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Title: The NYT is Wrong: Officials Do Not Say That Medicare Is Not Sustainable In Its Current Form
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Center for Economic and Policy Research
URL Source: http://www.cepr.net/index.php/blogs ... the_press+%28Beat+the+Press%29
Published: Jul 22, 2011
Author: Dean Baker
Post Date: 2011-07-25 11:23:12 by lucysmom
Keywords: False Prophets og Doom
Views: 18385
Comments: 47
That is what Republicans say. Officials, like the Medicare Trustees, say that the program faces a modest shortfall over its 75-year planning horizon. The projected shortfall is around 0.3 percent of GDP or less than one-fifth of the amount that we increased annual military spending since September 11th. The projected Medicare shortfall is down by more than 75 percent from when President Obama took office due to the cost controls put in place in the health care reform bill. In fact, the Congressional Budget Office (CBO) calculates that the Medicare system in its current form is far more efficient than the privatized system advocated by Republicans. CBO's projections imply that switching to a privatized system would add $34 trillion to the cost of buying Medicare equivalent policies over the program's 75-year planning period. This piece also reports that Senator Coburn of Oklahoma wants to reduce the annual cost of living adjustment (COLA) to Social Security to make it more accurate. It is worth mentioning that Senator Coburn is not interested in having the Bureau of Labor Statistics construct an index that actually measures the cost of living of the elderly so that it could in fact be made more accurate. He is instead insisting that Social Security COLAs be based on an index that is known to show a lower rate of inflation.
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That only makes sense.
"...all of the equations in neoclassical economics are rubbish. The differential equations describe nothing. Economics is not about mathematics, it is about the human being." Sandeep Jaitly
hObama figures that if the patents die, it saves the Marxists a lot of money. Your death panel will soon be offering the seal team six option, a shot in the head and a quick burial at sea with full muslim ritual. The government Godzilla is not sustainable in it's current form.
Obama's watch stopped on 24 May 2008, but he's been too busy smoking crack to notice.
Aren't you confusing Obama with health insurance companies?
"...all of the equations in neoclassical economics are rubbish. The differential equations describe nothing. Economics is not about mathematics, it is about the human being." Sandeep Jaitly
That the GOP thinks it can squeeze more blood from the Bottom 90% Turnip tells you everything.
Then why is it GOP supporters feel the need to put Melamine in our food and approve toxins such as Aspartame as food additives. Not to mention the radiation we all now have to absorb that our ancestors didn't, some sources supplied by the nuclear industry, others by the military.
Do I really need to read further? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Center_for_Economic_and_Policy_Research
Now, I know I’m not going to change the minds of any of the True Believers…those who read all of Reverend Al’s sermons, and say things like, “You know, global warming can mean warmer OR colder, wetter OR drier, cloudier OR sunnier, windier OR calmer, …”. Can I get an ‘amen’??
In fact, the Congressional Budget Office (CBO) calculates that the Medicare system in its current form is far more efficient than the privatized system advocated by Republicans. That only makes sense. I'm sure it does to you, goofy. The rest of us, not relying on goverment handouts, see it differently.
Proxy IP's are amusing.....lmao
The rest of us, not relying on goverment handouts, see it differently. Your company doesn't do security checks on government employees?
No dumbass. The FBI does it for Feds, the State does it for their employees. Sheesh.
Proxy IP's are amusing.....lmao
Depends on how interested you are in being informed.
"...all of the equations in neoclassical economics are rubbish. The differential equations describe nothing. Economics is not about mathematics, it is about the human being." Sandeep Jaitly
The Republican plan calls for government subsidies to private insurers in the form of vouchers.
"...all of the equations in neoclassical economics are rubbish. The differential equations describe nothing. Economics is not about mathematics, it is about the human being." Sandeep Jaitly
He's lying of course. State & local govenments routinely outsource that function and he's on the record as saying his firm would have gone "tits-up" if it weren't for some government school hiring work coming his way.
That only makes sense. Efficient for who? Someone who has to pay taxes for it and doesn't get benefits? If you are honest with yourself you would admit that it is unconstitutional. Hint Study Davy Crockett.
Prove your not crazy. Post some links proving this crap.
The younger, healthier me paid taxes into the Medicare system so that the older me has the benefits. If you are honest with yourself you would admit that it is unconstitutional. The founding fathers didn't seem to have a problem with the federal government getting into the health insurance business. The Service was created by an act of the 5th United States Congress, which was signed into law on 16 July 1798 by President John Adams. The Act required the Department of the Treasury to "provide for the relief and maintenance of disabled seamen." This Act led to the formation of several loosely-controlled hospitals at sea and river ports all across the United States, which was officially the Marine-Hospital Fund. The Act specified the revenue for the Hospital Fund to come from the merchant seamen. Merchant seamen that used the early hospital fund hospitals were charged "20 cents per month." Wikipedia Hint Study Davy Crockett. What about Davy Crockett?
"...all of the equations in neoclassical economics are rubbish. The differential equations describe nothing. Economics is not about mathematics, it is about the human being." Sandeep Jaitly
"What about Davy Crockett?" Col. David Crockett, US Representative from Tennessee Originally published in "The Life of Colonel David Crockett," by Edward Sylvester Ellis. One day in the House of Representatives a bill was taken up appropriating money for the benefit of a widow of a distinguished naval officer. Several beautiful speeches had been made in its support. The Speaker was just about to put the question when Crockett arose: "Mr. Speaker--I have as much respect for the memory of the deceased, and as much sympathy for the sufferings of the living, if suffering there be, as any man in this House, but we must not permit our respect for the dead or our sympathy for a part of the living to lead us into an act of injustice to the balance of the living. I will not go into an argument to prove that Congress has not the power to appropriate this money as an act of charity. Every member upon this floor knows it. We have the right, as individuals, to give away as much of our own money as we please in charity; but as members of Congress we have no right so to appropriate a dollar of the public money. Some eloquent appeals have been made to us upon the ground that it is a debt due the deceased. Mr. Speaker, the deceased lived long after the close of the war; he was in office to the day of his death, and I have never heard that the government was in arrears to him. "Every man in this House knows it is not a debt. We cannot, without the grossest corruption, appropriate this money as the payment of a debt. We have not the semblance of authority to appropriate it as charity. Mr. Speaker, I have said we have the right to give as much money of our own as we please. I am the poorest man on this floor. I cannot vote for this bill, but I will give one week's pay to the object, and if every member of Congress will do the same, it will amount to more than the bill asks." He took his seat. Nobody replied. The bill was put upon its passage, and, instead of passing unanimously, as was generally supposed, and as, no doubt, it would, but for that speech, it received but few votes, and, of course, was lost. Later, when asked by a friend why he had opposed the appropriation, Crockett gave this explanation: "Several years ago I was one evening standing on the steps of the Capitol with some other members of Congress, when our attention was attracted by a great light over in Georgetown. It was evidently a large fire. We jumped into a hack and drove over as fast as we could. In spite of all that could be done, many houses were burned and many families made houseless, and, besides, some of them had lost all but the clothes they had on. The weather was very cold, and when I saw so many women and children suffering, I felt that something ought to be done for them. The next morning a bill was introduced appropriating $20,000 for their relief. We put aside all other business and rushed it through as soon as it could be done. "The next summer, when it began to be time to think about election, I concluded I would take a scout around among the boys of my district. I had no opposition there, but, as the election was some time off, I did not know what might turn up. When riding one day in a part of my district in which I was more of a stranger than any other, I saw a man in a field plowing and coming toward the road. I gauged my gait so that we should meet as he came to the fence. As he came up, I spoke to the man. He replied politely, but, as I thought, rather coldly. "I began: 'Well, friend, I am one of those unfortunate beings called candidates, and---‘ "Yes I know you; you are Colonel Crockett. I have seen you once before, and voted for you the last time you were elected. I suppose you are out electioneering now, but you had better not waste your time or mine, I shall not vote for you again." "This was a sockdolager...I begged him to tell me what was the matter. " ’Well, Colonel, it is hardly worth-while to waste time or words upon it. I do not see how it can be mended, but you gave a vote last winter which shows that either you have not capacity to understand the Constitution, or that you are wanting in the honesty and firmness to be guided by it. In either case you are not the man to represent me. But I beg your pardon for expressing it in that way. I did not intend to avail myself of the privilege of the constituent to speak plainly to a candidate for the purpose of insulting or wounding you. I intend by it only to say that your understanding of the Constitution is very different from mine; and I will say to you what, but for my rudeness, I should not have said, that I believe you to be honest. …But an understanding of the Constitution different from mine I cannot overlook, because the Constitution, to be worth anything, must be held sacred, and rigidly observed in all its provisions. The man who wields power and misinterprets it is the more dangerous the more honest he is.' " 'I admit the truth of all you say, but there must be some mistake about it, for I do not remember that I gave any vote last winter upon any constitutional question.’ “ ‘No, Colonel, there’s no mistake. Though I live in the backwoods and seldom go from home, I take the papers from Washington and read very carefully all the proceedings of Congress. My papers say that last winter you voted for a bill to appropriate $20,000 to some sufferers by a fire in Georgetown. Is that true?’ " ‘Well, my friend; I may as well own up. You have got me there. But certainly nobody will complain that a great and rich country like ours should give the insignificant sum of $20,000 to relieve its suffering women and children, particularly with a full and overflowing Treasury, and I am sure, if you had been there, you would have done just as I did.' " ‘It is not the amount, Colonel, that I complain of; it is the principle. In the first place, the government ought to have in the Treasury no more than enough for its legitimate purposes. But that has nothing with the question. The power of collecting and disbursing money at pleasure is the most dangerous power that can be entrusted to man, particularly under our system of collecting revenue by a tariff, which reaches every man in the country, no matter how poor he may be, and the poorer he is the more he pays in proportion to his means. What is worse, it presses upon him without his knowledge where the weight centers, for there is not a man in the United States who can ever guess how much he pays to the government. So you see, that while you are contributing to relieve one, you are drawing it from thousands who are even worse off than he. If you had the right to give anything, the amount was simply a matter of discretion with you, and you had as much right to give $20,000,000 as $20,000. If you have the right to give to one, you have the right to give to all; and, as the Constitution neither defines charity nor stipulates the amount, you are at liberty to give to any and everything which you may believe, or profess to believe, is a charity, and to any amount you may think proper. You will very easily perceive what a wide door this would open for fraud and corruption and favoritism, on the one hand, and for robbing the people on the other. 'No, Colonel, Congress has no right to give charity. Individual members may give as much of their own money as they please, but they have no right to touch a dollar of the public money for that purpose. If twice as many houses had been burned in this county as in Georgetown, neither you nor any other member of Congress would have thought of appropriating a dollar for our relief. There are about two hundred and forty members of Congress. If they had shown their sympathy for the sufferers by contributing each one week's pay, it would have made over $13,000. There are plenty of wealthy men in and around Washington who could have given $20,000 without depriving themselves of even a luxury of life.' "The congressmen chose to keep their own money, which, if reports be true, some of them spend not very creditably; and the people about Washington, no doubt, applauded you for relieving them from the necessity of giving by giving what was not yours to give. The people have delegated to Congress, by the Constitution, the power to do certain things. To do these, it is authorized to collect and pay moneys, and for nothing else. Everything beyond this is usurpation, and a violation of the Constitution.' " 'So you see, Colonel, you have violated the Constitution in what I consider a vital point. It is a precedent fraught with danger to the country, for when Congress once begins to stretch its power beyond the limits of the Constitution, there is no limit to it, and no security for the people. I have no doubt you acted honestly, but that does not make it any better, except as far as you are personally concerned, and you see that I cannot vote for you.' "I tell you I felt streaked. I saw if I should have opposition, and this man should go to talking, he would set others to talking, and in that district I was a gone fawn-skin. I could not answer him, and the fact is, I was so fully convinced that he was right, I did not want to. But I must satisfy him, and I said to him: " ‘Well, my friend, you hit the nail upon the head when you said I had not sense enough to understand the Constitution. I intended to be guided by it, and thought I had studied it fully. I have heard many speeches in Congress about the powers of Congress, but what you have said here at your plow has got more hard, sound sense in it than all the fine speeches I ever heard. If I had ever taken the view of it that you have, I would have put my head into the fire before I would have given that vote; and if you will forgive me and vote for me again, if I ever vote for another unconstitutional law I wish I may be shot.' "He laughingly replied; 'Yes, Colonel, you have sworn to that once before, but I will trust you again upon one condition. You say that you are convinced that your vote was wrong. Your acknowledgment of it will do more good than beating you for it. If, as you go around the district, you will tell people about this vote, and that you are satisfied it was wrong, I will not only vote for you, but will do what I can to keep down opposition, and, perhaps, I may exert some little influence in that way.' " ‘If I don't’, said I, 'I wish I may be shot; and to convince you that I am in earnest in what I say I will come back this way in a week or ten days, and if you will get up a gathering of the people, I will make a speech to them. Get up a barbecue, and I will pay for it.' " ‘No, Colonel, we are not rich people in this section, but we have plenty of provisions to contribute for a barbecue, and some to spare for those who have none. The push of crops will be over in a few days, and we can then afford a day for a barbecue. This is Thursday; I will see to getting it up on Saturday week. Come to my house on Friday, and we will go together, and I promise you a very respectable crowd to see and hear you.’ " 'Well, I will be here. But one thing more before I say good-bye. I must know your name.’ " 'My name is Bunce.' " 'Not Horatio Bunce?' " 'Yes.’ " 'Well, Mr. Bunce, I never saw you before, though you say you have seen me, but I know you very well. I am glad I have met you, and very proud that I may hope to have you for my friend.' "It was one of the luckiest hits of my life that I met him. He mingled but little with the public, but was widely known for his remarkable intelligence and incorruptible integrity, and for a heart brimful and running over with kindness and benevolence, which showed themselves not only in words but in acts. He was the oracle of the whole country around him, and his fame had extended far beyond the circle of his immediate acquaintance. Though I had never met him, before, I had heard much of him, and but for this meeting it is very likely I should have had opposition, and had been beaten. One thing is very certain, no man could now stand up in that district under such a vote. "At the appointed time I was at his house, having told our conversation to every crowd I had met, and to every man I stayed all night with, and I found that it gave the people an interest and a confidence in me stronger than I had ever seen manifested before. "Though I was considerably fatigued when I reached his house, and, under ordinary circumstances, should have gone early to bed, I kept him up until midnight, talking about the principles and affairs of government, and got more real, true knowledge of them than I had got all my life before. "I have known and seen much of him since, for I respect him - no, that is not the word - I reverence and love him more than any living man, and I go to see him two or three times every year; and I will tell you, sir, if every one who professes to be a Christian lived and acted and enjoyed it as he does, the religion of Christ would take the world by storm. "But to return to my story. The next morning we went to the barbecue, and, to my surprise, found about a thousand men there. I met a good many whom I had not known before, and they and my friend introduced me around until I had got pretty well acquainted - at least, they all knew me. "In due time notice was given that I would speak to them. They gathered up around a stand that had been erected. I opened my speech by saying: " ‘Fellow-citizens - I present myself before you today feeling like a new man. My eyes have lately been opened to truths which ignorance or prejudice, or both, had heretofore hidden from my view. I feel that I can today offer you the ability to render you more valuable service than I have ever been able to render before. I am here today more for the purpose of acknowledging my error than to seek your votes. That I should make this acknowledgment is due to myself as well as to you. Whether you will vote for me is a matter for your consideration only.’" "I went on to tell them about the fire and my vote for the appropriation and then told them why I was satisfied it was wrong. I closed by saying: " ‘And now, fellow-citizens, it remains only for me to tell you that the most of the speech you have listened to with so much interest was simply a repetition of the arguments by which your neighbor, Mr. Bunce, convinced me of my error. " ‘It is the best speech I ever made in my life, but he is entitled to the credit for it. And now I hope he is satisfied with his convert and that he will get up here and tell you so.' "He came upon the stand and said: " ‘Fellow-citizens - It affords me great pleasure to comply with the request of Colonel Crockett. I have always considered him a thoroughly honest man, and I am satisfied that he will faithfully perform all that he has promised you today.' "He went down, and there went up from that crowd such a shout for Davy Crockett as his name never called forth before.' "I am not much given to tears, but I was taken with a choking then and felt some big drops rolling down my cheeks. And I tell you now that the remembrance of those few words spoken by such a man, and the honest, hearty shout they produced, is worth more to me than all the honors I have received and all the reputation I have ever made, or ever shall make, as a member of Congress.' "Now, sir," concluded Crockett, "you know why I made that speech yesterday. "There is one thing now to which I will call your attention. You remember that I proposed to give a week's pay. There are in that House many very wealthy men - men who think nothing of spending a week's pay, or a dozen of them, for a dinner or a wine party when they have something to accomplish by it. Some of those same men made beautiful speeches upon the great debt of gratitude which the country owed the deceased--a debt which could not be paid by money--and the insignificance and worthlessness of money, particularly so insignificant a sum as $10,000, when weighed against the honor of the nation. Yet not one of them responded to my proposition. Money with them is nothing but trash when it is to come out of the people. But it is the one great thing for which most of them are striving, and many of them sacrifice honor, integrity, and justice to obtain it."
Thanks for posting that. I thought she would know what I was talking about just by mentioning Davy Crocketts name. But she didn't. I guess you are way smarter then that other woman is.
That might have worked out fine. But you liberals killed way to many babies. Now the people who would have been paying in are flushed down some toilet somewhere. Liberals didn't want to be burdened raising kids. Now they expect someone elses kids to pay into the ponzi scheme they fell for.
Lovely story, it just isn't true. The tale originated as “Davy Crockett’s Electioneering Tour,” a January 1867 article in Harper’s Magazine written by James J. Bethune, a pseudonym used by Edward S. Ellis. Ellis included the story in an 1884 edition of his Crockett biography, which has subsequently been republished repeatedly on the web by groups hoping to benefit from the Crockett association. "...all of the equations in neoclassical economics are rubbish. The differential equations describe nothing. Economics is not about mathematics, it is about the human being." Sandeep Jaitly
Liberals didn't want to be burdened raising kids. Now they expect someone elses kids to pay into the ponzi scheme they fell for. Shall we discuss this issue or fling offensive hyperbole at each other - your call.
"...all of the equations in neoclassical economics are rubbish. The differential equations describe nothing. Economics is not about mathematics, it is about the human being." Sandeep Jaitly
I'm not smarter stone, I just choose to look at facts, my mistake was confusing the bimbo with at story surrounding them. You could argue with this welfare parasite till hell freezes over and she'll still find a reason to reach into your pocket. I'm not going to argue with such a person, she has access to the truth but chooses to ignore it. She, like millions, are socialist pigs who would rather suck the life blood of others than work, or teach her own to take responsibility for their own lives. Giving someone like her a pole to fish for her own food would be a waste, she would rather stand in line for a free fish. I don't owe her or her family a living, and if it were left up to me, I'd smack that damn tit from her mouth...
The tale originated as “Davy Crockett’s Electioneering Tour,” a January 1867 article in Harper’s Magazine written by James J. Bethune, a pseudonym used by Edward S. Ellis. Ellis included the story in an 1884 edition of his Crockett biography, which has subsequently been republished repeatedly on the web by groups hoping to benefit from the Crockett association. THEN FORGET DAVY CROCKETT YOU STUPID BIMBO, TRY AND KEEP FOCUSED ON THE ISSUE INSTEAD! They have the right, as individuals, to give away as much of our own money as we please in charity; but members of Congress have no right to appropriate a dollar of the public money. Every man, and woman, in the House knows it is not a debt. They cannot, without the grossest corruption, appropriate this money as the payment of a debt. They have not the semblance of authority to appropriate it as charity. They have the right to give as much money of Their own as they please. iIt is not the amount, it is the principle. In the first place, the government should have in the Treasury no more than enough for its legitimate purposes. But that has nothing with the question. The power of collecting and disbursing money at pleasure is the most dangerous power that can be entrusted to man, particularly under our system of collecting revenue by a tariff, which reaches every man in the country, no matter how poor he may be, and the poorer he is the more he pays in proportion to his means. What is worse, it presses upon him without his knowledge where the weight centers, for there is not a man in the United States who can ever guess how much he pays to the government. So you see, that while congress is contributing to relieve one, they are drawing it from thousands who are even worse off. If they had the right to give anything, the amount was simply a matter of discretion with them, and they have as much right to give $20,000,000 as $20,000. If they have the right to give to one, they have the right to give to all; and, as the Constitution neither defines charity nor stipulates the amount, they are at liberty to give to any and everything which they may believe, or profess to believe, is a charity, and to any amount they may think proper. It is very easily perceive what a wide door this would open for fraud and corruption and favoritism, on the one hand, and for robbing the people on the other. Congress has violated the Constitution in what we consider a vital point. It is a precedent fraught with danger to the country, for when Congress once begins to stretch its power beyond the limits of the Constitution, there is no limit to it, and no security for the people. Money with them is nothing but trash when it is to come out of the people. But it is the one great thing for which most of them are striving, and many of them sacrifice honor, integrity, and justice to obtain it.
Stone tells me to study Davy Crockett; his exact words "Hint Study Davy Crockett." and now you tell me to forget Davy Crockett. WHAT'S A BIMBO TO DO?
"...all of the equations in neoclassical economics are rubbish. The differential equations describe nothing. Economics is not about mathematics, it is about the human being." Sandeep Jaitly
I'm not going to argue with such a person, she has access to the truth but chooses to ignore it. She, like millions, are socialist pigs who would rather suck the life blood of others than work, or teach her own to take responsibility for their own lives. Giving someone like her a pole to fish for her own food would be a waste, she would rather stand in line for a free fish. I don't owe her or her family a living, and if it were left up to me, I'd smack that damn tit from her mouth... Long on opinion, and short on facts - seems to be a conservative disease.
"...all of the equations in neoclassical economics are rubbish. The differential equations describe nothing. Economics is not about mathematics, it is about the human being." Sandeep Jaitly
I think your link is BS.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Davy_Crockett Even the freepers debunked this story: Tagline for sale - inquire within
"I think your link is BS." She's still got this thing about Crocket, stone, instead of what was being discussed in the article, even my 13yr old g-daughter understands what congress can, and cannot do with our money. I'll let you take over. &;-) I'd recommend the bimbo shoot herself, but that would be too much to hope for.
First, it is considered bad form to not ping a member to a post when that person is being discussed. Second, you are not the Constitutional scholar you think you are. I'd recommend the bimbo shoot herself, but that would be too much to hope for. If I were Stone, I'd ban your ass.
"...all of the equations in neoclassical economics are rubbish. The differential equations describe nothing. Economics is not about mathematics, it is about the human being." Sandeep Jaitly
If I were Stone, I'd ban your ass. If I did that. I would have to be consistent and ban all the liberals who support abortion.
I suppose that makes sense to you.
"...all of the equations in neoclassical economics are rubbish. The differential equations describe nothing. Economics is not about mathematics, it is about the human being." Sandeep Jaitly
Maybe you should start with those who post pictures of babies being eaten.
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Crockett voted for two of the land rushes didn't he? Imagine giving all that land away free to just any old riff raff who could stake a claim. I'm surprised they didn't require a 10 page questionaire regarding their political and private affiliations as a way of deciding who were the most 'deserving'.
Crockett had a reputation of voting to give land to squatters.
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That certainly would be considered a form of welfare.
Davey Crockett, By Judy L. Hasdy Read the linked passage above on Google Books (Sorry, can't cut/paste)
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Crockett believed the government should intervene on the behalf of the poor - the vary people conservatives think of as parasites.
"...all of the equations in neoclassical economics are rubbish. The differential equations describe nothing. Economics is not about mathematics, it is about the human being." Sandeep Jaitly
Thanks for the link. Davey Crockett sounds like a no good commie. /sarc
No kidding! The search for the real Crockett...reveals an independent spirit who rebelled against injustice and government cronyism. He spoke for the poor, a class from which he had barely emerged through determined effort, despite chronic debt and a lack of education. He was an egalitarian who bristled at the idea of class privilege and held the Lockean belief that people had a right to land they had worked and fed with the sweat of their brow. top of page 10 webcache.googleuserconten...ckett+in+congress&ct=clnk What would Ayn Rand say about that?
"...all of the equations in neoclassical economics are rubbish. The differential equations describe nothing. Economics is not about mathematics, it is about the human being." Sandeep Jaitly
well, he did kill a bear when he was only 3, so that disqualifies him, right?
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Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/LatestIn fact, the Congressional Budget Office (CBO) calculates that the Medicare system in its current form is far more efficient than the privatized system advocated by Republicans.
#2. To: lucysmom (#0)
cost controls put in place in the health care reform bill
"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul
#3. To: hondo68 (#2)
Obama figures that if the patents die, it saves the Marxists a lot of money. Your death panel will soon be offering the seal team six option, a shot in the head and a quick burial at sea with full muslim ritual.
#4. To: lucysmom (#1)
the privatized system advocated by Republicans.
#5. To: hondo68 (#2)
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hObama figures that if the patents die, it saves the Marxists a lot of money. Your death panel will soon be offering the seal team six option, a shot in the head and a quick burial at sea with full muslim ritual.
#6. To: lucysmom (#0)
The Center for Economic and Policy Research (CEPR) is a progressive economic policy think-tank
#7. To: lucysmom (#1)
#8. To: Badeye (#7)
I'm sure it does to you, goofy.
#9. To: mininggold (#8)
Your company doesn't do security checks on government employees?
#10. To: no gnu taxes (#6)
Do I really need to read further?
#11. To: Badeye (#7)
The rest of us, not relying on goverment handouts, see it differently.
#12. To: mininggold, badeye (#9)
The FBI does it for Feds, the State does it for their employees.
#13. To: lucysmom (#1)
n fact, the Congressional Budget Office (CBO) calculates that the Medicare system in its current form is far more efficient than the privatized system advocated by Republicans.
#14. To: mininggold (#5)
Then why is it GOP supporters feel the need to put Melamine in our food and approve toxins such as Aspartame as food additives. Not to mention the radiation we all now have to absorb that our ancestors didn't, some sources supplied by the nuclear industry, others by the military.
#15. To: A K A Stone (#13)
Efficient for who? Someone who has to pay taxes for it and doesn't get benefits?
#16. To: lucysmom, A K A Stone (#15)
"Hint Study Davy Crockett."
#17. To: Murron (#16)
#18. To: lucysmom (#15)
The younger, healthier me paid taxes into the Medicare system so that the older me has the benefits.
#19. To: A K A Stone, Murron (#17)
Thanks for posting that. I thought she would know what I was talking about just by mentioning Davy Crocketts name. But she didn't. I guess you are way smarter then that other woman is.
#20. To: A K A Stone (#18)
That might have worked out fine. But you liberals killed way to many babies. Now the people who would have been paying in are flushed down some toilet somewhere.
#21. To: A K A Stone (#17)
Thanks for posting that. I thought she would know what I was talking about just by mentioning Davy Crocketts name. But she didn't. I guess you are way smarter then that other woman is.
#22. To: lucysmom, A K A Stone (#19)
Lovely story, it just isn't true.
#23. To: Murron, A K A Stone (#22)
THEN FORGET DAVY CROCKETT YOU STUPID BIMBO, TRY AND KEEP FOCUSED ON THE ISSUE INSTEAD!
#24. To: Murron (#21)
I'm not smarter stone, I just choose to look at facts, my mistake was confusing the bimbo with at story surrounding them. You could argue with this welfare parasite till hell freezes over and she'll still find a reason to reach into your pocket.
#25. To: lucysmom (#23)
Stone tells me to study Davy Crockett; his exact words "Hint Study Davy Crockett." and now you tell me to forget Davy Crockett. WHAT'S A BIMBO TO DO?
#26. To: A K A Stone (#25)
In an 1884 book written by dime novelist[16] and non-fiction author[17] Edward S. Ellis, Crockett is recorded as giving a speech (the "Not Yours to Give" speech) critical of his Congressional colleagues who were willing to spend taxpayer dollars to help a widow of a US Navy man who had lived beyond his naval service, but would not contribute their own salary for a week to the cause.[18] Ellis describes how the once popular proposal died in the Congress largely as a result of the speech. It was said that a man from Crockett's district, Horatio Bunce, converted Crockett to such a course of action by explaining that the Constitution did not allow Congress to give charity.[18] The authenticity of this speech is questioned, however, since the Register of Debates and the Congressional Globe do not contain transcripts of speeches made on the House floor. Crockett is on record opposing a similar bill and offering personal support to the family of a General Brown in April 1828,[19] but Crockett considered applications for relief on a case by case basis and sometimes voted in favor of the applicant.[20] An article by Crockett biographer James R. Boylston debunking the "Not Yours to Give" speech was published in the November 2004 issue of The Crockett Chronicle.[21]
#27. To: go65 (#26)
Crockett is on record opposing a similar bill
#28. To: A K A Stone (#25)
"Stone tells me to study Davy Crockett; his exact words "Hint Study Davy Crockett." and now you tell me to forget Davy Crockett. WHAT'S A BIMBO TO DO"?
#29. To: Murron, A K A Stone (#28)
She's still got this thing about Crocket, stone, instead of what was being discussed in the article, even my 13yr old g-daughter understands what congress can, and cannot do with our money. I'll let you take over. &;-)
#30. To: lucysmom (#29)
I'd recommend the bimbo shoot herself, but that would be too much to hope for.
#31. To: A K A Stone, Murron (#30)
If I did that. I would have to be consistent and ban all the liberals who support abortion.
#32. To: A K A Stone (#30)
If I did that. I would have to be consistent and ban all the liberals who support abortion.
#33. To: A K A Stone (#27)
but Crockett considered applications for relief on a case by case basis and sometimes voted in favor of the applicant.
#34. To: go65 (#33)
(Edited)
but Crockett considered applications for relief on a case by case basis and sometimes voted in favor of the applicant.
#35. To: mininggold (#34)
Crockett voted for two of the land rushes didn't he? I
#36. To: go65 (#35)
Crockett had a reputation of voting to give land to squatters.
#37. To: mininggold, lucysmom, a k a stone (#36)
(Edited)
#38. To: go65 (#37)
Read the linked passage above on Google Books (Sorry, can't cut/paste)
#39. To: go65 (#37)
#40. To: Fred Mertz (#39)
Davey Crockett sounds like a no good commie. /sarc
#41. To: Fred Mertz (#39)
Davey Crockett sounds like a no good commie. /sarc
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