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Title: The U.S. corporate tax haven
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Real-World Economics Review Blog
URL Source: http://rwer.wordpress.com/2011/04/09/the-u-s-corporate-tax-haven/
Published: Apr 9, 2011
Author: David Ruccio
Post Date: 2011-06-04 09:41:06 by lucysmom
Keywords: coroperate serfs, American hostages, economic blackmail
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Comments: 44
When we think of corporate tax havens, we often think of offshore accounts. Well, think again: the United States has become a giant tax haven for corporations.
That’s what’s so crazy about the current call to lower corporate tax rates in the United Stats: they’re already (as graph below shows) paying a historically low percentage of federal tax revenues.
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The fact is, we’re being held hostage—by corporations and mainstream economists alike—to the idea that one tiny group in society has the right to appropriate most of the surplus and to decide when and where most jobs will be created. And, if it doesn’t get its way, it’ll deploy its capital elsewhere.
That’s why the United States has become a giant corporate tax haven. And, if things continue as they are, it’ll become an empty shell—just as empty as those offshore “headquarters” corporations have been using to avoid taxes on their profits.
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#1. To: Badeye, A K A Stone, hondo68, Fred Mertz, Godwinson, go65, war, no gnu taxes, Skip Intro, ferret mike, jwpegler, brian s, mcgowanjm, Capitalist Eric, Mininggold (#0)
The fact is, we’re being held hostage—by corporations and mainstream economists alike—to the idea that one tiny group in society has the right to appropriate most of the surplus and to decide when and where most jobs will be created. And, if it doesn’t get its way, it’ll deploy its capital elsewhere.
The truth is American corporations have abandoned the American middle class.
It is our responsibility to protect that child once that child’s born too. When we start debating a budget, let’s make sure we don’t cut 100,000 vaccines. Let’s make sure we’ve got health insurance. We seem to worship what we cannot see, but as soon as that baby’s born, oh no, we don’t want to be intrusive. Texas is going to shrink government until it fits inside a women’s uterus. Senator Leticia Van de Putte
#2. To: lucysmom (#1)
The truth is American corporations have abandoned the American middle class.
Actually, the truth is when you produce the 2nd highest corporate tax rate on the planet, combined with insane union demands on wages, corporations moved to more hospitable business climates.
And EVERYONE GETS SCREWED. Not just the middle class.
Course you are a liberal, so bullshit class warfare is like breathing to you.
Proxy IP's are amusing.....lmao
#3. To: Badeye (#2)
Course you are a liberal, so bullshit class warfare is like breathing to you.
Did you follow the link and look at the graph?
Corporate taxes have been falling as a percent since the middle of the last century until they are now a small fraction of total tax collected.
It is our responsibility to protect that child once that child’s born too. When we start debating a budget, let’s make sure we don’t cut 100,000 vaccines. Let’s make sure we’ve got health insurance. We seem to worship what we cannot see, but as soon as that baby’s born, oh no, we don’t want to be intrusive. Texas is going to shrink government until it fits inside a women’s uterus. Senator Leticia Van de Putte
#4. To: lucysmom (#3)
Corporate taxes have been falling as a percent since the middle of the last century until they are now a small fraction of total tax collected.
But but a corporation isn't a person. How can you tax a non person? ?
#5. To: A K A Stone (#4)
But but a corporation isn't a person. How can you tax a non person?
If the person were taxed, it would be a head tax. Economic activity is what is taxed.
It is our responsibility to protect that child once that child’s born too. When we start debating a budget, let’s make sure we don’t cut 100,000 vaccines. Let’s make sure we’ve got health insurance. We seem to worship what we cannot see, but as soon as that baby’s born, oh no, we don’t want to be intrusive. Texas is going to shrink government until it fits inside a women’s uterus. Senator Leticia Van de Putte
#6. To: A K A Stone (#4)
But but a corporation isn't a person. How can you tax a non person? ?
Get your story straight, Stone.
On the one hand you claim a corporation is a person with free speech rights to buy candidates and influence elections, but now you claim it isn't when it comes to paying taxes.
Even you should be able to spot the contradiction.
#7. To: lucysmom (#0)
All this is a moot point if we had consumption taxes instead of targeting certain people/organizations with the useless and expensive system we have now....
"I love the 45 caliber M1911, I respect the 9MM M9 Beretta but I only carry a CZ for my own personal protection". Quote courtesy of Lt Col John Dean Cooper, recognized as the Father of Modern Handgunning
#8. To: lucysmom (#3)
Of course he didn't. Fox News told him all that he needs to know and when that falls short Rush fills in the gaps.
America...My Kind Of Place...
"I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..."
--GW Bush
#9. To: CZ82 (#7)
All this is a moot point if we had consumption taxes instead of targeting certain people/organizations with the useless and expensive system we have now....
One of the mistakes Japan made during the lost decade was raising the consumption tax.
It is our responsibility to protect that child once that child’s born too. When we start debating a budget, let’s make sure we don’t cut 100,000 vaccines. Let’s make sure we’ve got health insurance. We seem to worship what we cannot see, but as soon as that baby’s born, oh no, we don’t want to be intrusive. Texas is going to shrink government until it fits inside a women’s uterus. Senator Leticia Van de Putte
#10. To: war (#8)
Fox News told him all that he needs to know and when that falls short Rush fills in the gaps.
That would be funny if it weren't true.
It is our responsibility to protect that child once that child’s born too. When we start debating a budget, let’s make sure we don’t cut 100,000 vaccines. Let’s make sure we’ve got health insurance. We seem to worship what we cannot see, but as soon as that baby’s born, oh no, we don’t want to be intrusive. Texas is going to shrink government until it fits inside a women’s uterus. Senator Leticia Van de Putte
#11. To: lucysmom (#10)
GE pays 0 tax and gets a retroactive refund for a previous overpayment that reduced its tax liability to 0 but US corporations are overtaxed.
America...My Kind Of Place...
"I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..."
--GW Bush
#12. To: war (#11)
GE pays 0 tax and gets a retroactive refund for a previous overpayment that reduced its tax liability to 0 but US corporations are overtaxed.
I suppose the government should be paying them.
It is our responsibility to protect that child once that child’s born too. When we start debating a budget, let’s make sure we don’t cut 100,000 vaccines. Let’s make sure we’ve got health insurance. We seem to worship what we cannot see, but as soon as that baby’s born, oh no, we don’t want to be intrusive. Texas is going to shrink government until it fits inside a women’s uterus. Senator Leticia Van de Putte
#13. To: lucysmom (#1)
The truth is American corporations have abandoned the American middle class.
they are acting to maximize profits and shareholder value - it's capitalism at work.
"Thats because your basically and idiot."
Badeye posted on 2011-04-29 10:30:22 ET
#14. To: go65 (#13)
...it's capitalism at work.
The past several decades indicate it ain't working for most Americans.
It is our responsibility to protect that child once that child’s born too. When we start debating a budget, let’s make sure we don’t cut 100,000 vaccines. Let’s make sure we’ve got health insurance. We seem to worship what we cannot see, but as soon as that baby’s born, oh no, we don’t want to be intrusive. Texas is going to shrink government until it fits inside a women’s uterus. Senator Leticia Van de Putte
#15. To: Skip Intro (#6)
Get your story straight, Stone.On the one hand you claim a corporation is a person with free speech rights to buy candidates and influence elections, but now you claim it isn't when it comes to paying taxes.
Even you should be able to spot the contradiction.
So you're saying corporations shouldn't be taxed?
#16. To: lucysmom (#14)
The past several decades indicate it ain't working for most Americans.
Then why with 1/4 or less the population of China is our economy bigger?
#17. To: A K A Stone (#16)
Then why with 1/4 or less the population of China is our economy bigger?
First, You're asking the wrong question.
Second, China's 5-year compound annual growth is 10.7%, while for the US it is 0.7% (Index of Economic Freedom).
It is our responsibility to protect that child once that child’s born too. When we start debating a budget, let’s make sure we don’t cut 100,000 vaccines. Let’s make sure we’ve got health insurance. We seem to worship what we cannot see, but as soon as that baby’s born, oh no, we don’t want to be intrusive. Texas is going to shrink government until it fits inside a women’s uterus. Senator Leticia Van de Putte
#18. To: A K A Stone (#15)
So you're saying corporations shouldn't be taxed?
That's what you said, Stone.
"But but a corporation isn't a person. How can you tax a non person? ? "
#19. To: lucysmom (#3)
Corporate taxes have been falling as a percent since the middle of the last century until they are now a small fraction of total tax collected.
rotflmao.
And you don't have a clue as to why, do you goofy?
lmao
Proxy IP's are amusing.....lmao
#20. To: Badeye, lucysmom (#19) (Edited)
And you don't have a clue as to why?
Tell us why Boofer.
I DARE you to.
Funny how Boof will give these one line answers that appear to almost imply something but are really just his way of weasling. Ask him to "educate" you and you'll get responses like "I'm not your file clerk" or "You don't know? Pity."
It's his way of immunizing his backward way of "thinking" from any type of scrutiny.
The fact is, LM, as we both know, the aggregate earnings AND profits of US based corporations, that is corporations that file a US tax return, have grown exponentially since WWII but the effective tax rate that they have been paying on those earnings and profits has fallen. Boofer will try to "imply" that it's because the US is somehow unfriendly to "Big Business" when, in fact, foreign companies have found the US very tax friendly compared to their "home" country. And, of course, US corporations have no greater friend than the US tax code.
A typical response of Boofer's to the above facts will be "Riiight".
Remarkable rebuttal, eh?
America...My Kind Of Place...
"I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..."
--GW Bush
#21. To: war (#20)
A typical response of Boofer's to the above facts will be "Riiight".Remarkable rebuttal, eh?
You have to admit that such a response makes it hard to prove him wrong so he can claim victory.
It is our responsibility to protect that child once that child’s born too. When we start debating a budget, let’s make sure we don’t cut 100,000 vaccines. Let’s make sure we’ve got health insurance. We seem to worship what we cannot see, but as soon as that baby’s born, oh no, we don’t want to be intrusive. Texas is going to shrink government until it fits inside a women’s uterus. Senator Leticia Van de Putte
#22. To: lucysmom (#21)
I have to admit you don't have a clue, and the dwarf's growing more desperate for attention.
How's that lurking at GBR going for ya?
(laughing)
Proxy IP's are amusing.....lmao
#23. To: Badeye (#22)
How's that lurking at GBR going for ya?
Could you be more specific
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It is our responsibility to protect that child once that child’s born too. When we start debating a budget, let’s make sure we don’t cut 100,000 vaccines. Let’s make sure we’ve got health insurance. We seem to worship what we cannot see, but as soon as that baby’s born, oh no, we don’t want to be intrusive. Texas is going to shrink government until it fits inside a women’s uterus. Senator Leticia Van de Putte
#24. To: Skip Intro (#18)
So what is your postilion on the two issues that we are discussing?
#25. To: A K A Stone (#24)
So what is your postilion on the two issues that we are discussing?
What positions, the ones where you say a corporation is a person for speech purposes but not one for tax purposes?
I say you're confused. Corporations are required to pay taxes, there's nothing new there. What is new is the SC declaring that corporations are also just like the little people and are free to spend millions of dollars buying influence from politicians. That doesn't bode well for representative government, since government will always go to the highest bidder, and that isn't going to be you or me.
#26. To: Skip Intro (#25)
For the third time. What is your position on the two issues?
Are you afraid to say. It looks that way.
#27. To: A K A Stone (#26)
For the third time. What is your position on the two issues?
Corporations pay taxes, like all business, except churches, do. Corporations are not people and should not have the same rights as people.
#28. To: Skip Intro (#27) (Edited)
Corporations pay taxes, like all business, except churches, do. Corporations are not people and should not have the same rights as people.
I think churches should pay taxes too. Those mega churches could balance plenty of budgets. It's not like they don't use the same services as the rest of us.
But as far as corps having individual rights maybe that's a good thing, then when their products or services kill people their CEOs and stockholders can be charged with murder. Enron and XE should be first on the list to create precedents.
#29. To: mininggold (#28)
I think churches should pay taxes too.
Of course they should.
#30. To: lucysmom (#23) (Edited)
That was directed at me. For some reason he believes that I can't lurk at GBR when I do whenever I want to lurk.
Here's Boofer whining today about Sarah Palin putting her foot in her mouth:
"No other VP candidate has EVER been subjected to these kinds of attacks, years AFTER running."
That said, you'll never get anything of substance out of Boofer.
America...My Kind Of Place...
"I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..."
--GW Bush
#31. To: war (#30)
"No other VP candidate has EVER been subjected to these kinds of attacks, years AFTER running."
We will have to see what happens after Sarah stops running.
It is our responsibility to protect that child once that child’s born too. When we start debating a budget, let’s make sure we don’t cut 100,000 vaccines. Let’s make sure we’ve got health insurance. We seem to worship what we cannot see, but as soon as that baby’s born, oh no, we don’t want to be intrusive. Texas is going to shrink government until it fits inside a women’s uterus. Senator Leticia Van de Putte
#32. To: lucysmom (#31)
Chuckle...
America...My Kind Of Place...
"I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..."
--GW Bush
#33. To: war (#30)
"No other VP candidate has EVER been subjected to these kinds of attacks, years AFTER running."
Well, it is kind of unfair since she's just been quietly sitting in a dark room in Alaska, knitting and minding her own business.
#34. To: Skip Intro (#33)
As opposed to all the other VP candidates that whored out their families for a reality TV gig.
#35. To: Bartcoprules (#34)
Which ones were those others? I must have missed it.
#36. To: Skip Intro (#33)
Yes...her booties alone take weeks...
America...My Kind Of Place...
"I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..."
--GW Bush
#37. To: Fred Mertz (#35)
Which ones were those others? I must have missed it.
Quayle tried to but that was before spell checkers that weren't 5th graders...
America...My Kind Of Place...
"I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..."
--GW Bush
#38. To: lucysmom (#23)
Could you be more specific
No need to.
Proxy IP's are amusing.....lmao
#39. To: Skip Intro (#27)
Corporations pay taxes, like all business
Wrong. Corporations act as a 'pass thru' for customers who pay the taxes in full, because the price for a product or service is in effect marked up by the corporation or business to cover the tax.
Only those that don't understand how this economy, and taxation, works, think 'corporations' and 'businesses' pay taxes, skippy. I'm not surprised you are one of them.
Proxy IP's are amusing.....lmao
#40. To: Badeye (#39)
Wrong. Corporations act as a 'pass thru' for customers who pay the taxes in full, because the price for a product or service is in effect marked up by the corporation or business to cover the tax.
Because business income taxes are a percentage of profits, what you have left over after expenses are subtracted, it would be difficult to predict with accuracy at the front end what your taxes will be in order to add them to the price of a product or service. Further, if you increase the cost of a product or service to include expected tax, you also increase your profit and thus your tax owed.
It is our responsibility to protect that child once that child’s born too. When we start debating a budget, let’s make sure we don’t cut 100,000 vaccines. Let’s make sure we’ve got health insurance. We seem to worship what we cannot see, but as soon as that baby’s born, oh no, we don’t want to be intrusive. Texas is going to shrink government until it fits inside a women’s uterus. Senator Leticia Van de Putte
#41. To: lucysmom (#40) (Edited)
Does this mean that GE is going to retroactively reduce prices because it overpaid its taxes in 2009?
It's an argument that doesn't hold water. While tax margins are built into pricing it's nowhere near a 1-1 relationship that would justify characterizing it as a "pass-thru".
America...My Kind Of Place...
"I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..."
--GW Bush
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