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URL Source: http://www.marketoracle.co.uk/Article29066.html
Published: Jul 5, 2011
Author: Peter_Schiff
Post Date: 2011-07-05 14:37:04 by Capitalist Eric
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Imagine a day when you go to buy a quart of milk, ask the price, and the cashier says, "that'll be a tenth ounce silver." As the US dollar's decline accelerates, several efforts around the country are trying to make this vision a reality. Historically, paying for items in silver or gold was actually quite common. We happen to live in an unusual time and place where generations have grown up trading exclusively in paper. While my parents still used dimes made of silver, we have now gone several decades with no precious metals in any of our official coinage. But this system of money by government fiat is unsustainable. While the practice of bartering precious metals directly for goods and services has continued on a small-scale over the last few decades, the 2000s saw the beginning of organized efforts to revive gold and silver as money. THE LIBERTY DOLLAR One such effort was spearheaded by an eccentric mintmaster from Hawaii named Bernard Von Nothaus. He called his project the Liberty Dollar, and it centered on privately minted gold and silver rounds as well as deposit certificates for precious metals held in his firm's vaults. I had many reservations about how the project was implemented - coins were minted with a fixed US dollar amount at which they were supposed to circulate, the dollar amount was well above the spot price of the metal, and authorized "distributors" were allowed to pocket the difference (which often resulted in buyers paying far higher prices for their gold than what they would have paid had they simply bought, say, Canadian Maple Leafs instead) - but I believe Nothaus' idea was a good one, even if the product was over-priced. Tellingly, despite the obvious flaws, public participation grew steadily from 1998 until 2007, when federal agents raided the Liberty Dollar's offices on trumped-up charges of counterfeiting. Really, they were charging him with competing with the US dollar's monopoly privileges by offering a better product. It's important to note that the case against Nothaus was built around his coins looking similar to official US coinage (though no one actually mistook Liberty Dollars for US currency), and not around encouraging people to use precious metals as circulating money. DIGITAL GOLD Next came a crop of internet-based currencies backed by gold and silver. Most prominent among them are eGold and GoldMoney. Both were designed to allow customers to open online accounts that were valued in, and backed by, gold and silver bullion. eGold was perhaps the better known of the two until it, too, was shut down by the US government on charges of money laundering. eGold was positioned more as an online payment system than a means of holding bullion. Due to the anonymous nature of the transactions - it was akin to spending cash - the authorities alleged that it was being used by criminal enterprises to funnel illegal funds. But mostly it was being used by regular people to begin saving and trading in money that holds its value. eGold had a transparent system of annual audits and live transaction screening by any user to keep the system honest. It, too, was growing robustly, and was putting up strong competition against PayPal until the authorities intervened. GoldMoney, founded by my friend James Turk, has remained in operation by keeping its principal operations overseas and by cooperating fully with onerous US financial regulations. It offers similar services to eGold, but with an emphasis on long-term storage. GoldMoney improves upon traditional storage by locating offshore, offering real-time online account access, and providing extra liquidity. These services do come at a cost, however. Still, over the course of the last decade, GoldMoney has swelled to over $2 billion in assets. Clearly, many people want to trade gold and silver over US dollars. Digital gold is a niche service, but I think the public's rapid embrace of these projects - none older than ten years - shows that investors are viewing gold and silver as more than mere commodities, but once again seeing them as money. This could signal a paradigm shift back to tradition, which is good news for any precious metals holder. STRAIGHT UP BARTER While digital currencies are neat, in practical terms, nothing beats the resilience of traditional barter of bullion for goods and services. If you actually own the physical gold and silver that you intend to save or trade, then you can be sure it will be there until you're ready to sell. You don't have to trust anyone except yourself. In that vein, several efforts have popped up around the country to simply get people trading gold and silver rather than dollars. Since the transactions involved are usually small, such as buying lunch at a local diner, silver is typically the metal of choice. There are several hotspots for this sort of activity. Philadelphia has one group, DelValley Silver, that has fostered a local barter market there by encouraging merchants to accept silver coins in addition to dollars. DelValley is also a silver dealer, but they sell privately minted rounds, which can be harder to liquidate than well-known coins like the American Gold Eagle and Canadian Maple Leaf. Meanwhile, in New Hampshire, many merchants associated with the Free State Project have begun accepting gold and silver at their businesses. Innovation abounds here and the practice of encasing small amounts of silver in laminated cards seems to be the most successful. Shire Silver encloses silver and gold wire in their cards and measures them in terms of grams. It's much easier to trade a flat, plastic card containing a gram of silver than to carry around a 1 oz coin. However, even their website will admit that the premium on such a small amount of silver makes it less than ideal for investment purposes. Of course, when you're ready to barter, they'll be happy to take your 1 oz rounds in return for some Shire Silver. And that Shire Silver is being accepted by more and more merchants across New Hampshire and beyond. Another variation, from a group based in Phoenix, Arizona, encloses a pre-1965 US dime inside the laminated card. Before '65, every dime contained 90% silver, making them worth about $2.50 each in today's debased dollars. That's why you won't find any pre-'65 dimes in your change from the grocery store. However, one fellow had the clever idea of putting them in these cards so they could trade at their silver value without getting mixed in with the worthless dimes we carry around today. The same group even created a free iPhone app that translates US dollar prices into various amounts of silver (more info here). While I'll still be selling regular old bullion coins and bars at Euro Pacific Precious Metals, because these are the best way to invest in physical precious metals, I am energized by these efforts. The great thing about holding and bartering physical precious metals is that there is no central company running the operations, like with the digital gold currencies, and therefore there's no single person the government can go after. (My new offshore bank, Euro Pacific Bank, Ltd., will soon be offering Visa-branded debit cards back by individual holdings of gold or silver. Euro Pacific Bank customers will be able to purchase gold from the bank, have it stored, and then access their holdings directly using their Visa cards to either make purchases though merchants or withdraw cash from banks and ATMs. Unfortunately, due to the reasons described above, I cannot offer this service to US customers. For more information about my offshore brokerage and banking companies, please visit www.europacintl.com.) THE WRITING IS ON THE WALL Besides these grassroots efforts at building barter communities, I'm seeing a cultural shift in favor of precious metals. Utah recently passed a law establishing gold and silver as legal tender and abolishing state capital gains taxes on their appreciation. I was interviewed for a new animated film called Silver Circle that features a rebel group in the near future which mints silver coins in defiance of an even more aggressive Federal Reserve. More and more people are starting to watch the gold price as often as they watch the Dow. Overall, this bodes well for our investments and for our country. If gold and silver are successfully re-monetized, our children may know a rate of economic growth not seen since our great-grandparents were in their prime. And prices may never return to today's levels again. Regards,
Peter Schiff
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#1. To: Capitalist Eric (#0)
If paper money is worthless why do gold dealers accept it?
"Keep Your Goddamn Government Hands Off My Medicare!" - Various Tea Party signs.
You don't know much about business, do you? Ever run a lemonade stand as a kid? Have you ever been a productive member of society, or have you always been a parasite?
Socialists & Democrats want you to do one thing: My view is that the collapse of the dollar will result in a system of competing digital currencies, delivered through your cell phone, and backed by gold or some other commodity. We're already seeing cash cards move to the smart phones. Hayek advocated for a system of competing currencies several decades ago. Now that we have smart phones, the Internet, and a collapsing dollar, it will happen.
Do he mean that privately minted coins are harder to liquidate than evil government ones?
They are required by law to accept the U.S. dollar as legal tender in the United States. No law will be able to force people to take the dollar once the hyperinflation starts. People will thumb their nose at the feds on the dollar, just like they are thumbing their nose at the feds with regards to medical marijuana.
Then why don't they price their gold well above the spot price as a risk premium?
Gold is priced based on the risks of holding U.S. dollars. That's why gold has shot up from $400 an ounce in 2004 to over $1,500 today.
During the evil Apartheid regime, The South African Krugerrand was the most sought after gold coin in the world. Today it's Maple Leafs and Gold Eagles. Yes, the U.S. government is a more well-known entity some small, private minting company, so it's coins are more easily recognized and accepted. I own a bunch of Silver coins. Some are privately minted "American Prospectors". Others are old U.S. coins. Silver is a better crisis material than gold and will be easier to shop with if a true economic collapse occurs.
Why would they sell their gold at all for worthless paper money?
"Keep Your Goddamn Government Hands Off My Medicare!" - Various Tea Party signs.
I recall back then that Krugerrands could always be bought at a smaller premium than Gold Eagles or Maple Leafs. Perhaps that was the reason they were popular.
Or at least add a huge risk premium to the spot price, say 25% or so. I do recall that this gold/silver bubble happened once before in my lifetime. It didn't end well for anyone who bought near the top.
Yep. Kruggerrands were the cheapest and actually of superior quality to many gold coins. Buyers knew it was the most value for the buck at the time, a concept about which Jwpegler seems a little vague.
I loved those commercials on crazy right wing radio and TV spots where they scare the old white wussies listening into thinking the world is about to end so they should buy gold - in exchange for soon to be worthless dollars. I find that con game so funny. It's like the right wing kooks selling their old cow for beans thinking they will turn into magic beans.
"Keep Your Goddamn Government Hands Off My Medicare!" - Various Tea Party signs.
The Goldline scam on Glenn Beck's show amuses me. Buy our gold at a 20+% premium to the market, then when you want to unload it we'll give you 80% of the current market price. There's nothing like taking a big bath on both sides of the transaction to separate a fool from his money, something that talk radio and Fox advertisers are very good at.
I'm glad you thought they were funny... Go ahead, keep laughing... 8^)
Socialists & Democrats want you to do one thing: Back when? Gold Eagles weren't minted until 1986. During the Carter inflation, Krugerrand's commanded a premium price.
Currently, the answer to that would be "yes." Such coins carry not only bullion value, but numismatic value, and are widely regarded throughout the world as "good" coins, i.e., the standard by which other coin values are measured... it's a wierd thing, on coin values. Interestingly, China has gotten into the act, counterfeiting silver Eagles. Because the price of "numismatic" coins (high collector value) are far in excess of the cost of minting, China is very busy fleecing the collectors of numismatics. OTOH, because the price of silver rounds from various mints is relatively low, there's not enough profit margin in it for Chinese fakes to be profitable. So I buy silver rounds... I don't give a rats ass about "collector" value, I buy bullion for its intrinsic value. I think no more of numismatics than I do of collecting stamps, or baseball cards. When I was in Russia two months ago, I gave my father-in-law a silver round, from a well-respected mint here in the USA. A few days later, he gave me a 1923 Russian ruble... 18g of silver in it. The round I gave him was worth maybe $40, but the collector value made the ruble he gave me worth ~$130. Go figure.
Socialists & Democrats want you to do one thing: The gold run was part of the Hunt brother's fiasco and had little to do with natural inflation from Carter or otherwise. Just another example of Texas oilmen and their insatiable sociopathic greed.
Yes, you're correct. My mother got caught up in the great gold/silver swindle of 1979-1980 and lost a bundle from dealing with the Goldline-type companies of the day. Funny thing is, years after she died I was still receiving mail from other fraudsters promising her new coin investments that would make her whole, and then some. Once on the sucker list, always on the sucker list.
Is your wife one of those mail-order brides? A friend of mine went over there about 5 years ago and came very close to marrying one - she was a knockout.
If the dollars are soon to be worthless. Wouldn't it be smart to have gold instead?
So why would the gold dealer sell his gold for dollars then?
"Keep Your Goddamn Government Hands Off My Medicare!" - Various Tea Party signs.
Lots of reasons. Why do people trade stock? One thing they could use the money for is to buy land. Many more options. I find it funny that your view is if someone trades something. One of the traders is automatically no good. I'm sure you probably think cars suck too. I mean why would a car dealer sell a car for paper if the car is so good. That is an example of the way your brain malfunctions. Something just isn't there. Did you by chance have a major head injury in your past? Maybe an auto accident or falling from a tall building on your head?
All the gold dealing I see seems to rip people off on the value of gold.
"Keep Your Goddamn Government Hands Off My Medicare!" - Various Tea Party signs.
Really. That is strange. Take everyone that bought gold for the last 50 years. If they held onto their gold all that time, if they bought it 50 years ago or last year. Is the gold worth more when they bought it or is it worth more now. Wow what a surprise it is worth more now. Do you live in bizarro world or is it a head injury as I speculated upstream?
If they held onto their gold all that time, if they bought it 50 years ago or last year. Is the gold worth more when they bought it or is it worth more now. Wow what a surprise it is worth more now. Thats a fairly simple minded way to look at investing. What else could you have bought and held for fifty years and how does that investment compare with gold?
Yes it is simple. 100 percent of the people in the last 5000 years that bought gold and held it made a profit if they sold it this year. 100 percent success rate.
Land would also have been a good investment. If you used your gold to buy paper dollars. You would have taken a severe beating. Like say you were one of the peons who had their gold stolen by FDR. If you held on to that 20 dollar paper note. It would still be worth about 15 double cheeseburgers from McDonalds. But if you hid your gold and didn't let FDR the liberal steal it. You would have what $1500 right now. I'd take $1500.00 over 15 double cheeseburgers any day of the week.
And all they had to do was live 5000 years.
Then they'd be nearly as old as earth is, according to stone.
You still could keep 100 dollars face value per person including kids. And soon most found out no one was being prosecuted for not complying. It was a policy that few agreed with as it robbed those who turned their gold in of another 15 to 21 dollars in value, but remember those 20 dollar gold pieces still only had about 14 dollars of gold in them so most got paid more than the basic gold value. Of course immediately the price per ounce was reset at 35 dollars per ounce and there was quite a stink about it from the public. Being one of those austerity measures that modern conservatives love to fantasize about it did help usher in the longest era without a depression or panic in our history. While making land a viable investment as during the previous panics and depressions it's value especially of farmland often went down to almost zero. Until the Bush's came along that is.
She's Russian. There's no such thing as a "mail-order bride." That's a term the feminists made up, to twist reality. Fact of the matter is, she had a very good position, was making excellent money, and had a higher net value (by far) than I. She did her best, to convince me to move to Russia. After I finish my doctorate, we'll see.
To LucysIDIOTmom, gobsheit, go56, skippy, bif and dummy-DwarF: You would rather die than think. Thanks for the clarification.
He's BSing as usual. There are tours abroad exploiting legal loopholes where the participants pick the girl of their dreams out of a lineup, then a scenario is created where they appear to meet randomly and spend a few hours getting acquainted, so the perps can legally declare the expressed purpose of their trip abroad wasn't for finding a bride. But I guess technically he's correct, no brides legally are mailed to the US.
I don't remember asking my buddy how he arranged his visit to Russia. I recall that he informed my dad about it in confidence - I guess he didn't want other folks to know. After the fact he did show me dozens of pictures and told me details of them, but that was about 5 years ago. I do remember she was a knockout. He got cold feet for his own reasons. Now he has six dogs.
For what purpose? I have no reason to lie, yet you leftists insist that I do. There was a time when that was true... about 15 years ago. The negative publicity, plus a Russian girl who came to America and was murdered by her new American "husband" caused the government to get strict on immigration laws, especially with regard to K-1 or K-3 visas. It is a very long and frustrating process. And one thing you'll never admit to- it's very expensive. IF a guy chose to go on one of those "tours," where basically an agency would introduce him to young and eligible women, the probabilities of finding an "ultra-Natasha," i.e., a gold-digger, are pretty high. The tours basically are a way for agencies to separate fools from their money, while having young girls (who for the most part only want to leave the Hell-hole they're in) act interested. In my case, when I take vacation, I prefer to go off the beaten path. I've never been to Hawaii, but I've been to Romania a bunch of times. Same with Ireland. My last major vacation, I decided to go to Russia... I talk with people from all over the world, so I had a standing invitation to Russia... took my cameras, had an itinerary which started in Rostov-On-Don, then Moscow, then St.Petersberg. I had friends at each location, waiting for me to show up. But I met this nice girl in Rostov... and never made it to Moscow. We've been married just over five years, and have two daughters. Oh, and there's one other aspect of the so-called "mail-order bride" propaganda... that somehow they're more docile or whatever. The fact is, my wife is incredibly tough, and savvy. Plus, she can stretch a penny until it's molecule-thin. I've learned a lot from her... and continue to do so. Your statements- for the most part- are. mischaracterizations.
To LucysIDIOTmom, gobsheit, go56, skippy, bif and dummy-DwarF: You would rather die than think. petey has been to Russia a number of times on vacations, so you two have something in common.
I'm sure sneaky would be confirm... generally speaking, girls in Russia are much smarter and tougher, than American men are used to... Any man who forgets this pays a heavy price. :-@ LOL.
To LucysIDIOTmom, gobsheit, go56, skippy, bif and dummy-DwarF: You would rather die than think. You said there was no such thing as mail order brides and I begged to defer. Not once did I accuse you of participating, yet you went right on the defensive.
You don't speak from a basis of experience and knowledge, while I do. You make insinuations, based in ignorance. I HAVE investigated such claims as you make, and found them to be gross misrepresentations. You don't like to be called out as a liar? Then quit lying.
To LucysIDIOTmom, gobsheit, go56, skippy, bif and dummy-DwarF: You would rather die than think. You make insinuations, based in ignorance. I HAVE investigated such claims as you make, and found them to be gross misrepresentations. You don't like to be called out as a liar? Then quit lying. I doubt you have the vast experience you claim in all the countries from which mail order brides can be obtained. I differed and I gave my rationale, and as usual you offer nothing but your arrogant edict and patented childish name calling. No wonder you had to find someone in desperate enough circumstances in life, to put up with your BS.
Bonanza had a good mail order bride episode on that I've seen. Rather than a foreign woman it was an American woman from the east. I think it was Tom Boseley/Mr. C who was the nervous husband-to-be.
Again, you reactionaries are living in the past. Mail order brides existed in the 19th century when America was opening the west. Modern Internet dating sites are not "mail order brides".
Mail order brides existed in the 19th century when America was opening the west. Modern Internet dating sites are not "mail order brides". Yeah right. Please continue on with your obfuscation. Why are you guys so defensive?
They are still around. The term still applies even if the means of communication have changed. Ever hear of a one horse town?
I worked with a guy who went on vacation to the Philippines and came back viola! married with a cute wife who soon became his worst nightmare. He stood by her though when she needed 24 hour care and her relatives who loved to visit before she got sick couldn't seem to find the time afterward.
Ever hear of a one horse town? All one has to do is do a mail order bride search and see all the sites from the various countries that pop up.
A guy I know about two miles down the road did something similar. He claims to have had a long term e-mail relationship with this woman from the Philippines, 20 years younger than him. He had her flown in on a Sunday and had a civil ceremony at his home on Wednesday, with a minor reception at the local tavern. They are still together and that is good. Everyone, except jwpegler, refer to her as his mail order wife - not to his face, of course.
No they are not. You can't show us one.
There are oodles of sites on the internet proudly proclaiming to offer "mail order brides".
http://www.singlebrides.com/ is one. Took all of 2 seconds to find it. From their intro: "Welcome
I don't believe you. Women from the third world cannot get visitors visas to the U.S. A fiance visa takes over a year. If you are already married it takes two years to bring your spouse to the U.S. You cannot just fly someone in one Sunday.
Okay, you've never hear of the colloquial one horse town - carry on. You must be married to one of those mail order brides is my only conclusion.
My only conclusion is that you are a big bull shitter
http://www.singlebrides.com/ is one. Peglers probably now having doubts that he got the best deal.
That is what I saw my from vantage point. He likely worked out the details and money in advance, like you suggest. You seem to have a great deal of knowledge about it. Did you marry one?
You must be married to one of those mail order brides is my only conclusion. Something tells me pegler's one of them foreigners. So he might have actually married a fellow countryman or woman.
Women from the third world cannot get visitors visas to the U.S. Are you saying all those third world women in airports coming here on vacation don't actually exist?
Another friend of mine has a brother in PA that married a mail order bride from the Philippines. He was getting up there in age. That same friend married a very pretty and nice woman from Honduras - he was stationed there during his Army years. No one would even think of referring to her as a mail order bride. I'm godfather to their daughter.
K-1 Fiancee Visa K-1 Fiance Visa Definition The Immigration and Nationality Act provides a nonimmigrant visa classification “K-183; for aliens coming to the United States to marry American citizens and reside here. K-1 Fiance Visa APPROXIMATE PROCESSING TIME 3 to 6 months from initial filing to fiance’s arrival.
Go ask any attorney who specializes in this. It takes over a year now. That's the difference between googling something and having actual experience.
Yes,and the world was a MUCH less complex place back then. Most people didn't even have money or any need for money. They never traveled more than walking distance from their huts or caves,and they made or raised everything they wore or ate. Gold was for the aristocracy and the merchant class. Ever tried to buy a tank of gas at a convenience store with a gold or silver bar? And if you think this would be possible how would you get your change? Would you take it in slim jims? Or would you accept the merchants scales as being accurate and let him shave slivers off your gold bar until he had the right amount down to the penny? Imagine trying to pay for a breakfast biscuit at a McDonalds,and trusting your gold to a high school dropout that can't even read and needs pictures on the cash register keys to know what to ring up. Are you REALLY going to allow these people to shave slivers off your bar or pour gold dust out of your bag until they have the correct amount? And even then,how will you know what the correct amount is in a post-apocalyptic world where governments have collapsed and there is no stable market or treasury? Even back in the days when people did trade in gold coins,the coins had an established weight in gold per coin because they were minted by a government that guaranteed them.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
They will be debits and credits,and they will be backed by nothing at all other than the police state that will exist in a cashless society. Think "company town" from the 1920's and 30's,and apply it on a global scale. The credits you earn can only be spent in the area where you live and work,and the special credits that can be spent anywhere will require special permits and account numbers.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
Yes. Who would YOU trust to guarantee the purity,a established government,or Saul the pawnbroker?
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
Yes,and the world was a MUCH less complex place back then. Most people didn't even have money or any need for money. They never traveled more than walking distance from their huts or caves How does this jibe with the US minting and circulating silver coins up until 1964?
war has to do something for entertainment. The voices in his head aren't speaking to him and his imaginary friends have found reasons not to come over anymore.
What's funny is you really do think that happens. There is a reason you are a Dim,boy.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
That was silver,not gold.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
I think a tall building fell on his head. The building didn't survive.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
LOL! That reminds me of the hatred spewed out by American women towards Asian women. According to these stereotypes,American men want Asian women because they are submissive and never speak back. That may be one of the funniest things I have ever heard in my life,and it's obvious that anybody that makes that claim has never lived in Asia and known Asians on a personal level. They damn sure have never ran into a pissed-off Asian woman shrieking at a pitch that will shatter glass in skyscrapers,and at a level that can be heard miles away. It's a similar thing with the stereotypes about Russian women being mail-order brides that are either submissive,or whores looking for a free ticket to the US. American men like them because for the most part they are not shrews looking to dominate their husbands. If fact,most I have met see themselves are partners to their husbands,and freely admit that men and women need each other and that both have roles to play in a family. If the man fails on his responsibility,he will quickly find out how "submissive" they are because they will jack his ass up. The problem is with the American women,who tend to confuse not being argumentative or competitive with their husbands as being submissive to them.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
Any man who forgets this pays a heavy price. :-@ AMEN! That's one of the things I love most about them. They are smart enough to understand the way to get what they want is to act like women,not men. They use their femininity at home to get their way,and expect the man to be a man. The poor SOB who marries one and isn't willing to step up to the plate and be the public leader of the family lives in a living hell. They do all this without EVER hiding their intellectual abilities. Don't try to bullshit one of them hoping she will let is slide because she WILL ask you for explanations and not accept anything at face value. Of course,my opinions may be a little skewered because the Russian women I was friends with were professionals. One is a medical doctor with two areas of specialty,and another is a linguist that reads,writes,and speaks 5 different languages and was married to a professor that taught electrical engineering and design. He had never owned a gun in his life other than the pistol issued to him when he was a officer in the Red Army,but I have never met a man in my life crazier over guns than he was. He died last year,and I have pretty much lost contact with his wife since then. She got so depressed after his death she pretty much kept/keeps to herself. Oddly enough,the same is true with another Russian woman friend of mine (computer nerd) that I hooked up with the American man she married. He died last year too,and she just about went nuts. She is living in LA if she is still living. The other woman is still living in Russia and has no interest in leaving. I even invited her and her husband to come to America and stay with me one summer,and neither had any interest in coming.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
There isn't and hasn't been since the 19th Century.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
I think you need to do some research on what the US Government requires before allowing a foreign women to come to the US as the LEGAL spouse of an American citizen. I know of a couple of cases and both times it took over a year with full documentation on how well and how long they had known each other,and thousands of dollars in fees. I think the marriage agencies are probably more guilty of promoting this misconception than anyone else. They want it to look easy because they get rich selling tickets,shelter,visa services,etc,etc,etc. The more men they can get to buy their packages the more money they make.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
Ever hear of a one horse town? Maybe if you are talking about an American woman from another town or state hook,but not when it comes to foreign women marrying for citizenship. Or for foreign men marrying American women for US citizenship,as far as that goes.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
Maybe the rules are different for the Philippines than for Russia because the Philippines used to be a US protectorate?
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
There are also oodles of sites on the internet offering you millions of dollars in commissions if you will help them smuggle cash out of their country. Hey,if you can't trust the internet to be truthful,who CAN you trust?
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
Yes,they exist,but it is a LOT more complicated than you buying a ticket and getting on a plane to fly to Rome,for instance. IIRC,they have to have sponsor here (family member,etc) that will sign off on being responsible for them financially while they are here,and a bunch of other stuff,too. Chances are most of the 3rd world women you see in US airports are coming to see relatives who are US citizens.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
It's often not harder that even that. The Consulate will them, "you can have the family member comehere." If they can't show that they are financially independent, it can be almost impossible in many cases to be granted a legal visa.
Now, I know I’m not going to change the minds of any of the True Believers…those who read all of Reverend Al’s sermons, and say things like, “You know, global warming can mean warmer OR colder, wetter OR drier, cloudier OR sunnier, windier OR calmer, …”. Can I get an â€amen’??
Yes,and the world was a MUCH less complex place back then. Most people didn't even have money or any need for money. They never traveled more than walking distance from their huts or caves How does this jibe with the US minting and circulating silver coins up until 1964? You don't understand the difference between minted coins backed by a government,and raw gold or silver?
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
It's often not harder that even that. The Consulate will them, "you can have the family member comehere." If they can't show that they are financially independent, it can be almost impossible in many cases to be granted a legal visa. That just reminded me that the reverse was also true when it came to Russia in the 90's. I couldn't even get a visa to visit there until Natalia and Vladimir sent me a notarized letter of invitation saying they would be responsible for taking care of me while there. That was also the reason a lot of guys used marriage agencies to get visas to go to Russia as tourists. The marriage agencies had paid off Russian officials to provide invitations so foreigners could get visas. You had to pay the agency fee to get the visa even if you had no real interest in getting married. I had forgotten all about that until your post.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
Heh. Sounds familiar... To LucysIDIOTmom, gobsheit, go56, skippy, bif and dummy-DwarF: You would rather die than think. Translation: Ok, I was talking out my ass. YOU must be married to one of them damned furiners! Sad. Better to admit you don't know, and have done with it.
To LucysIDIOTmom, gobsheit, go56, skippy, bif and dummy-DwarF: You would rather die than think. OK, I'll bow to your actual experience.
Since I never made such a claim, you're lying again. You disagreed, because you're are hopeless bimbo, brainwashed about a subject that threatens ALL American women, and so you spout the propaganda. You don't give your "rationale," you give talking points. Grow up. I called you on your lies. You're caught. Your attacks are simply to distract from being outed as a liar- again. Now who's doing the name-calling? I divorced my first wife, a 3rd-generation American. She was too materialistic, too much of a drama-queen. She'd say or do anything needed, to be the center of attention in any situation. I literally walked out with the clothes on my back, after I signed over the house, the cars, the horses, everything to her. But I was relieved- it felt like the world had been lifted off of my shoulders. [I didn't want to put up with her crap any more. She was a miserable excuse for a human being, and being such a drama-queen, I could never trust her to raise children... I didn't know if she'd compete with them for attention.] Within three months, she was calling me, wanting to meet for lunch, and (eventually) asking for money. Everything I signed over to her, she pissed away. Unfortunately, she is typical of most American women- greedy, stupid and arrogant. No sense of shame, no sense of family, honor or honesty. No ability to take responsibility for their own actions, and no work ethic. I decided I can do better. And I did, by finding someone who didn't have all the weaknesses, and was tough and smart. BEST choice I ever made. I recommend to all my friends, to look for a woman outside the Western hemisphere. It doesn't guarantee you won't land a ball-cutting bitch... but the odds are a lot lower. And if a fella's really smart, he can avoid that possiblity altogether. Only a fool would put up with the "what have you done for me lately?" attitude that American women have. Who needs that shit? Let's be blunt, in general terms: They're generally more attactive than American women, and are more serious about taking care of themselves. (Forget that shit that, "oh, you have to love me as I am, a 400-# buffalo!") They're smarter and tougher than American women. If you're stupid in Russia, you're dead. In America, the weak and the stupid are supported by the nanny-state, in return for their vote. [Of course, then, there is no motive to smarten-up, so it makes a nice symbiotic relationship of simpletons supporting each other.} Americans (and esp. American women) are incredibly stupid about money. Yeah, they have 26 pairs of black high-heels that all look exactly the same, but dammit, they need them all! Oh, they'll also have a closet full of dresses, and a new Lexus or BMW out front- leased. They'll rent a house, but rarely own it. And they're looking for someone who's RICH to make them feel like Cindarella or Julia Roberts in "Pretty Woman." Of course, no guy who gets wealthy by being smart will be sufficiently stupid to marry her. Americans have no sense of family- not like the rest of the world. Oh, when our folks get old, we'll just send them off to a "retirement home," so we don't have to look at them, talk to them, deal with something as inconvenient as your aged mother! Who wants the hassle? The rest of the world understands that families must work together, help each other, respect each other... American women have NO idea about that. American women will ask their parents, "what have YOU done for me lately," and when the answer is "not much," (ignoring the fact that you wouldn't BE here without them) American women will not want to support their own family... In every way that matters, ming, your posts demonstrate that you are as wanting as the stereotypical American woman. It's no wonder, that YOU find my comments so offensive. Indeed, they strike the center of your black and shrivelled heart. GOOD.
To LucysIDIOTmom, gobsheit, go56, skippy, bif and dummy-DwarF: You would rather die than think. Amen,amen,and AMEN! I met Russian women both times I went there that tried to get me to stay and live with them in Russia,but none had any interest in moving to America because their families were in Russia. And any man who thinks he doesn't have to pass a family inspection and get approval before getting serious with a Russian woman has never met a traditional Russian woman.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
Look it up doofus.
No one said it wasn't somewhat complicated and did not require some careful planning and forethought, except for old jwpegler who said it never occurred, but it does happen all the time.
This was an example of a colloquialism still in use today from the old days. Just like mail order brides are still out there today, usually from foreign countries. It's a phrase, not a technical thing. Capitalist Eric can likely explain it to you.
Hey,if you can't trust the internet to be truthful,who CAN you trust? If you ever bother to read a thread before you put your foot in your mouth you will find where the pegleg stated that there is no such thing as a mail order bride in this day and age. Too bad the rest of the world was not let in on his little secret.
LOL One horse town..usually a town most people would rather not be in. But between SP and Erica they'll used up the rest of the bandwidth posting their superior wisdom and still say nothing. Sorry about your dog. You sound like a thoughtful owner and she was lucky to have you.
I just posted a thread with the explanation as most people understand it. You left out jwpegler.
He doesn't care as he has his own set of facts and nothing else matters.
She IS lucky to have me and I her. Your advice from last September - 8 months ago - I'm certain helped extend her happy life. We went on a long walk today as compared to previous nights. She might last months rather than weeks - we'll see.
No wonder every one thinks you're an a-hole. Piss off and I'm glad you and your mail-order bride's arrangement worked out so far.
I don't have to look it up,dummy. I have friends who are still crying about it.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
Blah,blah,blah. If you had an actual mind you would realize you are full of shit. For example,I can call YOU a Buick,but I can't drive you to work.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
Anyone who deals in scrap metal is able to test for purity.
Von Mises associates any Government involvement in markets as "Socialism" , to mislead people into thinking Government is the enemy , when infact empire is the enemy and empire is Privatized.
You really are a very angry man.
Von Mises associates any Government involvement in markets as "Socialism" , to mislead people into thinking Government is the enemy , when infact empire is the enemy and empire is Privatized.
Are you suggesting that I should seek a mail-order bride?
Anyone who deals in scrap metal is able to test for purity. And that changes what I wrote in what way? BTW,I have been to several scrap dealers to sell scrap. I sold about 60 lbs of aluminum to one two days ago. I have never seen one that buys gold or silver.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
It would be beneficial to you, if you did that more often.
Then your friends will probably repeat their mistakes, but that's what those who CHOOSE to remain ignorant keep doing over and over and over. Soon to be snookered by the next scheme from the next generation of oil guys. You guys are so easy. LOLOL
Anecdotal evidence hardly proves the norm.
My two local scrap dealers will buy both as will every jewelry and coin store in town. Every gold show, and most gun and sports shows have a gold dealer that will give top dollar. Plus bars are a great place to get the very best prices.
I assumed from his claimed personal knowledge of the subject that he ordered his wife this way. If he didn't, then he's just full of shit.
If he didn't, then he's just full of shit. If he didn't at least it appeared to be an avenue he considered. These guys are so full of themselves with their obsessive need to be seen as experts, that they fall into their own traps very easily.
Between pegler, sneakypete and myself, we've explained a lot about the subject you're knee-jerking about. That you refuse to accept those explanations is strictly your problem. Me: Translation: Ok, I was talking out my ass. YOU must be married to one of them damned Afuriners!" Sad. Better to admit you don't know, and have done with it. Fred Mertz: No wonder every one thinks you're an a-hole. Piss off and I'm glad you and your mail-order bride's arrangement worked out so far. Equally sad. You talk out your ass, on a subject where your only source of information is the MSM, and make yourself look like an idiot. You get caught, and try to cover that by insulting the person, instead of having any sense of class, and simply bowing out of the discussion. Tacky. When I point this out to you, then I am the ass-hole? LOL. Get OVER yourself, grandpa. Your views- when based on the MSM propaganda- are worth a squirt of warm piss. Oh, and your continued insults after the fact, simply reconfirm that YOU are the ass-hole. Typical response from a leftist sheeple. Oh, you're suffering from something... It's a sad attempt to minimize the facts of what I've posted. To actually accept such facts, would force you to consider that the truth may not be what you were brainwashed to think. And I'm not angry. As my mother has stated, I've "no tolerance of fools." Fred Mertz: Are you suggesting that I should seek a mail-order bride? Where did I ever suggest you were my friend? From wikipedia: (Redirected from Hunt brothers) Nelson Bunker Hunt (born February 22, 1926) is an American oil company executive. He is best known as a former billionaire whose fortune collapsed after he and his brother William Herbert Hunt tried but failed to corner the world market in silver. ming, is there anything that you don't get wrong? Bullshit. After having the facts presented to you, you insist on using "a phrase" meant to malign any who would reject American women. This "phrase," BTW, was pushed by the feminist organizations, who saw such ideas as a threat to their primacy. The term was a sound-bite description, which told nothing of the truth, but was easily accepted by the stupid and ignorant public.
To LucysIDIOTmom, gobsheit, go56, skippy, bif and dummy-DwarF: You would rather die than think. I'm not wading through your Asperger's type presentation, look up Hunt brothers and gold for a start.
No, I'm sure FACTS are too difficult for a stupid bitch like you to deal with. Oh, like HERE? In 1973, the Hunt family of Texas, possibly the richest family in America at the time, decided to buy precious metals as a hedge against inflation. Gold could not be held by private citizens at that time, so the Hunts began to buy silver in enormous quantity. In 1979 the sons of patriarch H.L. Hunt, Nelson Bunker and William Herbert, together with some wealthy Arabs, formed a silver pool. In a short period of time they had amassed more than 200 million ounces of silver, equivalent to half the world's deliverable supply. When the Hunt's had begun accumulating silver back in 1973 the price was in the $1.95 / ounce range. Early in '79, the price was about $5. Late '79 / early '80 the price was in the $50's, peaking at $54. Once the silver market was cornered, outsiders joined the chase but a combination of changed trading rules on the New York Metals Market (COMEX) and the intervention of the Federal Reserve put an end to the game. The price began to slide, culminating in a 50% one-day decline on March 27, 1980 as the price plummeted from $21.62 to $10.80. The collapse of the silver market meant countless losses for speculators. The Hunt brothers declared bankruptcy. By 1987 their liabilities had grown to nearly $2.5 billion against assets of $1.5 billion. In August of 1988 the Hunts were convicted of conspiring to manipulate the market. One other experience in the silver bubble worth noting, according to author Edward Chancellor ("Devil Take the Hindmost"), is the experience of an official at the Peruvian Ministry of Commerce, employed to hedge his country's silver production, who lost $80 million by illicitly selling silver short. Said Chancellor, "Although a relatively small sum for a sovereign nation, it was an omen: the 'rogue trader' had appeared on the modern financial scene." The stock market had its own troubles during the rise and fall of silver. The Dow Jones peaked on February 13, 1980 at 903.84. The day of the collapse, March 27th, the Dow closed at 759.98, a decline of 16% in just 6 weeks. [However, intraday, the loss between the 2/13 high of 918.17 and the 3/27 intraday low of 729.95 was actually 20%.] For many traders the collapse in silver was the final straw for a stock market already under siege from worries as diverse as the Iranian hostage crisis, the Russian invasion of Afghanistan and soaring interest rates. [The consumer price index climbed at a 13% rate for 1979. The prime lending rate hit 22% in early 1980]. But by the year's end, the whole decline was almost forgotten. The Dow ended the year at 963.99, thanks in large part to the euphoria over the election of Ronald Reagan. To LucysIDIOTmom, gobsheit, go56, skippy, bif and dummy-DwarF: You would rather die than think. I guess all those 800 dollar an ounce Kruggerrands and Maple leafs sold by the hundreds of thousands in the early eighties were just a coincidence since the price of gold never correlates to the price of silver in your world. You are sure stupid for being a capitalist, since you seem so totally unaware of 'cause and effect'. Why do you think the US Mint started selling gold coins, dummy?
A completely irrelevant response. The Hunt brothers were pretty-much done by the end of 1980. When caught in another lie, you run straight to the Rules of Disinformation: #9. Play Dumb. No matter what evidence or logical argument is offered, avoid discussing issues with denial they have any credibility, make any sense, provide any proof, contain or make a point, have logic, or support a conclusion. Mix well for maximum effect. #13. Alice in Wonderland Logic. Avoid discussion of the issues by reasoning backwards with an apparent deductive logic in a way that forbears any actual material fact. 20. False evidence. Whenever possible, introduce new facts or clues designed and manufactured to conflict with opponent presentations as useful tools to neutralize sensitive issues or impede resolution. This works best when the crime was designed with contingencies for the purpose, and the facts cannot be easily separated from the fabrications. You're an expert on the "play dumb" strategies, though it's starting to look like you don't "play" at it... Thanks for entertaining me. Your wild attempts to cover your stupidity, once again, have failed. *PING*, Sneaky... I thought you might enjoy seeing the bimbo put in her place- again.
“If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.” The State can no longer hide the consequences of their 100-year lie. VERY interesting times are ahead.
You say that like it's a good thing. Your words are that of an angry, and now we can add intolerant, man. The source of your trouble with American women is not the women, but your lack of emotional intelligence.
Von Mises associates any Government involvement in markets as "Socialism" , to mislead people into thinking Government is the enemy , when infact empire is the enemy and empire is Privatized.
It is. It keeps me focused on what matters. People who are ignorant, but willing to learn, I'll teach. Those that refuse to learn are a waste of time. From The Great Lie of Partisan Tolerance tol·er·ance 1. The capacity for or the practice of recognizing and respecting the beliefs or practices of others. That’s what tolerance used to mean, before Orwellian progressives performed their cunning linguistic tricks on it. Now the class-obsessed left has divided tolerance into two classes: partisan (good) and repressive (bad). The dirty secret is that both their meanings are identical and neither one is real tolerance. It all started with Herbert Marcuse, the Marxist theoretician, who decried “repressive tolerance” that doesn’t take sides (or maybe it takes the side of tradition. This is confused in the essay.) and advocated its replacement with “partisan tolerance” that takes sides against the status quo, which means taking sides against anyone who isn’t a partisan “victim,” or even better an actual outlaw. In other words, you "progressives" (i.e., socialists) paint "tolerance" as a good thing, and tradition as "bad." The full explanation is at the link. Bottom line, to be described by you and your ilk as "intolerant," is a compliment. Hmmm... A paradoxical statement... the "lack of emotional intelligence" that you describe, is something I did suffer from in the past. But I smartened up a LOT, after divorcing my ex-wife. Gaining the "emotional intelligence" you speak of, is what finally made me comprehend that American women- generally speaking- are stupid and greedy. That intelligence and the accompanying wisdom, is what made me realize, "I could do better." And I did.
“If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.” The State can no longer hide the consequences of their 100-year lie. VERY interesting times are ahead.
I think you're on to something. Definitely autistic leanings.
------------------------------------- So you say. On the internet.
------------------------------------- Why didn't you ping me here? It really is okay that you have a mail-order bride and two children. I'm very happy for you.
She's not playing.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
Gold reached over 870 in 1980, Asperger boy.
What you call "smartened up" sounds a lot like bitterness. 1. The capacity for or the practice of recognizing and respecting the beliefs or practices of others. Yep, that's what tolerance means and you ain't got it.
Von Mises associates any Government involvement in markets as "Socialism" , to mislead people into thinking Government is the enemy , when infact empire is the enemy and empire is Privatized.
His bitter, angry attitude is to distract from the fact that he's an empty suit.
Because you're an ignorant asshole. Any other stupid questions?
“If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.” The State can no longer hide the consequences of their 100-year lie. VERY interesting times are ahead.
I know.
“If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.” The State can no longer hide the consequences of their 100-year lie. VERY interesting times are ahead.
Irrelevant. But thanks for the laugh. :)
“If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.” The State can no longer hide the consequences of their 100-year lie. VERY interesting times are ahead.
That's one of the stages a person goes through, when they realize that what they were taught was a lie. You are still living in fantasyland, so you have no idea what I'm referring to. I don't have to tolerate fools. I don't have to respect the beliefs of others, when those beliefs are demonstrably false. Where the beliefs of another cannot be confirmed or debunked, it's becomes a question of "faith," which I have no opinion of, one way or the other. And that is why you never see me trolling the threads on religion. There's another word that used to have great significance, before you liberal idiots tried to twist it around: "discriminate." The leftist Orwellian approach now makes definition #1 the only acceptable definition. What rot. I have discriminating tastes- in women, in who I choose to call friend, in who I allow to be in my life, or allow to affect my life. Oh, I know, now you're gonna' say I'm a racist, or some such nonsense... logic is certainly not a great strength for you. You liberal idiots think that I have to "tolerate" every bullshit idea that you come up with. You think I have to show "tolerance" for every dirtbag, know- nothing moron who has an opinion based on nothing. You think that the very idea of having standards is "intolerant." If I didn't have standards, if I wasn't able to discriminate between right and wrong, good and bad, acceptable and UNacceptable, I'd fall for every bullshit idea and be another gullibe dupe... which, of course, is exactly what you leftist morons are... You want me to be willfully stupid, just like you. NEVER happen.
“If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.” The State can no longer hide the consequences of their 100-year lie. VERY interesting times are ahead.
But thanks for the laugh. :) Irrelevant to an Aspergers but actually right on target. Keep up the cut and paste, it's better than having to think for yourself.
"Frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn"
Von Mises associates any Government involvement in markets as "Socialism" , to mislead people into thinking Government is the enemy , when infact empire is the enemy and empire is Privatized.
Then why show up here? NONE but your fellow idiots buy into the bullshit you post. NONE with any modicum of common sense take you seriously. Unlike you, I do care, I DO take it personally. From the article I posted, titled "xxx," When someone tries to steal from you, hurt you, or enslave you, unless you are some kind of nut, you take it pretty personally, right? Why should it be any different when a government commits the same grievances? Americans should be furious over the destruction of their economy, their currency, their infrastructure, and their Constitutional freedoms! They should be enraged over the endless wars overseas that are bankrupting the nation. They should be bellowing to the rooftops over the cooption of their political system by a slimy brood of corporate bankers. Is this “extremist” behavior? Who cares!? If your anger is not visible then it is not worth a damn. Don’t just get active, get emotional! This is about your life, and the lives of those you love. That’s not to say that we should take out our frustrations randomly and haphazardly, but if we can’t at least make known our anger over the misdeeds of government, then what the hell is the point of calling ourselves free? YOU, lucysIDIOTmom, are a parasite. You don't give a shit about anything beyond sucking the life from other people, and being a tool of those that use you for their own political gain. You're beneath contempt, and you reconfirm that with every worthless, empty post you make. You don't give a damn? GOOD. LEAVE, you silly bimbo.
“If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.” The State can no longer hide the consequences of their 100-year lie. VERY interesting times are ahead.
This, from a dopey bitch who'd rather die than think....
“If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.” The State can no longer hide the consequences of their 100-year lie. VERY interesting times are ahead.
I love it when you feel compelled to express your symptomology. I doubt you would be considered high functioning. Someone's got to guide you every step of the way.
NONE but your fellow idiots buy into the bullshit you post. NONE with any modicum of common sense take you seriously. I come here for discussion and debate, not for your approval, commissar. YOU, lucysIDIOTmom, are a parasite. You don't give a shit about anything beyond sucking the life from other people, and being a tool of those that use you for their own political gain. You're beneath contempt, and you reconfirm that with every worthless, empty post you make. You don't give a damn? GOOD. LEAVE, you silly bimbo. Like all petty dictators, you find dissent really intorerable, don't you?
Von Mises associates any Government involvement in markets as "Socialism" , to mislead people into thinking Government is the enemy , when infact empire is the enemy and empire is Privatized.
Anyone who disagrees with Erica is an idiot, sheep, bimbo, etc. ad nauseam. I wonder how he handles marital disagreements.
Liar. "Discussion and debate" requires intellectual honesty. It requires the use of plain terms. When the meaning of words are plain, but not complimentary to your wishful-thinking, you attempt to redefine them in such a way as to make them seem to match your view. And THAT is what makes you contemptible.
“If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.” The State can no longer hide the consequences of their 100-year lie. VERY interesting times are ahead.
Not true. In your case, the words "ignorant asshole" are the most appropriate. Nothing I tell you will be enough for you to redeem your failed marriage...
“If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.” The State can no longer hide the consequences of their 100-year lie. VERY interesting times are ahead.
"Discussion and debate" requires intellectual honesty. It requires the use of plain terms. How do you define "plain terms"?
Von Mises associates any Government involvement in markets as "Socialism" , to mislead people into thinking Government is the enemy , when infact empire is the enemy and empire is Privatized.
Thanks for proving my point. I'd suggest you read The Ethics of Rhetoric by Richard Weaver. He shared something in common with you... He was a socialist. But later in life, he started to think for himself, and is considered one of the great thinkers of the 20th Century.
“If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.” The State can no longer hide the consequences of their 100-year lie. VERY interesting times are ahead.
Thanks for proving my point. I'd suggest you read The Ethics of Rhetoric by Richard Weaver. In other words, you use the term but have no idea how to define it.
Von Mises associates any Government involvement in markets as "Socialism" , to mislead people into thinking Government is the enemy , when infact empire is the enemy and empire is Privatized.
Nice try. If you can't understand what "plain terms" means, then your relativistic mind (what little there is) cannot have meaningful conversations. You demonstrate this daily. It's why you keep switching back and forth to the whining-old screen-name. You're as much of a loon as banjo-boy Boris. But unlike you, banjo-boy does post elegant observations, from time to time. You can't even manage that.
“If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.” The State can no longer hide the consequences of their 100-year lie. VERY interesting times are ahead.
I don't know what "plain terms" means to you and Weaver. If your posts are an example, then plain terms must include lots of name calling. Now, I'm perfectly capable of telling people they're various flavors of "stupid", however I never saw much value in that. I've never noticed that telling an idiot he's an idiot made him one bit smarter, and it doesn't do one darn thing to enhance my life - so I gave it up. ...then your relativistic mind (what little there is) cannot have meaningful conversations. Until we define our terms, we can not have meaningful conversation - just a fact, Jack. You demonstrate this daily. It's why you keep switching back and forth to the whining-old screen-name. Really? And if mininggold and I are two distinct and separate human beings, what does that make you?
Von Mises associates any Government involvement in markets as "Socialism" , to mislead people into thinking Government is the enemy , when infact empire is the enemy and empire is Privatized.
It sounds like little Eric is trying to channel Mad Dog. Throw in a few c words, add in a bucket full of spittle, and he'll have it
I should have gone the mail-order bride route.
Eric cannot define those terms because he is unable to express himself in any other way than the way we see here, without cutting and pasting a script written by someone else or copied from other's posts.
He does seem to have mastered vile though.
Von Mises associates any Government involvement in markets as "Socialism" , to mislead people into thinking Government is the enemy , when infact empire is the enemy and empire is Privatized.
#2. To: Godwinson (#1)
If paper money is worthless why do gold dealers accept it?
"You "say" the most iodtic things..." --our local dummy DwarF
#3. To: Capitalist Eric (#0)
"Everything that can be invented has been invented."-- Charles Duell, Commissioner of US Patent Office, 1899
#4. To: Capitalist Eric (#0)
DelValley is also a silver dealer, but they sell privately minted rounds, which can be harder to liquidate than well-known coins like the American Gold Eagle and Canadian Maple Leaf.
#5. To: Godwinson (#1)
If paper money is worthless why do gold dealers accept it?
"Everything that can be invented has been invented."-- Charles Duell, Commissioner of US Patent Office, 1899
#6. To: jwpegler (#5)
They are required by law to accept the U.S. dollar as legal tender in the United States.
#7. To: Skip Intro (#6)
(Edited)
Then why don't they price their gold well above the spot price as a risk premium?
"Everything that can be invented has been invented."-- Charles Duell, Commissioner of US Patent Office, 1899
#8. To: Skip Intro (#4)
(Edited)
Do he mean that privately minted coins are harder to liquidate than evil government ones?
"Everything that can be invented has been invented."-- Charles Duell, Commissioner of US Patent Office, 1899
#9. To: Skip Intro, jwpegler (#6)
#10. To: jwpegler (#8)
During the evil Apartheid regime, The South African Krugerrand was the most sought after gold coin in the world.
#11. To: Godwinson (#9)
Why would they sell their gold at all for worthless paper money?
#12. To: Skip Intro, Jwpegler (#10)
recall back then that Krugerrands could always be bought at a smaller premium than Gold Eagles or Maple Leafs. Perhaps that was the reason they were popular.
#13. To: Skip Intro (#11)
#14. To: Godwinson (#13)
I loved those commercials on crazy right wing radio and TV spots where they scare the old white wussies listening into thinking the world is about to end so they should buy gold - in exchange for soon to be worthless dollars.
#15. To: Godwinson (#13)
I loved those commercials on crazy right wing radio and TV spots where they scare the old white wussies listening into thinking the world is about to end so they should buy gold - in exchange for soon to be worthless dollars. I find that con game so funny.
"You "say" the most iodtic things..." --our local dummy DwarF
#16. To: Skip Intro (#10)
I recall back then that Krugerrands could always be bought at a smaller premium than Gold Eagles or Maple Leafs.
"Everything that can be invented has been invented."-- Charles Duell, Commissioner of US Patent Office, 1899
#17. To: Skip Intro (#4)
Do he mean that privately minted coins are harder to liquidate than evil government ones?
"You "say" the most iodtic things..." --our local dummy DwarF
#18. To: jwpegler (#16)
(Edited)
During the Carter inflation, Krugerrand's commanded a premium price.
#19. To: jwpegler (#16)
Gold Eagles weren't minted until 1986.
#20. To: Capitalist Eric (#17)
When I was in Russia two months ago, I gave my father-in-law a silver round...
#21. To: Godwinson (#13)
they scare the old white wussies listening into thinking the world is about to end so they should buy gold - in exchange for soon to be worthless dollars.
#22. To: A K A Stone (#21)
If the dollars are soon to be worthless. Wouldn't it be smart to have gold instead?
#23. To: Godwinson (#22)
So why would the gold dealer sell his gold for dollars then?
#24. To: A K A Stone (#23)
One thing they could use the money for is to buy land. Many more options.
#25. To: Godwinson (#24)
All the gold dealing I see seems to rip people off on the value of gold.
#26. To: A K A Stone (#25)
Take everyone that bought gold for the last 50 years.
#27. To: Thunderbird (#26)
#28. To: Thunderbird (#26)
What else could you have bought and held for fifty years and how does that investment compare with gold?
#29. To: A K A Stone (#27)
100 percent of the people in the last 5000 years that bought gold and held it made a profit if they sold it this year. 100 percent success rate.
#30. To: Skip Intro (#29)
#31. To: A K A Stone (#28)
(Edited)
Like say you were one of the peons who had their gold stolen by FDR.
#32. To: Fred Mertz (#20)
And because you have made this choice, you shall pay the price for being a mindless member of the herd....
They will shear you, until you have nothing left for them to take.
And then they will take your life.
Such is the way of tyrannical governments, like the one you welcome with open arms.
You celebrate your own enslavement, and happily scratch and beg, for each crumb they throw you...
#33. To: Capitalist Eric (#32)
#34. To: Fred Mertz (#33)
(Edited)
Thanks for the clarification.
#35. To: mininggold (#34)
(Edited)
#36. To: mininggold, Fred Mertz (#34)
He's BSing as usual.
There are tours abroad exploiting legal loopholes where the participants pick the girl of their dreams out of a lineup, then a scenario is created where they appear to meet randomly and spend a few hours getting acquainted, so the perps can legally declare the expressed purpose of their trip abroad wasn't for finding a bride.
And because you have made this choice, you shall pay the price for being a mindless member of the herd....
They will shear you, until you have nothing left for them to take.
And then they will take your life.
Such is the way of tyrannical governments, like the one you welcome with open arms.
You celebrate your own enslavement, and happily scratch and beg, for each crumb they throw you...
#37. To: Capitalist Eric, sneakypete (#36)
(Edited)
#38. To: Fred Mertz, sneakypete (#37)
And because you have made this choice, you shall pay the price for being a mindless member of the herd....
They will shear you, until you have nothing left for them to take.
And then they will take your life.
Such is the way of tyrannical governments, like the one you welcome with open arms.
You celebrate your own enslavement, and happily scratch and beg, for each crumb they throw you...
#39. To: Capitalist Eric (#36)
Your statements- for the most part- are. mischaracterizations.
#40. To: mininggold (#39)
You said there was no such thing as mail order brides and I begged to defer.
And because you have made this choice, you shall pay the price for being a mindless member of the herd....
They will shear you, until you have nothing left for them to take.
And then they will take your life.
Such is the way of tyrannical governments, like the one you welcome with open arms.
You celebrate your own enslavement, and happily scratch and beg, for each crumb they throw you...
#41. To: Capitalist Eric (#40)
(Edited)
You don't speak from a basis of experience and knowledge, while I do.
#42. To: mininggold (#41)
#43. To: mininggold (#39)
(Edited)
"Everything that can be invented has been invented."-- Charles Duell, Commissioner of US Patent Office, 1899
#44. To: jwpegler (#43)
Again, you reactionaries are living in the past.
#45. To: jwpegler (#43)
Mail order brides existed in the 19th century when America was opening the west.
#46. To: Fred Mertz (#42)
Bonanza had a good mail order bride episode on that I've seen. Rather than a foreign woman it was an American woman from the east. I think it was Tom Boseley/Mr. C who was the nervous husband-to-be.
#47. To: Fred Mertz (#45)
They are still around. The term still applies even if the means of communication have changed.
#48. To: mininggold (#46)
#49. To: Fred Mertz (#45)
"Everything that can be invented has been invented."-- Charles Duell, Commissioner of US Patent Office, 1899
#50. To: jwpegler (#49)
No they are not. You can't show us one.
#51. To: mininggold (#50)
There are oodles of sites on the internet proudly proclaiming to offer "mail order brides".
Single Brides marriage agency provides mail order brides. Have you met a Ukrainian or Russian brides already? "
#52. To: Fred Mertz (#48)
(Edited)
"Everything that can be invented has been invented."-- Charles Duell, Commissioner of US Patent Office, 1899
#53. To: jwpegler (#49)
#54. To: Fred Mertz (#53)
"Everything that can be invented has been invented."-- Charles Duell, Commissioner of US Patent Office, 1899
#55. To: Skip Intro, jwpegler (#51)
#56. To: jwpegler (#52)
(Edited)
You cannot just fly someone in one Sunday.
#57. To: Fred Mertz (#53)
Okay, you've never hear of the colloquial one horse town - carry on.
#58. To: jwpegler (#52)
I don't believe you.
#59. To: mininggold (#55)
(Edited)
#60. To: jwpegler (#52)
A fiance visa takes over a year.
#61. To: Skip Intro (#60)
"Everything that can be invented has been invented."-- Charles Duell, Commissioner of US Patent Office, 1899
#62. To: Capitalist Eric (#0)
Historically, paying for items in silver or gold was actually quite common.
#63. To: jwpegler (#3)
My view is that the collapse of the dollar will result in a system of competing digital currencies, delivered through your cell phone, and backed by gold or some other commodity.
#64. To: Skip Intro (#4)
Do he mean that privately minted coins are harder to liquidate than evil government ones?
#65. To: sneakypete (#62)
Historically, paying for items in silver or gold was actually quite common.
#66. To: Godwinson (#13)
I find that con game so funny. It's like the right wing kooks selling their old cow for beans thinking they will turn into magic beans.
#67. To: mininggold (#18)
The gold run was part of the Hunt brother's fiasco
#68. To: A K A Stone, Godwinson (#23)
Did you by chance have a major head injury in your past? Maybe an auto accident or falling from a tall building on your head?
#69. To: Capitalist Eric (#36)
Oh, and there's one other aspect of the so-called "mail-order bride" propaganda... that somehow they're more docile or whatever.
#70. To: Capitalist Eric (#38)
I'm sure sneaky would be confirm... generally speaking, girls in Russia are much smarter and tougher, than American men are used to...
#71. To: mininggold (#39)
You said there was no such thing as mail order brides
#72. To: mininggold (#41)
I doubt you have the vast experience you claim in all the countries from which mail order brides can be obtained.
#73. To: Fred Mertz (#45)
They are still around. The term still applies even if the means of communication have changed.
#74. To: Fred Mertz (#48)
A guy I know about two miles down the road did something similar. He claims to have had a long term e-mail relationship with this woman from the Philippines, 20 years younger than him.
#75. To: mininggold (#50)
There are oodles of sites on the internet proudly proclaiming to offer "mail order brides".
#76. To: mininggold (#58)
Are you saying all those third world women in airports coming here on vacation don't actually exist?
#77. To: sneakypete (#76)
IIRC,they have to have sponsor here (family member,etc) that will sign off on being responsible for them
#78. To: Rudgear (#65)
Historically, paying for items in silver or gold was actually quite common.
#79. To: no gnu taxes (#77)
(Edited)
IIRC,they have to have sponsor here (family member,etc) that will sign off on being responsible for them
#80. To: sneakypete (#66)
There is a reason you are a Dim,boy.
"Go away kid, ya bother me."
-— W.C. Fields --
And because you have made this choice, you shall pay the price for being a mindless member of the herd....
They will shear you, until you have nothing left for them to take.
And then they will take your life.
Such is the way of tyrannical governments, like the one you welcome with open arms.
You celebrate your own enslavement, and happily scratch and beg, for each crumb they throw you...
#81. To: Fred Mertz, jwpegler (#56)
That is what I saw my from vantage point. He likely worked out the details and money in advance, like you suggest. You seem to have a great deal of knowledge about it. Did you marry one?
And because you have made this choice, you shall pay the price for being a mindless member of the herd....
They will shear you, until you have nothing left for them to take.
And then they will take your life.
Such is the way of tyrannical governments, like the one you welcome with open arms.
You celebrate your own enslavement, and happily scratch and beg, for each crumb they throw you...
#82. To: jwpegler (#61)
That's the difference between googling something and having actual experience.
#83. To: mininggold (#41)
(Edited)
I doubt you have the vast experience you claim in all the countries from which mail order brides can be obtained.
I differed and I gave my rationale...
... as usual you offer nothing but your arrogant edict and patented childish name calling.
No wonder you had to find someone in desperate enough circumstances in life, to put up with your BS.
And because you have made this choice, you shall pay the price for being a mindless member of the herd....
They will shear you, until you have nothing left for them to take.
And then they will take your life.
Such is the way of tyrannical governments, like the one you welcome with open arms.
You celebrate your own enslavement, and happily scratch and beg, for each crumb they throw you...
#84. To: Capitalist Eric, mininggold (#83)
Americans have no sense of family- not like the rest of the world.
#85. To: sneakypete (#67)
That was silver,not gold.
#86. To: sneakypete (#76)
Yes,they exist,but it is a LOT more complicated than you buying a ticket and getting on a plane to fly to Rome,for instance. IIRC,they have to have sponsor here (family member,etc) that will sign off on being responsible for them financially while they are here,and a bunch of other stuff,too.
#87. To: sneakypete (#73)
Ever hear of a one horse town?
#88. To: sneakypete (#75)
There are also oodles of sites on the internet offering you millions of dollars in commissions if you will help them smuggle cash out of their country.
#89. To: Fred Mertz (#87)
(Edited)
s a phrase, not a technical thing. Capitalist Eric can likely explain it to you.
#90. To: mininggold (#89)
#91. To: Fred Mertz (#90)
You left out jwpegler.
#92. To: mininggold (#89)
You sound like a thoughtful owner and she was lucky to have you.
#93. To: Capitalist Eric (#81)
Sad. Better to admit you don't know, and have done with it.
#94. To: mininggold (#85)
Look it up doofus.
#95. To: mininggold (#88)
If you ever bother to read a thread before you put your foot in your mouth you will find where the pegleg stated that there is no such thing as a mail order bride in this day and age. Too bad the rest of the world was not let in on his little secret.
#96. To: sneakypete (#64)
Yes. Who would YOU trust to guarantee the purity,a established government,or Saul the pawnbroker?
#97. To: Capitalist Eric (#83)
#98. To: Capitalist Eric (#83)
(Edited)
I recommend to all my friends, to look for a woman outside the Western hemisphere.
#99. To: lucysmom (#96)
Yes. Who would YOU trust to guarantee the purity,a established government,or Saul the pawnbroker?
#100. To: Skip Intro (#82)
OK, I'll bow to your actual experience.
"Everything that can be invented has been invented."-- Charles Duell, Commissioner of US Patent Office, 1899
#101. To: sneakypete (#94)
(Edited)
I don't have to look it up,dummy. I have friends who are still crying about it.
#102. To: jwpegler, Skip Intro (#100)
It would be beneficial to you, if you did that more often.
#103. To: sneakypete (#99)
BTW,I have been to several scrap dealers to sell scrap. I sold about 60 lbs of aluminum to one two days ago. I have never seen one that buys gold or silver.
#104. To: mininggold (#102)
Anecdotal evidence hardly proves the norm.
#105. To: Skip Intro (#104)
(Edited)
I assumed from his claimed personal knowledge of the subject that he ordered his wife this way.
#106. To: mininggold, sneakypete, jwpegler, lucysmom, mininggold (#89)
mininggold: But between SP and Erica they'll used up the rest of the bandwidth posting their superior wisdom and still say nothing.
Fred Mertz to JWPegler: That is what I saw my from vantage point. He likely worked out the details and money in advance, like you suggest. You seem to have a great deal of knowledge about it. Did you marry one?
LucysIDIOTmom: You really are a very angry man.
Capitalist Eric: I recommend to all my friends, to look for a woman outside the Western hemisphere.
mininggold: The gold run was part of the Hunt brother's fiasco
sneakypete: That was silver,not gold.
minggold: Look it up doofus.Fred Mertz: ...mail order brides are still out there today, usually from foreign countries. It's a phrase, not a technical thing.
And because you have made this choice, you shall pay the price for being a mindless member of the herd....
They will shear you, until you have nothing left for them to take.
And then they will take your life.
Such is the way of tyrannical governments, like the one you welcome with open arms.
You celebrate your own enslavement, and happily scratch and beg, for each crumb they throw you...
#107. To: Capitalist Eric (#106)
Blah blah blah
#108. To: mininggold (#107)
Blah blah blah I'm not wading through your Asperger's type presentation,
look up Hunt brothers and gold for a start.
The Hunt Brothers and the Silver Bubble
Brian Trumbore
President/Editor, StocksandNews.com
And because you have made this choice, you shall pay the price for being a mindless member of the herd....
They will shear you, until you have nothing left for them to take.
And then they will take your life.
Such is the way of tyrannical governments, like the one you welcome with open arms.
You celebrate your own enslavement, and happily scratch and beg, for each crumb they throw you...
#109. To: Capitalist Eric (#108)
(Edited)
Oh, like HERE?
#110. To: mininggold, sneakypete (#109)
(Edited)
I guess all those 800 dollar an ounce Kruggerrands and Maple leafs sold by the hundreds of thousands in the early eighties were just a coincidence...
#4. Use a straw man. Find or create a seeming element of your opponent’s argument which you can easily knock down to make yourself look good and the opponent to look bad. Either make up an issue you may safely imply exists based on your interpretation of the opponent/opponent arguments/situation, or select the weakest aspect of the weakest charges. Amplify their significance and destroy them in a way which appears to debunk all the charges, real and fabricated alike, while actually avoiding discussion of the real issues.
-- Joseph Goebbels --
#111. To: Capitalist Eric (#106)
And I'm not angry. As my mother has stated, I've "no tolerance of fools."
#112. To: lucysmom (#111)
You say that like it's a good thing.
Your words are that of an angry, and now we can add intolerant, man.
The Free Dictionary defines ‘tolerance‘ as follows.
The source of your trouble with American women is not the women, but your lack of emotional intelligence.
-- Joseph Goebbels --
#113. To: mininggold (#107)
I'm not wading through your Asperger's type presentation ...
Why don't you make like a tree and get out of here?
#114. To: Capitalist Eric (#112)
And I did.
Why don't you make like a tree and get out of here?
#115. To: Capitalist Eric (#106)
The term was a sound-bite description, which told nothing of the truth, but was easily accepted by the stupid and ignorant public.
#116. To: Capitalist Eric, mininggold (#110)
#9. Play Dumb...
#117. To: Capitalist Eric (#110)
A completely irrelevant response. The Hunt brothers were pretty-much done by the end of 1980.
#118. To: Capitalist Eric (#112)
Hmmm... A paradoxical statement... the "lack of emotional intelligence" that you describe, is something I did suffer from in the past. But I smartened up a LOT, after divorcing my ex-wife.
#119. To: lucysmom (#118)
(Edited)
What you call "smartened up" sounds a lot like bitterness.
#120. To: Fred Mertz (#115)
(Edited)
Why didn't you ping me here?
-- Joseph Goebbels --
#121. To: sneakypete (#116)
-- Joseph Goebbels --
#122. To: mininggold (#117)
Gold reached over 870 in 1980,
-- Joseph Goebbels --
#123. To: lucysmom, sneakypete, jwpegler (#118)
What you call "smartened up" sounds a lot like bitterness.
that's what tolerance means and you ain't got it.
dis·crim·i·nate34; 34;/v. djÈskrjmYÌnejt; adj. djÈskrjmYnjt/ Show Spelled
[v. dih-skrim-uh-neyt; adj. dih-skrim-uh-nit] Show IPA
verb, -nat·ed, -nat·ing, adjective –verb (used without object)
1. to make a distinction in favor of or against a person or thing on the basis of the group, class, or category to which the person or thing belongs rather than according to actual merit; show partiality: The new law discriminates against foreigners. He discriminates in favor of his relatives.
2. to note or observe a difference; distinguish accurately: to discriminate between things.
–verb (used with object)
3. to make or constitute a distinction in or between; differentiate: a mark that discriminates the original from the copy.
4. to note or distinguish as different: He can discriminate minute variations in tone.
-- Joseph Goebbels --
#124. To: Capitalist Eric (#122)
(Edited)
Irrelevant.
#125. To: Capitalist Eric (#123)
You liberal idiots think that I have to "tolerate" every bullshit idea that you come up with.
#126. To: lucysmom (#125)
(Edited)
Rule #9: Take It Personally
-- Joseph Goebbels --
#127. To: mininggold (#124)
Keep up the cut and paste, it's better than having to think for yourself.
-- Joseph Goebbels --
#128. To: Capitalist Eric (#127)
(Edited)
This, from a dopey bitch who'd rather die than think....
#129. To: Capitalist Eric (#126)
Then why show up here?
#130. To: lucysmom (#129)
Like all petty dictators, you find dissent really intolerable, don't you?
#131. To: lucysmom (#129)
I come here for discussion and debate,
-- Joseph Goebbels --
#132. To: Fred Mertz (#130)
Anyone who disagrees with Erica is an idiot, sheep, bimbo, etc. ad nauseam.
I wonder how he handles marital disagreements.
-- Joseph Goebbels --
#133. To: Capitalist Eric (#131)
Liar.
#134. To: lucysmom (#133)
How do you define "plain terms"?
-- Joseph Goebbels --
#135. To: Capitalist Eric (#134)
How do you define "plain terms"?
#136. To: lucysmom (#135)
In other words, you use the term but have no idea how to define it.
-- Joseph Goebbels --
#137. To: Capitalist Eric, A K A Stone, mininggold (#136)
If you can't understand what "plain terms" means...
#138. To: lucysmom (#129)
You're beneath contempt, and you reconfirm that with every worthless, empty post you make.
#139. To: Capitalist Eric (#132)
#140. To: lucysmom, Capitalist Eric (#137)
(Edited)
Until we define our terms, we can not have meaningful conversation - just a fact, Jack.
#141. To: mininggold (#140)
Eric cannot define those terms because he is unable to express himself in any other way than the way we see here, without cutting and pasting a script written by someone else.
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