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Title: Budget Cuts Force Calif. Police And Firemen To Watch Man Drown
Source: RAWSTORY
URL Source: http://www.rawstory.com/rawreplay/2 ... -man-drown-due-to-budget-cuts/
Published: Jun 1, 2011
Author: Stephen C. Webster
Post Date: 2011-06-01 15:54:24 by Brian S
Keywords: None
Views: 154137
Comments: 179

Police and firemen in Alameda, California watched a man drown on Monday after realizing they did not have proper certifications for water rescue, leaving them open to possible lawsuits if they attempted to save him.

The drowning victim, 53-year-old Raymond Zack, was apparently suicidal, according to a report from the scene. He waded out about 150 yards into cold waters off Crown Beach in Alameda and took about an hour to drown himself.

A crowd of about 75 gathered to watch the bizarre scene, which saw police and firemen just standing at shoreline watching helplessly. After the man had drowned, authorities couldn’t even go into the surf to retrieve the body. They instead recruited a passer-by for the job.

City officials reportedly blamed the incident on budget cuts and said they would have a discussion about why Alameda, an island city, does not have proper authorization to rescue people from the waters surrounding it.

This video is from ABC 7 in San Francisco, Calif., broadcast May 30, 2011.

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#3. To: Brian S (#0) (Edited)

firemen

Here's the real headline: Government bureaucrats allow their customer to die.

Fire and rescue services can and should be privatized. There are many private rescue / ambulance services in the country and even some private fire services.

As a general rule, they do twice as good a job (using very measurable statistics) at half the cost of government services. In other words, they are 4 times better. Same with trash collection.

There is no reason whatsoever for the government to monopolize these things. Doing so puts us all at risk.

jwpegler  posted on  2011-06-01   16:43:07 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: jwpegler (#3)

Fire and rescue services can and should be privatized. There are many private rescue / ambulance services in the country and even some private fire services.

Right, and folks should have to pay if they want service. Remember that house that was allowed to burn down because the guy hadn't paid his dues? That's the kind of country we should strive to live in.

Collapse in the street, haven't paid your fire/rescue dues, tough luck. Just carry the leeches out to the trash.

Show up at an emergency room. Aren't insured? Too bad, go out on the street.

Elderly and can't afford you care? Life sucks, and it's time for you to die.

Have a child with severe birth defects that you can't afford to care for? Sucks to be you, put them out in the trash.

That, my friends is the conservative vision for america.

go65  posted on  2011-06-01   18:18:04 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: go65, capitalist eric (#10) (Edited)

yada, yada, yada....

What a rant.

Were huge numbers of old people dying in the streets before Medicare and Medicaid? No they weren't.

Were people's houses just allowed to burn down when virtually all fire departments were voluntary fire departments? No they weren't.

Your version of America is akin to an incompetent version of the SOVIET Union where...

15 government bureacrats get to make life and death decisions for all 310 million of us.

Government bureacrats get to keep lifelong jobs even though they are destroying our kid's futures in the government monopoly schools.

On and on...

No thanks.

In a free society, the overwhelming majority of people will take responsibility for themselves and their family members. Government has destroyed that. It has to be restored -- not by government force and not by government incentive programs. Rather by eliminating most of the government and allowing people to regain their sense of humanity.

jwpegler  posted on  2011-06-01   18:31:51 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: jwpegler (#11)

15 government bureacrats get to make life and death decisions for all 310 million of us.

right, we're all much better off when private companies make life and death decisions. We're all better off say when insurance companies get to rescind policies or deny coverage for those who become unprofitable.

go65  posted on  2011-06-01   22:32:40 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#55. To: go65 (#40) (Edited)

private companies make life and death decisions.

No. As a free person in a free market, you have a choice on which companies to deal with and what type of service you are willing to pay for. Companies will compete on cost, service, or both.

Government has ruined this truism in healthcare and education. The result? Escalating costs and plummeting services.

What gets blamed for government's disastrous policies? The "free market".

It's sick and wrong. Someone has to stand up for the truth.

jwpegler  posted on  2011-06-02   22:51:49 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#72. To: jwpegler (#55)

Government has ruined this truism in healthcare and education. The result?

So like with all "services" provided by the private economy those with more money should get better and more health care and education. And if you can't afford it you are sh** out of luck. Is that what you are sayin?

NewsJunky  posted on  2011-06-03   0:36:46 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#74. To: NewsJunky (#72) (Edited)

What you are saying is that we all get craped on, except for the politically connected organizations who get the Obama healthcare waivers.

I'll take CHOICE in the free market over unscrupulous politicians 100% of the time.

jwpegler  posted on  2011-06-03   0:41:21 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#78. To: jwpegler (#74)

The current private system has failed with 50 million uninsured. I guess you want to add to it by getting rid of the government's role.

NewsJunky  posted on  2011-06-03   0:58:35 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#79. To: NewsJunky (#78)

The current private system

There isn't any private system today.

Government accounts for about 50% of health care dollars spent today and regulates 100%. These are undeniable facts.

Government has f*cked the current system up and then blames the "free market". There is no free market in healthcare.

That's the problem.

jwpegler  posted on  2011-06-03   1:03:08 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#81. To: jwpegler (#79)

That's the problem.

I am sure it will be no problem covering those 50 million who are uninsured magically with the wave of a "free" market hand.

NewsJunky  posted on  2011-06-03   1:10:45 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#104. To: NewsJunky (#81) (Edited)

magically with the wave of a "free" market hand

There is no magic about it. The overwhelming majority of people do whatever is needed to take care of themselves and their families. It's human nature. It is what enabled us as a species to crawl out of the caves, invent tools, and move ahead with our cars, planes, televisions, computers, iPhones and more. That's the bottom line.

jwpegler  posted on  2011-06-03   10:59:33 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#113. To: jwpegler (#104)

There is no magic about it. The overwhelming majority of people do whatever is needed to take care of themselves and their families.

So you think a system where the poor and the retired have no health care is a better one?

NewsJunky  posted on  2011-06-03   20:57:54 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#119. To: NewsJunky (#113)

So you think a system where the poor and the retired have no health care is a better one?

So who's fault is that other than their own????

CZ82  posted on  2011-06-04   7:20:59 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#123. To: CZ82 (#119)

So who's fault is that other than their own????

Not everyone is going to get into or stay in the middle class o. There are innumerable factors many of which are beyond their control that could put them in that position. One possible scenario is that someone has a car accident that disables them temporarily (or permanantly) they lose their job and lose their coverage and then can no longer afford insurance.

In regards to the elderly most people live from pay check to pay check and couldn't possibly save enough money to pay for health insurance in their retirement years. Not that in a "free" market an insurance company would want to cover the elderly.

But if health care were like any other "service" it wouldn't matter if it were affordable or not. But unfortunately lacking it can mean life or death.

NewsJunky  posted on  2011-06-04   17:09:38 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#125. To: NewsJunky (#123)

In regards to the elderly most people live from pay check to pay check and couldn't possibly save enough money to pay for health insurance in their retirement years. Not that in a "free" market an insurance company would want to cover the elderly.

And so they don't have access to Medicare/Medicaid/Social Security????

CZ82  posted on  2011-06-04   19:11:31 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#136. To: CZ82 (#125)

And so they don't have access to Medicare/Medicaid/Social Security????

If you follow the thread you would see he was talking about getting the government out of health care.

NewsJunky  posted on  2011-06-05   0:35:09 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#142. To: NewsJunky (#136)

If you follow the thread you would see he was talking about getting the government out of health care.

The name of the thread----- "Budget Cuts Force Calif. Police And Firemen To Watch Man Drown"

CZ82  posted on  2011-06-05 08:24:40 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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