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Title: Mandated Mischief: Obama’s 54.5 MPG Standard
Source: PJM
URL Source: http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/mandat ... -mpg-standard/?singlepage=true
Published: Aug 1, 2011
Author: Marlo Lewis
Post Date: 2011-08-01 07:32:14 by CZ82
Keywords: None
Views: 10856
Comments: 25

Mandated Mischief: Obama’s 54.5 MPG Standard

More deaths, less choice, pricier cars. And of course, no upside.

July 29, 2011, Marlo Lewis

President Obama today announced a deal with 13 automakers to boost new-car fuel economy standards from 35.5 mpg in 2016 to 54.5 mpg in 2025. Obama claimed the new standards will save Americans $1.7 trillion over the lifetime of vehicles and $8,000 per vehicle by 2025.

But you’ve got to wonder, if the fuel-saving technologies requisite to meet the new standards are such a great bargain, why do we need a law forcing automakers to adopt them? After all, auto companies are in business to make money, they compete for customers, and there’s not a consumer alive who enjoys pain at the pump.

What we can likely expect from the new fuel economy standards is more costly vehicles that impose net losses on consumers, lighter vehicles that provide less protection in collisions, and a less competitive auto industry.

The U.S. government’s 40-year-old corporate average fuel economy (CAFE) program is a case study in unintended consequences. During its first 25 years, CAFE boosted domestic sales of Japanese and European imports, which typically had a 50% higher mpg rating than American automobiles in 1975. Partly as a consequence of CAFE, the U.S. market share of foreign-designed vehicles increased from 18% in 1975 to 29% in 1980 and 41% in 2000 (National Research Council, p.15). Few members of Congress anticipated or desired such disastrous results when they created the CAFE program in 1975.

There are two main ways to increase a car’s fuel economy: (1) downsize the vehicle and (2) add new technology. Adding new technology raises new car prices, “forcing some consumers, especially those with low incomes, to hold on longer to their old cars,” observes my colleague Sam Kazman. In general, old cars are more polluting than comparable newer vehicles. In any event, lawmakers did not think they were voting to keep clunkers on the road when they created CAFE.

In addition, Kazman notes, CAFE “restricts consumer choice, since manufacturers are forced to pay more attention to what the law requires rather than to what consumers want.” Indeed, CAFE destroyed the market for what once was America’s most popular family car — the large station wagon. Automakers could not comply with CAFE and produce millions of large, low-mpg station wagons. In 1975, how many members of Congress knowingly voted to kill the family car?

A related unintended consequence was the much-derided SUV boom of the 1990s. No longer able to purchase big wagons, consumers started buying trucks with car-like body designs. Fuel economy zealots decried what they called the “SUV loophole” in the CAFE rules. But to millions of consumers, the supposed loophole was an escape hatch. The caption of a New Yorker cartoon on bureaucratic myopia should be required reading on Capitol Hill: “These regulations will fundamentally change how we get around them.”

Last and certainly not least, CAFE kills. This is hard for some folks to swallow, but it’s a matter of physics. Fuel economy regulation restricts the sale of larger, heavier vehicles. Such vehicles get fewer miles to the gallon than similarly equipped smaller vehicles, but they provide more protection in collisions. Heavier vehicles have more mass to absorb collision forces, and larger vehicles provide more space between the occupant and the point of impact.

A 2002 National Research Council study (p. 26) estimates that in a typical year (1993), CAFE contributed to 1,300-2,600 additional auto fatalities and ten times as many serious injuries.

We’re often assured that the reformed CAFE program established via the 2007 Energy Independence and Security Act (EISA) fixed the problem (often by the same folks who denied there was a trade-off between fuel economy and safety under the original CAFE program). However, even under the reformed program, which supposedly constrains down-sizing in favor of technological innovation, EPA and the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) estimate that achieving fuel economy standards of 47 to 62 mpg will require weight reductions of 15% to 30% (Interim Joint Technical Report, p. 3-8).

Automakers will undoubtedly incorporate new technology to meet the 54.5 mpg standard. Nonetheless, Kazman explains, “No matter what fuel-saving technologies we put into the car of the future, adding weight to the car will both lower its fuel efficiency and increase its safety.” Inevitably, fuel economy standards prevent people from buying all the vehicle safety they’re willing to pay for.

Why did automakers agree to the deal? “Government Motors” has to be careful about defying a White House that props them up financially. Auto companies also feared ending up with something even worse: a 62 mpg standard enforced via a “patchwork” of state-by-state fuel economy regimes spearheaded by the California Air Resources Board (CARB).

Auto industry analyst Henry Payne notes another reason:

“We’ll agree to anything that’s 15 years out,” a highly-placed auto industry insider told me today about the fairy tale 54.5 mpg-by-2025 mandate for America’s auto fleet that Barack Obama and Big Auto execs finally — officially — announced Friday in Washington.

The rule has no grounding in reality. An engineering rule of thumb is that gas engine efficiency improves by 1.5 percent a year (a gain that, in the cheap gas U.S. market, has traditionally gone to power upgrades rather than mpg improvements). The EPA’s rule will mandate that light trucks gain 3.5 percent a year and cars, 5 percent. Really.

Environmental groups claim there’s no problem because automakers could comply even with a 56 mpg standard just by selling lots of hybrids. But according to the Center for Automotive Research (CAR), the market share for hybrids would have to increase from less than 3% in 2011 to 76% by 2025 — almost eight times higher than the projected market share. And mass reductions of at least 15% would also be required, reducing vehicle safety in crashes.

CAR estimates that a 56 mpg standard would impose on consumers a net loss (sticker price increase minus fuel savings) of $2,858 over five years if gasoline prices average $3.50/gallon. The 62 mpg that CARB, green groups, and (very likely) Obama preferred would impose a net loss of $6,525. Without regulatory coercion limiting our options, most consumers would avoid this “bargain.”

Fuel economy standards compel automakers to please government planners rather than satisfy consumers. That’s a recipe for an auto industry with lower sales, reduced profits, and fewer jobs.

Team Obama and their green allies undoubtedly think it is great fun to gamble with other people’s assets and livelihoods, even if it means imposing safety risks on motorists. If we were living under a constitution of liberty, that sort of mischief would not be allowed.

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#1. To: CZ82 (#0)

Obama is stupid. Everyone knows that if the oil companies weren't involved, that the automakers could make a car where a gallon of gas lasts you for a year or two.

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-08-01   7:33:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: A K A Stone (#1)

Obama is stupid.

I think Chris Matthews would disagree with you about Obozo..

When asked by a Liberal what I bought my Granddaughter for her 1st birthday I replied, "MORE AMMUNITION"!!!! -----------------------------"People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf."

CZ82  posted on  2011-08-01   7:37:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: CZ82 (#0)

But you’ve got to wonder, if the fuel-saving technologies requisite to meet the new standards are such a great bargain, why do we need a law forcing automakers to adopt them? After all, auto companies are in business to make money, they compete for customers, and there’s not a consumer alive who enjoys pain at the pump.

Bush, at the behest of auto makers opposed raising CAFE standards in 2001; what happened after that?

"...all of the equations in neoclassical economics are rubbish. The differential equations describe nothing. Economics is not about mathematics, it is about the human being." Sandeep Jaitly

lucysmom  posted on  2011-08-01   11:02:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: CZ82 (#0)

Mandated Mischief: Obama’s 54.5 MPG Standard

Yeah, I soon as I heard about this, I laughed my ass off... (while driving my full-size 2000 Merc Grand Marquis, that I picked up with 50k miles on the clock for $5k.)

I laughed because idiots like ob@m@ can make such pronouncements all day and night...

Wish in one hand, crap in the other, tell me which one fills up faster...

Presidential announcements, cafe standards, all that crap, mean absolutely NOTHING... You can't defy the laws of physics, dummies... You need a certain amount of horsepower to push a vehicle through the air at (say) 60 MPH. It can be affected somewhat by aerodynamics, and cross-section of area, but the reality is that you still need a certain amount of power... Only motorcycles have any hope of meeting this "standard," because of their miniscule cross-section of area, if combined with aggressive aerodynamics.

ob@m@ TRULY is an idiot.

It used to be the leftists that had bumper-stickers that said things like "Question Authority.' Today they follow slogans from 1984:

War is peace.
Freedom is slavery.
Ignorance is strength.

They blindly LOVE Big Brother. They believe competition, pride & profiting from ones labor, are evil things to be banished.

Stephen King observed, "The beauty of religion mania is that it has the power to explain everything... [so] logic can be happily tossed out the window.

This describes socialists. They will ignore logic and "common sense." They will ignore REALITY. Because THEY are religious zealots...

THEIR God... is the STATE.

Capitalist Eric  posted on  2011-08-01   12:16:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: CZ82 (#0)

Obama’s 54.5 MPG Standard

If only the car companies had hired community organizers instead of engineers to design their vehicles we would be there now.

Happy Quanzaa  posted on  2011-08-01   12:21:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: lucysmom (#3)

Gas 99 cents a gallon in 2001. There was no consumer demand for CAFE standards.

Obama has played at being a president while enjoying the perks … golf, insanely expensive vacations at tax-payer expense. He has ignored the responsibilities of the job; no plans, no budgets, no alternatives … just finger pointing; making him a complete failure as a president

no gnu taxes  posted on  2011-08-01   13:11:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: no gnu taxes (#6)

There was no consumer demand for CAFE standards.

CAFE standards are set by government (OH NO!) not be consumer demand.

"...all of the equations in neoclassical economics are rubbish. The differential equations describe nothing. Economics is not about mathematics, it is about the human being." Sandeep Jaitly

lucysmom  posted on  2011-08-01   19:16:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: lucysmom (#7)

There was no consumer demand for CAFE standards.

CAFE standards are set by government (OH NO!) not be consumer demand.

Silly me.

I still had the mindset our government was supposed to represent the will of the population.

Obama has played at being a president while enjoying the perks … golf, insanely expensive vacations at tax-payer expense. He has ignored the responsibilities of the job; no plans, no budgets, no alternatives … just finger pointing; making him a complete failure as a president

no gnu taxes  posted on  2011-08-01   19:30:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: no gnu taxes (#8)

I still had the mindset our government was supposed to represent the will of the population.

Taint so in a republic.

"...all of the equations in neoclassical economics are rubbish. The differential equations describe nothing. Economics is not about mathematics, it is about the human being." Sandeep Jaitly

lucysmom  posted on  2011-08-01   19:58:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: CZ82 (#0)

Mandated Mischief: Obama’s 54.5 MPG Standard

This ain't The Magical Negroe's idea. He's never HAD an actual idea. Remember,this is the guy that was driving a hemi-powered Chrysler 300 in Chicago before he won the Dim primary. Then his advisers/handlers advised him to sell his hemi and buy a Ford Focus,which he did.

But you’ve got to wonder, if the fuel-saving technologies requisite to meet the new standards are such a great bargain, why do we need a law forcing automakers to adopt them?

SOMEBODY seems to be forgetting THAT would be allowing the market to make a decision about what we buy,NOT a government MANDATE that TELLS us what we MUST buy.

WHY would anybody espect a statist like him to respect or even notice a world where people/markets make their own decisions?

What we can likely expect from the new fuel economy standards is more costly vehicles that impose net losses on consumers, lighter vehicles that provide less protection in collisions, and a less competitive auto industry.

Once again,the author is writing about the mindset of a committed statist and wondering why he is ignoring competition.

He also hasn't taken the final step of looking into the planned world of Corporate Communism that is the goal of the money men that pull the strings of our political "leaders" like Acting President Soetoro,Bubba Bill Clinton,and the Bush Crime Family.

WHY would you need or even want a large competitive auto industry when the working class won't even be allowed to buy or own one.

Or even need one,since special permission will be needed for them to travel outside their company town?

As for the elites,German and Britain will still be manufacturing Mercedes and Bentley's. America will build trucks and commercial vehicles.

During its first 25 years, CAFE boosted domestic sales of Japanese and European imports, which typically had a 50% higher mpg rating than American automobiles in 1975.

WILDLY untrue! I keep seeing this nonsense written,mostly be academic types comparing the models of US cars that burn the most gas under the most demanding conditions against the foreign cars that have zero options,the smallest engines made,and operating under ideal conditions like a interstate highway with no red lights or traffic jams.

I had a full-sized 1960 Ford tudor sedan with a 292 cubic inch V-8 with standard transmission and no overdrive in 1969. I got 21 MPG out of it in normal highway driving taking absolutely no special precautions to increase my fuel mileage. I bought a VW bug during the first "gas crisis" in 1973 because I was making a daily 90 mile round trip to drive back and forth to school,and was living on the GI Bill money. I even pumped the air pressure up in my tires to 45 psi and drove 45-50 MPH to increase my fuel mileagea,and only got 26 mpg. Hell,I could have probably gotten 26 MPG with the full-sized V-8 if I had done this.

In fact,I had a friend that lent me his 66 Mustang with a 289 V-8 engine to drive to the VA hospital once,and damned if I didn't get 26 mpg driving that with no special precautions.

Partly as a consequence of CAFE, the U.S. market share of foreign-designed vehicles increased from 18% in 1975 to 29% in 1980 and 41% in 2000 (National Research Council, p.15). Few members of Congress anticipated or desired such disastrous results when they created the CAFE program in 1975.

Maybe,but I am 100% certain that the international bankers that owned or bought stock in these foreign auto companies anticipated AND desired this result. Why else would they bribe congresscritters to demand the EPA pass laws insisting on smog control and other "evironmental" devices on US cars that caused the gas mileage in some US cars to drop from 20 MPG to 7 mpg?

Remember,the EPA regs stated the high number of pollutants allowed PER GALLON OF GAS BURNED,AND PAID NO ATTENTION WHATSOEVER TO HOW MANY ADDITIONAL GALLONS OF GAS WERE BURNED DUE TO THESE REGULATIONS.

You can bet your ass the consumer paid attention when they suddenly had to buy 3 times as much gas at 2 or 3 times the price to drive the same distances.

Then the media that knew less about cars than I do nuclear reactors chimed it ranting and raving about how much better built foreign cars were,and the die was cast.

Suddenly a small foreign car that only got 20 mpg looked a LOT better than a large American car that USED to get 20 mpg but now gets less than 10 mpg.

"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)

sneakypete  posted on  2011-08-02   8:28:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: A K A Stone (#1)

. Everyone knows that if the oil companies weren't involved, that the automakers could make a car where a gallon of gas lasts you for a year or two.

Yeah,but only if you never drive them.

"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)

sneakypete  posted on  2011-08-02   8:30:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: lucysmom (#3)

Bush, at the behest of auto makers opposed raising CAFE standards in 2001; what happened after that?

The auto market boomed,people were happy,and jobs were created.

I can see where that would depress you.

"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)

sneakypete  posted on  2011-08-02   8:31:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: lucysmom (#9)

I still had the mindset our government was supposed to represent the will of the population.

Taint so in a republic.

You're on drugs,right?

Really,REALLY dangerous drugs.

You have a moral obligation to name them for the rest of us so we are warned these drugs will make you "two oohs" stoopid. You just may be the stupidest person on the internet. Are you a congresswoman from Texas?

"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)

sneakypete  posted on  2011-08-02   8:40:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: sneakypete (#12)

The auto market boomed,people were happy,and jobs were created.

You left out the part when gas prices exceeded $4.00 a gallon, people were unhappy with American gas hogs, sales declined, and Automakers were bankrupt and bailed out.

The Bush administration, acting as mouthpiece and handmaiden for American auto manufacturers, decided that the states didn't have the right to set their own CAFE standards; they said meeting those requirements was too hard (Japanese manufacturers went to work building cars that Americans wanted - as it turned out).

"...all of the equations in neoclassical economics are rubbish. The differential equations describe nothing. Economics is not about mathematics, it is about the human being." Sandeep Jaitly

lucysmom  posted on  2011-08-02   12:55:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: sneakypete (#13)

You're on drugs,right?

Really,REALLY dangerous drugs.

You have a moral obligation to name them for the rest of us so we are warned these drugs will make you "two oohs" stoopid. You just may be the stupidest person on the internet. Are you a congresswoman from Texas?

So tell me, what's the Electoral College about?

"...all of the equations in neoclassical economics are rubbish. The differential equations describe nothing. Economics is not about mathematics, it is about the human being." Sandeep Jaitly

lucysmom  posted on  2011-08-02   13:27:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: lucysmom (#14)

You left out the part when gas prices exceeded $4.00 a gallon,

This happened during the 70's? Or is it happening now under your Chocolate Messiah.

people were unhappy with American gas hogs,

You would have to borrow several dozen IQ points to qualify as a idiot. American cars now get as good as,and in some cases BETTER,fuel mileage than imports.

sales declined, and Automakers were bankrupt and bailed out.

Sales declined because several "new" manufacturers entered the US car market to compete for the same customers,while the media and the uninformed idiots like you were bleating about how "American cars are junk!" 24/7.

Chrysler had to be bailed out for making bad business decisions.

"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)

sneakypete  posted on  2011-08-02   17:01:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: lucysmom (#15)

So tell me, what's the Electoral College about?

Why? You wouldn't understand or approve if you did.

Unless of course the Electoral College were comprised of Commissars appointed by Illustrious Chocolate Leader. Then you would be all giddy with joy.

"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)

sneakypete  posted on  2011-08-02   17:06:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: sneakypete (#10)

Remember,the EPA regs stated the high number of pollutants allowed PER GALLON OF GAS BURNED,AND PAID NO ATTENTION WHATSOEVER TO HOW MANY ADDITIONAL GALLONS OF GAS WERE BURNED DUE TO THESE REGULATIONS.

Add in Ethanol and the gas mileage drops even more..... And it's still subsidized to cost us even more..... The unions are making out while the taxpayer is taking the brunt of this folly.... Typical Liberal BS....... their little butt pirate buddies are in good shape while the average person gets screwed..... and you wonder why people vote for them, I guess they like getting screwed.....

When asked by a Liberal what I bought my Granddaughter for her 1st birthday I replied, "MORE AMMUNITION"!!!! -----------------------------"People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf."

CZ82  posted on  2011-08-02   17:12:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: sneakypete (#16)

This happened during the 70's? Or is it happening now under your Chocolate Messiah.

I remember gas lines in the 70s, but not $4 a gallon gas. However, I was speaking of $4 and above gas during the BushII administration.

Sales declined because several "new" manufacturers entered the US car market to compete for the same customers,while the media and the uninformed idiots like you were bleating about how "American cars are junk!" 24/7.

American cars were junk but that was pretty much fixed by the time Boy George was in Office. When the price of gas went up, people wanted cars that got better mileage - at least here in California.

"...all of the equations in neoclassical economics are rubbish. The differential equations describe nothing. Economics is not about mathematics, it is about the human being." Sandeep Jaitly

lucysmom  posted on  2011-08-02   17:48:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: sneakypete (#17)

Why? You wouldn't understand or approve if you did.

Turned out the last guy who said that to me had no clue.

"...all of the equations in neoclassical economics are rubbish. The differential equations describe nothing. Economics is not about mathematics, it is about the human being." Sandeep Jaitly

lucysmom  posted on  2011-08-02   17:49:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: lucysmom (#19)

American cars were junk but that was pretty much fixed by the time Boy George was in Office.

Everything you know about cars could be written on the tip of a pin.

"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)

sneakypete  posted on  2011-08-02   21:20:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: lucysmom (#20)

Turned out the last guy who said that to me had no clue.

The Electoral College is proof we are a Republic instead of Democracy.

Which absolutely has to burn your Marxist ass.

"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)

sneakypete  posted on  2011-08-02   21:22:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: sneakypete (#21)

Everything you know about cars could be written on the tip of a pin.

Thank you for that useful bit of information.

"...all of the equations in neoclassical economics are rubbish. The differential equations describe nothing. Economics is not about mathematics, it is about the human being." Sandeep Jaitly

lucysmom  posted on  2011-08-03   0:11:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: sneakypete (#22) (Edited)

"...all of the equations in neoclassical economics are rubbish. The differential equations describe nothing. Economics is not about mathematics, it is about the human being." Sandeep Jaitly

lucysmom  posted on  2011-08-03   0:18:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: lucysmom (#24)

Sandeep Jaitly 5

Your Goo Rue? Or just some Happy Hindu you married so he could get a Green Card?

"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)

sneakypete  posted on  2011-08-03   5:59:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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