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Title: Rise of the Barter Economy and Gold and Silver Currency
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URL Source: http://www.marketoracle.co.uk/Article29066.html
Published: Jul 5, 2011
Author: Peter_Schiff
Post Date: 2011-07-05 14:37:04 by Capitalist Eric
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Views: 72716
Comments: 141

Imagine a day when you go to buy a quart of milk, ask the price, and the cashier says, "that'll be a tenth ounce silver." As the US dollar's decline accelerates, several efforts around the country are trying to make this vision a reality.

Historically, paying for items in silver or gold was actually quite common. We happen to live in an unusual time and place where generations have grown up trading exclusively in paper. While my parents still used dimes made of silver, we have now gone several decades with no precious metals in any of our official coinage. But this system of money by government fiat is unsustainable.

While the practice of bartering precious metals directly for goods and services has continued on a small-scale over the last few decades, the 2000s saw the beginning of organized efforts to revive gold and silver as money.

THE LIBERTY DOLLAR One such effort was spearheaded by an eccentric mintmaster from Hawaii named Bernard Von Nothaus. He called his project the Liberty Dollar, and it centered on privately minted gold and silver rounds as well as deposit certificates for precious metals held in his firm's vaults.

I had many reservations about how the project was implemented - coins were minted with a fixed US dollar amount at which they were supposed to circulate, the dollar amount was well above the spot price of the metal, and authorized "distributors" were allowed to pocket the difference (which often resulted in buyers paying far higher prices for their gold than what they would have paid had they simply bought, say, Canadian Maple Leafs instead) - but I believe Nothaus' idea was a good one, even if the product was over-priced. Tellingly, despite the obvious flaws, public participation grew steadily from 1998 until 2007, when federal agents raided the Liberty Dollar's offices on trumped-up charges of counterfeiting.

Really, they were charging him with competing with the US dollar's monopoly privileges by offering a better product. It's important to note that the case against Nothaus was built around his coins looking similar to official US coinage (though no one actually mistook Liberty Dollars for US currency), and not around encouraging people to use precious metals as circulating money.

DIGITAL GOLD Next came a crop of internet-based currencies backed by gold and silver. Most prominent among them are eGold and GoldMoney. Both were designed to allow customers to open online accounts that were valued in, and backed by, gold and silver bullion.

eGold was perhaps the better known of the two until it, too, was shut down by the US government on charges of money laundering. eGold was positioned more as an online payment system than a means of holding bullion. Due to the anonymous nature of the transactions - it was akin to spending cash - the authorities alleged that it was being used by criminal enterprises to funnel illegal funds. But mostly it was being used by regular people to begin saving and trading in money that holds its value. eGold had a transparent system of annual audits and live transaction screening by any user to keep the system honest. It, too, was growing robustly, and was putting up strong competition against PayPal until the authorities intervened.

GoldMoney, founded by my friend James Turk, has remained in operation by keeping its principal operations overseas and by cooperating fully with onerous US financial regulations. It offers similar services to eGold, but with an emphasis on long-term storage. GoldMoney improves upon traditional storage by locating offshore, offering real-time online account access, and providing extra liquidity. These services do come at a cost, however. Still, over the course of the last decade, GoldMoney has swelled to over $2 billion in assets. Clearly, many people want to trade gold and silver over US dollars.

Digital gold is a niche service, but I think the public's rapid embrace of these projects - none older than ten years - shows that investors are viewing gold and silver as more than mere commodities, but once again seeing them as money. This could signal a paradigm shift back to tradition, which is good news for any precious metals holder.

STRAIGHT UP BARTER While digital currencies are neat, in practical terms, nothing beats the resilience of traditional barter of bullion for goods and services. If you actually own the physical gold and silver that you intend to save or trade, then you can be sure it will be there until you're ready to sell. You don't have to trust anyone except yourself.

In that vein, several efforts have popped up around the country to simply get people trading gold and silver rather than dollars. Since the transactions involved are usually small, such as buying lunch at a local diner, silver is typically the metal of choice.

There are several hotspots for this sort of activity.

Philadelphia has one group, DelValley Silver, that has fostered a local barter market there by encouraging merchants to accept silver coins in addition to dollars. DelValley is also a silver dealer, but they sell privately minted rounds, which can be harder to liquidate than well-known coins like the American Gold Eagle and Canadian Maple Leaf.

Meanwhile, in New Hampshire, many merchants associated with the Free State Project have begun accepting gold and silver at their businesses. Innovation abounds here and the practice of encasing small amounts of silver in laminated cards seems to be the most successful.

Shire Silver encloses silver and gold wire in their cards and measures them in terms of grams. It's much easier to trade a flat, plastic card containing a gram of silver than to carry around a 1 oz coin. However, even their website will admit that the premium on such a small amount of silver makes it less than ideal for investment purposes. Of course, when you're ready to barter, they'll be happy to take your 1 oz rounds in return for some Shire Silver. And that Shire Silver is being accepted by more and more merchants across New Hampshire and beyond.

Another variation, from a group based in Phoenix, Arizona, encloses a pre-1965 US dime inside the laminated card. Before '65, every dime contained 90% silver, making them worth about $2.50 each in today's debased dollars. That's why you won't find any pre-'65 dimes in your change from the grocery store. However, one fellow had the clever idea of putting them in these cards so they could trade at their silver value without getting mixed in with the worthless dimes we carry around today. The same group even created a free iPhone app that translates US dollar prices into various amounts of silver (more info here).

While I'll still be selling regular old bullion coins and bars at Euro Pacific Precious Metals, because these are the best way to invest in physical precious metals, I am energized by these efforts. The great thing about holding and bartering physical precious metals is that there is no central company running the operations, like with the digital gold currencies, and therefore there's no single person the government can go after.

(My new offshore bank, Euro Pacific Bank, Ltd., will soon be offering Visa-branded debit cards back by individual holdings of gold or silver. Euro Pacific Bank customers will be able to purchase gold from the bank, have it stored, and then access their holdings directly using their Visa cards to either make purchases though merchants or withdraw cash from banks and ATMs. Unfortunately, due to the reasons described above, I cannot offer this service to US customers. For more information about my offshore brokerage and banking companies, please visit www.europacintl.com.)

THE WRITING IS ON THE WALL Besides these grassroots efforts at building barter communities, I'm seeing a cultural shift in favor of precious metals. Utah recently passed a law establishing gold and silver as legal tender and abolishing state capital gains taxes on their appreciation. I was interviewed for a new animated film called Silver Circle that features a rebel group in the near future which mints silver coins in defiance of an even more aggressive Federal Reserve. More and more people are starting to watch the gold price as often as they watch the Dow.

Overall, this bodes well for our investments and for our country. If gold and silver are successfully re-monetized, our children may know a rate of economic growth not seen since our great-grandparents were in their prime. And prices may never return to today's levels again.

Regards,
Peter Schiff

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#4. To: Capitalist Eric (#0)

DelValley is also a silver dealer, but they sell privately minted rounds, which can be harder to liquidate than well-known coins like the American Gold Eagle and Canadian Maple Leaf.

Do he mean that privately minted coins are harder to liquidate than evil government ones?

Skip Intro  posted on  2011-07-05   14:53:53 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: Skip Intro (#4)

Do he mean that privately minted coins are harder to liquidate than evil government ones?

Currently, the answer to that would be "yes."

Such coins carry not only bullion value, but numismatic value, and are widely regarded throughout the world as "good" coins, i.e., the standard by which other coin values are measured... it's a wierd thing, on coin values.

Interestingly, China has gotten into the act, counterfeiting silver Eagles. Because the price of "numismatic" coins (high collector value) are far in excess of the cost of minting, China is very busy fleecing the collectors of numismatics.

OTOH, because the price of silver rounds from various mints is relatively low, there's not enough profit margin in it for Chinese fakes to be profitable. So I buy silver rounds... I don't give a rats ass about "collector" value, I buy bullion for its intrinsic value.

I think no more of numismatics than I do of collecting stamps, or baseball cards.

When I was in Russia two months ago, I gave my father-in-law a silver round, from a well-respected mint here in the USA. A few days later, he gave me a 1923 Russian ruble... 18g of silver in it. The round I gave him was worth maybe $40, but the collector value made the ruble he gave me worth ~$130.

Go figure.

Capitalist Eric  posted on  2011-07-05   20:25:27 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: Capitalist Eric (#17)

When I was in Russia two months ago, I gave my father-in-law a silver round...

Is your wife one of those mail-order brides? A friend of mine went over there about 5 years ago and came very close to marrying one - she was a knockout.

Fred Mertz  posted on  2011-07-06   9:00:44 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: Fred Mertz (#20)

She's Russian.

There's no such thing as a "mail-order bride." That's a term the feminists made up, to twist reality.

Fact of the matter is, she had a very good position, was making excellent money, and had a higher net value (by far) than I. She did her best, to convince me to move to Russia.

After I finish my doctorate, we'll see.

Capitalist Eric  posted on  2011-07-06   11:43:43 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: Capitalist Eric (#32)

Thanks for the clarification.

Fred Mertz  posted on  2011-07-06   11:46:44 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: Fred Mertz (#33) (Edited)

Thanks for the clarification.

He's BSing as usual. There are tours abroad exploiting legal loopholes where the participants pick the girl of their dreams out of a lineup, then a scenario is created where they appear to meet randomly and spend a few hours getting acquainted, so the perps can legally declare the expressed purpose of their trip abroad wasn't for finding a bride.

But I guess technically he's correct, no brides legally are mailed to the US.

mininggold  posted on  2011-07-06   11:56:37 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: mininggold, Fred Mertz (#34)

He's BSing as usual.

For what purpose? I have no reason to lie, yet you leftists insist that I do.

There are tours abroad exploiting legal loopholes where the participants pick the girl of their dreams out of a lineup, then a scenario is created where they appear to meet randomly and spend a few hours getting acquainted, so the perps can legally declare the expressed purpose of their trip abroad wasn't for finding a bride.

There was a time when that was true... about 15 years ago. The negative publicity, plus a Russian girl who came to America and was murdered by her new American "husband" caused the government to get strict on immigration laws, especially with regard to K-1 or K-3 visas.

It is a very long and frustrating process. And one thing you'll never admit to- it's very expensive.

IF a guy chose to go on one of those "tours," where basically an agency would introduce him to young and eligible women, the probabilities of finding an "ultra-Natasha," i.e., a gold-digger, are pretty high. The tours basically are a way for agencies to separate fools from their money, while having young girls (who for the most part only want to leave the Hell-hole they're in) act interested.

In my case, when I take vacation, I prefer to go off the beaten path. I've never been to Hawaii, but I've been to Romania a bunch of times. Same with Ireland. My last major vacation, I decided to go to Russia...

I talk with people from all over the world, so I had a standing invitation to Russia... took my cameras, had an itinerary which started in Rostov-On-Don, then Moscow, then St.Petersberg. I had friends at each location, waiting for me to show up.

But I met this nice girl in Rostov... and never made it to Moscow.

We've been married just over five years, and have two daughters.

Oh, and there's one other aspect of the so-called "mail-order bride" propaganda... that somehow they're more docile or whatever. The fact is, my wife is incredibly tough, and savvy. Plus, she can stretch a penny until it's molecule-thin. I've learned a lot from her... and continue to do so.

Your statements- for the most part- are. mischaracterizations.

Capitalist Eric  posted on  2011-07-06   12:35:14 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: Capitalist Eric (#36)

Your statements- for the most part- are. mischaracterizations.

You said there was no such thing as mail order brides and I begged to defer. Not once did I accuse you of participating, yet you went right on the defensive.

mininggold  posted on  2011-07-06   12:44:40 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: mininggold (#39)

You said there was no such thing as mail order brides and I begged to defer.

You don't speak from a basis of experience and knowledge, while I do.

You make insinuations, based in ignorance.

I HAVE investigated such claims as you make, and found them to be gross misrepresentations.

You don't like to be called out as a liar? Then quit lying.

Capitalist Eric  posted on  2011-07-06   14:00:16 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: Capitalist Eric (#40) (Edited)

You don't speak from a basis of experience and knowledge, while I do.

You make insinuations, based in ignorance.

I HAVE investigated such claims as you make, and found them to be gross misrepresentations.

You don't like to be called out as a liar? Then quit lying.

I doubt you have the vast experience you claim in all the countries from which mail order brides can be obtained. I differed and I gave my rationale, and as usual you offer nothing but your arrogant edict and patented childish name calling. No wonder you had to find someone in desperate enough circumstances in life, to put up with your BS.

mininggold  posted on  2011-07-06   14:21:21 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: mininggold (#41)

Bonanza had a good mail order bride episode on that I've seen. Rather than a foreign woman it was an American woman from the east. I think it was Tom Boseley/Mr. C who was the nervous husband-to-be.

Fred Mertz  posted on  2011-07-06   14:29:33 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: Fred Mertz (#42)

Bonanza had a good mail order bride episode on that I've seen. Rather than a foreign woman it was an American woman from the east. I think it was Tom Boseley/Mr. C who was the nervous husband-to-be.

I worked with a guy who went on vacation to the Philippines and came back viola! married with a cute wife who soon became his worst nightmare. He stood by her though when she needed 24 hour care and her relatives who loved to visit before she got sick couldn't seem to find the time afterward.

mininggold  posted on  2011-07-06   14:56:22 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: mininggold (#46)

A guy I know about two miles down the road did something similar. He claims to have had a long term e-mail relationship with this woman from the Philippines, 20 years younger than him.

He had her flown in on a Sunday and had a civil ceremony at his home on Wednesday, with a minor reception at the local tavern. They are still together and that is good.

Everyone, except jwpegler, refer to her as his mail order wife - not to his face, of course.

Fred Mertz  posted on  2011-07-06   15:03:19 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: Fred Mertz (#48) (Edited)

I don't believe you.

Women from the third world cannot get visitors visas to the U.S.

A fiance visa takes over a year.

If you are already married it takes two years to bring your spouse to the U.S.

You cannot just fly someone in one Sunday.

jwpegler  posted on  2011-07-06   15:08:34 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#60. To: jwpegler (#52)

A fiance visa takes over a year.

K-1 Fiancee Visa

K-1 Fiance Visa Definition

The Immigration and Nationality Act provides a nonimmigrant visa classification “K-183; for aliens coming to the United States to marry American citizens and reside here.

K-1 Fiance Visa APPROXIMATE PROCESSING TIME

3 to 6 months from initial filing to fiance’s arrival.

Skip Intro  posted on  2011-07-06   15:22:32 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#61. To: Skip Intro (#60)

Go ask any attorney who specializes in this. It takes over a year now.

That's the difference between googling something and having actual experience.

jwpegler  posted on  2011-07-06   15:31:45 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#82. To: jwpegler (#61)

That's the difference between googling something and having actual experience.

OK, I'll bow to your actual experience.

Skip Intro  posted on  2011-07-06   17:39:57 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#100. To: Skip Intro (#82)

OK, I'll bow to your actual experience.

It would be beneficial to you, if you did that more often.

jwpegler  posted on  2011-07-07   8:20:03 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#102. To: jwpegler, Skip Intro (#100)

It would be beneficial to you, if you did that more often.

Anecdotal evidence hardly proves the norm.

mininggold  posted on  2011-07-07   11:56:27 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#104. To: mininggold (#102)

Anecdotal evidence hardly proves the norm.

I assumed from his claimed personal knowledge of the subject that he ordered his wife this way.

If he didn't, then he's just full of shit.

Skip Intro  posted on  2011-07-07   12:05:07 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#105. To: Skip Intro (#104) (Edited)

I assumed from his claimed personal knowledge of the subject that he ordered his wife this way.

If he didn't, then he's just full of shit.

If he didn't at least it appeared to be an avenue he considered.

These guys are so full of themselves with their obsessive need to be seen as experts, that they fall into their own traps very easily.

mininggold  posted on  2011-07-07 12:06:58 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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