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Title: NY 26: Democrats should thank Paul Ryan
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URL Source: http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs ... /2011/05/24/AFkPkrAH_blog.html
Published: May 24, 2011
Author: EJ Dionne
Post Date: 2011-05-24 23:58:48 by go65
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Views: 37253
Comments: 67
There is no way for Republicans to spin away Democrat Kathy Hochul’s victory in New York’s deeply red 26th congressional district. This is a big setback for Paul Ryan’s budget and a warning for Republican incumbents everywhere. This is simply not a district a Republican should have lost. Conservative overreach has clearly woken up Democrats and has gone down badly with independents.
The GOP can’t claim that Republican Jane Corwin lost because of a vote split with Tea Party candidate Jack Davis. With 87 percent of the precincts in, Hochul had 48 percent to Corwin’s 42 percent. Davis got just 9 percent, and the Green Party candidate picked up 1 percent. Let’s assume Hochul drops a point when the missing precints, which are mostly from Republican areas, are in. Republicans can’t claim that all of the votes that went to Davis, a former Democrat, would have gone to Corwin.
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I live in this district and I could tell you that this article is complete BS. But you're a brain dead democrat zombie, so I might as well not waste my time.
The republican party is NY is a freaking joke, and all they wanted to do was find someone who could self-fund a campaign. They found that person in millionaire Corwin.
She clearly wasn't ready for prime time. She lost the election when her campaign manager tried to provoke Jack Davis into a fight, and it was caught on video. When the SHTF, she refused to fire him.
For her part, Hochul ran a good - albeit standard democrat BS campaign. You know, the usual "republicans are going to kill grandma" campaign. In this district with a high percentage of seniors, that resonated.
But Hochul is a very good public servant. Although I probably disagree with her politics on every issue, I've had personal dealings with the Erie County DMV (her responsibilty) and she really has turned that agency around.
So there are two reasons for the election result.
But be sure and watch MSNBC for your talking points. Moron.
#2. To: Get Outta Dodge! (#1)
Actually, some of the stories mirror what you said. That Corwin didn't believe early enough that people would take the Medicare situation seriously.
I also read that Hochul had a more personable style and wouldn't take it so personally if a non local does not pick up the nuances of things in that race you are able to see.
For example, I know first hand how stock raving insane Art Robinson who ran against Pete DeFazio is.
It was the strangest congressional race here I've seen. And I bet you would fine hard to believe some of the things I know about it.
#3. To: Ferret Mike, go65 (#2) (Edited)
Since I live here, it will be fun and instructive to watch how the national media will attempt to spin this. And people like go65 will completely buy into the spin. Hell, I won't be surprised if Obama comes in and takes credit.
The truth is simply that the republicans in general and Corwin in particular ran a terrible campaign. Sandy Beach (a local talk radio host and rabid republican) even came out and supported Hochul.
#4. To: Get Outta Dodge! (#3)
The truth is simply that the republicans in general and Corwin in particular ran a terrible campaign. Sandy Beach (a local talk radio host and rabid republican) even came out and supported Hochul.
Keep dreaming.
The crossover vote was almost all based upon Ryan's Medicare plan.
Again, you folks have totally misread the 2010 election.
America...My Kind Of Place...
"I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..."
--GW Bush
#5. To: war (#4)
The crossover vote was almost all based upon attack ads, killing grandma, and lies about Ryan's Medicare plan.
There, I fixed it.
Now go back and watch Ed Shultz.
#6. To: Get Outta Dodge! (#5)
My mother's meds alone last year were more than $8K. For anyone 45 and younger, what will the cost of their meds be in 2021?
It was a stupid move when you own only one room in a three room "house"...{for you morons who ***think*** I fucked up...the THIRD room is the White House.../dickheads]
America...My Kind Of Place...
"I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..."
--GW Bush
#7. To: war (#6)
My mother's meds alone last year were more than $8K. For anyone 45 and younger, what will the cost of their meds be in 2021?
No need to reform anything, right?
Let's just have the Feds print out a bunch more C notes with credit from the Chinese, and granny can get all the meds she wants.
That can go on forever, right?
Now, I know I’m not going to change the minds of any of the True Believers…those who read all of Reverend Al’s sermons, and say things like, “You know, global warming can mean warmer OR colder, wetter OR drier, cloudier OR sunnier, windier OR calmer, …â€. Can I get an ‘amen’??
#8. To: no gnu taxes (#7)
Medicare is paid through a dedicated tax.
America...My Kind Of Place...
"I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..."
--GW Bush
#9. To: war (#8)
Medicare is paid through a dedicated tax.
uh huh.
And Social Security is paid for by a dedicated trust fund.
Right?
Now, I know I’m not going to change the minds of any of the True Believers…those who read all of Reverend Al’s sermons, and say things like, “You know, global warming can mean warmer OR colder, wetter OR drier, cloudier OR sunnier, windier OR calmer, …â€. Can I get an ‘amen’??
#10. To: Get Outta Dodge! (#3)
You have a right to your opinion, as does anyone who takes stock in how the Ryan plan affected this race.
So I see no point in a fight. This sort of disagreement is no cause for rancor.
Maybe it played well in Dodge City in the 1880s, but this is a different time and place.
#11. To: no gnu taxes (#7)
Aren't you late for your KKK meeting?
#12. To: no gnu taxes (#9)
And Social Security is paid for by a dedicated...
Tax.
The "Trust Fund" is, in fact, the "overpayements" into the system that the government borrowed and collateralized with debt.
How much money did your hero borrow from SS?
America...My Kind Of Place...
"I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..."
--GW Bush
#13. To: Ferret Mike (#10) (Edited)
Hilarious how he characterized it when his hero, Sarah Palin, was lying her ass off about "Death Panels"...
America...My Kind Of Place...
"I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..."
--GW Bush
#14. To: Get Outta Dodge! (#1) (Edited)
I live in this district and I could tell you that this article is complete BS. But you're a brain dead democrat zombie, so I might as well not waste my time.The republican party is NY is a freaking joke, and all they wanted to do was find someone who could self-fund a campaign. They found that person in millionaire Corwin.
She clearly wasn't ready for prime time. She lost the election when her campaign manager tried to provoke Jack Davis into a fight, and it was caught on video. When the SHTF, she refused to fire him.
these are the same arguments the Democrats made after Scott Brown won in Boston, arguing that their own candidate was incompetent. The reality is that the Ryan Medicare plan is now dead.
"Thats because your basically and idiot."
Badeye posted on 2011-04-29 10:30:22 ET
#15. To: Get Outta Dodge! (#5)
There, I fixed it.Now go back and watch Ed Shultz.
If you think the Republican plan to send people in their 80's and 90's on a hunt for private medical insurance is a winning campaign strategy, well then all I can say is "good luck with that one."
"Thats because your basically and idiot."
Badeye posted on 2011-04-29 10:30:22 ET
#16. To: go65 (#14)
Let them stay in denial.
Dems will regain the House and the GOP will resume its death spiral.
People want MORE government not less.
I can't wait to see how Boofer spins this.
I guess that you can tho...
[snicker]
America...My Kind Of Place...
"I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..."
--GW Bush
#17. To: Ferret Mike (#11)
Aren't you late for your KKK meeting?
I doubt it since they meet at his double-wide.
#18. To: war (#16)
Dems will regain the House and the GOP will resume its death spiral.
there are a lot of nervous Republicans in swing districts this morning.
"Thats because your basically and idiot."
Badeye posted on 2011-04-29 10:30:22 ET
#19. To: go65 (#18) (Edited)
there are a lot of nervous Republicans in swing districts this morning.
ROFLMAO...
GREAT job of irony...I can hear the whiney downward deflection...like a balloon being pinched off...
I'd have wriiten it "theres alot of nervous Republicans in swing district's this morning" tho...
America...My Kind Of Place...
"I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..."
--GW Bush
#20. To: go65 (#14)
The reality is that the Ryan Medicare plan is now dead.
Okay, fine.
And the Obama plan is . . . . ?
#21. To: go65 (#15) (Edited)
f you think the Republican plan to send people in their 80's and 90's on a hunt for private medical insurance is a winning campaign strategy, well then all I can say is "good luck with that one."
Your idiotic, lying statement illustrates why self-government ultimately does not work.
No one is campaigning on taking 80 and 90 year olds off medicare, but your party of corrupt liars like Pelosi, Reid and Obama SAY the other party is, and stupid welfare queens and corrupt union hacks beleive it.
And the other party, which seems happy to play second fiddle and get the crumbs the dems leave behind, is too incompetent - or not interested - in correcting the perception.
Enjoy the ride as the USA goes into bankruptcy and ultimately oblivion.
#22. To: Get Outta Dodge! (#1)
I live in this district and I could tell you that this article is complete BS.
Yes it is...but its designed to distract from the ugly reality Democrats face next year.
A failed one term President.
They can't run on anything of substance. Economy? Not hardly. Deficit reduction as Owe-bama promised? That would be laugh out loud funny if not for the fact he appears either oblivious to the danger, or alternatively, seems determined to destroy the country via bankruptcy.
Funny how they don't want to talk about that race in Wisconsin, isn't it?
Proxy IP's are amusing.....lmao
#23. To: Get Outta Dodge! (#20)
The reality is that the Ryan Medicare plan is now dead.
Another bit of fantasyland thinking from DNC talking point memo's.
Proxy IP's are amusing.....lmao
#24. To: go65 (#18)
Dems will regain the House and the GOP will resume its death spiral.
rotflmao.
A great example of what I noted just yesterday here.
You two have the combined political IQ of a flea.
Proxy IP's are amusing.....lmao
#25. To: Badeye (#24)
I live in this district and I could tell you that this article is complete BS.Yes it is...but its designed to distract from the ugly reality Democrats face next year.
A failed one term President.
There is a lesson to be learned here (but you won't hear it on the media):
Obama can win next year, IF:
1. Republicans run a moderate or a liberal, and not a principled conservative
2. Republicans fail to challenge democrat lies - like they want to shove granny off the cliff
The best thing - perhaps the only thing - Obama has going for him is that he will be running against a republican.
So don't count him out.
#26. To: Badeye, go65 (#24)
You two have the combined political IQ of a flea.
Here's some of your predictions, Boofer:
Bush will beat Gore by 9% and by well over 100 in the EC.
Bush will defeat Kerry in a landslide.
The Dems will not take one chamber let alone two in 2006.
Ken Blackwell be the next governor of Ohio [2006].
McCain will never be the nominee in 2008. If you want to know why, look at South Carolina in 2000.
Hillary won't seek the nomination [2008].
Gingrich will be the GOP nominee in 2008.
Romney will be the GOP nominee in 2008.
McCain did worse in New Hampshire in 2008 than he did in 2000. He'll lose to Romney.
The GOP will take 90 seats in the House and will have a majority in the Senate [2010].
America...My Kind Of Place...
"I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..."
--GW Bush
#27. To: Get Outta Dodge! (#25)
So don't count him out.
I think #2 is the biggest potential failure next year. Thats basically what that idiot McCain did.
But the end game remains the same, its about the economy.
If unemployment is 8% or greater, Owe-bama most certainly gets fired.
If its not, he has a chance, but a slim one, of being rehired.
Thats how I see it.
Proxy IP's are amusing.....lmao
#28. To: war (#26)
Here's some of your predictions, Boofer:Bush will beat Gore by 9% and by well over 100 in the EC.
Bush will defeat Kerry in a landslide.
The Dems will not take one chamber let alone two in 2006.
Ken Blackwell be the next governor of Ohio [2006].
McCain will never be the nominee in 2008. If you want to know why, look at South Carolina in 2000.
Hillary won't seek the nomination [2008].
Gingrich will be the GOP nominee in 2008.
Romney will be the GOP nominee in 2008.
McCain did worse in New Hampshire in 2008 than he did in 2000. He'll lose to Romney.
The GOP will take 90 seats in the House and will have a majority in the Senate [2010].
Chuckle.
And unemployment would go over 10% after the November election!
"Thats because your basically and idiot."
Badeye posted on 2011-04-29 10:30:22 ET
#29. To: Get Outta Dodge! (#25)
Obama can win next year, IF: 1. Republicans run a moderate or a liberal, and not a principled conservative 2. Republicans fail to challenge democrat lies - like they want to shove granny off the cliff
3. Republicans run a nutjob like Palin or Bachmann
"Thats because your basically and idiot."
Badeye posted on 2011-04-29 10:30:22 ET
#30. To: Get Outta Dodge! (#20)
And the Obama plan is . . . . ?
It was enacted last year, and according to the CBO, it reduces medicare spending.
"Thats because your basically and idiot."
Badeye posted on 2011-04-29 10:30:22 ET
#31. To: Get Outta Dodge! (#21) (Edited)
No one is campaigning on taking 80 and 90 year olds off medicare
Did you not read the plan? Anyone age 55 or younger would get a voucher to buy private insurance once they qualify for medicare. Meaning that folks currently under 55 will, in their 80's and 90's, be shopping around for non- existent insurance.
"Thats because your basically and idiot."
Badeye posted on 2011-04-29 10:30:22 ET
#32. To: go65 (#31)
Meaning that folks currently under 55 will, in their 80's and 90's, be shopping around for non- existent insurance.
Well, let's be fair here. Some of them might be able to find insurance, provided they're prepared to pay $5,000+ per month for it.
#33. To: go65 (#29)
3. Republicans run a nutjob like Palin or Bachmann
You know what? I actually agree with that.
Republicans ran a "nutjob" in '64. He didn't win, either. And look how well THAT turned out.
#34. To: go65 (#30)
And the Obama plan is . . . . ? It was enacted last year, and according to the CBO, it reduces medicare spending.
Ugly. That’s the best spin one can put on the just-released Congressional Budget Office analysis of President Obama’s budget. Deficits are above 4.1 percent of Gross Domestic Product (GDP) for the next ten years and rising at the end of the budget window. Debt in the hands of the public doubles and the debt-to-GDP ratio rises above 87 percent. Net interest is almost 20 percent of revenues — even with big tax increases — in 2020. The result: downgrade as a sovereign borrower in 2018. That’s ugly.
#35. To: go65 (#31)
Meaning that folks currently under 55 will, in their 80's and 90's, be shopping around for non- existent insurance.
Rhetorical question:
Is anyone in the socialist utopia you envision ever responsible for themselves?
#36. To: Skip Intro (#32)
Some of them might be able to find insurance, provided they're prepared to pay $5,000+ per month for it.
After your demigod Obama saddles us with hyper-inflation, 5,000 per month may not be a bad deal.
I can see the ads now:
"Now YOU can get a month's worth of health insurance for just the price of a cup of coffee . . ."
#37. To: Get Outta Dodge! (#36)
After your demigod Obama
Why do you idiots say moronic things like this? Are you paying for your own insurance? Do you have a clue what it costs an individual to buy their own?
#38. To: Get Outta Dodge! (#35)
Is anyone in the socialist utopia you envision ever responsible for themselves?
At least Republicans are finally coming clean on their belief that those who can't afford their medical care should be left to die.
I'd still like to see a major GOP figure, like say Paul Ryan, categorically state that "so be it" if seniors, children, or anyone else dies because they can't afford medical care.
As I've long stated, the GOP is only pro-life up to the point of birth.
"Thats because your basically and idiot."
Badeye posted on 2011-04-29 10:30:22 ET
#39. To: Skip Intro (#32)
Well, let's be fair here. Some of them might be able to find insurance, provided they're prepared to pay $5,000+ per month for it.
Nope. I've got a relative who is 90, with leukemia, her treatments are costing $6k a month, medicare covers $3k. And her other medical needs would easily run her over $5k a month.
There's no way she could ever buy insurance.
Bottom line to folks like Dodge, let them die.
"Thats because your basically and idiot."
Badeye posted on 2011-04-29 10:30:22 ET
#40. To: go65 (#39)
Medicare just kicked my mom out of the hospital two days after she had a major stroke.
America...My Kind Of Place...
"I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..."
--GW Bush
#41. To: go65 (#28) (Edited)
Chuckle.And unemployment would go over 10% after the November election!
HEADLINE number don't forget...he's trying to weasle by citing the other series...
But, as usual...
Oh, Irony, thy name is Boofer...
America...My Kind Of Place...
"I truly am not that concerned about [bin Laden]..."
--GW Bush
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