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Economy Title: A very secret agent There is a charade playing out in Washington at the moment in respect of the completely meaningless "debt ceiling" which the US maintains as a relic from the days of the gold standard. We are told that at the US Treasury's account at the Federal Reserve Bank there will soon be no more taxpayers' dollars, and therefore the Fed will soon be unable to make any more payments or issue any more cheques on behalf of the Treasury. The money has run out. This is nonsense. It is a myth, and moreover it is a myth that Federal Reserve chairman Ben Bernanke exploded in his recent testimony to a US congressional committee. Asia Times">Click for Full Text! Post Comment Private Reply Ignore Thread Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest Comments (1-40) not displayed.
a: a social science concerned chiefly with description and analysis of the production, distribution, and consumption of goods and services You must be promoting slavery. "I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114) #42. To: lucysmom (#28) The income tax didn't need the 16th amendment to be Constitutional, and the Fed doesn't need the income tax. O Yes it does....for Both. And the Standing Army needs Both for war....;}
#43. To: Capitalist Eric (#23) Boehner Humiliated. Mask Ripped. Capitalism morphs to Kleptocracy. Then Plutarchy. Empire or Democracy. You chose Empire. Too bad. Game Over.
#44. To: mcgowanjm (#42) O Yes it does....for Both. Tax on income derived from labor was clearly an indirect tax (within the meaning of the Constitution) and never an issue. The 16th amendment settled the Constitutionality of a federal tax on income derived from property. By Fed are you referring the the federal government of the Federal Reserve? "...all of the equations in neoclassical economics are rubbish. The differential equations describe nothing. Economics is not about mathematics, it is about the human being." Sandeep Jaitly #45. To: lucysmom (#44) tax on income derived from labor was clearly an indirect tax (within the meaning of the Constitution) Sounds like something the SCOTUS would come up with. Like the 14th Slave Amendment's Only use was in making Persons out of Corporations. Just for shits&giggles, let's see what tax on income derived from labor 16th Amendment Google pulls up:
#46. To: lucysmom, All (#45) And Thank You. Right out of the box: Sixteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution - Wikipedia ... en.wikipedia.org/.../Sixteenth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_... - CachedSimilar This amendment exempted income taxes from the constitutional requirements .... declared that income may be defined as gain derived from capital, from labor, ... Again: exempted income taxes from the constitutional requirements
#47. To: lucysmom (#44) Tax on income derived from labor was clearly an indirect tax (within the meaning of the Constitution) So the 16th Amendment, illegally, took out the Constitution. Which is why the Amendment was needed in the first place.
#48. To: lucysmom (#44) (Edited) Tax on income derived from labor was clearly an indirect tax (within the meaning of the Constitution) and never an issue. The 16th amendment settled the Constitutionality of a federal tax on income derived from property. I'm not sure what dicta or law you may be referring to but it was held as early as Pollock that a federal tax that was made directly on an individual's money "made", which included the wages of both labor and speculation, and that was levied solely as a % rather than as a head count apportionment was held as a direct tax. In other words, the only way that the Central government could levy a tax on income would be to determine how much is needed, divide it by the population, and then levy that same dollar amount on EvERYONE. This made it virtually inpossible to institute an income tax system - which was their intent. America...My Kind Of Place... "I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..." "THE MILITIA IS COMING!!! THE MILITIA IS COMING!!!" I lurk to see if someone other than Myst or Pookie posts anything... #49. To: All (#47) The Real Story About the Federal Reserve, Income Tax, WWI, WWII ... silencednomore.com/real-s...deral-reserve-income-tax/ - Cached Feb 25, 2011 – Did you know that the Federal Reserve is Illegal? So is Income Tax. Did you know that the bankers that run the Fed wanted us to be in WWI, ... Why An Income Tax is NOT Necessary to Fund the U.S. Government www.devvy.com/notax.html - CachedSimilar We know that 100% of all personal "income" taxes extorted by the IRS goes to the "Federal" Reserve Banking System and does not fund a single function of the ...
#50. To: war (#48) This made it virtually inpossible to institute an income tax system - which was their intent. And thank you. Is it coincidence that the personal income tax and the federal reserve bank was created in the same year -1913 Tthe Sixteenth Amendment of the United States Constitution was ratified (illegally) on February 3, 1913. The Federal Reserve System, created in 1913, is a private banking system of the United States.
#51. To: All (#50) And the following neatly ties in the thread: "Keep in mind that the US Constitution explicitly forbade a standing Army in Article 1, Section 8, where it enumerates the Powers of Congress: To define and punish Piracies and Felonies committed on the high Seas, and Offenses against the Law of Nations; To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water; To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years; To provide and maintain a Navy; To make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval Forces; To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions; To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress; The outline here is clear – our National Guard serves the Militia role today, and we can mobilize them as needed (for up to two years). Keep in mind that during the Bush Administration, the wars in Afghanistan were fought by as many National Guard as active duty troops. If the Bush argument was that any foreign war is essentially an exercise in homeland defense, this only further underscores the argument that a standing Army is unnecessary....;}
#52. To: war (#48) I'm not sure what dicta or law you may be referring to but it was held as early as Pollock that a federal tax that was made directly on an individual's money "made", which included the wages of both labor and speculation, and that was levied solely as a % rather than as a head count apportionment was held as a direct tax. From Wikipedia: Pollock v. Farmers' Loan & Trust Company, 157 U.S. 429 (1895), aff'd on reh'g, 158 U.S. 601 (1895), with a ruling of 5–4, was a landmark case in which the Supreme Court of the United States ruled that the unapportioned income taxes on interest, dividends and rents imposed by the Income Tax Act of 1894 were, in effect, direct taxes, and were unconstitutional because they violated the provision that direct taxes be apportioned. "...all of the equations in neoclassical economics are rubbish. The differential equations describe nothing. Economics is not about mathematics, it is about the human being." Sandeep Jaitly #53. To: mcgowanjm (#43) Boehner Humiliated. True up to this point.
You chose Empire. NOT. I fall into the "Libertarian" view of things... kinda' like the "Dead White Guys" who wrote our constitution, and philosophers like John Locke... I don't fall into the typical "L vs. R" false dichotomy. It used to be the leftists that had bumper-stickers that said things like "Question Authority.' Today they follow slogans from 1984: War is peace. They blindly LOVE Big Brother. They believe competition, pride & profiting from ones labor, are evil things to be banished. Stephen King observed, "The beauty of religion mania is that it has the power to explain everything... [so] logic can be happily tossed out the window. This describes socialists. They will ignore logic and "common sense." They will ignore REALITY. Because THEY are religious zealots... THEIR God... is the STATE. #54. To: sneakypete, lucysmom (#41) You must be promoting slavery. That's EXACTLY what she is doing. She's a slave... to the state. She worships them, and depends on the crumbs that fall down to her (admittedly low) level, to sustain her. Ironic, that she fights and argues in defense of her masters, and boldly wears her chains and shackles...
It used to be the leftists that had bumper-stickers that said things like "Question Authority.' Today they follow slogans from 1984: War is peace. They blindly LOVE Big Brother. They believe competition, pride & profiting from ones labor, are evil things to be banished. Stephen King observed, "The beauty of religion mania is that it has the power to explain everything... [so] logic can be happily tossed out the window. This describes socialists. They will ignore logic and "common sense." They will ignore REALITY. Because THEY are religious zealots... THEIR God... is the STATE. #55. To: Capitalist Eric (#54) That's EXACTLY what she is doing. She's a slave... to the state. She worships them, and depends on the crumbs that fall down to her (admittedly low) level, to sustain her. The only ones promoting slavery in the US are your fellow capitalists trying to get the best return on their investment.
#56. To: mininggold a k a stone, jwpegler, hondo68, sneakypete (#55) The only ones promoting slavery in the US are your fellow capitalists trying to get the best return on their investment. Liar. You and I share a very special relationship: you're the parasite, and I'm the host.
I want a divorce. It used to be the leftists that had bumper-stickers that said things like "Question Authority.' Today they follow slogans from 1984: War is peace. They blindly LOVE Big Brother. They believe competition, pride & profiting from ones labor, are evil things to be banished. Stephen King observed, "The beauty of religion mania is that it has the power to explain everything... [so] logic can be happily tossed out the window. This describes socialists. They will ignore logic and "common sense." They will ignore REALITY. Because THEY are religious zealots... THEIR God... is the STATE. #57. To: Capitalist Eric (#56) (Edited) You and I share a very special relationship: you're the parasite, and I'm the host. You sound awfully grandiose to me. I can see why you want to treat everyone here like they're your slave.
#58. To: mininggold (#57) I can see why you want to treat everyone here like they're your slave. You've got that exaclty backwards, as is typical for you black-is-white- and-white-is-black SOCIALISTS... You expect me to voluntarily give up MY money (and if not, than you'll be happy to have the government take it from me by threat of prison or death) to support YOUR fat ass... Get real. You live off the government tit. And the government gets the money that it hands you... from MY wallet. Quite literally, you would prefer MY children starve, so YOU can eat without working for it.
You sound awfully grandiose to me. That sounds "grandiose?" You're a fat, stupid bitch, who is so utterly selfish, so devoid of any sense of responsibility, so shameless as to promote the theft of the fruits of MY labor, so that you can sit on your ass, DOING nothing, EARNING nothing, and DESERVING nothing. YOU ARE A PARASITE. Can I be any clearer, on where YOU are, in society? It used to be the leftists that had bumper-stickers that said things like "Question Authority.' Today they follow slogans from 1984: War is peace. They blindly LOVE Big Brother. They believe competition, pride & profiting from ones labor, are evil things to be banished. Stephen King observed, "The beauty of religion mania is that it has the power to explain everything... [so] logic can be happily tossed out the window. This describes socialists. They will ignore logic and "common sense." They will ignore REALITY. Because THEY are religious zealots... THEIR God... is the STATE. #59. To: Capitalist Eric (#58) and if not, than [sic] you'll be happy Alrighty then... [snicker] America...My Kind Of Place... "I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..." "THE MILITIA IS COMING!!! THE MILITIA IS COMING!!!" I lurk to see if someone other than Myst or Pookie posts anything... #60. To: Capitalist Eric (#54) MORPHEUS That you are a slave, Neo. That you, like everyone else, was born into bondage... ... kept inside a prison that you cannot smell, taste, or touch. A prison for your mind. "A man is not free unless his will is free; and if his will is free, it doesn't matter that his body is bound." Your mind is enslaved Eric, that's why you're so angry. "...all of the equations in neoclassical economics are rubbish. The differential equations describe nothing. Economics is not about mathematics, it is about the human being." Sandeep Jaitly #61. To: Capitalist Eric (#56) Liar. Here this might help with those little bloodsuckers......
When asked by a Liberal what I bought my Granddaughter for her 1st birthday I replied, "MORE AMMUNITION"!!!! -----------------------------"People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf." #62. To: lucysmom (#60) Your mind is enslaved Eric, that's why you're so angry. It was. That changed in 1994, when I was able to see first-hand how much the MSM and nanny-state lie. The contrast between the truth and what the people of the Western world are told, is startling. Which leads to your second point- whether I'm angry? Of course I'm angry... Because the lies have become so outrageous, so in-your-face, so obvious, that one wonders how sheeple like you can remain so blissfully ignorant, so happy to stay a slave? You SIT there........ and you watch your CNN, you get spoon-fed your daily dose of pap by the talking-heads on TV, and you think you've got a good understanding of what's going on in the world... You move on to your reality- show entertainment, "Dancing with the Stars," or "Survivor," or "General Hospital," whatever bread-and-circuses entertainment satisfies your need for mindless entertainment... and you then have the GALL to tell me- or anyone else, for that matter- that we're "enslaved?" Chayefsky summed it up this way:
-- Chayefsky, Network, 1976
You're a sheep. A mindless member of the herd, who takes what she can, and gives nothing in return. May the future bring to you EVERYTHING what you deserve. It used to be the leftists that had bumper-stickers that said things like "Question Authority.' Today they follow slogans from 1984: War is peace. They blindly LOVE Big Brother. They believe competition, pride & profiting from ones labor, are evil things to be banished. Stephen King observed, "The beauty of religion mania is that it has the power to explain everything... [so] logic can be happily tossed out the window. This describes socialists. They will ignore logic and "common sense." They will ignore REALITY. Because THEY are religious zealots... THEIR God... is the STATE. #63. To: Capitalist Eric (#62) the lies have become so outrageous, so in-your-face, so obvious... and coordinated. Virtually every leftist in the Democrat Party and their sycophants in the media have gone on television in the last 24 hours to complain that the Tea Pary is holding the country "hostage". It's a propaganda campaign. It's Joseph Goebbels. Seriously. I wonder when they are going to come round us up and gas us. To preserve our independence, we must not let our rulers load us with perpetual debt. We must make our election between economy and liberty, or profusion and servitude. — Thomas Jefferson #64. To: Capitalist Eric (#56) I want a divorce. A whole bunch of people want to rid themselves of their parasites. They use to be timid. Now they are vocal. The left is scared to death, which is why their propaganda has turned loony tunes. "The Democrats are trying to save life on this planet’ from GOP Budget" -- Nancy Pelosi. They're creepy and they're kooky, To preserve our independence, we must not let our rulers load us with perpetual debt. We must make our election between economy and liberty, or profusion and servitude. — Thomas Jefferson #65. To: Capitalist Eric (#53) (Edited) I don't fall into the typical "L vs. R" false dichotomy. Me neither...;} www.theburningplatform.com/?p=19304 "The mainstream media acts as if not raising the debt ceiling by next Tuesday will result in America defaulting. This is a crock. America chose to proceed on a path to default decades ago. We are just finally reaching our destination. Below are the choices we made as a people and a country to default on our obligations and eventually destroy our country:" Which is why we were so upset with Reagan. His Election and then Poppy coming in 3 months later after Reagan shot is the moment the USSA defaulted. Choosing Empire. Disenfranchising the Middle Class." " * As you can see, next Tuesday means nothing. The debt ceiling means nothing." We defaulted 30 years ago. The Ponzi's over now.
#66. To: Capitalist Eric (#62) Of course I'm angry... Because the lies have become so outrageous, so in-your-face, so obvious, that one wonders how sheeple like you can remain so blissfully ignorant, so happy to stay a slave? So then you're going to be angry until the world remakes itself in your image? You SIT there........ and you watch your CNN, you get spoon-fed your daily dose of pap by the talking-heads on TV, and you think you've got a good understanding of what's going on in the world... You move on to your reality- show entertainment, "Dancing with the Stars," or "Survivor," or "General Hospital," whatever bread-and-circuses entertainment satisfies your need for mindless entertainment... and you then have the GALL to tell me- or anyone else, for that matter- that we're "enslaved?"
Again, you project. Your little story is yours, it has nothing to do with me or my life. "...all of the equations in neoclassical economics are rubbish. The differential equations describe nothing. Economics is not about mathematics, it is about the human being." Sandeep Jaitly #67. To: lucysmom (#66) (Edited) Capitalist Eric: Of course I'm angry... Because the lies have become so outrageous, so in-your-face, so obvious, that one wonders how sheeple like you can remain so blissfully ignorant, so happy to stay a slave? Nice attempt to avoid the point. But avoiding reality is what you do best.
ME: You SIT there........ and you watch your CNN, you get spoon- fed your daily dose of pap by the talking-heads on TV, and you think you've got a good understanding of what's going on in the world... You move on to your reality- show entertainment, "Dancing with the Stars," or "Survivor," or "General Hospital," whatever bread-and-circuses entertainment satisfies your need for mindless entertainment... and you then have the GALL to tell me- or anyone else, for that matter- that we're "enslaved?" It has EVERYTHING to do with your life, all pathetic protestations aside. You earlier posted a quote, that said "A man is not free unless his will is free; and if his will is free, it doesn't matter that his body is bound." My response is quite simple, and describes you to a "T." None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free. -- Johann Wolfgang von Goethe -- It used to be the leftists that had bumper-stickers that said things like "Question Authority.' Today they follow slogans from 1984: War is peace. They blindly LOVE Big Brother. They believe competition, pride & profiting from ones labor, are evil things to be banished. Stephen King observed, "The beauty of religion mania is that it has the power to explain everything... [so] logic can be happily tossed out the window. This describes socialists. They will ignore logic and "common sense." They will ignore REALITY. Because THEY are religious zealots... THEIR God... is the STATE. #68. To: Capitalist Eric (#67) It has EVERYTHING to do with your life, all pathetic protestations aside. From a poster who believes buying and selling women is normal. Some of you Aspergers are just too funny and clueless. LOLOLOLOL
#69. To: mininggold, A K A Stone (#68) From a poster who believes buying and selling women is normal. Please post the link DIRECTLY to where I ever said that, or even implied that. You want to make such false accusations? Then BACK THEM UP, or shut the FUCK up. It used to be the leftists that had bumper-stickers that said things like "Question Authority.' Today they follow slogans from 1984: War is peace. They blindly LOVE Big Brother. They believe competition, pride & profiting from ones labor, are evil things to be banished. Stephen King observed, "The beauty of religion mania is that it has the power to explain everything... [so] logic can be happily tossed out the window. This describes socialists. They will ignore logic and "common sense." They will ignore REALITY. Because THEY are religious zealots... THEIR God... is the STATE. #70. To: Capitalist Eric (#62) That changed in 1994, when I was able to see first-hand how much the MSM and nanny-state lie. You are like a teenager who thinks he's discovered sex and thinks his experience is unique. What you discovered in 1994, I discovered in the early 70s and countless others discovered before and after me. "...all of the equations in neoclassical economics are rubbish. The differential equations describe nothing. Economics is not about mathematics, it is about the human being." Sandeep Jaitly #71. To: Capitalist Eric (#69) Please post the link DIRECTLY to where I ever said that, or even implied that. Your own admitted 'married' life is the manual Aspy.
#72. To: Capitalist Eric (#67) My response is quite simple, and describes you to a "T." Your response or Goethe's? Gandhi was more free in prison than you are on the outside. "...all of the equations in neoclassical economics are rubbish. The differential equations describe nothing. Economics is not about mathematics, it is about the human being." Sandeep Jaitly #73. To: lucysmom (#70) What you discovered in 1994, I discovered in the early 70s and countless others discovered before and after me. Yet you choose to remain willfully ignorant. And thus, you CHOOSE to remain a slave. You are contemptible. It used to be the leftists that had bumper-stickers that said things like "Question Authority.' Today they follow slogans from 1984: War is peace. They blindly LOVE Big Brother. They believe competition, pride & profiting from ones labor, are evil things to be banished. Stephen King observed, "The beauty of religion mania is that it has the power to explain everything... [so] logic can be happily tossed out the window. This describes socialists. They will ignore logic and "common sense." They will ignore REALITY. Because THEY are religious zealots... THEIR God... is the STATE. #74. To: mininggold (#71) Please post the link DIRECTLY to where I ever said that, or even implied that. It used to be the leftists that had bumper-stickers that said things like "Question Authority.' Today they follow slogans from 1984: War is peace. They blindly LOVE Big Brother. They believe competition, pride & profiting from ones labor, are evil things to be banished. Stephen King observed, "The beauty of religion mania is that it has the power to explain everything... [so] logic can be happily tossed out the window. This describes socialists. They will ignore logic and "common sense." They will ignore REALITY. Because THEY are religious zealots... THEIR God... is the STATE. #75. To: Capitalist Eric (#73) Yet you choose to remain willfully ignorant. Who died and made YOU god? "...all of the equations in neoclassical economics are rubbish. The differential equations describe nothing. Economics is not about mathematics, it is about the human being." Sandeep Jaitly #76. To: Capitalist Eric (#74) Please post the link DIRECTLY to where I ever said that, or even implied that. You want to make such false accusations? Then BACK THEM UP, or shut the FUCK up. Stop with the Aspergers and grow up.
As soon as you provide links supporting all your smears against me.
#77. To: Capitalist Eric (#74) You want to make such false accusations? Then BACK THEM UP, or shut the FUCK up. Oh good grief! Take a look in the mirror. "...all of the equations in neoclassical economics are rubbish. The differential equations describe nothing. Economics is not about mathematics, it is about the human being." Sandeep Jaitly #78. To: mininggold (#76) Please post the link DIRECTLY to where I ever said that, or even implied that. You want to make such false accusations? Then BACK THEM UP, or shut the FUCK up. It used to be the leftists that had bumper-stickers that said things like "Question Authority.' Today they follow slogans from 1984: War is peace. They blindly LOVE Big Brother. They believe competition, pride & profiting from ones labor, are evil things to be banished. Stephen King observed, "The beauty of religion mania is that it has the power to explain everything... [so] logic can be happily tossed out the window. This describes socialists. They will ignore logic and "common sense." They will ignore REALITY. Because THEY are religious zealots... THEIR God... is the STATE. #79. To: Capitalist Eric (#78) Stop with the Aspergers and grow up.
#80. To: mininggold (#79) ME: Please post the link DIRECTLY to where I ever said that, or even implied that. You want to make such false accusations? Then BACK THEM UP, or shut the FUCK up. Translation: You can't provide links to your claims, so you'll try to divert to something else. As usual, you're caught in your own lies. But, beign a good little socialist, you'll NEVER 'fess up. Instead, you try to attack, to hide your failures. You're a loser, and a parasite. The world will be just a little bit better... when you're worm-food. It used to be the leftists that had bumper-stickers that said things like "Question Authority.' Today they follow slogans from 1984: War is peace. They blindly LOVE Big Brother. They believe competition, pride & profiting from ones labor, are evil things to be banished. Stephen King observed, "The beauty of religion mania is that it has the power to explain everything... [so] logic can be happily tossed out the window. This describes socialists. They will ignore logic and "common sense." They will ignore REALITY. Because THEY are religious zealots... THEIR God... is the STATE. Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest |
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