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Title: Comparative Analysis of the Pinguinite Forums
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URL Source: http://www.libertysflame
Published: Jun 20, 2011
Author: buckeroo
Post Date: 2011-06-20 00:56:50 by buckeroo
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I was in process of posting to Fred Mertz on a thread here@LF about the styles of the various managers that was deleted by the LF forum manager.
LP is on decline while LF is on the ascension at the moment even though LF has fewer stalwart posters. I made this point to nolu chan @TPF irrespective of Alexia website ratings that TPF has claimed.Here are MY ratings for "hit/post ratios WRT articles submitted": LP (declining), LF (ascending), 4UM(flat) and TPF (flat) but in that order.
Goldi has let her channel go to shit based on her continuous babbling about Israel.
Stone is silly and offensive as with Ferret and war, to posters and has a lot to learn to keep his fucking hands off the channel material unless it is obviously out of perspective with the scope of LF.
Christine runs the best channel of the lot and is perhaps the best manager I have ever seen.
Robin is the best technically. I NEVER even knew about her site until Stone talked about nolu chan over there. He is the absolute best poster on the Internet beyond ANY that I have seen.
So, we have different management styles on these channels and the same is true for many others as well. All good managers from the perspective they each want to place the BEST possible within their limited budgets both time and money. But Stone, sometimes has this EVIL streak running down his kick 'em out button. It shall be his own death knell.
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Above is the last post I intended in my local cache before we got the axe on the "hacker" thread.
#2. To: buckeroo (#0)
But Stone, sometimes has this EVIL streak running down his kick 'em out button. It shall be his own death knell.
:)
#3. To: A K A Stone (#2) (Edited)
I told you once before that you are your own worst enemy. There are literally millions of chit-chat forums on the Internet. I know you want to succeed with your ideas but sometimes you just can't get your trigger finger off the "kick 'em button."
You have to alter your methods of management style. You are dealing with posters that have been on the Internet for years transcending through time based on technological changes and you treat them as though they are your enemies.
They want to express a perspective is all and sometimes that same perspective may not be eloquent or desirable. But they aren't spammers or hackers or idiots.
#4. To: buckeroo (#3)
Well started thread Buck. You are correct. I don't need a Mommy or Daddy in forum.
Stone does not have posted rules such as when he posts epithets and childish content I don't wish to see that the kill file function that allows him top be bozoed, I can't do it.
He can always Pmail me at 4UM where I will take him on in forum. Tactics like coding the kill file to open when I sign on as is the case now on my account to put it in my nose is the work of an incredibly childish mind.
I never leave anyone on bozo; but I'll decide when I take Stone off that list.
He wears two hats in here; one as moderator. And he can always either use his screen to sanction, or Pmail me at 4UM. His other hat which is that of a rank and file commenter on politics and stories I don't have to listen to if I don't want to. And I won't right now for the time being.
If that is not good enough, ban me. I post lots of other places on the Internet and I don't mind it if Stone does that. Just don't play games.
It doesn't work. I'm not impressed.
I was going to completely stay way for a while, but I saw this thread and it speaks to then problem with this forum.
It actually runs better when Stone is away and he doesn't know what he's doing in very many ways. And he doesn't want to learn or work at Doug this forum better.
That's more to the point then I like to put it, but he asked for a blunt assessment with this tempt to bully and head trip me.
#5. To: Ferret Mike, war, A K A Stone, Pinguinite (#4)
I enjoy seeing different opinions; I have known you and war and fred (and thousands of posters on BBS, Usenet, IRC and web) for some ten+ years. Do any of us agree with each other often? HELL NO.
I am the radical guy that gets pissed and often beaten, berated and given lip service particularly because of my non-GOP or DEM perspective. I can only suppose Stone doesn't see any of the recent "hit counts' on LF as a function of some outstanding posters MAKING/CREATING contributions towards that are honest without regard to political slant or orientation.
I don't care about the juggling of GOP/DEM as most people know. I want the RAWMEAT of a singular personal opinion to consider. That is all. I may comment as i have time.
All of us MUST modify methods of communication that can otherwise create turbulence for our respective opinions. GOD, we already have politicians and government stripping us of rights and dignities everyday without finding further crap.
Stone has placed his website with time/money and an energetic approach to his ideals and concepts. He will NEVER achieve those objectives; it is the way of the world beyond his control.
Perhaps Stone requires some of our brief resumes based on electronic capability. I go back to BBS, USENET, IRC and for years web. The web is much more graphical and easy to trace, particularly because of Neil; it is the best dialog software on the planet. I have considered starting another chit-chat forum but am reserved to go forward; I would really like all the respective forums to come together into a unified or integral forum that shows cohesive characteristics as opposed to further division.
But, what we don't need is another fucking tyrant. Government has already seen to that!
#6. To: Ferret Mike, war, buckeroo (#4)
It actually runs better when Stone is away and he doesn't know what he's doing in very many ways.
Tell me about it.
Having said that, I enjoy posting to this chit-chat channel, that is until Stone gets his ass handed to him on a platter and he performs his childish tyrant moves of 5 minute suspensions and limiting poster privileges, like he did with you and war yesterday. I still don't know why he did this to you two, nor do I care.
Bucky, thanks for pinging me.
#7. To: buckeroo, Fred Mertz, Ferret Mike (#1)
Christine runs the best channel of the lot and is perhaps the best manager I have ever seen.
I think she banned me for posting pro socialized medicine articles - or to be more accurate - proving that America's health care system is inferior to those of western peer nations.
"Keep Your Goddamn Government Hands Off My Medicare!" - Various Tea Party signs.
#8. To: buckeroo (#3)
He's a fucking moron. I've never seen anyone trip over his own stupidity as much as Stone does...excepting Boofer, of course...
Please note: Due to your account status (Probationed), you may make 10 comments per day. You have made 1 comment(s) so far today.
America...My Kind Of Place...
"I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..."
--GW Bush
"THE MILITIA IS COMING!!! THE MILITIA IS COMING!!!"
--Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere"
#9. To: Godwinson, buckeroo, Fred Mertz, Ferret Mike (#7) (Edited)
Christine runs the best channel of the lot
Bull...4UM is an anti-Semitic echo chamber...it goes beyond policy towards Israel there. If you don't hate Jews for being Jews you don't fit in.
Please note: Due to your account status (Probationed), you may make 10 comments per day. You have made 2 comment(s) so far today.
America...My Kind Of Place...
"I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..."
--GW Bush
"THE MILITIA IS COMING!!! THE MILITIA IS COMING!!!"
--Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere"
#10. To: Fred Mertz, A K A Stone, war, buckeroo (#6) (Edited)
And why is he opening and looking at out bozo lists?
He took me off the ten post thing yesterday, and my post here made the child in charge put me in that status again. Which is fine. Nothing he can do will ever influence my posting. And I vow now never, ever to take him off bozo. He's there on it like the list was a ROM chip and I'd have to flash his name out of there to get him off it.
So, why is he snooping out lists. Does he read our Pmail too? Dose he take our IPs and Phish with them?
Other then this thread, I am basically done in this forum. So the ten post thing doesn't bother me. Not posting here anymore doesn't bother me either.
And I will rip this clown a new asshole in 4UM every chance I get.
I am creeped out by my bozo list opening when I open a page here. It means Stone is not only less then trustworthy, it makes me what illegal things he does in his day to day.
This is because he has the feel of a criminal now. And he has destroyed any chance at goodwill of any kind between us.
#11. To: Ferret Mike (#10)
Other than this thread, I am basically done in this forum.
I hope you reconsider at some point in the future.
Stone seems like a person who has no friends. It must be rough to go through life like that. Plus, he never seems to learn anything new other than his narrow minded ways. He's like a Tourettes type of a poster with a Napoleonic complex.
#12. To: buckeroo (#0)
Christine runs the best channel of the lot and is perhaps the best manager I have ever seen.
She allows Jethro to stalk posters.
She banned me because I was giving Jethro fits whenever he would stalk me over there and I refused her repeated requests to apologize to the big bad policeman over hurting his widdle feelings. 4Um really seems more like a small clique or social club.
#13. To: mininggold (#12)
You attacked her man.
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America...My Kind Of Place...
"I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..."
--GW Bush
"THE MILITIA IS COMING!!! THE MILITIA IS COMING!!!"
--Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere"
#14. To: Ferret Mike (#10)
And why is he opening and looking at out bozo lists?
He has the self control of a 3 year old who doesn't know his thumb from his dick.
Please note: Due to your account status (Probationed), you may make 10 comments per day. You have made 8 comment(s) so far today.
America...My Kind Of Place...
"I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..."
--GW Bush
"THE MILITIA IS COMING!!! THE MILITIA IS COMING!!!"
--Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere"
#15. To: mininggold (#12)
She allows Jethro to stalk posters.
And ban them, too.
#16. To: war (#8)
"He's a fucking moron. I've never seen anyone trip over his own stupidity as much as Stone does...excepting Boofer, of course..."
This "Wahhh! you put wittle me on bozo, Wah!" act is megalomania in the Jim Jones' 'I have a cult and you damn well are going to drink the arsenic and Kool Aid' realm.
We should all put him on bozo and spike his list to a high number. If you really want to see what the clown says, open another brand of browser and put your name in the 'from' box to see if dumb shit pinged you.
Don't respond to his posts either. Meglomaniacs go crazy if they are not the center of attention, and if people don't respnd back
You have seen how he prow beats Lucysmom and tends to directly order women around. He is a control freak and he goes nuts if he is not the center of attention.
Why else would someone who hates to run a forum have one? If you are dedicated to the notion of running a forum well, you don't do it by making no rules except for the unwritten one that if you put his childish ass on bozo he'll sanction ya.
He is a sociopath and has no sense of operating a certain way because he has good ethics and concerned on how his behavior affects others.
Even this bull shit religion hair blouse he puts on with the button sew on the left side is comical.
He doesn't follow an Golden Rule or worry what he does might hurt others; he does what he does only out of fear of going to hell. If the mirage of his religion wasn't real in his mind, be'd be completely out of control in many more ways other then this.
Don't post articles, bozo him and tell him it's because he's your bitch; not the other way around.
#17. To: war (#14)
"He has the self control of a 3 year old who doesn't know his thumb from his dick."
I'm willing to bet he has a love hate relationship of any church he belongs to if indeed this sociopath does belong to one.
He likes to control, not have concern of others moderate his behavior. That is the one downside to this thread; it gives the prick more notice than his whining ass deserves. Which is why I make it a point that when I'm done commenting here, I'm elsewhere.
Stone is a misogynous, racist, and religiously intolerent sociopath that deserves only the shown the ignore treatment.
Let him have some of the medicine he hates the most.
#18. To: Godwinson (#7) (Edited)
I think she banned me for posting pro socialized medicine articles - or to be more accurate - proving that America's health care system is inferior to those of western peer nations.
Shoot Christine an email. She may have reconsidered her stance concerning your opinions or reasons for the blackball .
I am (perhaps) the most colorful poster upon the Internet from the viewpoint of being "black&blue" by every manager under the Sun. It is all fun to me, however. Years ago, I learned to live with the fact that sometimes (for what-ever reasons) it is possible to be at the wrong place at the wrong time.
I was Christine's first ban after she started 4um; which is often the case for me no matter where I go. I have a "way" of getting under the skin of others as I choose to make commentary; I attempt to evoke personal opinion, not some canned crap from a syllabus located somewhere beyond the personal perspective.
#19. To: war, A K A Stone (#8)
You have made 1 comment(s) so far today.
FREE WAR
#20. To: war (#8)
He's a fucking moron. I've never seen anyone trip over his own stupidity as much as Stone does
Stone's methods for his channel management style are often imbecilic, for sure.
Still, I have noted more posters popping in to LF and perhaps Stone is defensive of the forum. His reasons are his alone.
Diversity of opinion is the key to success whether anyone agrees with this point of view or not. If these chit-chat channel managers skew the forum impetus into their own way of thinking what shall happen is the inevitable: a hollow, echo chamber that is meaningless of and about personal opinion while some members chit-chat with a cup of tea or coffee because they have otherwise useless lives to begin with.
Strength *IS* diversity of opinion. It is not some singular model of thought or thinking guided by anyone or group. How else can we modify ourselves or the world around us but by attempting to learn new ideas?
#21. To: socalv8 (#19)
To HELL with him.
He's a pathological liar, and a socialist.
And he's an asshole, to boot.
The same could be said for rat-boy mike.
"You are not a dummy Eric, but you are a man who sees no shade of grays. Just black and white. And unless you dehumanize your political adversaries and practice psychology with no license in diagnosing mental illness where there is none, you cannot cope with politics." --Ferret Mike. Translation: 
#22. To: buckeroo (#20)
Strength *IS* diversity of opinion.
In an honest intellectual debate, sure.
But neither rat-boy nor DwarF are interested in honest intellectual discussions.
They're disinformation specialists, which is the antithesis of what a discussion forum is about.
"You are not a dummy Eric, but you are a man who sees no shade of grays. Just black and white. And unless you dehumanize your political adversaries and practice psychology with no license in diagnosing mental illness where there is none, you cannot cope with politics." --Ferret Mike. Translation:
#23. To: Capitalist Eric (#21)
I like war. I dislike many war positions. Neither of us have gotten personal so we can "discuss". Either back up and mutually agree to discuss, hate or ignore. Ignore is boring, hate is easy to find on these type forums...
I like you AND war...let's all debate without graphics and insults, we'll all get smarter and have more fun.
#24. To: war (#9)
Bull...4UM is an anti-Semitic echo chamber...it goes beyond policy towards Israel there. If you don't hate Jews for being Jews you don't fit in.
I don't see it. I see diversified opinions attempting to identify the root cause of failure for America's weaknesses concerning domestic and international policies that WE are forced to pay for through generous contributions of our sweat&blood.
Let Israel stand on its own two legs; they are a sovereign nation for some 60 years, now. It is time that America takes care of our own.
#25. To: Fred Mertz, Ferret Mike (#11)
I hope you reconsider at some point in the future.
Fully concur.
#26. To: mininggold, war, Jethro Tull (#12)
I can't really comment because I don't know any of the details. You are an awesome poster, mininggold. JT has changed his ways over the years and has become a more hard-liner with his opinions that probably influence 4UM management.
Often, JT is refreshing in his views; the guy was a serious cop on a professional basis. If you take his professional background in combination with his personal opinions you see a completely different picture about his commentary concerning the world.
JT posts on LF. Perhaps he can comment.
#27. To: Skip Intro (#15)
And ban them, too.
If you haven't been banned you don't make *ANY* impact on opinion. Being banned is the last issue to consider when stating a responsible post.
#28. To: Ferret Mike (#16)
We should all put him on bozo and spike his list to a high number. If you really want to see what the clown says, open another brand of browser and put your name in the 'from' box to see if dumb shit pinged you.
What is the point of joining a chit-chat channel and then filtering some poster? Aren't you bigger than that comment? I have known you for over a decade on the Internet (before 2000 on FR) through many forums.
I have never heard you talk like this before. I shall SKYPE you when you have your camera on line.
#29. To: buckeroo (#0)
4UM -- Right wing Paultards who hate Juze.
TPF -- Insane left wing moonbats who hate Juze.
Now, I know I’m not going to change the minds of any of the True Believers…those who read all of Reverend Al’s sermons, and say things like, “You know, global warming can mean warmer OR colder, wetter OR drier, cloudier OR sunnier, windier OR calmer, …â€. Can I get an ‘amen’??
#30. To: buckeroo, war, a k a stone (#28)
"What is the point of joining a chit-chat channel and then filtering some poster? Aren't you bigger than that comment? I have known you for over a decade on the Internet (before 2000 on FR) through many forums."
And I wouldn't answer that one unless someone asked me what you just did.
I normally would never bozo that bozo. I made sure this came on his radar when I first saw him sanction war the first time for this.
I only bozoed stone because he was being a bully to war for selfish and immature reasons.
What a forum owner does that is sociopathic and unfair and hurts another causes injury to me.
I am letting stone's bad judgment affect who posts here. I actually enjoy the sanction of the 'probationary' thing because I'm leaving solely because of bad conduct of this guy which he started with this 'i'll hold my breath and turn blue if you bozo me' crap.
You see, I don't want to post here if he is going to be reading my bozo list and opening it for me and showing it to me every time I open a window to his site. I would still stay if it was an isolated thing only affecting me. Because this is an ongoing situatiuon that affects others I have to go to other places more enjoyable then here.
This is not hard to do, to leave. And I am doing it for the right reason.
Stone cares for no one but himself.
I leave because he's unfair and bullying toward others. I would never do it just because of the selfish interest he is doing this to me.
Thanks for the question, you get the brass ring.
#31. To: no gnu taxes (#29)
4UM -- Right wing Paultards who hate Juze.TPF -- Insane left wing moonbats who hate Juze.
Assuming you are a single poster I want you to remember something important towards your ugly posting career: You are judged by others not necessarily about what you say but what you don't say.
#32. To: Ferret Mike (#30)
I only bozoed stone because he was being a bully to war for selfish and immature reasons.
That won't sink in to his thick, Neanderthal noggin.
#33. To: buckeroo, calcon, Ferret Mike, war, Skip Intro, mininggold, lucysmom, All (#31)
I just received a PM from Ferret Mike.
I'm putting A K A Goldi on bozo in memory of Mike.
From: Ferret
To: Fred Mertz
Subject: Re:
Stone just banned me. Besure folks know this. Thanks.
Mike
#34. To: buckeroo (#31)
Why do I care about how I am judged by a bunch of kooks?
Now, I know I’m not going to change the minds of any of the True Believers…those who read all of Reverend Al’s sermons, and say things like, “You know, global warming can mean warmer OR colder, wetter OR drier, cloudier OR sunnier, windier OR calmer, …â€. Can I get an ‘amen’??
#35. To: harrowup (#33)
ping to #33 - your furry friend is a goner.
#36. To: Fred Mertz (#35)
your furry friend is a goner.
"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul
Obama's watch stopped on 24 May 2008, but he's been too busy smoking crack to notice.
#37. To: no gnu taxes (#34)
Why do I care about how I am judged by a bunch of kooks?
Do you regard yourself as a non-kook?
#38. To: buckeroo (#0)
LP is on decline while LF is on the ascension at the moment even though LF has fewer stalwart posters.Stone just banned me. Besure folks know this. Thanks.
Mike
Would you like to revise your opinion, in light of recent events?
"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul
Obama's watch stopped on 24 May 2008, but he's been too busy smoking crack to notice.
#39. To: hondo68 (#38)
I have been banned no less than four times by Stone; he is not alone exercising his trigger-finger. And I always pop back.
Perhaps Stone is on some cycle of banning or limiting posters again; but he has performed that way since he created Libertysflame.
Mike knows how to pop back, too.
#40. To: Capitalist Eric, ferret mike, war (#22)
In an honest intellectual debate, sure.But neither rat-boy nor DwarF are interested in honest intellectual discussions.
Since you use high and mighty terms to separate yourself from the rif-raf or chafe, I suppose you regard yourself as an "intellectual" correct? But, have you ever reviewed your own commentary?
Do you realize how silly you are with all those pictures in your tag-line?
I enjoy some of your articles. But, to be honest, your commentary sucks. You are akin to a mild-version of Mad Dog.
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