imaginary B.S.
#155. To: harrowup, buckeroo (#114)
#3 is only famous for enormous shit data dumps appropriate for a clone pussy maggot and shit bug.
The admiral is only known for being one of the pieces of dung who emit all nature of B.S. but cannot back any of it up. Just as on this thread. The yukon fiasco blew up in their faces and the world has seen them as windbags.
#156. To: Gatlin, Harrowup (#116)
With his overuse of technobabble/technospek in the form of specialized technical terms, or technical slang that served no purpose to anyone
Most seem able to grasp that the value 291 will not fit in 8 bits of memory. Except for you two babbling morons.
#157. To: harrowup (#109)
What kind of freak keeps so many lies implicating himself in nothing more than self-flagelation?
I keep your crap so I can throw your contradictory crap right back at you. When confronting an online B.S. artist engaged in self-flagellation it is a useful tool, unlike you. The best part is I can find them so quick.
#158. To: harrowup, Gatlin, buckeroo, A K A Stone (#121)
I'm done here.
Stick a fork in him. (Only if you believe him.)
#159. To: nolu chan, harrowup (#155)
The Admiral couldn't touch a post of yours to save his life even if he had to. Thanks for your work, nc. I know it isn't easy to put the data AND presentation into a post.
For some reason the Admiral can't wake up on the Internet anymore. Is he really 80+ years old?
#160. To: Gatlin (#124)
ince you HAVE NEVER BEEN ABLE TO DO IT .. then why do you think anyone can?
Because anyone can. How much can it take to outsmart this?
#907. To: ALL, yukon, Gatlin, 22Rifle, Internet sleuths (#906)I'm posting the IP of the person who hacked Yukon's posting file.
95.154.230.253 password hacker (hacked yukon)
95.154.230.291
Maybe someone can find him/her. Isn't there some legal precident for filing a lawsuit for doing that? Remember someone hacked Palin's email...and I think the guy went to jail, or something bad happened to him.
Anyone Know?
Goldi-Lox posted on 2011-04-04 17:54:56 ET
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#914. To: Goldi-Lox (#909)
95.154.230.291A total dead end on the second ... I did a copy and paste, do I have the correct numbers?
Gatlin posted on 2011-04-04 18:05:09 ET
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#916. To: Goldi-Lox (#914)
95.154.230.291 is an invalid IP addressGot that back on the second try.
Gatlin posted on 2011-04-04 18:08:45 ET
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#161. To: harrowup (#125)
He makes associations that just aren't there. Maybe he is actually a borg.
Just think. You are being bitch slapped by a borg.
#162. To: Gatlin (#130)
No one reads those dime novel length posts of his ...
Everybody read that 291 is impossible in a dot decimal IPA. That should save your pathetic faux hacker ass some time the next time.
#163. To: We The People (#131)
You should probably read them too. They make you look awfully stupid.
He read them all. He made some really lame responses.
#164. To: harrowup (#135)
I'm not really interested in continuing all this nonsense and haven't been since day 3.
Wow, I am impressed by the months of self-sacrifice defending yukon.
#165. To: harrowup, Gatlin (#138)
No, they make #3 look like dung beetle lite with delusions of relevance.
No, they make you the target of laughter whenever you spew your B.S. Your credibility is long gone.
#166. To: harrowup (#140)
Honest. I'm weary of this shit.
Really, it is just mucking the shit you deposited a few months ago. Everybody is tired of your shit.
#167. To: We The People, buckeroo (#144)
I'm afraid I'll have to reserve the right to smack that idiot on any given day.
He's like a "hit me" doll. Might as well get some fun out of the useless troll.
#168. To: nolu chan (#163)
You should probably read them too. They make you look awfully stupid.He read them all.
Yes, I'm sure he did.
I just wanted him to know that his lie also made him look stupid.
#169. To: buckeroo (#147)
With a bit of luck, we can cool this stuff as it is stale at this time; we are now approaching 5 months of the CT.
Well, just let me know when to stop playing with the internet toys.
#170. To: We The People (#168)
I just wanted him to know that his lie also made him look stupid.
Yeah, I liked that point too. The yukons just constantly spew contradictory statements and figure nobody will remember them, or if they do, will not be bothered or able to retrieve them quick enough to matter.
#171. To: buckeroo (#67)
His negligence is all about having the need to milk his goats.
And I thought he just liked queso de cabrito.
#172. To: nolu chan, Gatlin (#169)
Well, just let me know when to stop playing with the internet toys.
I can't perform that function. You have full capability & capacity to perform on your own free will. The issues are dead, though. To use an old colloquialism: don't kick a dead horse, as it serves no purpose. Most anyone knows the actual issue and it can't be covered up even by a channel manager and her gang of thugs.
This stuff is just old, is all. And I want to address all new issues confronting us and not some dead website with a few silly posters on LP.
I got Gatlin to move the CT into the past, this evening. This is a significant event for all of us. He may have improved his skills of using brain this evening.
#173. To: hondo68, buckeroo (#150)
We need at least a marginally viable third (or is that second) party that does not choose a GOPer for name recognition. That practically dismantled the Reform Party and the Libertarian Party.
#174. To: nolu chan (#164)
harrowup: I'm not really interested in continuing all this nonsense and haven't been since day 3.Nolu chan: Wow, I am impressed by the months of self-sacrifice defending yukon.
The Admiral isn't going to give up. He is a card carrying AIPAC member.
#175. To: nolu chan, harrowup (#148)
"You'll [still] have to refresh my memory on that reference.""I accept your excuse that you have become senile."
OUCH....aha...
#176. To: Murron, nolu chan, harrowup (#175)
OUCH....aha...
Now, we all want the Admiral's brilliant thesis in his own words for a rebuttal; we can't have him leave in complete shame can we? Don't we love and cherish every post by harrowup?
Why, I hear by him he just makes everything up as he goes along in life: admiral, lawyer, goat herder .... so many areas of stuff.
#177. To: buckeroo (#176)
"we can't have him leave in complete shame can we? Don't we love and cherish every post by harrowup?"
I don't care how he leaves, it's the leaving part I like. And I'll remember how much I love and cherish him the next time I flush....&;-)
#178. To: nolu chan (#170)
I just wanted him to know that his lie also made him look stupid. Yeah, I liked that point too. The yukons just constantly spew contradictory statements and figure nobody will remember them, or if they do, will not be bothered or able to retrieve them quick enough to matter.
A boat load of 'statements' taken out of context and purported to demonstrate some non-existing collusion is not answerable.
Now, just for a moment, take off your OCD-dung beetle hat and answer the following simple question:
I know what TOAK was because I posted there, but what is or was CU?
If you can simply answer that, we'll move on to next obvious question.
#179. To: Murron, buckeroo, nolu chan (#177)
"...we can't have him leave in complete shame can we? Don't we love and cherish every post by harrowup?"I don't care how he leaves, it's the leaving part I like. And I'll remember how much I love and cherish him the next time I flush....&;-)
Bucky...Who's leaving? I said I'm done with this shit.
Murron...I don't think I ever heard of you before this brouhaha began and I think Mel came into a discussion and then you made a funny reference to "SILENCE. I KEEL YOU".
I did note that you had some history with Gatlin but have no idea what it was about.
I believe our first disagreement came about when you were advised by me that I was spoofing and you were being played which angered you. That was one of the goals of the spoof but the target was Bucky and it unnerved him to distraction and irrelevance after that.
I can understand why you would get annoyed, but if we have had any other previous dialogues in which you believe I insulted you, you'll have to tell me because I have no recollection of any meaningful dialogue with you prior to these events.
Just as I have no idea what relevance 'Mercuria' has to me. I don't think I've ever had a conversation with her and only know her by reference.
For better understanding of the real problem here it may help you to understand that when #3 makes a false assumption (collusion) and then charges me with making contradictory statements it makes it impossible to proceed to a solution. When I haven't made a statement the fact that someone else, whether Gatlin, yukon or whoever did, and I differ in my view, fails on its merits to warrant further discussion.
For example there was a post by bucky up-thread that showed a purported private message from Gatlin to A K A Stone that I simply do not recall ever seeing and having seen it now can't perceive its relevance to me.
#180. To: harrowup, nolu chan, buckeroo (#71)
I'm really surprised a hot shot analyst for The NSA doesn't know the code.
there's not much that doesn't surprise the walter middy of the internet.
now go and out and pick up the goat shit in your front yard, like all the other retired admirals and successful lawyers do on saturday mornings
#181. To: Murron (#177)
I don't care how he leaves, it's the leaving part I like.
ROTFL
#182. To: calcon (#180) (Edited)
there's not much that doesn't surprise the walter middy of the internet.
Assuming for the moment you mean Thurber's Walter Mitty then you obviously qualify in that you have created a fantasy about yourself and of those of whom you are apparently envious; I can't speak for Gatlin, but I don't recall him ever bragging about his military service, and I certainly know I haven't. Joking about it? Of course. That's what I do.
I can't remember whether I read the book or saw the movie first, but probably the book, but that would have been during the war and way too long ago to have left any more of an impression outside of the stereotype so I won't hazard a guess as to any other peculiarities you would share with poor Walter.
I do remember liking the cartoons that went with Thurber more than reading Thurber.
Carry on; you have pings to work on elsewhere.
#183. To: harrowup, calcon (#182)
Assuming for the moment you mean Thurber's Walter Mitty then you obviously qualify in that you have created a fantasy about yourself and of those of whom you are apparently envious; I can't speak for Gatlin, but I don't recall him ever bragging about his military service, and I certainly know I haven't. Joking about it? Of course. That's what I do.I can't remember whether I read the book or saw the movie first, but probably the book, but that would have been during the war and way too long ago to have left any more of an impression outside of the stereotype so I won't hazard a guess as to any other peculiarities you would share with poor Walter.
I know whether you read the book or saw the movie first. Probably it was not the book. It is a short story. A short short story.
Here you can see it in Life magazine.
Carry on admiral, you have work to do on that memory.
#184. To: harrowup, Murron, buckeroo (#179)
For better understanding of the real problem here it may help you to understand that when #3 makes a false assumption (collusion) and then charges me with making contradictory statements it makes it impossible to proceed to a solution. When I haven't made a statement the fact that someone else, whether Gatlin, yukon or whoever did, and I differ in my view, fails on its merits to warrant further discussion.
#179. To: Murron, buckeroo, nolu chan (#177)
harrowup posted on 2011-08-13 8:06:43 ET
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For better understanding of the real problem here it may help you to understand that when #3 makes a false assumption (collusion) [nc - sic] and then charges me with making contradictory statements it makes it impossible to proceed to a solution. When I haven't made a statement the fact that someone else, whether Gatlin, yukon or whoever did, and I differ in my view, fails on its merits to warrant further discussion.
As Admiral Harrowup wants his lying nonsense taken to a conclusion, I will do so.
I and the Admiral have no history of any interaction at Freedom4um, Free Republic, Freedom Underground, or The People's Forum. Zero, with the indirect exception of my TPF analyses of the nonsense posted on Liberty's Flame during the yukon incident.
That leaves Liberty Post where we did have a few exchanges. Admiral Harrowup made eight (8) posts addressed to me on three (3) threads. I made nine (9) posts addressed to harrowup on two threads.
Harrowup and Nolu Chan Exchange Search on Liberty Post
The lying sack of crap, Admiral harrowup, posted upstream:
#15. To: Skip Intro (#13)Charlie Chan's #3 Idiot son, no luck chuck tried once and lost badly. Unlikely he'll take your challenge.
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His clone pussy days only proved he was as crazy as his fellow shit bugs and maggots.
And he only posts where he can't be hindered by facts. I made mincemeat of him once before so bring it on.
Clearly, Admiral harrowup alleges:
- "he only posts where he can't be hindered by facts."
- "Charlie Chan's #3 Idiot son, no luck chuck tried once and lost badly."
- "I made mincemeat of him once before so bring it on."
Consider it brought.
At 63, the Admiral alleged:
- "You're a joke; getting booted by the clone pussies for libel was the funniest yet for that bunch of maggots."
If I only post were I can't be hindered by facts, the Admiral must consider LP such a site as I have a rather lengthy posting history there, spanning about five (5) years.
I have repeatedly asked the lying sack of crap to present the evidence of where he made mincemeat of me, or where I lost badly to his sorry butt. I never happened. He can lie, and I can produce the whole posting history. It is all of seventeen (17) posts on LP, both sides of the exchange included. With the evidence smeared in his face, the Admiral can try to show where he made mincemeat of anyone. Before he wins any argument with anyone, he will have to make some point about something and back it up. While beating a dead horse, or a dead faux admiral, may be unseemly, this particular dead horse is full of gas. The gas escapes from his mouth, smells bad, and makes noise.
I was not booted from CP. I stopped posting on the Snitz site shortly before it had its plug pulled; immediately after I advised, by posting on the site, that they were hosting libel per se on the site about Dr. Brian Kopp. As usual, the Admiral has his non-facts backwards. I never registered with the replacement vBulletin site. It was quite impossible for me to have been booted.
It is time to start looking at the exchanges where the faux admiral says he made mincemeat of me.
Some introductory comment on military tribunals, which are separate and distinct from a military court-martial as any real admiral should know.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_tribunals_in_the_United_States
A military tribunal is a kind of military court designed to try members of enemy forces during wartime, operating outside the scope of conventional criminal and civil proceedings. The judges are military officers and fulfill the role of jurors. Military tribunals are distinct from courts-martial.A military tribunal is an inquisitorial system based on charges brought by military authorities, prosecuted by a military authority, judged by military officers, and sentenced by military officers against a member of an adversarial force.
[snip]
Although such tribunals do not satisfy most protections and guarantees provided by the United States Bill of Rights, that has not stopped Presidents from using them, nor the U.S. Congress from authorizing them, as in the Military Commissions Act of 2006.
So, an inquisitorial system, outside the scope of conventional criminal and civil proceedings, designed to try members of enemy forces during wartime, which does not satisfy most protections and guarantees provided by the United States Bill of Rights, "is far more fair than civilian venues where the highest bidder prevails." So says Admiral harrowup.
http://jurist.law.pitt.edu/forumy/2005/10/guantanamo-process-as-public-danger.php
Guantanamo Process as a Public DangerJURIST Guest Columnist Brian J. Foley of Florida Coastal School of Law says that the less-than-rigorous procedural rules governing the tribunals and military commissions at Guantanamo Bay endanger us as surely as any terrorists...
The prevailing belief that the procedures at Guantanamo Bay (GTMO) protect us because they make it easy to keep “enemy combatants” locked away is misguided. When legal process is not rigorous and convictions are easy to win, the danger is not only to the accused. Public safety is compromised: under the existing rules, cursory investigations are sufficient for convictions. This is far too likely to lead to false convictions that will lull us into the sense that we’re reducing the threat of terrorism when we’re not.
It’s beyond argument that the rules the tribunals at GTMO use are weak and that, as an epistemological matter, we can’t trust their determinations. The “Combatant Status Review Tribunals (CSRT),” which decide whether a prisoner is an “enemy combatant,” use a low standard of proof -- a preponderance of the evidence, with a “rebuttable presumption” in favor of the government’s evidence. The government can use notoriously unreliable evidence: hearsay, evidence coerced out of prisoners, and “classified” evidence kept secret from the prisoner. Access to lawyers is forbidden, and only one of the military “judges” is required to have a law degree.
The “military commissions” that President Bush announced two months after 9/11 to try enemy combatants suspected of particular crimes are equally unreliable. Although there is a presumption of innocence and the burden of proof is beyond a reasonable doubt and the prisoner can have a lawyer (with restrictions), only one of the “judges” has to be a lawyer, and convictions can be based on hearsay, coerced testimony, and secret evidence.
One purpose of having rigorous rules of evidence, high burdens of proof, and trained counsel to help an accused mount a defense is to improve public safety. Rigorous rules put the government to its proofs when it carries out its crime-fighting and national security duties. Rigorous rules protect us all by helping ensure that the government is truly ferreting out crime and not just putting on a show.
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Admiral harrowup asserts such a procedure "is far more fair than civilian venues where the highest bidder prevails."
Admiral, is this the one thread, of three, where you claim to have reduced me to mincement?
Would you prefer to move on to the next one in chronological order?
An exchange between nolu chan and fitz [41, 42, 47, 48, 51] and the thread article are included for context. The admiral seems very sensitive about context. The admiral replied to #51.
http://www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=92079&Disp=All
Title: Army Reservist Charged in Border Detention ^
Source: FR
URL Source: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f ... om/1382800/posts?q=1&&page=501
Published: Apr 14, 2005
Author: frobls and decent people
Post Date: 2005-04-14 01:31:26 by fitz
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Some real nastiness --- interesting the very worst types are allowed to threaten, insult, smear and whatever --- no time outs, no "knock-it-off".
To: Travis McGee Don't let the traitors wear you down. Big mistake, buster. You will cease calling us traitors or else.
Maybe tomorrow we'll take a little stroll down your peculiar posting history.
When a fellow, even a fellow conspirator is caught with his pants down, it is best not to draw more attention to it. Let it pass is my advice.
Take it or leave it.
529 posted on 04/13/2005 9:47:31 PM MDT by harrowup (Just naturally perfect and humble of course) [ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 526 | View Replies | Report Abuse ]
To: harrowup; Travis McGee
Big mistake, buster. You will cease calling us traitors or else. Travis is a SEAL. I highly doubt that internet posters intimidate him.
532 posted on 04/13/2005 9:51:57 PM MDT by jmc813 (PLAYBOY ISN'T PORN;YES,PLAYBOY ID PORN ... ONLY PHOTOGRAPHED PORN IS PORN) [ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 529 | View Replies | Report Abuse ]
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http://www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=92079&Disp=41#C41
#41. To: fitz (#0)FR This thread has been pulled 4/15/2005 11:10:16 PM PDT
By Jim Robinson
Reason: Pulled.
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http://www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=92079&Disp=42#C42
I guess he didn't like the poor treatment of harrowup and CJ/CBG from the others --- asking them to back up what they were claiming.
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http://www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=92079&Disp=47#C47
#47. To: fitz (#42)Large-font calls for harrowup's military history were being made by several posters shortly before the thread was pulled. I did not see what happened in the final hour or so of the thread. When I went back it was gone.
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http://www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=92079&Disp=48#C48
I guess because she claims to have served in some war or to be a veteran of some kind but is always smearing those who have a military background. So I think they're calling her bluff --- prove it or quit trying to use veteran status as an excuse to smear real veterans.
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http://www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=92079&Disp=51#C51
#51. To: fitz (#48)
I guess because she claims to have served in some war or to be a veteran of some kind but is always smearing those who have a military background. So I think they're calling her bluff --- prove it or quit trying to use veteran status as an excuse to smear real veterans.Through what I observed, ending with approximately #741, the challenge of Travis McGee to provide a military background was joined by a couple of other posters and became a chorus, along with a chorus of crickets. I saw no substantive response, only an oft-reiterated claim to Travis McGee that "you forget that I am asking the questions." (As best I can recall the precise words.) Apparently a real Navy Seal is not particularly intimidated by an ankle-biting liberal attack dog, but merely growls until the little chihuahua says "Yo quiero Taco Bell."
The bluff was most definitely being called, by a chorus, and the only answer I observed was the pulling of the thread. (Note: I did not observe the last hour or so of the thread.)
For harrowup, I only find vague statements about military service, but must allow for the fact that threads are pulled and posts may have been made that are no longer available. Because I was almost exclusively on the civil war threads, I did not meet harrowup on FR, unless it was under an alternate handle.
I did find the following:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/593030/posts?page=254#254
I am a liberal and not a conservative.
12/19/2001http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1110046/posts?page=488#488
I suspect tpaine is a black-powder kind of guy and the last time I actually used black powder was many moons ago at a pool party not far from the Philadelphia Navy Yard where I was assigned. In any case I couldn't hear for about a week which turned out to be a lucky co-ink-ee-dink since I failed to hear my CO tell me what a fine job I was doing which would have swelled my head and made me obnoxious, rude and overbearing much like Republicans.
5/7/2004http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/579961/posts?page=125#125
I dare say a military tribunal is far more fair than civilian venues where the highest bidder prevails.
11/28/2001I find a liberal, asserting an assignment to the Philadelphia Navy Yard, who imagines that a military tribunal is far more fair than civilian venues. This last claim indicates a detachment from reality or some really profound unfamiliarity with the nature of a military tribunal. A military tribunal has no set rules of evidence or anything else until the authority creating the tribunal decides what they are and promulgates such rules for the specific tribunal in question.
This should not be confused with a military court-martial which applies to military active duty personnel and operates under existing military law. Even so, the conviction rate at military courts-martial has historically exceeded 95% and the rules do not contain the same protections as in a civilian procedure. While an enlisted person may have one-thirds enlisted on the panel (jury), a unanimous verdict is not required -- it takes only two-thirds to convict. The automatic right to counsel does not attach to all courts-martial.
A military tribunal or court-martial is a creature of the Executive Department, not the Judicial Department.
For Travis McGee, using his real name I found DoD Official Public Records indicate him to be a reserve Naval officer, O-3 as claimed.
http://www.military.com/Locator/DodDetail/1,13996,3630607,00.html
Name : MATTHEW JAMES BRACKEN
Service : NAVY
Service Component : RESERVE
Pay Grade : 0-3
Military Specialty : 9294113
Home of Record : Unknownhttp://www.rand.org/publications/MR/MR1304/MR1304.appg.pdf
9294 appears to indicate SEAL delivery vehicle officer
http://buperscd.technology.navy.mil/bup_updt/508/milpers/1210-220.htm
113x appears to indicate Navy Special Warfare Officer.
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I dare say a military tribunal is far more fair than civilian venues where the highest bidder prevailsDo you ever follow context?
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#57. To: harrowup (#54)I dare say a military tribunal is far more fair than civilian venues where the highest bidder prevailsDo you ever follow context?
Yes. In context, a military tribunal (or court-martial) is not designed to be fair. It is part of the Executive system, not the Judicial system. The convening authority chooses to have the charges tried, then makes the rules. A jury is provided by the convening authority. The convening authority may provide a military Jag Corps judge. The convening authority may even provide a military Jag Corps defense counsel. Upon conviction one may appeal... to the convening authority.
http://www.militaryinjustice.org/Documents/UCMJStats.PDF
From 1997-2000, including all forms of courts-martial, the U.S. Navy achieved a 96.7% conviction rate.
The reason for the existence of the military courts or tribunals is the furtherance of good order and discipline, not the promotion of fairness or justice.
"In Middendorf v. Henry, 425 U.S. 25 (1976), the Supreme Court held that presence of counsel was not required at a summary court-martial, which the Court characterized as a 'disciplinary' proceeding." See "Military Criminal Justice, Practice and Procedure," Fifth Edition, David A. Schlueter, Lexis Law Publishing, Charlottesville, VA, copr 1999, Matthew Bender & Company, Inc., page 39, footnote 13.
In context, we may find a proceeding determined by the Supreme Court to be a disciplinary proceeding, rather than a judicial proceeding, with no requirement for presence of qualified legal counsel. And that is for a court- martial under well-established military law. In a military tribunal, first someone decides to prosecute and then they make up the procedures to be used.
In context, anyone who claims that a military tribunal is more fair than a civilian judicial proceeding causes me to question whether that person was ever in the military.
In the military system there is only ONE bidder and this monopoly provides a conviction rate unheard of in any U.S. civilian court system.
nolu chan, USN, (Ret).
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#58. To: nolu chan (#57)
You still don't know what context is. Only an anti-government freak would automatically associate evil intent with a government inquiry.
You can squeal all you like about your opinion but since I trust the government and this particular President what you have to say is nothing but sour grapes based on a warped sense of superiority.
Now, if you want to go back and read the comment in context then you can try again but so far you've wasted more time than I have for you.
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#64. To: harrowup (#58)Only an anti-government freak would automatically associate evil intent with a government inquiry.
Only a liberal airhead would describe a military tribunal as a government inquiry. Government inquiries cannot award the death penalty.
As for "civilian venues where the highest bidder prevails," Poor Martha Stewart. I wonder why she did not just place the highest bid. And who outbid her? It must have been the government. In -all- criminal proceedings, one of the parties is the government.
You still do not know what a military tribunal is, or you would not try to defend your brain-dead assertion that "a military tribunal is far more fair than civilian venues...."
Oh wait. You did not try to defend that inane comment. You have been merely diverting attention from it. Sort of like when Travis McGee and others on FR asked you about your purported military history. I guess I shouldn't take up any more of your time so you can get back to work on that one.
#185. To: harrowup (#182)
not worthy of a response.
#186. To: nolu chan (#184)
Well now, #3, I have some good news and some bad news for you.
First the good news.
I have absolutely no idea who you are or what you do, except you continue in mojo's long and hysterical demonstration of a manic- depressive personality disorder.
I briefly read something at Robin's kookery site before she banned me after just an innocuous exchange with Fred or Ferret.
That one series of OCD c/p's clearly indicated your lack of grounding so any further reading of your huffing and puffing bluster and bombast is never illuminating; you know, Snerdley lite and Rush heavy on the syntaxual malapropisms. Quite different from Coulter's convoluted indecipherable analogies, another of your heroes of the lunatic right once championed by Buchanan and his bigoted ilk.
I know you are finding this difficult to understand, but that is the sum total of the good news for you, to wit, you are only a legend in your own mind.
Now, for the bad news.
Just like your pal Stevie you have been sent chasing your tail all over the internet for years to find some flaw in some imaginary slight and have, like the hamster shit bug before you, failed to reconnect with reality.
Making mincemeat out of posters like you and the shit bug is so easy it is very nearly criminal to take any measure of pleasure in watching you going round in circles, never, ever getting what you want.
Shit-bug is never going to get even with JR, let alone me, and you will never get even with whomever your nemesis may be.
Please don't say I haven't given you enough clues to your eventual shame. I broadcast spoof warnings but like most of the posters on this and other 'political' discussion forums you can't believe anyone is capable of turning you into a pathetic resemblance of a blithering idiot.
Finally.
Making mincemeat is an art best left to an expert and you just aren't wired for prime time.
Your last meaningless data dumps illustrates how deeply disturb you are and you'll find eventually that context is more valuable than gotchas...except my gotcha.
Of course deception and misdirection are lies, you asshole; so is the suggestion that Thurber associated cartoons were better than the stories...in The New Yorker...'articles' led you on another hunt which was not only demonstrably unnecessary but predictive, planned and executed.
In sum, you are certifiably bat shit crazy, and remember to tell the shit bug and the Brazilian virgin that you've triumphed and are still on top as the biggest bestest hamster in the cage.
I'm pretty certain you will continue to bluster, but like your new best friends you'll just keep on proving my point.
Carry on.
It is to laugh, guffaw, guffaw.
#187. To: harrowup, nolu chan (#186)
typical response by the admiral, gets his ass kicked then claims victory.
#188. To: harrowup, nolu chan (#186)
#58. To: nolu chan (#57)
You still don't know what context is. Only an anti-government freak would automatically associate evil intent with a government inquiry.You can squeal all you like about your opinion but since I trust the government and this particular President what you have to say is nothing but sour grapes based on a warped sense of superiority.
Now, if you want to go back and read the comment in context then you can try again but so far you've wasted more time than I have for you.
harrowup posted on 2005-04-17 15:56:55 ET
You really said that? You changed the [paraphrasing] from: fair and even handedness of any government controlling a military tribunal to: a mere inquiry?
With six years behind us, what do you think of and about your trust of government and GWBush, now?
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