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A very secret agent
URL Source: http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Global_Economy/MG27Dj02.html
Published: Jul 27, 2011
Author: Chris Cook
Post Date: 2011-07-28 10:16:46 by lucysmom
Keywords: Fiat Currency, Fed Created Tax Credit
Views: 51044
Comments: 80
There is a charade playing out in Washington at the moment in respect of the completely meaningless "debt ceiling" which the US maintains as a relic from the days of the gold standard. We are told that at the US Treasury's account at the Federal Reserve Bank there will soon be no more taxpayers' dollars, and therefore the Fed will soon be unable to make any more payments or issue any more cheques on behalf of the Treasury. The money has run out. This is nonsense. It is a myth, and moreover it is a myth that Federal Reserve chairman Ben Bernanke exploded in his recent testimony to a US congressional committee. Asia Times">Click for Full Text!
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#11. To: lucysmom (#0)
This is nonsense. It is a myth, and moreover it is a myth that Federal Reserve chairman Ben Bernanke exploded in his recent testimony to a US congressional committee. So in your estimation, the coffers if US treasury are filled to the brim and Ben Bernake is a credible puppet? Please clarify, Loo-Loo. Thanks.
#1. To: Goldi-Lox (#0) I used the wrong link. yukon posted on 2011-03-27 1:40:47 ET
Why did several of the Framers of the USCON help to create one? HUH?? I had NO frickin' idea the "Framers of the USCON" helped create the Federal Reserve. When did this happen??
#1. To: Goldi-Lox (#0) I used the wrong link. yukon posted on 2011-03-27 1:40:47 ET
FRB is a Central Bank as was The First Bank of the United States which was chartered in 1791.
America...My Kind Of Place... "I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..." "THE MILITIA IS COMING!!! THE MILITIA IS COMING!!!" I lurk to see if someone other than Myst or Pookie posts anything...
Our founding fathers from the South agreed with you, however the bill creating the first Bank of the United States was passed and signed into law by George Washington, himself.
"...all of the equations in neoclassical economics are rubbish. The differential equations describe nothing. Economics is not about mathematics, it is about the human being." Sandeep Jaitly
This is a different way of looking at money for me too.
"...all of the equations in neoclassical economics are rubbish. The differential equations describe nothing. Economics is not about mathematics, it is about the human being." Sandeep Jaitly
David Frum asked the other day "what are Republicans going to get out of this debt ceiling stand-off that they can't get in the appropriations process in the fall?" Nobody has a good answer. At this point even the Boehner plan makes almost no cuts to spending in 2012. There was no need for this "crisis", the GOP could have passed a short-term debt ceiling extension earlier this year and fought the spending/budget cut battles in the fall - without damaging markets and investor confidence and without potentially sending the country into a severe recession.
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Republicans are more interested in destroying Obama than they are in the welfare of the country.
"...all of the equations in neoclassical economics are rubbish. The differential equations describe nothing. Economics is not about mathematics, it is about the human being." Sandeep Jaitly
The fact that you not only accept such nonsense as truth,but even think it is profound truth says a lot about you. What next,"Engineering ain't about building a safe airplane,it's about the people who fly in the plane. If it gets off the ground."?
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
That's encouraging.
#1. To: Goldi-Lox (#0) I used the wrong link. yukon posted on 2011-03-27 1:40:47 ET
So destroying the Destroyer who openly calls for the GOP to be shoved into the "back of the bus' is a bad thing?? Whose DoJ regards the majority of Americans as "terrorists"?? 0bama NEVER compromises. He's arrogant. He cares not a single damn whit about the USA or capitalism or "America as we know it." He is a D-I-V-I-D-E-R. Tell me Lucy (or any liberal here at LF) - just how hasn't 0bama helped crater and divide this country the very minute he hijacked the Oval Office??
#1. To: Goldi-Lox (#0) I used the wrong link. yukon posted on 2011-03-27 1:40:47 ET
The fact that you not only accept such nonsense as truth,but even think it is profound truth says a lot about you. What next,"Engineering ain't about building a safe airplane,it's about the people who fly in the plane. If it gets off the ground."? Lol...That's good. Lucy, Lucy...Your own checkbook - is THAT about you-the-person, OR the math? Call your bank - they'll clarify the matter for you.
#1. To: Goldi-Lox (#0) I used the wrong link. yukon posted on 2011-03-27 1:40:47 ET
Economics is one of the "soft" social sciences. It is by definition, about human behavior. Engineering is a "hard" physical science. It is about stuff and how stuff works. Human beings can discover how stuff works and use that information to design lots of products that human beings use, but it isn't about human behavior.
"...all of the equations in neoclassical economics are rubbish. The differential equations describe nothing. Economics is not about mathematics, it is about the human being." Sandeep Jaitly
It used to be the leftists that had bumper-stickers that said things like "Question Authority.' Today they follow slogans from 1984: War is peace. They blindly LOVE Big Brother. They believe competition, pride & profiting from ones labor, are evil things to be banished. Stephen King observed, "The beauty of religion mania is that it has the power to explain everything... [so] logic can be happily tossed out the window. This describes socialists. They will ignore logic and "common sense." They will ignore REALITY. Because THEY are religious zealots... THEIR God... is the STATE.
Obama did not hijack the oval office, he was elected to that office by a majority of voting Americans in accordance with the rules set forth in the US Constitution. The country was divided before most of us had ever heard of Obama.
"...all of the equations in neoclassical economics are rubbish. The differential equations describe nothing. Economics is not about mathematics, it is about the human being." Sandeep Jaitly
Engineering is a "hard" physical science. It is about stuff and how stuff works. Human beings can discover how stuff works and use that information to design lots of products that human beings use, but it isn't about human behavior. Engineering is a concrete science, while economics is mainly abstract. Those who can only think concretely will try to redefine it concrete terms. And will generally be disappointed in the results.
The fact that I have a checkbook and engage in banking is not due to math, it is an activity totally dependent on my humanness.
"...all of the equations in neoclassical economics are rubbish. The differential equations describe nothing. Economics is not about mathematics, it is about the human being." Sandeep Jaitly
It's why engineers are not generally known for their social skills.
"...all of the equations in neoclassical economics are rubbish. The differential equations describe nothing. Economics is not about mathematics, it is about the human being." Sandeep Jaitly
W/o which the FedRes is toothless. The income tax didn't need the 16th amendment to be Constitutional, and the Fed doesn't need the income tax.
"...all of the equations in neoclassical economics are rubbish. The differential equations describe nothing. Economics is not about mathematics, it is about the human being." Sandeep Jaitly
Ok. He infested it. He was elected to that office by a majority of voting Americans in accordance with the rules set forth in the US Constitution. Can you kindly point out the Amendment where it's stated that DEAD PEOPLE, Disney characters, and multiple votes are constitutional? The country was divided before most of us had ever heard of Obama. I agree. I don't think the USA is or can be one "nation" any longer.
#1. To: Goldi-Lox (#0) I used the wrong link. yukon posted on 2011-03-27 1:40:47 ET
Banking is "math." HELLO.
#1. To: Goldi-Lox (#0) I used the wrong link. yukon posted on 2011-03-27 1:40:47 ET
Keeping track of how much money I have in my account is math; that I have an account, where I have it, how I spend the assets in my account, etc. is purely human.
"...all of the equations in neoclassical economics are rubbish. The differential equations describe nothing. Economics is not about mathematics, it is about the human being." Sandeep Jaitly
No,it is about numbers. If it were about human behavior,it would be called sociology.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
Economics is a social science. Definition of ECONOMICS a: a social science concerned chiefly with description and analysis of the production, distribution, and consumption of goods and services
"...all of the equations in neoclassical economics are rubbish. The differential equations describe nothing. Economics is not about mathematics, it is about the human being." Sandeep Jaitly
Is that why nobody likes me except my dog?
Now, now, Fred - people DO like you.
"...all of the equations in neoclassical economics are rubbish. The differential equations describe nothing. Economics is not about mathematics, it is about the human being." Sandeep Jaitly
Obama's watch stopped on 24 May 2008, but he's been too busy smoking crack to notice.
Yeah, I used to say similar things, too... about 20 years ago, before I started to get more educated on the subject. Economics IS about the accurate modeling of human behavior. If you have two products that are priced the same, where one has a higher level of (perceived) quality or utility over the other, than people will pick the one with the higher perceived value. While the field of economics cannot accurately determine the behavior of a single individual, it is extremely useful is predicting aggregate human behavior. Depending on the model used, the accuracy can be quite amazing. In this way, it is a science- as repeatable and useful as one of the "hard" sciences, like mechanical or electronic engineering. And I guarantee you- the field of economics is involved in your life every single day... when you buy a loaf of bread, when you put gas in your car, when you shop on amazon.com or craigslist.org, when you sell your used books at the local bookstore, or when you're sitting on your couch watching TV or listening to the radio... It's all around you, EVERY day... You seem to have this naive belief that economic theory doesn't matter or affect you. And that belief is utterly false.
It used to be the leftists that had bumper-stickers that said things like "Question Authority.' Today they follow slogans from 1984: War is peace. They blindly LOVE Big Brother. They believe competition, pride & profiting from ones labor, are evil things to be banished. Stephen King observed, "The beauty of religion mania is that it has the power to explain everything... [so] logic can be happily tossed out the window. This describes socialists. They will ignore logic and "common sense." They will ignore REALITY. Because THEY are religious zealots... THEIR God... is the STATE.
Really? How many years of study did it take you to grasp that little factoid?
"...all of the equations in neoclassical economics are rubbish. The differential equations describe nothing. Economics is not about mathematics, it is about the human being." Sandeep Jaitly
I've ALWAYS known that. You're a simpleton who preaches against the LAWS of economics, and instead demand that the STATE give you yours, regardless of who they have to steal it from. YOU encourage thievery and extortion, 'cause "I want MINE..." You don't give a SHIT about anybody but yourself... And you're not WORTH a shit, because of THAT "little factoid."
It used to be the leftists that had bumper-stickers that said things like "Question Authority.' Today they follow slogans from 1984: War is peace. They blindly LOVE Big Brother. They believe competition, pride & profiting from ones labor, are evil things to be banished. Stephen King observed, "The beauty of religion mania is that it has the power to explain everything... [so] logic can be happily tossed out the window. This describes socialists. They will ignore logic and "common sense." They will ignore REALITY. Because THEY are religious zealots... THEIR God... is the STATE.
And you're not WORTH a shit, because of THAT "little factoid." If that's the way you see me then that's what's true for you. It is a pity - you claim to have so much and yet are so angry.
"...all of the equations in neoclassical economics are rubbish. The differential equations describe nothing. Economics is not about mathematics, it is about the human being." Sandeep Jaitly
You must be promoting slavery.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
O Yes it does....for Both. And the Standing Army needs Both for war....;}
Boehner Humiliated. Mask Ripped. Capitalism morphs to Kleptocracy. Then Plutarchy. Empire or Democracy. You chose Empire. Too bad. Game Over.
Tax on income derived from labor was clearly an indirect tax (within the meaning of the Constitution) and never an issue. The 16th amendment settled the Constitutionality of a federal tax on income derived from property. By Fed are you referring the the federal government of the Federal Reserve?
"...all of the equations in neoclassical economics are rubbish. The differential equations describe nothing. Economics is not about mathematics, it is about the human being." Sandeep Jaitly
Sounds like something the SCOTUS would come up with. Like the 14th Slave Amendment's Only use was in making Persons out of Corporations. Just for shits&giggles, let's see what tax on income derived from labor 16th Amendment Google pulls up:
And Thank You. Right out of the box: Sixteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution - Wikipedia ... en.wikipedia.org/.../Sixteenth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_... - CachedSimilar This amendment exempted income taxes from the constitutional requirements .... declared that income may be defined as gain derived from capital, from labor, ... Again: exempted income taxes from the constitutional requirements
So the 16th Amendment, illegally, took out the Constitution. Which is why the Amendment was needed in the first place.
I'm not sure what dicta or law you may be referring to but it was held as early as Pollock that a federal tax that was made directly on an individual's money "made", which included the wages of both labor and speculation, and that was levied solely as a % rather than as a head count apportionment was held as a direct tax. In other words, the only way that the Central government could levy a tax on income would be to determine how much is needed, divide it by the population, and then levy that same dollar amount on EvERYONE. This made it virtually inpossible to institute an income tax system - which was their intent.
America...My Kind Of Place... "I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..." "THE MILITIA IS COMING!!! THE MILITIA IS COMING!!!" I lurk to see if someone other than Myst or Pookie posts anything...
The Real Story About the Federal Reserve, Income Tax, WWI, WWII ... silencednomore.com/real-s...deral-reserve-income-tax/ - Cached Feb 25, 2011 – Did you know that the Federal Reserve is Illegal? So is Income Tax. Did you know that the bankers that run the Fed wanted us to be in WWI, ... Why An Income Tax is NOT Necessary to Fund the U.S. Government www.devvy.com/notax.html - CachedSimilar We know that 100% of all personal "income" taxes extorted by the IRS goes to the "Federal" Reserve Banking System and does not fund a single function of the ...
And thank you. Is it coincidence that the personal income tax and the federal reserve bank was created in the same year -1913 Tthe Sixteenth Amendment of the United States Constitution was ratified (illegally) on February 3, 1913. The Federal Reserve System, created in 1913, is a private banking system of the United States.
And the following neatly ties in the thread: "Keep in mind that the US Constitution explicitly forbade a standing Army in Article 1, Section 8, where it enumerates the Powers of Congress: To define and punish Piracies and Felonies committed on the high Seas, and Offenses against the Law of Nations; To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water; To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years; To provide and maintain a Navy; To make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval Forces; To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions; To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress; The outline here is clear – our National Guard serves the Militia role today, and we can mobilize them as needed (for up to two years). Keep in mind that during the Bush Administration, the wars in Afghanistan were fought by as many National Guard as active duty troops. If the Bush argument was that any foreign war is essentially an exercise in homeland defense, this only further underscores the argument that a standing Army is unnecessary....;}
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Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/LatestWe are told that at the US Treasury's account at the Federal Reserve Bank there will soon be no more taxpayers' dollars, and therefore the Fed will soon be unable to make any more payments or issue any more cheques on behalf of the Treasury. The money has run out.
#12. To: war (#2)
The federal reserve is unconstitutional.
#13. To: Liberator (#12)
I had NO frickin' idea the "Framers of the USCON" helped create the Federal Reserve.
--GW Bush
--Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere"
#14. To: A K A Stone (#10)
Be honest with yourself and read the words as they are truly written. It is unconstitutional.
#15. To: Liberator (#11)
Please clarify, Loo-Loo.
#16. To: lucysmom, a k a stone, war, mcgowanjm, no gnu taxes, skip intro, brian s (#0)
This is nonsense. It is a myth, and moreover it is a myth that Federal Reserve chairman Ben Bernanke exploded in his recent testimony to a US congressional committee.
#17. To: go65 (#16)
There was no need for this "crisis", the GOP could have passed a short-term debt ceiling extension earlier this year and fought the spending/budget cut battles in the fall - without damaging markets and investor confidence and without potentially sending the country into a severe recession.
#18. To: lucysmom (#3)
"...all of the equations in neoclassical economics are rubbish. The differential equations describe nothing. Economics is not about mathematics, it is about the human being." Sandeep Jaitly
#19. To: lucysmom (#15)
This is a different way of looking at money for me too.
#20. To: lucysmom (#17)
Republicans are more interested in destroying Obama than they are in the welfare of the country.
#21. To: sneakypete, Lucysmom (#18)
Lucy: "Economics is not about mathematics, it is about the human being."
#22. To: sneakypete (#18)
What next,"Engineering ain't about building a safe airplane,it's about the people who fly in the plane. If it gets off the ground."?
#23. To: mcgowanjm (#6)
As is the 16th Amendment authorizing Income Tax.
Direct taxes must be Constitutionally apportioned to your State by the proportion of your State's representation (Art.1, Sect.2, Clause3 & Art1, Sect.9, Clause4). -- And, NO. The 16th amendment did not change this, the 16th amendment did not alter, add or remove any words from the original constitution, and the US Supreme Court confirmed in Stanton v. Baltic Mining Co. 240 US 103 (1915) that "… the 16th amendment conferred no new powers of taxation"
Freedom is slavery.
Ignorance is strength.
#24. To: Liberator (#20)
Tell me Lucy (or any liberal here at LF) - just how hasn't 0bama helped crater and divide this country the very minute he hijacked the Oval Office??
#25. To: lucysmom (#22)
Economics is one of the "soft" social sciences. It is by definition, about human behavior.
#26. To: Liberator (#21)
Lucy, Lucy...Your own checkbook - is THAT about you-the-person, OR the math?
#27. To: mininggold (#25)
Those who can only think concretely will try to redefine it concrete terms. And will generally be disappointed in the results.
#28. To: mcgowanjm (#6)
As is the 16th Amendment authorizing Income Tax.
#29. To: lucysmom (#24)
Obama did not hijack the oval office...
#30. To: lucysmom (#26)
The fact that I have a checkbook and engage in banking is not due to math, it is an activity totally dependent on my humanness.
#31. To: Liberator (#30)
Banking is "math." HELLO.
#32. To: lucysmom (#22)
(Edited)
It is by definition, about human behavior.
#33. To: sneakypete (#32)
If it were about human behavior,it would be called sociology.
#34. To: lucysmom (#27)
It's why engineers are not generally known for their social skills.
#35. To: Fred Mertz (#34)
Is that why nobody likes me except my dog?
#36. To: lucysmom, Fred Mertz (#35)
Now, now, Fred - people DO like you.
"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul
#37. To: lucysmom (#22)
Economics is one of the "soft" social sciences. It is by definition, about human behavior.
Freedom is slavery.
Ignorance is strength.
#38. To: Capitalist Eric (#37)
You seem to have this naive belief that economic theory doesn't matter or affect you. And that belief is utterly false.
#39. To: lucysmom (#38)
Really? How many years of study did it take you to grasp that little factoid?
Freedom is slavery.
Ignorance is strength.
#40. To: Capitalist Eric (#39)
You don't give a SHIT about anybody but yourself...
#41. To: lucysmom (#33)
a: a social science concerned chiefly with description and analysis of the production, distribution, and consumption of goods and services
#42. To: lucysmom (#28)
The income tax didn't need the 16th amendment to be Constitutional, and the Fed doesn't need the income tax.
#43. To: Capitalist Eric (#23)
#44. To: mcgowanjm (#42)
O Yes it does....for Both.
#45. To: lucysmom (#44)
tax on income derived from labor was clearly an indirect tax (within the meaning of the Constitution)
#46. To: lucysmom, All (#45)
#47. To: lucysmom (#44)
Tax on income derived from labor was clearly an indirect tax (within the meaning of the Constitution)
#48. To: lucysmom (#44)
(Edited)
Tax on income derived from labor was clearly an indirect tax (within the meaning of the Constitution) and never an issue. The 16th amendment settled the Constitutionality of a federal tax on income derived from property.
--GW Bush
--Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere"
#49. To: All (#47)
#50. To: war (#48)
This made it virtually inpossible to institute an income tax system - which was their intent.
#51. To: All (#50)
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