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Title: NBC changes Pledge of Allegiance.
Source: me
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Published: Jun 19, 2011
Author: me
Post Date: 2011-06-19 13:57:46 by Wood_Chopper
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Views: 60642
Comments: 75

Did anyone see the opening to the U.S. Open Golf Tournament?

NBC TWICE had a group of school children reciting the Pledge of Allegiance and edited it so that the phrase "under God, indivisible" was omitted.

Can't wait to hear the NBC's new version of the National Anthem.

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#1. To: Wood_Chopper (#0)

Good. It should never had been added.

Skip Intro  posted on  2011-06-19   13:59:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Skip Intro (#1)

Without those words, how are you going to tell the commies from the Christians?

It is our responsibility to protect that child once that child’s born too. When we start debating a budget, let’s make sure we don’t cut 100,000 vaccines. Let’s make sure we’ve got health insurance. We seem to worship what we cannot see, but as soon as that baby’s born, oh no, we don’t want to be intrusive. Texas is going to shrink government until it fits inside a women’s uterus. Senator Leticia Van de Putte

lucysmom  posted on  2011-06-19   14:03:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: lucysmom (#2)

Without those words, how are you going to tell the commies from the Christians?

Easy. The commies all live in blue states or towns with more than 10,000 people.

Skip Intro  posted on  2011-06-19   14:06:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Skip Intro, Wood_Chopper (#1)

Good. It should never had been added.

...in 1954

mininggold  posted on  2011-06-19   14:11:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: mininggold (#4)

...in 1954

Right. Along with loyalty oaths. Had to root out those commies.

I'd leave indivisible in, though. I think it was there originally.

Skip Intro  posted on  2011-06-19   14:19:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Wood_Chopper (#0)

Why not?

The FED makes all the cash you can carry. And on the face of those bills are "In God We Trust" ..... the term is worthless in this society with the exception of when a President wants a new WAR somewhere. Oh, the President will call on "GOD" to help the nation, then.

buckeroo  posted on  2011-06-19   14:21:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Skip Intro (#5)

I'd leave indivisible in, though. I think it was there originally.

I can see why NBC would want to omit that part though.

mininggold  posted on  2011-06-19   14:32:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Skip Intro, lucysmom (#3)

"Without those words, how are you going to tell the commies from the Christians? "

Easy. The commies all live in blue states or towns with more than 10,000 people.

Both very funny, but shouldn't we be grateful that it isn't one nation under allah, in any town with a teacher's union?

harrowup  posted on  2011-06-19   14:52:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Skip Intro (#1)

Good. It should never had been added.

I don't believe it was even a part of the National Anthem until sometime in the early 50's.

It should have never been added.

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sneakypete  posted on  2011-06-19   15:06:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: lucysmom (#2)

Without those words, how are you going to tell the commies from the Christians?

Good question. They are both religions,and they have a awful lot in common.

"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)

sneakypete  posted on  2011-06-19   15:07:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: harrowup (#8)

Both very funny, but shouldn't we be grateful that it isn't one nation under allah

God = Allah = Shiva = Yahweh = whatever other being you want to call god.

A pointless insertion.

Skip Intro  posted on  2011-06-19   15:39:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Skip Intro, lucysmom, sneakypete (#11)

Yes, yes and yes.

Not only pointless, it still trips me up.

harrowup  posted on  2011-06-19   16:25:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Wood_Chopper (#0)

NBC changes Pledge of Allegiance...

...back.

America...My Kind Of Place...

"I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..."
--GW Bush

"THE MILITIA IS COMING!!! THE MILITIA IS COMING!!!"
--Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere"

war  posted on  2011-06-19   17:35:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: All (#0) (Edited)

There is not a single reply, yet, to this thread that has addressed the real threat of NBC's action.

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Wood_Chopper  posted on  2011-06-19   20:46:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: All, Skip Intro, lucysmom, mininggold, buckeroo, harrowup, sneakypete, war (#0)

blah blah blah, talking points, snide remarks, BULLSHIT spewing, propaganda fluff, etc.

There is not a single reply, yet, to this thread that has addressed the real threat of NBC's action.

My guess is not a single one of you are able to identify it.

Tag line: I wuz HACKED, cuz I SAY so!

Wood_Chopper  posted on  2011-06-19   23:33:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: Wood_Chopper (#15)

Sadly, they apologized.

Big mistake.

Skip Intro  posted on  2011-06-19   23:35:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: Wood_Chopper (#15)

real threat of NBC's action.

What is the real threat?

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-06-19   23:39:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Skip Intro (#16)

Sadly, they apologized.

Big mistake.

Said the fool.

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-06-19   23:39:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: Skip Intro (#16)

Sadly, they apologized.

They did not. That "apology" is PR bullshit.

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Wood_Chopper  posted on  2011-06-19   23:47:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: A K A Stone (#17)

What is the real threat?

You tell me.

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Wood_Chopper  posted on  2011-06-19   23:47:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: Wood_Chopper (#15) (Edited)

There is not a single reply, yet, to this thread that has addressed the real threat of NBC's action.

Let me help you out.

It is common practice for ALL news agencies to use their discretion of editing ANY presentation they feel like. In this singular case, they not only PROVED it but also ADMITTED the same to the publick.

I have known about these sorts of shenanigans since 1993 during the US MEDIA handling of the Branch Davidian Church in Waco, TX. Since then, I don't watch TV, read newspapers, magazines and so forth. Everything I find is on the Internet not by some BS "news organization."

buckeroo  posted on  2011-06-19   23:48:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: Wood_Chopper (#20)

Off the top of my head. They don't want to piss of normal Americans.

That probably isn't the answer you are looking for.

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-06-19   23:48:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: buckeroo (#21)

It is common practice for ALL news agencies to use their discretion of editing ANY presentation they feel like. In this singular case, they not only PROVED it but also ADMITTED the same to the publick.

Your answer is much better than mine.

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-06-19   23:50:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: buckeroo (#21)

Let me help you out.

It is common practice for ALL news agencies to use their discretion of editing ANY presentation they feel like.

Not even close.

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Wood_Chopper  posted on  2011-06-19   23:50:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: Wood_Chopper (#24)

Well....... don't keep us holding our breath .... spill the beans!

buckeroo  posted on  2011-06-19   23:54:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: A K A Stone (#22)

That probably isn't the answer you are looking for.

Correct. It's not what I'm looking for.

They can report "a news event" any way they want.

Here's a hint. What if they printed the Constitution on their website, and decided to edit to fit their agenda????

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Wood_Chopper  posted on  2011-06-19   23:55:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: Wood_Chopper (#26)

That is kind of what buck said.

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-06-19   23:59:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: A K A Stone (#27) (Edited)

That is kind of what buck said.

"Kind of"???????????????????

Buck was nowhere close to what I posted.

Now, answer my question:What if they printed the Constitution on their website, and decided to edit to fit their agenda????

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Wood_Chopper  posted on  2011-06-20   0:01:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: Wood_Chopper (#28)

buckeroo said

It is common practice for ALL news agencies to use their discretion of editing ANY presentation they feel like. In this singular case, they not only PROVED it but also ADMITTED the same to the publick.

you said

What if they printed the Constitution on their website, and decided to edit to fit their agenda????

You both talked about them editing the pledge. Buck talks about it being public knowledge now. If it is public knowlege as buck says. Then people can see that it was edited to fit an agenda as you mention.

That is why I said what you said and buckeroo said is pretty much the same thing.

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-06-20   0:21:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: Wood_Chopper (#28) (Edited)

What if they printed the Constitution on their website, and decided to edit to fit their agenda????

Most people wouldn't notice. Or care for that matter.

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-06-20   0:22:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: Wood_Chopper (#28)

"Kind of"???????????????????

Buck was nowhere close to what I posted.

Now, answer my question:What if they printed the Constitution on their website, and decided to edit to fit their agenda????

I would say since they are a corporation and the SCOTUS says they are entitled to free speech, if you don't like it turn the channel.

mininggold  posted on  2011-06-20   1:40:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: mininggold (#31)

I would say since they are a corporation and the SCOTUS says they are entitled to free speech, if you don't like it turn the channel.

There is a major GLITCH in your post.

The US CIA has invaded both US and FOREIGN press with agents. This was proved some 30 years ago. And the larger the press organization (such as ABC, CBS, NBC (et. al.) the more CIA agents contribute towards news articles.

I am confident you know that minor fact that is not newsworthy.

buckeroo  posted on  2011-06-20   1:56:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: Wood_Chopper (#15)

The "real" threat of NBC's action?

Sanity?

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"I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..."
--GW Bush

"THE MILITIA IS COMING!!! THE MILITIA IS COMING!!!"
--Sarah Palin's version of "The Midnight Ride of Paul revere"

war  posted on  2011-06-20   9:20:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: Wood_Chopper, lucysmom, Skip Intro, mininggold, harrowup, war (#0)

The original "Pledge of Allegiance" until the 1950s did not have the "Under God" reference and - this is the good part - the Pledge was created by a Socialist minister - I mean full Socialist - commie pinko. Heck, before WW2 and Hitler made the salute unpopular - American's said the Pledge in the "Roman" manner - out stretched hand directed at the flag aka the Nazi salute (the old Roman Republic salute).

"Keep Your Goddamn Government Hands Off My Medicare!" - Various Tea Party signs.

Godwinson  posted on  2011-06-20   9:25:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: Godwinson (#34)

the Pledge was created by a Socialist minister

It's amusing to watch conservative patriots get all possessive about the pledge written by a socialist.

It is our responsibility to protect that child once that child’s born too. When we start debating a budget, let’s make sure we don’t cut 100,000 vaccines. Let’s make sure we’ve got health insurance. We seem to worship what we cannot see, but as soon as that baby’s born, oh no, we don’t want to be intrusive. Texas is going to shrink government until it fits inside a women’s uterus. Senator Leticia Van de Putte

lucysmom  posted on  2011-06-20   9:32:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: buckeroo (#32)

There is a major GLITCH in your post.

The US CIA has invaded both US and FOREIGN press with agents. This was proved some 30 years ago. And the larger the press organization (such as ABC, CBS, NBC (et. al.) the more CIA agents contribute towards news articles.

I am confident you know that minor fact that is not newsworthy.

I should have wrote it a little more sarcastically.

mininggold  posted on  2011-06-20   10:36:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: lucysmom (#35)

It's amusing to watch conservative patriots get all possessive about the pledge written by a socialist.

Conservative patriots have never been the sharpest knives in the drawer. With their complete hatred of government I don't know why they support this oath at all.

Skip Intro  posted on  2011-06-20   10:38:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: lucysmom (#35)

It's amusing to watch conservative patriots get all possessive about the pledge written by a socialist.

They wear their ignorance of and/or refusal to learn history on their sleeves.

mininggold  posted on  2011-06-20   10:44:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: Skip Intro (#37) (Edited)

Conservative patriots have never been the sharpest knives in the drawer. With their complete hatred of government I don't know why they support this oath at all.

If most had been around after the revolution I'm sure they would have found the constitution that was drawn up to be much too restrictive of their 'right' to be anarchists.

mininggold  posted on  2011-06-20   10:57:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: Skip Intro (#37)

With their complete hatred of government I don't know why they support this oath at all.

I'm sure you don't know why.

And the reason you don't know why, is because you think The United States and the United States Government are the same thing.

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Wood_Chopper  posted on  2011-06-20   12:39:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: Godwinson, lucysmom, Skip Intro, mininggold, harrowup, war (#34)

The original "Pledge of Allegiance" until the 1950s did not have the "Under God" reference and - this is the good part - the Pledge was created by a Socialist minister - I mean full Socialist - commie pinko. Heck, before WW2 and Hitler made the salute unpopular - American's said the Pledge in the "Roman" manner - out stretched hand directed at the flag aka the Nazi salute (the old Roman Republic salute).

To all of you offering the excuse that NBC was just saying it the way it used to be said, would you be making the same argument if the kids were shown standing there giving the Nazi salute while saying it, just like it used to be done?

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Wood_Chopper  posted on  2011-06-20   12:44:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: Wood_Chopper (#41)

would you be making the same argument if the kids were shown standing there giving the Nazi salute while saying it, just like it used to be done?

That's a stupid comparison. When did kids in this country ever give the Nazi salute?

All that happened was that the pledge was recited the way it was written, not the way it was changed by the cold warriors.

Skip Intro  posted on  2011-06-20   12:50:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: Skip Intro (#42)

That's a stupid comparison. When did kids in this country ever give the Nazi salute?

Do you ever take the time to read what's posted?

From Godwinson:"Heck, before WW2 and Hitler made the salute unpopular - American's said the Pledge in the "Roman" manner - out stretched hand directed at the flag aka the Nazi salute (the old Roman Republic salute)."

That's the same time period. So, if you want to go back to "the way it was", you'd have no problem going back to "Roman style"?

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Wood_Chopper  posted on  2011-06-20   13:00:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: Wood_Chopper (#43)

Because someone says something doesn't mean I accept it as being true. I'd like to see some data.

Skip Intro  posted on  2011-06-20   13:04:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: Skip Intro (#44)

I'd like to see some data.

If it's true, you'd have no problem going back to "the way it was", with the kids standing there with the Nazi salute?

You don't want it "the way it was", you want it the way you want it.

Tag line: I wuz HACKED, cuz I SAY so!

Wood_Chopper  posted on  2011-06-20   13:13:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: All (#44)

The pledge was formally adopted in 1942, so I doubt very much that anyone was doing a Nazi salute with it.

Here's an image from 1899 showing students saying an earlier version of the pledge. Note that the hands are over the heart, but turned 90 degrees from resting on the chest.

Skip Intro  posted on  2011-06-20   13:15:57 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: Wood_Chopper (#45)

If it's true, you'd have no problem going back to "the way it was",

Since it's not true your post is pointless.

Skip Intro  posted on  2011-06-20   13:16:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: All (#47)

I will revise my last post. There was a short-lived "Bellamy salute" that some students used that resembled the Nazi salute. It was changed to the hand over heart version in 1942 for obvious reasons.

Now, would I like to return to the earlier version? No. As a matter of principle I'd like to see the pledge abandoned altogether. I'm surprised the opponents of Socialism and Big Government don't agree with me.

Skip Intro  posted on  2011-06-20   13:24:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: A K A Stone, buckeroo (#29)

That is why I said what you said and buckeroo said is pretty much the same thing.

Stone, re-reading my post, I wrote it poorly and didn't get my idea across. Lemee try again.

They can report a "news event" any way they want to, and that's fine by me. They can use the reason that, "folks see the same event differently". And everyone knows they "interpret" (spin) the facts to fit their agenda. And that is what buckeroo was talking about.

They can "interpret" the facts, but they shouldn't CHANGE the facts to fit their interpretation. That's what I was talking about.

But the Pledge is what it is. It is a fact. It is what it is NOW. They have CHANGED fact to fit their position. And it was no oversight. It was done not once but TWICE during their presentation. It was deliberate.

They can argue all day long whether or not the 2nd Amendment pertains to a militia or to the individual, BUT THEY CANNOT CHANGE THE WORDING OF THE 2ND AMENDMENT to support their argument.

Suppose they had children recite the 2nd Amendment as follows: A well regulated Militia,(break to show Marines raising the flag) being necessary to the security of a free State, (break to show F-16s passing overhead) the right (break to show soldiers saluting the flag)to keep and bear Arms,(break to show whatever) shall not be infringed. (Show large American flag waving in the breeze as patriotic music swells to a climax)

The omission of the phrase "of the people" would be no different than omitting the phrase "under God, indivisible".

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Wood_Chopper  posted on  2011-06-20   14:10:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: Skip Intro (#48)

No. As a matter of principle I'd like to see the pledge abandoned altogether.

No surprise here.

Then just say it and quit the BS argument about "the way it used to be".

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Wood_Chopper  posted on  2011-06-20   14:12:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#51. To: Wood_Chopper, Skip Intro (#45)

The Bellamy salute is the salute described by Francis Bellamy (1855–1931) to accompany the American Pledge of Allegiance, which he had authored. During the period when it was used with the Pledge of Allegiance, it was sometimes known as the "flag salute". During the 1920s and 1930s, Italian fascists and Nazis adopted salutes which were similar in form, resulting in controversy over the use of the Bellamy salute in the United States. It was officially replaced by the hand-over-heart salute when Congress officially amended the Flag Code on 22 December 1942.

"Keep Your Goddamn Government Hands Off My Medicare!" - Various Tea Party signs.

Godwinson  posted on  2011-06-21   7:36:45 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: Wood_Chopper, lucysmom, Skip Intro, mininggold, harrowup, war (#41)

To all of you offering the excuse that NBC was just saying it the way it used to be said, would you be making the same argument if the kids were shown standing there giving the Nazi salute while saying it, just like it used to be done?

What I am pointing out - not arguing on behalf of NBC - is the irony - funny irony - that so called conservatives are so outraged a socialist pledge was mangled. I mean, you kooks are the limited govt types freaking out that the school of the govt is teaching your kids stuff and yet you demand that the most socialist of all pledges - socialist in origin and message - is not in any way weakened.

That is why you so called conservatives are laughable clowns.

"Keep Your Goddamn Government Hands Off My Medicare!" - Various Tea Party signs.

Godwinson  posted on  2011-06-21   7:42:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#53. To: Godwinson (#52)

...you kooks are the limited govt types freaking out that the school of the govt...

Imagine how they would scream if government schools decided not to have children begin their day by pledging allegiance to the government they fear is taking over everything.

It is our responsibility to protect that child once that child’s born too. When we start debating a budget, let’s make sure we don’t cut 100,000 vaccines. Let’s make sure we’ve got health insurance. We seem to worship what we cannot see, but as soon as that baby’s born, oh no, we don’t want to be intrusive. Texas is going to shrink government until it fits inside a women’s uterus. Senator Leticia Van de Putte

lucysmom  posted on  2011-06-21   10:24:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#54. To: Wood_Chopper (#50) (Edited)

Then just say it and quit the BS argument about "the way it used to be".

That is the way it used to be. Somehow back then, without loyalty oaths or the praising of a mythical deity, the country managed to thrive, unlike today.

Skip Intro  posted on  2011-06-21   11:20:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#55. To: lucysmom, Wood_Chopper (#53)

Imagine how they would scream if government schools decided not to have children begin their day by pledging allegiance to the government they fear is taking over everything.

And some here think that the US and the US government are not the same thing.

I'm trying to figure out how that 'United' thingy works without the glue that is the government.

mininggold  posted on  2011-06-21   11:35:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#56. To: mininggold, lucysmom, Wood_Chopper (#55)

I'm trying to figure out how that 'United' thingy works without the glue that is the government.

Race. These are the old Dixie-crats metamorphed for a new era. They hate the govt more so when it became responsible for ending discriminations. Much of the so called right wing world view is based around them having the freedomn to deny rights and services to minority groups.

With that said, the Pledge Of Allegiance fetish shows that this group - which can't stand govt or the state - supposedly - actually loves the symbolisms of 19th century nationalism (of course it makes sense if you realize this nationalism excludes minority Americans).

"Keep Your Goddamn Government Hands Off My Medicare!" - Various Tea Party signs.

Godwinson  posted on  2011-06-21   11:44:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#57. To: mininggold (#55)

I'm trying to figure out how that 'United' thingy works without the glue that is the government.

I think it's somewhat analogous to an open marriage.

It is our responsibility to protect that child once that child’s born too. When we start debating a budget, let’s make sure we don’t cut 100,000 vaccines. Let’s make sure we’ve got health insurance. We seem to worship what we cannot see, but as soon as that baby’s born, oh no, we don’t want to be intrusive. Texas is going to shrink government until it fits inside a women’s uterus. Senator Leticia Van de Putte

lucysmom  posted on  2011-06-21   11:47:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#58. To: Skip Intro (#46)

Here's an image from 1899 showing students saying an earlier version of the pledge. Note that the hands are over the heart, but turned 90 degrees from resting on the chest.

There was additional movement of the hands where this hand thus resting on the heart palm down would be extended to the flag. I don't recall if the movement in the picture is the end of the salute or the start of the salute. The so called "Sieg Heil" motion you see in films about Nazis. The Nazis of course stole this salute but tainted it by using it.

"Keep Your Goddamn Government Hands Off My Medicare!" - Various Tea Party signs.

Godwinson  posted on  2011-06-21   11:47:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#59. To: Wood_Chopper (#45)

If it's true, you'd have no problem going back to "the way it was", with the kids standing there with the Nazi salute?

The Nazi saluter always included a 'Heil Hitler'. Well not all did it, just those that wanted to stay out of prison or a camp.

mininggold  posted on  2011-06-21   11:54:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#60. To: mininggold (#55)

And some here think that the US and the US government are not the same thing.

And some here, like you (you little sweetheart), think the US and the US government ARE one in the same.

I'm trying to figure out how that 'United' thingy works without the glue that is the government.

You're not bright enough to realize it, but you've just demonstrated that the government is NOT the United States. Bad glue, and a piece of furniture falls apart.

I see that NBC has issued a SECOND apology, stating that editing the pledge was "a bad decision" made by a small group of people.

Even NBC disagrees with you.

Tag line: I wuz HACKED, cuz I SAY so!

Wood_Chopper  posted on  2011-06-21   12:28:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#61. To: Wood_Chopper (#60) (Edited)

You're not bright enough to realize it, but you've just demonstrated that the government is NOT the United States. Bad glue, and a piece of furniture falls apart.

I see that NBC has issued a SECOND apology, stating that editing the pledge was "a bad decision" made by a small group of people.

Even NBC disagrees with you.

NBC is your source not mine, I could care less what they edit.

And guess what happened in the old USSR when the glue no longer held?

There would be no USA without the government... period. Otherwise what was the purpose of the First Continental Congress?

mininggold  posted on  2011-06-21   12:35:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#62. To: lucysmom (#53)

Imagine how they would scream if government schools decided not to have children begin their day by pledging allegiance to the government

You little sweetheart you, re-writing the pledge are you?

So now its worded, "I pledge allegiance to the government" according to you.

Tag line: I wuz HACKED, cuz I SAY so!

Wood_Chopper  posted on  2011-06-21   12:38:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#63. To: Wood_Chopper (#62)

You little sweetheart you, re-writing the pledge are you?

So now its worded, "I pledge allegiance to the government" according to you.

I see you've even resorted to changing my posts in order to try to make YOUR point. But I see you can't refute anything...... again.

mininggold  posted on  2011-06-21   12:41:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#64. To: mininggold (#61)

Otherwise what was the purpose of the First Continental Congress?

To make good glue. They realized what you don't. The United States is not a tangible thing. It is an IDEA. The government is a tangible thing.

That's why Ben said, "A Republic, if you can keep it."

The US is a quite different thing than the US government.

Tag line: I wuz HACKED, cuz I SAY so!

Wood_Chopper  posted on  2011-06-21   12:51:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#65. To: mininggold, A K A Stone (#63) (Edited)

You little sweetheart you, re-writing the pledge are you?

So now its worded, "I pledge allegiance to the government" according to you.

I see you've even resorted to changing my posts in order to try to make YOUR point. But I see you can't refute anything...... again.

Hey yukon, you're answering a post I made to lucysmom and claiming it as yours. Too many windows open???

Are you and lucysmom one and the same?

Tag line: I wuz HACKED, cuz I SAY so!

Wood_Chopper  posted on  2011-06-21   12:56:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#66. To: Wood_Chopper (#64) (Edited)

To make good glue. They realized what you don't. The United States is not a tangible thing. It is an IDEA. The government is a tangible thing.

In the oath it's called a REPUBLIC which certainly is tangible.

You can live in a figment of your imagination, but I prefer reality.

mininggold  posted on  2011-06-21   12:57:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#67. To: Wood_Chopper (#65) (Edited)

Hey yukon, you're answering a post I made to lucysmom and claiming it as yours. Too many windows open???

Are you and lucysmom one and the same?

Sorry, I forgot someone as perfect as yourself never makes mistakes. I see you put a call in to your mommy to help you out.

mininggold  posted on  2011-06-21   13:01:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#68. To: mininggold (#67)

Sorry, I forgot someone as perfect as yourself never makes mistakes.

You made a mistake alright. You knew the words were yours, you just screwed up on which screen name you had posted them.

Tag line: I wuz HACKED, cuz I SAY so!

Wood_Chopper  posted on  2011-06-21   13:10:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#69. To: Wood_Chopper (#68)

You made a mistake alright. You knew the words were yours, you just screwed up on which screen name you had posted them.

Another misconception on your part but then what's new?

mininggold  posted on  2011-06-21   13:16:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#70. To: Wood_Chopper (#0)

i think it is disgusting that nbc would change the pledge. even if it was only added a fairly short time ago it is a part of our nations pledge and to change it is to disrespect and dis this nation. i def dont agree with a lot of our nations actions but im still proud to be an American and a conservative Baptist and i take great offence to what nbc did.

drew  posted on  2011-06-25   22:47:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#71. To: drew (#70)

I agree with you drew. Welcome to the site.

A K A Stone  posted on  2011-06-25   23:18:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#72. To: mininggold, wood_chopper, lucysmom, capitalist eric (#67)

Wood_Chopper:Hey yukon, you're answering a post I made to lucysmom and claiming it as yours. Too many windows open??? Are you and lucysmom one and the same?

Ming: Sorry, I forgot someone as perfect as yourself never makes mistakes. I see you put a call in to your mommy to help you out.

LOL.

You're busted, lucysIDIOTmom/whining-old.

BUSTED.

Bookmarked for future reference.

“If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.”
-- Joseph Goebbels --

The State can no longer hide the consequences of their 100-year lie. VERY interesting times are ahead.

Capitalist Eric  posted on  2011-07-08   19:27:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#73. To: Capitalist Eric, mininggold (#72)

To: mininggold, wood_chopper, lucysmom, capitalist eric

As Capitalist Eric you ping your lesser self as capitalist eric?

What's up with that?

Von Mises associates any Government involvement in markets as "Socialism" , to mislead people into thinking Government is the enemy , when infact empire is the enemy and empire is Privatized.

lucysmom  posted on  2011-07-08   20:48:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#74. To: Capitalist Eric (#72)

You're busted, lucysIDIOTmom/whining-old.

It's great to know how stupid capitalists can be fooled so easily. No wonder you are bitter.

mininggold  posted on  2011-07-09   0:21:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#75. To: mininggold (#67)

Sorry, I forgot someone as perfect as yourself never makes mistakes. I see you put a call in to your mommy to help you out.

The mistake is you are outed as Lucysmom.

A K A Stone  posted on  2012-03-05   19:44:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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